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arnica in wet dose

This post is for Dr Uday Kumar and Do Joe Delivera

Arnica, the miracle remedy is an eye opener.You both are extremely knowledgeable on Arnica. Hence, you only could throw light or clarify on some of the adverse and restrictive opinions(on medicinenet, buzzle, webmd) as to arnica usage. For example, how long it could be used, side effects and interactions with drugs, for normal people and people with diseased conditions et al.

tks -john29
  john29 on 2012-04-02
This is just a forum. Assume posts are not from medical professionals.
google Joepathy and read Joe's website-
( btw he is not a Dr.) he has been
taking arnica himself for like 20 years-
you can email him questions on his site
and decide for yourself.

have not seen Kumar on forum in a long
simone717 last decade
Arnica is just one of the 5000+ homoeopathic medicines that each perform various miracles every day in the hands of skilled practitioners. As with every homoeopathic (or potentized) medicine there will be side effects if it is used inappropriately.

Inappropriate use of a medicine like Arnica would be:

1. Taking the medicine for long periods of time without regular assessment.

2. Taking the medicine when it is not indicated by virtue of its symptoms in our materia medica (matching the remedy specifically to your situation).

3. Taking the medicine alongside other homoeopathic medicines.

4. Taking the medicine simply for the name of the condition rather than looking at the individual symptoms the patient has.

5. Taking the medicine only for one complaint you have rather than matching it to the whole picture of your health.

As with all homoeopathic medicines, the guidelines for safe use are:

1. Only use the medicine when the entire case calls for it.

2. Only use enough of the medicine to create marked positive change and then stop.

3. Repeat the remedy only when there is relapse, or the condition appears to be 'stuck' (not changing any further).

4. Stop the remedy if any new symptoms appear, as this is a very serious and dangerous situation (suppression). Suppression can actually cause serious even permanent harm.

5. Stop the remedy if the symptoms you have get worse, and wait for them to get better. If they do not get better it is likely the remedy is the wrong one or is being given in the wrong potency.

6. Always take a medicine in water, rather than as straight pillules. This is called Split Dosing and was suggested by Dr. Samuel Hahnemann the inventor of homoeopathy, over 200 years ago.

7. Move up in potency if the remedy appears to be somewhat effective, but does not change enough of the symptoms.

8. Move down in potency if the medicine reduces many important symptoms (mentals, emotionals) but seems less effective on the physicals.

9. Finally, if the medicine clearly is not working after around 1-2 weeks of observing, then change to a new remedy. Whichever remedy you are using is likely to be the wrong one.

David Kempson
Professional Classical Homoeopath
Dip.Hom.Med. 1994
Registered ATMS 5141
[message edited by brisbanehomoeopath on Tue, 03 Apr 2012 02:32:54 BST]
brisbanehomoeopath last decade
thanks, Doc Kempson.
Since these two gentlemen are strong advocates for Arnica and exhibit intensive knowledge, the intent is to get to know their take on adverse comments on sites we trust. If Arnica is so good and useful, then let people know about and be benefited. Otherwise, caution is the watchword.

john29 last decade

You do not seem to have noticed that this post is addressed to me and Udaya Kumar by the poster John29 who has also reminded you of his original intention in addressing it to us.

Both Udaya and I are senior members of the Homeopathy and More which I helped to establish about 8 years ago and which I visit almost daily today. Udaya does not however visit the ABC today. Both of us have done considerable original research on Arnica which may seem to differ from your own concept of how Arnica can help in CURING ailments and diseases not listed in the classical Homepathic text books that you have used in college. You must understand and accept that since those days, there has been considerable progress in the world of Homeopathy and it just will not do to refuse to accept any new concept merely because you were not taught these new developments in any classical text.

This is the reason why I have collated my findings on Arnica and other Homeopathic remedies on my own website to enable those who do not accept the 'Joepathy' approach towards healing with the use of standard Homeopathic remedies like you, to be informed by the patients themselves who have been cured by me, that there is indeed sufficient proof of success to use my direct 'this for that' approach towards healing.

As you are aware, I do not subscribe to the classical Homeopathic diktat of 'treating the totality of the symptoms presented by the patient with a SINGLE remedy' in common with qualified Homeopaths like the doctors Banerji who use their own Banerji protocol to treat over 1500 patients daily free of charge. I noticed in the recent past that you have cast some aspersions on the efficacy of their therapy but you did not proceed to prove your statement, like many others you only talk about sometimes in a manner that seems to imply that you are the sole authority and arbiter of this precious science Homeopathy.

I am well aware of your views on the use of Homeopathic remedies and I am proud to state that although I may not have the qualifications you boast of and which you assume gives you the lien to pontificate on this science of Homeopathy which you liken to your own domain, it seems obvious to me and other members of the ABC that I have a higher ratio of CURES of ailments that I treat than those that you can boast of.

I do not pontificate as you have done again in your post on this thread where you trot out your pet theories on Homeopathy. I have disproved the majority of your claims and have sufficient evidence to prove that my Joepathy works in some mysterious manner that you cannot match with your own take on classical homeopathy.

I consider myself a living example of the advantage to be derived by using Arnica 30 nightly, as I have done continuously since 1996. I must confirm for the purpose of record that I am not the only one who has derived some distinct advantage from using Arnica as my own Blood profile is exemplary and this is reflected in my demeanour which belies my age of 83 years. Many of my patients who have also used Arnica in the manner that I do have also confirmed that they too have turned over a new page in their lives after they started on my Joepathy. It was only yesterday that a patient brought his reports on his Blood Lipid Profile which he was surprised to find was quite normal although just 2 months ago he was having Angina due to high Cholesterol for which he was taking a multitude of tablets including the TNT to lower his Cholesterol and Triglycerides, all of which he had stopped shortly after he started on my therapy.

You cannot possibly maintain that it is only the classical homeopathic therapy (as prescribed by you) that can CURE the patient as I have some outstanding cases of CURES like Robert Ray who was a victim of 3 strokes in 2002 of which you are aware of, and which you cannot possibly equate.

In this case too you simply refuse to accept that Robert was CURED of the after effects of his 3 strokes even after he confirmed himself that he was back in harness and drawing $125000 annually as a consultant in computers.


Joe De Livera last decade

Glad to note u are there on the forum. Please do revert for everyone's benefit with your comments on what I asked for. I am sure your views would carry weight on arnica.

john29 last decade
John 29

My apologies that I did not reply to your query on Arnica in the Wet dose in your first post on this thread. My attention was diverted to reply to the inane rejoinder which David Kempson who claims that he is a classical homeopath, made in his usually snide fashion to my post and I overlooked replying to your question:

'how long it could be used, side effects and interactions with drugs, for normal people and people with diseased conditions et al.'

I first discovered the beneficial effects of Arnica 30 on myself way back in 1996 as it was then that I first started to take Arnica on a daily basis. At first it was in the standard dry pellets but after 2005 I used Arnica in what I termed the 'Wet dose' which term has been firmly established in Homeopathic circles. I was not aware that Google has listed the term Wet dose that I coined in collaboration with Dr Luc de Schepper who was visiting Sri Lanka after our Tsunami in 2005 and you can read more about it by doing a search under 'Wet dose' on this ABC forum and also on Google where you will find many thousands of hits under 'Wet Dose'

I note that David has referred to the Split dose that Hahnemann used 200 years ago:
'6. Always take a medicine in water, rather than as straight pillules. This is called Split Dosing and was suggested by Dr. Samuel Hahnemann the inventor of homoeopathy, over 200 years ago. '

It is a matter of interest that even today, I have not seen David prescribing the Split dose nor the Wet dose for any remedy that he prescribes to a patient, as he is governed by the information that he was brainwashed into believing, in this case the Split dose, which too he does not prescribe although it originated with Hahnemann as confirmed by him.

Luc and I did some research on this Split dose which is not the equivalent of the WET DOSE which Hahnemann used for some time as stated by David. There is no reference to the Wet dose which is the dose taken straight from the bottle which Hahnemann did not advocate for some reason which we could not fathom. It was then that I suggested that I term the non diluted dose as the Wet dose with Luc's agreement.

I have since that time taken a capful or 5ml of Arnica nightly and now count over 16 years of unbroken use of Arnica and I believe I now have sufficient evidence from my personal experience to catergorically state that it has helped me in a manner that no other drug or remedy could possibly have done. I am living evidence that it has indeed done so. I quote from from my own experience and also from the reports of other patients who are following my example and are using my same therapy and have reported that they too have discovered that Arnica does in fact perform Miracles of Healing which other remedies or drugs cannot emulate.

It is interesting to note that others, including this classical homeopath, can only pontificate from what they have been brainwashed into believing during their studies in college where the standard instructions are never to take any remedy unless it has been prescribed by a 'classical' homeopath using the standard classical questionnaire which takes at least a good hour to conduct and which I consider is a lot of rubbish. David has
given his own belabored explanation on the 'danger' of using my Joepathy but I have disproved all his warnings and his insistence on the patient to only follow the accepted norms of classical homeopathy which I have proved time and time again, do not work to HEAL the patient. To my mind they constitute the license for the classical homeopath to ensure that the poor suffering patient is compelled to return time and time again for that next consultation which thereby guarantees the revenue to the classical prescriber.

I would like to place on record that I am not the only Homeopath to use this direct 'this for that' form of therapy as the doctors Banerji of the Banerji Homeopathic Foundation also follow the same Joepathy therapy which they have spelt out in their website:


If you are seriously interested to study how very effective my Joepathy has been in relation to the use of Arnica on a daily basis, you are invited to visit the link below on my website entitled 'Arnica the Miracle Remedy' on:


I can reassure you and all who read this post that I am very well and kicking at my advanced age of 83 years and I am convinced that I owe my state of wellness first to God in whom I have an abiding trust, and to Arnica.

If, as I request, you study the information that I have collated in the link above on Arnica you will realize what a wonderful remedy it is which I would recommend that anyone who is over 40 years uses nightly like me if s/he desires to avoid ailments like heart attacks and strokes which are all due to the build up of cholesterol and other debris in the blood and deposits in the arterial system and can cause serious problems later in life.

You might also like to read the incredible account of Robert Ray who was affected by 3 strokes in 2002 which left him first a paraplegic and whom I restored to normal health after I took his case in 2010.


I hope that I have given you sufficient food for thought and have answered your questions. Please feel free to address any more questions on Arnica if you would like to have my thoughts on them.
Joe De Livera last decade


Have you noticed that this thread 'Arnica in the Wet dose' is missing from the day's list of posts?

I had the link to this post where I had made some significant submissions of which I have copies and I would like to know if and when you read this post if you too do not see it in today's list.

Joe De Livera last decade
I have also discovered that page 2 of this thread is missing.
Joe De Livera last decade
what is a wet dose?
rubee38 6 years ago
Google, "instructions for turning pills into liquid remedies"

HomeopathyPlus website
[message edited by simone717 on Tue, 28 Feb 2017 18:41:17 UTC]
simone717 6 years ago

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