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My friend has a 9 year old cat who has recently lost a lot of weight (about 50% - he was originally a little overweight) and the vet told her his liver was 'compromised' and gave her Denamarin to 'help the liver along'. The cat has wisely refused to take it. Any suggestions for what she might do, other than feeding him a glandular supplement, which was my idea?cindye on 2011-09-29
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2 pills of lycopodium 200 in the morning and evening for 2 days.
followed by ...
one pellet each of natrum sulph 6x and kali mur 6x in the morning and evening for 12 days.
If the cat refuses pills that may be added to some water.
Please report back after 15 days.
followed by ...
one pellet each of natrum sulph 6x and kali mur 6x in the morning and evening for 12 days.
If the cat refuses pills that may be added to some water.
Please report back after 15 days.
♡ kadwa last decade
My friend began the treatment a few days ago but noticed that he seemed to be going rapidly downhill (not eating, vomiting even water and unstable on his feet). She took him to the vet this AM and they decided to do more thorough blood work, but he now has an enlarged kidney and the vet told her, pending the results of the tests, she might have to be 'prepared to make some decisions because he's suffering'. They gave him fluids to perk hi up and he did eat a little, but then has been asleep all evening.
I think it's probably too late to help this cat, but do you have anything more I can say to her to reassure her that the remedies did not precipitate this? I think she understands this, but in the back of her mind, he seemed to go downhill just as she started the remedies. I believe it's coincidental and explained the remedies are so diluted they couldn't possibly bring on kidney failure, or whatever this is. Any thoughts?
I think it's probably too late to help this cat, but do you have anything more I can say to her to reassure her that the remedies did not precipitate this? I think she understands this, but in the back of her mind, he seemed to go downhill just as she started the remedies. I believe it's coincidental and explained the remedies are so diluted they couldn't possibly bring on kidney failure, or whatever this is. Any thoughts?
cindye last decade
So sorry this little cat is going through so much! And my heart also goes out to you guys who were just trying to help him feel better. For the record, I'm not sure the remedies had much to do with the progression of his illness.
My suggestion now would be to immediately give the cat activated charcoal internally for the next couple days, and watch carefully for improvements. Charcoal is amazing for antidoting some homeo remedies, absorbing any internal poisons, and helping with lessening internal infection. Hospitals use it, vets use it. Google for miraculous healing stories!
Also, if I were told my cat was dying from these things, I would NOT let them put him to sleep; I have 5 cats and they can go from feeling terrible to feeling fine again rapidly, so please have faith. Cats are strong and brave animals, and we can't always know what is going on internally, even though vets do their best. So, I would not listen to a vet tell me this, unless the cat had been in severe pain for an extended period and it was clear to me he was in undeniable agony. Always get second opinions; there are too many stories of one vet recommending an animal be put to sleep and another vet having a completely different perspective and being able to help that animal get better.
Coconut water (the clear stuff; not coconut milk) from the health food store would be great for electrolyte replacement from any vomiting/diarrhea/dehydration. My cats get syringes of this orally when dehydrated. They seem to like the taste of it.
By the way, if you decide to try this method, make sure the activated charcoal has no clay binders (kaolin, etc.) in it. You just want activated charcoal or activated charcoal slurry. You can empty activated charcoal capsules from the health food store (vitamin section) into a glass, add some plain organic unsweetened applesauce to make a bit of a paste, stir well, and then use a cheap irrigation syringe (the vet will give you one free, most likely, if you ask) to squirt it into the cat's mouth. (It's always good to have these things on hand, in case of poisonings, food poisoning, etc.) But activated charcoal is also known to help the liver and kidneys process toxins better as well.
If using a feeding syringe is too difficult, then you can put small capsules in a tiny glob of butter and pill the cat, but that's harder for them to swallow, which is why I suggest the applesauce/syringe method.
Hope this helps and isn't too late. Don't give up!!
Best of luck to you, your friend, and to that sweet little cat. Keep us posted...
[message edited by suryadrop on Wed, 26 Oct 2011 03:31:30 BST]
[message edited by suryadrop on Wed, 26 Oct 2011 03:32:42 BST]
My suggestion now would be to immediately give the cat activated charcoal internally for the next couple days, and watch carefully for improvements. Charcoal is amazing for antidoting some homeo remedies, absorbing any internal poisons, and helping with lessening internal infection. Hospitals use it, vets use it. Google for miraculous healing stories!
Also, if I were told my cat was dying from these things, I would NOT let them put him to sleep; I have 5 cats and they can go from feeling terrible to feeling fine again rapidly, so please have faith. Cats are strong and brave animals, and we can't always know what is going on internally, even though vets do their best. So, I would not listen to a vet tell me this, unless the cat had been in severe pain for an extended period and it was clear to me he was in undeniable agony. Always get second opinions; there are too many stories of one vet recommending an animal be put to sleep and another vet having a completely different perspective and being able to help that animal get better.
Coconut water (the clear stuff; not coconut milk) from the health food store would be great for electrolyte replacement from any vomiting/diarrhea/dehydration. My cats get syringes of this orally when dehydrated. They seem to like the taste of it.
By the way, if you decide to try this method, make sure the activated charcoal has no clay binders (kaolin, etc.) in it. You just want activated charcoal or activated charcoal slurry. You can empty activated charcoal capsules from the health food store (vitamin section) into a glass, add some plain organic unsweetened applesauce to make a bit of a paste, stir well, and then use a cheap irrigation syringe (the vet will give you one free, most likely, if you ask) to squirt it into the cat's mouth. (It's always good to have these things on hand, in case of poisonings, food poisoning, etc.) But activated charcoal is also known to help the liver and kidneys process toxins better as well.
If using a feeding syringe is too difficult, then you can put small capsules in a tiny glob of butter and pill the cat, but that's harder for them to swallow, which is why I suggest the applesauce/syringe method.
Hope this helps and isn't too late. Don't give up!!
Best of luck to you, your friend, and to that sweet little cat. Keep us posted...
[message edited by suryadrop on Wed, 26 Oct 2011 03:31:30 BST]
[message edited by suryadrop on Wed, 26 Oct 2011 03:32:42 BST]
suryadrop last decade
There is no scope of any kidney failure due to the homeopathic remedies recommended above.
She may give him 3 doses of Arsenicum Album at a gap of 12 hours and see how he responds.
She may give him 3 doses of Arsenicum Album at a gap of 12 hours and see how he responds.
♡ kadwa last decade
My friend stayed up all night with the cat and watched him carefully. He did vomit once during the night even though he had virtually no food in him and he seemed very sick. When she took him in today for fluids, the vets (2 of them) told her that in just a month one of his liver values had gone off the charts and they were pretty sure it was some kind of tumor.
They offered her the chance to do more fluids to give her the time to come to a decision, but she felt he was suffering - keeping in mind this cat was probably 15-16 years old (he was a stray, but she had had him 12 years, at least), and so she decided to let him be put to sleep.
The charcoal remedy you suggest I don't think would have stayed down. I really think we were simply too late all around - she didn't notice the weight loss soon enough, and so by the time she got to the vet the first time, he was already in decline, enough that only the exact remedy would have helped. Armed with only the information 'compromised liver', we were unable to predict the right remedy. My only concern was that the remedies we did use somehow precipitated this event, but in talking with her again today, she admitted that he had been off his feed and lacking energy for quite some time.
That said, I would like to thank you both for your suggestions and attempt to help. It is difficult to effectively come up with the right remedy with limited information and long distance to boot. We all did what we could, and at least this has spurred my friend to have her other cat (who is also thin, but younger) checked out, so perhaps that will have a better outcome.
I particularly appreciate the response that there is 'no scope of kidney failure due to hp remedies'. That was what I needed to hear. I can't imagine that what we tried would have thrown him into this state, and that was my major concern.
His end was peaceful and she gave him a great life. I believe she did the right thing.
They offered her the chance to do more fluids to give her the time to come to a decision, but she felt he was suffering - keeping in mind this cat was probably 15-16 years old (he was a stray, but she had had him 12 years, at least), and so she decided to let him be put to sleep.
The charcoal remedy you suggest I don't think would have stayed down. I really think we were simply too late all around - she didn't notice the weight loss soon enough, and so by the time she got to the vet the first time, he was already in decline, enough that only the exact remedy would have helped. Armed with only the information 'compromised liver', we were unable to predict the right remedy. My only concern was that the remedies we did use somehow precipitated this event, but in talking with her again today, she admitted that he had been off his feed and lacking energy for quite some time.
That said, I would like to thank you both for your suggestions and attempt to help. It is difficult to effectively come up with the right remedy with limited information and long distance to boot. We all did what we could, and at least this has spurred my friend to have her other cat (who is also thin, but younger) checked out, so perhaps that will have a better outcome.
I particularly appreciate the response that there is 'no scope of kidney failure due to hp remedies'. That was what I needed to hear. I can't imagine that what we tried would have thrown him into this state, and that was my major concern.
His end was peaceful and she gave him a great life. I believe she did the right thing.
cindye last decade
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