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Question for Joe De Livera-please help I am desperate for hair to stop falling!
I have read many posts on hair fall on here (for symptoms please refer to my 6/9/05 post), and I see you recommend arnica 30 a lot...can you give me complete instructions on taking this....I see you say 2 balls and 3 before bed time...how long should I take it for...1 week, 2 weeks, 1 month, etc and should it be taken everyday? currently my homeopathic nurse has me taking sepia 30c 3 times a day, 3 pellets and sepia 1m 5 pellets at night for 5 days only...she also has me on a lot of other things (see 6/9/05 posting)....can sepia help? she went based on all my symptoms and how I presented...I am hopeful this will work, but if not I want to be ready with plan 2...I am desperate!heather30_72 on 2005-06-09
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Somebody please respond to my post...I am so upset and I don't know what to do and if the hair loss will stop!
heather30_72 last decade
My apologies for not having replied your query which I did not see till a friend alerted me.
I have treated loss of hair with Arnica 30c and you can use the following method which I now use and recommend:
Get a 500ml bottle of spring water
Pour out 100ml from the bottle.
Put in 3 pellets or 1 drop of the remedy into the bottle.
Bang the bottle hard on a cushion and watch for the water to fizzle like it does when you open a bottle of soda. This is called succussing and it must be done 4 times before every dose. This raises the potency of the remedy slightly.
Sip 1 teaspoonful of the potentized water from the bottle twice daily.
Store the bottle in the fridge and ensure that it is succussed before every dose.
Please note that you only potentize the water once. You do not have to use the Arnica pellets in the water for every dose.
Stop all other remedies you are taking if you decide to use the Arnica.
I have treated loss of hair with Arnica 30c and you can use the following method which I now use and recommend:
Get a 500ml bottle of spring water
Pour out 100ml from the bottle.
Put in 3 pellets or 1 drop of the remedy into the bottle.
Bang the bottle hard on a cushion and watch for the water to fizzle like it does when you open a bottle of soda. This is called succussing and it must be done 4 times before every dose. This raises the potency of the remedy slightly.
Sip 1 teaspoonful of the potentized water from the bottle twice daily.
Store the bottle in the fridge and ensure that it is succussed before every dose.
Please note that you only potentize the water once. You do not have to use the Arnica pellets in the water for every dose.
Stop all other remedies you are taking if you decide to use the Arnica.
♡ Joe De Livera last decade
Thanks Joe...we actually were able to talk through another post...but I appreciate you taking the time to respond
I think you said it was okay to continue with supplements and armour(prescription for thyroid) while beginning the arnica...just want to double check on that
I think you said it was okay to continue with supplements and armour(prescription for thyroid) while beginning the arnica...just want to double check on that
heather30_72 last decade
Joe...the woman I am working with wants me to take lycopodium 30c 3-4 times a day for a week for anxiety around hair loss as well as arnica 30c 3-4 times a day...is this an okay combination?
heather30_72 last decade
I would prefer that you only use the Arnica 30c in the wet dose as specified above.
It is possible that the interaction of the 2 remedies may be counterproductive and
we would not wish to aggravate your problem unnecessarily.
It is possible that the interaction of the 2 remedies may be counterproductive and
we would not wish to aggravate your problem unnecessarily.
♡ Joe De Livera last decade
Thanks for getting back to me so quickly Joe
I will do that..and I checked with her and she doesn't want me to use them both at the same time...I misunderstood..she only wants me to use the lycopodium if the arnica does not work
I will do that..and I checked with her and she doesn't want me to use them both at the same time...I misunderstood..she only wants me to use the lycopodium if the arnica does not work
heather30_72 last decade
Please visit :
http://www.abchomeopathy.com/forum2.php/31388/
This is another hair loss cure and if you do not react with stopping your hair loss you can use the other remedy that I have indicated.
I would not advise you to use Lycopodium as I have no experience in its use for your problem.
http://www.abchomeopathy.com/forum2.php/31388/
This is another hair loss cure and if you do not react with stopping your hair loss you can use the other remedy that I have indicated.
I would not advise you to use Lycopodium as I have no experience in its use for your problem.
♡ Joe De Livera last decade
thank you Joe...I will refer to that as well...I am doing a cleanse and when I finish the cleanse this week...I will then start the arnica
heather30_72 last decade
I tried the arnica and unfortunately it did not work...I had to take the pellet from because I was not able to do the liqud do to being out of the house most of the day and not being near a refrigerator to store it....I have been dx with adrenal fatige and I am on a host of things now....including a tincture made up of 4 remedies, a cleanse with liver support, an elixer, and advacortin....
Thanks for your help Joe and if you have any more suggestions please let me know as I so want my hair to stop falling out
Thanks for your help Joe and if you have any more suggestions please let me know as I so want my hair to stop falling out
heather30_72 last decade
Dear Heather,
Please remember that the treatment and cure of Hair Loss is not a quick fix type of remedy. It usually takes months, many months in fact.
I note that you have been diagnosed with Adrenal fatigue and that you take many drugs for your problem. I'm afraid that your hair loss is due to these drugs which are obviously reacting with your hair follicles and you are losing your hair.
I would not like to take the responsibility of requesting you to stop these remedies but this just depends on the severity of your ailment and I do wish that you can give me more specific details about your condition. If you prefer you may do so by email to:
joe at titusstores.com
It is just possible that I may be able to suggest a remedy for your ailments which I believe are now chronic as I notice that you have mentioned them in previous posts.
Joe
Please remember that the treatment and cure of Hair Loss is not a quick fix type of remedy. It usually takes months, many months in fact.
I note that you have been diagnosed with Adrenal fatigue and that you take many drugs for your problem. I'm afraid that your hair loss is due to these drugs which are obviously reacting with your hair follicles and you are losing your hair.
I would not like to take the responsibility of requesting you to stop these remedies but this just depends on the severity of your ailment and I do wish that you can give me more specific details about your condition. If you prefer you may do so by email to:
joe at titusstores.com
It is just possible that I may be able to suggest a remedy for your ailments which I believe are now chronic as I notice that you have mentioned them in previous posts.
Joe
♡ Joe De Livera last decade
I will e-mail you over the weekend when I am home and in front of all my remedies...so you think that the hair loss may be continuing because of all the things she has me on? She said the adrenal's need to be restored and then after a few months I will be maintained on the elixer and advacortin
heather30_72 last decade
Hi,
I bought arnica 6c for my hair today. I dissolved 3 in the water but when I banged it several times, it never fizzled. Will it still work?
I bought arnica 6c for my hair today. I dissolved 3 in the water but when I banged it several times, it never fizzled. Will it still work?
lfemine last decade
I noticed that you have not posted before on your problem. However you may follow the directions that I have indicated in previous posts to Heather
I believe that you did not pour out about 100ml (2 inches) of water to enable the water to fizzle when you banged it. Please not that you must bang it to have the maximum effect.
Remember that hair takes about 2 months for the new growth to be visible and you must be patient and take the remedy dose 1 teaspoonful twice daily for some time in the future.
I believe that you did not pour out about 100ml (2 inches) of water to enable the water to fizzle when you banged it. Please not that you must bang it to have the maximum effect.
Remember that hair takes about 2 months for the new growth to be visible and you must be patient and take the remedy dose 1 teaspoonful twice daily for some time in the future.
♡ Joe De Livera last decade
Yes, I'm new to this site. Thanks for your help. I did put it in about 2 inches of water - maybe it bit more. I wasn't sure what 100m is. I use water from my ionizer - it purifies and makes the water more alkaline. I'll try it again.
To help out here, I noticed about 2 years ago, I had good results taking powdered MSM for my hair, much of it grew back. So I'm taking that again now.
To help out here, I noticed about 2 years ago, I had good results taking powdered MSM for my hair, much of it grew back. So I'm taking that again now.
lfemine last decade
Joe I sent my list of things the Dr is having me take to your titus world address..please let me know if you received it..if not I can post here as well
thanks
heather
thanks
heather
heather30_72 last decade
Please post the treatment and the remedies that your doctor has prescribed for you to be used for your hair loss.
♡ Joe De Livera last decade
Here is all the stuff she has me taking:(for thyroid and adrenal) nothing is for hair loss but the hope is that things will be corrected so the hair loss will stop
-Lumerian Elixer(10 drops under tongue first thing in morning)
-adacortin 3x a day(with meals)
-panthethine 2x a day( with meals)
-maca 1tsp in the am(I mix this in with my vitamins shake)
I am supposed to start taking royal jelly once a day
-ultraclear (multivitamin with protein and liver support)1-2 scoops in morning
-advaclear caps(cleanse) I am supposed to take 2capsules 2x a day
-the herbal tincture consists of the following( I take this 2x daily:
alnus glutunas 75 drops
ribes nigrum 75 drops
licorice 15 drops
eleuthro 40 drops
I mix these together and take 2x daily
In addition to this I take cod liver oil and pro efa along with healthy start
123 probiotics( I mix this with my protein/vitamin shake in the morning
She wanted me to start taking DHEA and pregnangole but i said no...I just
stopped taking birth control and I want to wait and see what my hormone levels
adjust to after being off that for a month or two...then I will discuss
hormones, but I will not go on them until I know my true hormone readings being
off the pill
Please let me know what you think of this mixture...she came highly
recommended...but it is very costly and not sure if I need all of it...she told
me that most of it I will be weaned off of in about 6 months and then I can be
maintened on the elixer and adacortin
Heather
-Lumerian Elixer(10 drops under tongue first thing in morning)
-adacortin 3x a day(with meals)
-panthethine 2x a day( with meals)
-maca 1tsp in the am(I mix this in with my vitamins shake)
I am supposed to start taking royal jelly once a day
-ultraclear (multivitamin with protein and liver support)1-2 scoops in morning
-advaclear caps(cleanse) I am supposed to take 2capsules 2x a day
-the herbal tincture consists of the following( I take this 2x daily:
alnus glutunas 75 drops
ribes nigrum 75 drops
licorice 15 drops
eleuthro 40 drops
I mix these together and take 2x daily
In addition to this I take cod liver oil and pro efa along with healthy start
123 probiotics( I mix this with my protein/vitamin shake in the morning
She wanted me to start taking DHEA and pregnangole but i said no...I just
stopped taking birth control and I want to wait and see what my hormone levels
adjust to after being off that for a month or two...then I will discuss
hormones, but I will not go on them until I know my true hormone readings being
off the pill
Please let me know what you think of this mixture...she came highly
recommended...but it is very costly and not sure if I need all of it...she told
me that most of it I will be weaned off of in about 6 months and then I can be
maintened on the elixer and adacortin
Heather
heather30_72 last decade
Dear Heather,
I can see that your 'doctor' seems to have taken you for a vast ride by prescribing all the drugs and Homeopathic remedies that you have listed. I shall be interested to learn what her qualifications are and what your symptoms were when you first consulted her ? I cannot believe that you were given this cocktail of drugs purely to help your hair loss.
I believe that you are wasting a lot of money on all these drugs and elixirs and what is more, they can be potentially dangerous to your body. You have referred to Adacortin and Panthethine which to me sound ominous as Adacotrin can be a steroid. You have indicated in your previous posts that you were 'cleansing' your system. It would be interesting to know what exactly you were instructed to 'cleanse'.
In your own interest I would urge you to consult an Endocrinologist, if as you state you are suffering from both Thyroid and Adrenal problems. I would suggest you consult a reputed specialist in the main hospital in your city and get an opinion from him as to what exactly your problem is.
In the meanwhile I would urge you to STOP ALL DRUGS that you are now taking.
I shall be glad to help you in any way I can but I must know what exactly your problems are before doing so.
Sincerely
Joe De Livera
I can see that your 'doctor' seems to have taken you for a vast ride by prescribing all the drugs and Homeopathic remedies that you have listed. I shall be interested to learn what her qualifications are and what your symptoms were when you first consulted her ? I cannot believe that you were given this cocktail of drugs purely to help your hair loss.
I believe that you are wasting a lot of money on all these drugs and elixirs and what is more, they can be potentially dangerous to your body. You have referred to Adacortin and Panthethine which to me sound ominous as Adacotrin can be a steroid. You have indicated in your previous posts that you were 'cleansing' your system. It would be interesting to know what exactly you were instructed to 'cleanse'.
In your own interest I would urge you to consult an Endocrinologist, if as you state you are suffering from both Thyroid and Adrenal problems. I would suggest you consult a reputed specialist in the main hospital in your city and get an opinion from him as to what exactly your problem is.
In the meanwhile I would urge you to STOP ALL DRUGS that you are now taking.
I shall be glad to help you in any way I can but I must know what exactly your problems are before doing so.
Sincerely
Joe De Livera
♡ Joe De Livera last decade
Thanks for your assistance....I present like a classic case of adrenal fatigue....thyroid problems, hair loss, fatigue, bloating in the abdomen area...she also did a lot of blood work and my hormones are all out of wack as are my alkaline phosphate count.....she is actually not treating my hair loss...she is treating my adrenal fatigue.....as for an endocrinologist...the reason I turned to homeopathy is that regular western medical doctors were not listening to me when I was telling them something was wrong....I was on snythroid for the thyroid when I was with them and things were not right and then I started to lose my hair...they told me it is genetic hair loss and to deal with it! (nobody in my family has hair loss and my hair falls out but I have new re-growth so it can't be genetic)...I have an appt with an endo that came recommended but I can't get into see her until Nov 9....I made the appt but will have to wait...I also consulted a dermatologist and she did some bloodwork and I go back to see her on Monday...
As for adacortin...I thought that was cow adrenals and was important for restoring adrenal glands....that is what my research has shown me
My Dr is a medical Dr that has had specific training in homeopathy and other alternative meds
Why do you say adacortin is a steroid?
panthenine is a B vitamin from what I have researched B vitamins are very important in restoring the adrenals
I also have epstein barr
As for adacortin...I thought that was cow adrenals and was important for restoring adrenal glands....that is what my research has shown me
My Dr is a medical Dr that has had specific training in homeopathy and other alternative meds
Why do you say adacortin is a steroid?
panthenine is a B vitamin from what I have researched B vitamins are very important in restoring the adrenals
I also have epstein barr
heather30_72 last decade
I really do not know how to help you, as quite frankly I am not able to suggest any Homeopathic remedy/s to overcome your Endocrinological problems.
I would suggest that you get a second opinion from a doctor preferably in a hospital in your city and get his/her confirmation that you are suffering from these many problems that you have indicated. You cannot wait for 3 months to see the Endocrinologist and I feel that the hospital in your city must surely have one who can see you immediately.
The main point that you must clear ASAP is that you do have some specific problem for which you must seek treatment. It just would not do to be in the hands of just one person who to me seems to be more intent on milking you for whatever she can get out of you. It is possible that she realized that you are a push over for her exotic prescriptions of drugs and other remedies.
I am not qualified in both Homeopathy and in Medicine but I do have about 20 years experience in Homeopathy while I also have a more than average knowledge in Medicine and to me your problems just do not 'click'. It is a pity that you cannot meet me as I live in Sri Lanka where I practice Homeopathy free of charge to all who contact me.
You are welcome to contact me on this forum or by email if you feel that you want any advice. My advice to you right now is to stop all the medication that you are taking for a week and report how you respond without all the drugs etc you have been taking for some time.
I hope that you will be successful in consulting an Endocrinologist soon to get an unbiased opinion of your ailments and if after you meet him you may like to contact me again.
I would suggest that you get a second opinion from a doctor preferably in a hospital in your city and get his/her confirmation that you are suffering from these many problems that you have indicated. You cannot wait for 3 months to see the Endocrinologist and I feel that the hospital in your city must surely have one who can see you immediately.
The main point that you must clear ASAP is that you do have some specific problem for which you must seek treatment. It just would not do to be in the hands of just one person who to me seems to be more intent on milking you for whatever she can get out of you. It is possible that she realized that you are a push over for her exotic prescriptions of drugs and other remedies.
I am not qualified in both Homeopathy and in Medicine but I do have about 20 years experience in Homeopathy while I also have a more than average knowledge in Medicine and to me your problems just do not 'click'. It is a pity that you cannot meet me as I live in Sri Lanka where I practice Homeopathy free of charge to all who contact me.
You are welcome to contact me on this forum or by email if you feel that you want any advice. My advice to you right now is to stop all the medication that you are taking for a week and report how you respond without all the drugs etc you have been taking for some time.
I hope that you will be successful in consulting an Endocrinologist soon to get an unbiased opinion of your ailments and if after you meet him you may like to contact me again.
♡ Joe De Livera last decade
I really do not know how to help you, as quite frankly I am not able to suggest any Homeopathic remedy/s to overcome your Endocrinological problems.
I would suggest that you get a second opinion from a doctor preferably in a hospital in your city and get his/her confirmation that you are suffering from these many problems that you have indicated. You cannot wait for 3 months to see the Endocrinologist and I feel that the hospital in your city must surely have one who can see you immediately.
The main point that you must clear ASAP is that you do have some specific problem for which you must seek treatment. It just would not do to be in the hands of just one person who to me seems to be more intent on milking you for whatever she can get out of you. It is possible that she realized that you are a push over for her exotic prescriptions of drugs and other remedies.
I am not qualified in both Homeopathy and in Medicine but I do have about 20 years experience in Homeopathy while I also have a more than average knowledge in Medicine and to me your problems just do not 'click'. It is a pity that you cannot meet me as I live in Sri Lanka where I practice Homeopathy free of charge to all who contact me.
You are welcome to contact me on this forum or by email if you feel that you want any advice. My advice to you right now is to stop all the medication that you are taking for a week and report how you respond without all the drugs etc you have been taking for some time.
I hope that you will be successful in consulting an Endocrinologist soon to get an unbiased opinion of your ailments and if after you meet him you may like to contact me again.
I would suggest that you get a second opinion from a doctor preferably in a hospital in your city and get his/her confirmation that you are suffering from these many problems that you have indicated. You cannot wait for 3 months to see the Endocrinologist and I feel that the hospital in your city must surely have one who can see you immediately.
The main point that you must clear ASAP is that you do have some specific problem for which you must seek treatment. It just would not do to be in the hands of just one person who to me seems to be more intent on milking you for whatever she can get out of you. It is possible that she realized that you are a push over for her exotic prescriptions of drugs and other remedies.
I am not qualified in both Homeopathy and in Medicine but I do have about 20 years experience in Homeopathy while I also have a more than average knowledge in Medicine and to me your problems just do not 'click'. It is a pity that you cannot meet me as I live in Sri Lanka where I practice Homeopathy free of charge to all who contact me.
You are welcome to contact me on this forum or by email if you feel that you want any advice. My advice to you right now is to stop all the medication that you are taking for a week and report how you respond without all the drugs etc you have been taking for some time.
I hope that you will be successful in consulting an Endocrinologist soon to get an unbiased opinion of your ailments and if after you meet him you may like to contact me again.
♡ Joe De Livera last decade
I appreciate your time....unfortunately to get into a good endocrinologist around her there is a 3 month to 1 year wait...even at the hospitals..if I went to the ER, I would not be covered by my insurance as this is not life threatening... I have been to two endos that were not good...
I stopped the medications as you alerted me to....I am now only taking the armour for my thyroid and vitamins, cod liver oil, pro efa, and probiotics....I am no longer taking any herbs or cleanses
I will no longer consult with this Dr.....She ordered bloodwork for me so I will get that done, go one last time to get the bloodwork so I can have it to take to a new Dr....
One thing really concerned me...you said adacortin is a steroid...where is that indicated? I can't find anything on the internet about adacortin at all...I thought it was just cow adrenals?
I stopped the medications as you alerted me to....I am now only taking the armour for my thyroid and vitamins, cod liver oil, pro efa, and probiotics....I am no longer taking any herbs or cleanses
I will no longer consult with this Dr.....She ordered bloodwork for me so I will get that done, go one last time to get the bloodwork so I can have it to take to a new Dr....
One thing really concerned me...you said adacortin is a steroid...where is that indicated? I can't find anything on the internet about adacortin at all...I thought it was just cow adrenals?
heather30_72 last decade
Glad that I was able to persuade you to drop your advisor with her drugs and other remedies. It is very likely that you will feel much better without the daily routine of drugs which I believe were poisoning your system.
I note your problem to consult an Endocrinologist of repute. If you have your laboratory reports for your thyroid malfunction and can copy it to me, I may be able to check it out for you with the help of an Endo here. I would also like to know in detail the progress of the disease and what exactly you suspect that you had a thyroid problem and what medication you are now taking.
I presumed that the Adacortin was a steroid as I saw the spelling "cortin". If you would like to know what it exactly is, you can check it by referring to the medical literature which is always enclosed with the pills when you purchased them. How do you know that it is made of cow adrenals and for what do you take it ?
I would prefer that you stop the Vitamins, pro efa (whatever that is) and the Probiotics which are not required to be taken daily. The Cod liver oil is OK and FYI this is the only capsule that I take daily with my Arnica 6c for many years
Do eat a normal healthy diet and exercise daily for about half hour. This can be a brisk walk or a worout in the gym. Also drink plenty of water either spring water or direct from the tap preferably boiled and cooled.
Please see my post today on my latest discovery for hair growth on this forum. I have seen it work here in a few cases and thought that I should share this information with others. It may help you.
I note your problem to consult an Endocrinologist of repute. If you have your laboratory reports for your thyroid malfunction and can copy it to me, I may be able to check it out for you with the help of an Endo here. I would also like to know in detail the progress of the disease and what exactly you suspect that you had a thyroid problem and what medication you are now taking.
I presumed that the Adacortin was a steroid as I saw the spelling "cortin". If you would like to know what it exactly is, you can check it by referring to the medical literature which is always enclosed with the pills when you purchased them. How do you know that it is made of cow adrenals and for what do you take it ?
I would prefer that you stop the Vitamins, pro efa (whatever that is) and the Probiotics which are not required to be taken daily. The Cod liver oil is OK and FYI this is the only capsule that I take daily with my Arnica 6c for many years
Do eat a normal healthy diet and exercise daily for about half hour. This can be a brisk walk or a worout in the gym. Also drink plenty of water either spring water or direct from the tap preferably boiled and cooled.
Please see my post today on my latest discovery for hair growth on this forum. I have seen it work here in a few cases and thought that I should share this information with others. It may help you.
♡ Joe De Livera last decade
Which post is the latest hair growth information on....
The adacortin is not a prescription medicine it was a homepathic medicine and came with no insert....it is made from bovine(says so on the bottle)....it was also comprised of B vitamins....
I was diagnosed with hypothyroid 3 years ago when my TSH was 14(3x what it should be)...I was taking synthroid until april of this year when my hair began to fall out...I believed synthroid to be the cause so I stopped and had to switch Dr's to be placed an armour which is not synthetic, but rather a natrual form of thyroid medication...I am doing well on that but the hair still falls...I will see how I do without all that stuff....my thryoid is regulated now, with the excpetion of my T3 being low(20) where it should be 23 and up....my tsh is .975....and my t4 was normal but I don't recall exact numbers
thanks again
The adacortin is not a prescription medicine it was a homepathic medicine and came with no insert....it is made from bovine(says so on the bottle)....it was also comprised of B vitamins....
I was diagnosed with hypothyroid 3 years ago when my TSH was 14(3x what it should be)...I was taking synthroid until april of this year when my hair began to fall out...I believed synthroid to be the cause so I stopped and had to switch Dr's to be placed an armour which is not synthetic, but rather a natrual form of thyroid medication...I am doing well on that but the hair still falls...I will see how I do without all that stuff....my thryoid is regulated now, with the excpetion of my T3 being low(20) where it should be 23 and up....my tsh is .975....and my t4 was normal but I don't recall exact numbers
thanks again
heather30_72 last decade
Which post is the latest hair growth information on....
The adacortin is not a prescription medicine it was a homepathic medicine and came with no insert....it is made from bovine(says so on the bottle)....it was also comprised of B vitamins....
I was diagnosed with hypothyroid 3 years ago when my TSH was 14(3x what it should be)...I was taking synthroid until april of this year when my hair began to fall out...I believed synthroid to be the cause so I stopped and had to switch Dr's to be placed an armour which is not synthetic, but rather a natrual form of thyroid medication...I am doing well on that but the hair still falls...I will see how I do without all that stuff....my thryoid is regulated now, with the excpetion of my T3 being low(20) where it should be 23 and up....my tsh is .975....and my t4 was normal but I don't recall exact numbers
thanks again
The adacortin is not a prescription medicine it was a homepathic medicine and came with no insert....it is made from bovine(says so on the bottle)....it was also comprised of B vitamins....
I was diagnosed with hypothyroid 3 years ago when my TSH was 14(3x what it should be)...I was taking synthroid until april of this year when my hair began to fall out...I believed synthroid to be the cause so I stopped and had to switch Dr's to be placed an armour which is not synthetic, but rather a natrual form of thyroid medication...I am doing well on that but the hair still falls...I will see how I do without all that stuff....my thryoid is regulated now, with the excpetion of my T3 being low(20) where it should be 23 and up....my tsh is .975....and my t4 was normal but I don't recall exact numbers
thanks again
heather30_72 last decade
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