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For JOE: Any experience using Arnica 6C for MS??

Joe,

I have a good friend who is using all-natural methods to reverse the symptoms of MS. She is doing much better than most who have MS but she still has days when her stress levels trigger a painful inflammatory response and force her into bed for as long as 4 days. I mentioned how I take the Arnica 6C every night for sleep and she asked me whether she thought it would also be appropriate for her MS-related joint pain. I told her I would ask you on the Forum to get your opinion.

By the way, I have added one addition to my daily herbal/health regimen: Avena Sativa extract. I take 30 drops in warm water upon waking and around noon time. I have noticed a profound deepening of that "core" energy that seems to grow profoundly with each day. I feel that this is a good complementary treatment to Arnica 6C only from an intuitive point of view, mind you. However, there does seem to be a symbiotic connection between these two plant remedies. I know from past experience that TONIC remedies are far more effective long term than any other "quick fix" program. I am more than happy to experiment with tonic programs and report my personal experience. It gets me thinking about the wonderful long term benefits of American Ginseng and Siberian Ginseng, two of my favorites in the Tonic herb world for sustained health and well being. I used to do both of these herbs when I was at University and they certainly did do for me what they were said to do. I had more long term energy, greater ability to concentrate and greater adaption to stress. Now that I write this, I might just slowly integrate these two ginsengs into my tonic program again. Anyway, I wanted to mention the Avena and the arnica question. Look forward to your response when you get a chance.

Jane
 
  Jane525 on 2005-09-10
This is just a forum. Assume posts are not from medical professionals.
Jane,

I have never treated a case of MS before. However there is no harm using Arnica and I would suggest the 30c potency in the Wet Dose that I now recommend as it is far more potent than the dry. It is made up as follows:

Get a 500ml bottle of Spring Water from your nearest supermarket.
Pour out 100ml
Drop in 3 pellets or 1 drop of liquid Arnica 200c into the 400ml water
Cap the bottle tightly and succuss it 4-6 times by banging on your palm and look out for the air bubbles to fizzle up from the bottom.
Pour out 1 teaspoonful of the potentized remedy and sip it twice daily with the last dose taken just before sleep. You will observe that you sleep very deeply after the Arnica.

MS is an autoimmune disease and it is just possible that the Arnica can help to overcome the imbalance in the body that creates this condition.

I am copying some information on MS:


Multiple Sclerosis causes the body to incorrectly direct antibodies and white blood cells against proteins in the myelin sheath. The myelin sheath surrounds the nerves in your brain and spinal cord. As the proteins are attacked and damaged by the natural antibodies and white blood cells, this causes inflammation and injury to the sheath and ultimately to the nerves that it surrounds. The result may be multiple areas of scarring, hence the name Multiple Sclerosis. Eventually, this damage can slow or even block the nerve signals that control muscle coordination, strength, sensation and vision.

Using Arnica is a very long shot but I have had singular success with 'resurrecting' and 82 year old who was condemned to a slow demise as he has lost the motor functions in his extremeties and was virtually carried around from his bed to chair. This problem came on slowly and the patient was referred to specialists and later ayurvedics who were all unable to cure him.

I gave him Arnica 1M and in just about 2 months he discovered life flowing back to his hands and feet and in 3 months he was able to walk unaided.

I would also recommend that your friend takes 2 tablets Nat Phos 6x (Biechemia) after both lunch and dinner as this will move the food quickly into the colon without giving it the usual absorption time in the gut. This too is a long shot but this combined therapy may just work.

I hope that you realize that I am just shooting blind but it is worth it. All I can state categorically is the not harm can be caused to the patient and if there is the slightest discomfort please request him to stop the therapy and report.

Please keep me informed with progress weekly as, if we are able to bring this off, it will be another of my "miracle' cures.

You can contact me by email on joe at titusstores.com. This may be quicker if you wish to contact me.

Joe
 
Joe De Livera last decade
Thanks Joe, for your reply. I've copied it and sent it onto my friend (a woman) who said she will eagerly try the remedy as sleep is often difficult when she has a bout of joint pain. She gave up on all medical help about 2 years ago as the drugs were causing her to have kidney damage (!!!!) I am also investigating KRILL OIL for her as well. Do you know about this? Krill is a shrimp-like creature in the cold Atlantic waters. There is significant evidence that Krill oil works beautifully on PMS (especially where the emotional body goes haywire), high cholesterol, depression and joint pain.

Thanks again for your input. I'll keep you updated as she reports back to me.

Jane
 
Jane525 last decade
Hello Jane,
Read also about flaxseed oil and dr Johanna Budwig.
 
Astra2012 last decade
Astra,

Yes, I have checked out the Budwig Protocol. I actually wrote an article about it for a national magazine about 10 years ago. However, recently, I am having my doubts about flax seed oil and flax seeds in general. I recently attended a major health conference (alternative therapies and really cutting edge stuff) on the east coast. I attend these conferences at least three times a year to keep up with the latest in health, technology and what's on the horizon for complementary health care. At this conference, I met a woman who is both an MD, ND and a holistic researcher. She is based out of Quebec. She is the second person to tell me that flax seed oil can often do more harm than good. Partly, it's due to the rancidity quality of the oil; another aspect is how the flax seed oil affects the estrogen receptor sites. I'm still debating whether Budwig's idea of combining the oil with the cottage cheese altered any of this. Obviously, the results she found with her protocol speak for themselves and I don't mean to dismiss any of those. I will say that flax seed oil does not agree with my body. I used to take it every day as an overall health protector. I found my menstrual cycle getting all screwed up. When I stopped the flax seed oil, the cycle slowly went back to normal.

This brings me to Flax seeds. This woman at the conference made a statement that I have yet to be able to confirm (and trust me, I have researched it very much since I returned.) She claims that flax seed (ground and whole) contains cyanogenic glycosides that convert to formaldehyde in the liver, much like Aspartame does. Now, I can confirm the cyanogenic glycosides. But they are usually found in the young plant before it goes to seed. The same cyanogenic glycosides are also found in aprioct pits, cherry pits, peach pits and a few more. For short term use and in small quantities, these naturally occuring glycosides can kill infection. The Amish use peach pit tea quite effectively to kill the common cold virus. I've tried this and it does seem to work if you take the tea at the onset of the illness. My question is whether flax seeds (either brown or golden variety) are indeed toxic to the liver over time??? I have taken them on and off for years and they do wonders for my colon.

Any ideas from anyone on this? I'd love to get it either confirmed or have a place to locate pertinent info.

Jane
 
Jane525 last decade
I read with interest all your postings with interest but only the short ones.Your interest and research in arnica and natrum phos is appreciable.Regarding MS,I would request u not to recommend arnica.This disease is very very difficult to cure and is almost impossiple.There is no definite cure of this disease even in allopathic system of medicine.In homeopathy lathyrus sat gives some help but only in early stage.I request u to please be careful while prescribing arnica in these sort of diseases.This is not to discourage you.I am sorry.
 
sajjadakram635 last decade
Sajjaddakram: do you think arnica can do ANY harm?

Jane-I read your post with great interest.
I heard that flaxseed oil gets rancid and toxic quite fast and that's why not all brands are equal.
Barlean's high lignan is made as fresh as possible for getting into stores, in dark bottles closed under nitrogen. (it needs oxygen and ligh to get rancid)

Then, when according to dr Budwigs protocol you mix it with cottage cheese the linoleic acid of oil binds with high-sulphur prottein in diary and this "fixes" it.
Mix it well and as soon as you open the oil bottle and it will not become rancid (=toxic)!

About estrogen receptor sites- it's the first time I hear about that- never noticed any changes in my menses and I eat oil with yogurt almost every day since March.Did you mix it with diary?
 
Astra2012 last decade
Astra,

No I didn't mix it with dairy. I have mixed the FRESHLY ground flax seeds in my yogurt. I actually like it better that way rather than mixing it with liquid. Forget about buying pre-ground flaxseed meal. The rancidity factor is in high gear then. You simply MUST freshly grind the seeds. Eating them whole is pointless as the seed shell is so hard and your hydrochloric acid can't break it down. Talked to a researcher today and explained the question re: flax seeds converting to formaldehyde and his response was that unless you take the flax seeds and expose them to 98.7 degrees or higher and see a chemical change when exposed to hydrochloric acid (essentially mimicing the body's process of breaking down nutrients), he doesn't buy into the whole toxic principle as far as the ground seeds. He does, however, not promote the use of flax seed oil as a rule. He says that a "fix" does take place when the oil is combined with cottage cheese. But it doesn't work for everyone. I understand this and try desperately not to generalize protocols and say that everyone can benefit from the same thing. That's why I constantly remind people that the MIND rules it all. Throw in genetics, stress, belief systems, family dynamics, intimate relationships, children....and one can see that everyone's healing path will vary.

Right now, I am doing research on two products that intrigue me greatly. One is simply called Female Tonic and was developed by Dr. Arvigo. It has some fairly amazing uses for everything from balancing menstrual cycles to completing ridding the body of cervical dyplasia (pre-cancerous cells).

The second nutrient simply fascinates me. It's called Cernitin or Swedish Flower Pollen. This pollen, derived from timothy, rye and corn pollen, has shown seriously dramatic abilities to reduce an enlarged prostate, allowing many men to not have to endure needless surgery. It can do much more, including strengthen the immune system, reduce the body's response to the common cold, and increase a woman's libido (especially women who are pre-menopausal or post menopausal). I'm sure there are more usees for it. That is why I'm doing research. It's been used quite successfully in Sweden for over 50 years and just introduced into the States within the last 18 months, as far as I can tell. It seems to work best on men who are over the age of 40, by the way. Don't know why. Oh, I left out the most provocative use for the pollen: it supposedly really intensifies a man's orgasm and improves libido. Don't think it affects erectile dysfunction.

Anyway, that's just a couple things I'm working on right now.

Jane
 
Jane525 last decade
Thank you for your note of caution on using Arnica for MS.

My reason for suggesting it is because I have had an unusual response from the 82 year old man who was cured by Arnica when his doctors had all abandoned him and I thought that there was a possibility that a long shot in using a lower potency of Arnica to what I used which I felt could help in this case of MS.

You have more experience than me in your practice and I take your advice and would like to withdraw my prescription which I hope the patient has not taken so far.

Perhaps Jane can comment on this matter.

I agree with you completely that MS is a very difficult disease to cure but suggested it on the off chance that the patient may benefit from Arnica which I have often used with amazing results.

I am glad that you read my posts on this forum and am grateful for your advice which I hope I can count on in the future.
 
Joe De Livera last decade
Thank you for your word of caution in using Arnica for this case. I must admit that I was using the improvement that resulted in my using Arnica 1M for my 82 year old patient, as the guide in advising the use of this remedy in a lower potency for this case of MS.

I do not think that it can do any harm but if it was able to help the patient it would be another first for Arnica.

Thank you for taking interest in reading my posts on this forum and as you probably know already I am not a professional homeopath like you but like to use remedies especially Arnica for various ailments that are not listed in the MM many of which have worked.

For instance I note that in Jane's post above there is reference to Swedish Flower Pollen on which she is doing research and has been found to increase the libido of both men and women.

I discovered that Arnica 6c also has the same effect and I understand that many are using it successfully.

Thank you for posting and I hope that I can count on your advice in the future.

Joe
 
Joe De Livera last decade
You may be wondering why I was posting twice over but I discovered that my first post had disappeared from my desktop and I could not retrieve it.

I then posted another edition again.

My apologies for this repeat performance.
 
Joe De Livera last decade
Jane: let's talk about flaxseed oil x cottage cheese (or yogurt) as I'm convinced it will benefit EVERYBODY (since the linoleic oil is needed by every cell membrane in everybody).

My husband is research scientist (chemist) and so am I (microbiologist).We both read some of dr. Budwig's publications and never questioned her findings-and never suspected flaxseed oil mixed asap with dairy to be harmful. I recommend it to everyone and so far many people have reported very good results (not just subjective like more energy but also objective like lower cholesterol and blood sugar).

Before using oil I used freshly ground (of course!) flaxseeds with also good results.
Your researcher said that :

He does, however, not promote the use of flax seed oil as a rule.

and I think he is wrong. Surely dr Budwig's credentials (6 times nominated to Nobel) ar better than his and she does promote it!
He also said that:

He says that a "fix" does take place when the oil is combined with cottage cheese. But it doesn't work for everyone.

That "fix" is purely chemical-how can it not work for everybody?
And everybody needs omega-3 and -6 acids which are in flaxseed oil.
What kind of a researcher is he?

You are however right saying that mind has the upper hand in everything we do -- I have had quite "fiery" discussions about it since I really believe that all cases are curable IF MIND CO-OPERATES. There is a great book "Mind as a healer, mind as a slayer"
 
Astra2012 last decade
Astra,

I can't deny that Budwig's protocol is effective and has created miracles. I'm not saying that it's harmful (the mixture). Infact, I've mentioned it to a few friends who have joint problems, immune issues, etc. I'm still waiting to hear back from the MD/ND who made the claim that flax seed oil converts to formaldehyde in the body. I did have a lengthy conversation today (2+ hours) with a researcher who has worked with many chemists, all of whom are on the plant-based bandwagon. In other words, these people are NOT trying to fix a study to support allopathic regimens. He told me that four people in the research field have voiced their concerns over flax seed oil due to the varying quality of oils on the market, their stability and lignan count. When I asked him about Budwig's protocol, he said that "results can't be ignored" but that was about it. When I asked about freshly ground flax seeds, he said that there are many people who seem to have allergies to flax seed (more than he thinks realize it) and that the seed may be allergenic to those simply because their body rejects it. This of course does not mean that flax seeds are "bad." I think it's a good idea, though, to stress to people that flax may not be the ultimate panacea for every single person that it's made out to be. I know from my own experience that the oil caused havoc with my system and it wasn't until I stopped taking it that I felt better.

Yes, absolutely, if the MIND cooperates than all is much better on the road to full recovery and even reversal of symptoms. But as I was discussing with this gentleman today on the phone, there is such a terrific spiritual/mental connection to one's ancestors and the trauma that often occured within one's lineage. He told me a fascinating story about a woman who had unexplained fear of elevators and was paralyzed by that fear. Yet, there was no connection to her fear from her own experience. The fear, he says, (as does ANY fear) lodges in one's cell structure and literally creates a blueprint for one's psyche. This blueprint of negative programming, as he put it, stays stuck in that cell structure and repattens the DNA/RNA for generations to come. Welll, she learned, through a very involved process that allows one to connect with one's DNA/RNA pattern, that her fear of elevators was a fear of tight spaces and that her grandfather had been trapped in a steerage compartment on his way on a boat to America and left that boat with abject fear of tight spaces. He in turn passed this cell memory onto his son who passed it onto his daughter. It's very interesting, I think. It makes me consider the saying that one must examine one's fears and find out if they are truly your own or borrowed from another. I can think of numerous cases in my own life where I "borrowed" many fears that I didn't even own! Once I figured that out, I released my attachment to them and felt much more free.

Hope that wasn't too out there but I thought it was terribly interesting and thought provoking.

Jane
 
Jane525 last decade
It was very interesting-I like such stories a lot!
Memories coded in nucleic acids haven't been proved-but we still need to learn so much.
Some people, who believe in reincarnation (among them some MDs too), believe that fears come from the past life experience, and by regressing the patient through hypnosis to that experience will cure (a common psychiatric therapy).

Going back to flaxseed oil:
You write that:

I know from my own experience that the oil caused havoc with my system and it wasn't until I stopped taking it that I felt better.

Was it oil or seeds?
Was it mixed asap with yogurt or cottage cheese?
 
Astra2012 last decade
It was the oil. For whatever reason, it just doesn't agree with my system. I usually used it alone (took it off the spoon) but occasionally I'd mix it in cottage cheese. I didn't feel that the mixture agreed with my stomach either. Can't say why.

Now, lately, I've been experimenting with freshly ground flax seeds as a mode to regulate one's menstrual cycle. I am in peri-menopause and experiencing irregular cycles. My estrogen half of the cycle (the first half) was shorter than the progesterone cycle. Thus, I experimented using ground flax seeds just during the first half of the estrogen phase to see if I could extend it longer, thus creating a 28 day cycle. It didn't work. In fact, it caused that particular cycle to go 37 days!! So, I tried using the flax seeds during the progesterone side of the cycle. I can't tell you the results yet as I'm in the midst of it. Any ideas on this?

I liked the way the flax seeds helped me get regular but after about five days, I felt a tremendously uncomfortable bloating in my belly. Yes, I drank plenty of water to push the seeds through and allow them to do their work. But it really didn't feel right. And I think it's vital to listen to your body and how one feels. Of course, one must separate one's ego or emotions from one's intuition (not so easy a task to disconnect that, you know). But I can only tell you what I feel at this time.

Jane
 
Jane525 last decade
Well, if it doesn't work for you then it doesn't! no way around it.
It is the first time I hear it doesn't feel great.

Read only Christian's posts here:

http://www.abchomeopathy.com/forum2.php/13440/

About your experimenting: my humble suggestion is -just drop flaxseeds. They do not make you feel good, they obviously do not work for your cycle (do you have any scientific basis for your experiments-like flaxseed's inluence on hormones?

there are many sources of phytohormones which influence the cycle.

How's your friend with MS?
Andre Saine from Montreal has hadd some MS cures.
 
Astra2012 last decade
Astra,

We'll read Christian's posts later today. Am on tight writing deadline at the moment.

As for friend with MS, have not heard back from her in three days. She is going through some bad problems with her husband who is not supportive (never has been in over 20 years of marriage) and so she says she is thinking of separating from him. This, of course, is causing her obvious stress and that stress makes the MS flare up worse. She still works full-time as a sales rep for a large technology company in the US but she has just put in her three month notice as she says she cannot handle the long hours and pressure to constantly meet sales numbers that keep going up quarterly. So, in short, she is going through some very tough life changes right now. She is a novice with homeopathy and since she lives far from where I live, I cannot help her through any aggravations she may or may not experience with homeopathy. Will do a search on Andre Saine in Montreal. Thanks for the tip.

I've stopped the flax seeds altogether. I must listen to my body and it says "no" at the present time.

Thanks for your info.

Jane
 
Jane525 last decade
Thank you. Hope your friend will be ok soon.
 
Astra2012 last decade

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