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Baby Reflux Dr Joe plz come in!Desperate Mum Need Help!

My boy is 8.5 mths old and suffers from reflux from day 1 of birth.The labour is a normal one but I caught a flu 3 wks before I gave birth and were coughing badly while in labour. I had a powerful antibiotic injection done in labour room and followed by 2 week course of antibiotics. I have been breastfeeding and topped him up with 100ml of Neocate(milk protein break down formula)once in the evening.

Weight:10kg(put on 450g weight in recent 1.5 months)

Symptoms:
Watery stuff traveling to mouth and then swallowed down. Frequent spits up. In this week, we have twice of the following scenario right before bedtime: After breastfeed and a top up of formula(Neocate) He had a huge burp and brought up a large amount of a combination of milk, transparent sticky liquid and also his lunch. I topped him up with 100-130ml of formula at around 7-8pm before bed. Frequent night wakings and 30-40 min naps.Difficulty to be put down when reflux flares up. Spent his first 3 months sleeping on our chests.Prefers to be held straight up rather than cradle hold horizontally. Fussy nursing behaviors and occasionally milk strike since 2 months old. Introduced solids at 5.5 months and started to have fussy solid behaviors or refusal to eat after 1 month, that¡¯s when we introduced more varieties of food to him. He is alright with oats , millets and pears. Failed bananas,apples and Wattie¡¯s baby rice cereals. Introduction of solids been tough as he hardly has more than 3 days in a row.

Constipation:
From 7.5 months, progressed to 3 meals a day and suffers from constipation in which period, suffers more reflux episodes. Stool each day, ranges from 2-4 times of single hard, dark ball.

Breasfeeding Mother¡¯s Elimination Diet:
I have quit dairy products since he was 2 mths old and this has eased his bloating and frequent flatulence but reflux persists.

I never take caffeine products and I am off tomatos,potatos,apples and soy products 3 months ago as directed by my naturalpath. By doing so, he has more peaceful nights but majority of his days still consists of frequent night wakings and 30-40 min naps.

I started to have occasional reflux pain in the stomach in last December, after I ate some food that went bad and suffered from postnatal depression.. This became severe in Feb this year expecially when my mood is very low. My GP prescribed me Losec. Had it for 4 days and seen stable results. Off Losec after a week¡¯s course and now took Slippery Elm with oatmilk in the morning.I also feel stressed and low in mood and occasionally have difficulty to go back to sleep after nursing at night.(eg, nurse at 1am and lied down with busy and worrying mind, could lied down for 6 hours without going to sleep) My in law is here to help but did more harm to my mood than good.

What we are taking:
Baby on 1 cap of Losec per day since 3 months old.Had some good days when he was about 6 mths but then things went up and downs. I started to take BioKult Probiotics 3 weeks ago and gave 1/2 tsp of Inner Health Child Probiotics. I think they helped as we had some more good days when he just turned 8 months. Then, I started to reduce his intake of Losec to 2/3 cap per day, after 4 days or so, bad days increases. We went back to our naturalpath and she prescribed me the following mineral salts to take:
The Active 2.3(Mag p, Kali p)
Active 3.2(Mag p, Kali s, Nat p)
Active 4.3
(Calc p, Calc f, Ferr p, Sil)

4 days ago(first time taking mineral salts), I started to take one tab of 4.3 after dinner and 2 tabs of active 2.3. After 45 min of taking them, I started to have reflux pain in the stomache. That night I was suffering from reflux pain which woke me up once at night and my baby was terrible with reflux pain as well.So we both had a restless night. In the morning, I was feeling ok, took one tab of 3.2 and one tab of 4.3 after breakfast. I started to have reflux pain again after 1 hour or so and refluxed to my throat , at the mean time, my baby was refluxing to his throat as well!I stopped taking them and had some slippery elm to smooth my stomach by midday. I didn¡¯t have any reflux pain after lunch and dinner.
The day before yesterday: I was all fine. My poor baby was settling a little bit since yesterday but quite slowly comparing to me. He refused to eat his breakfast and eating has become a battle between us. Napped terrible in the morning.He appeared to be better in the afternoon. At 7:20pm he had 130ml of topup formula after breastmilk, which is 30ml more than usual, this has led to a big vomit as described in the Symptom session. Maybe because of not taking enough food during the day, he had 2 feeds during the night, beside some other random wakings.
Yesterday: I am all good with a table spoon of slippery elm in the morning and one cap of probiotics. Baby had only 4 spoonful of oatmeal, but slept 1.5 hours in the morning. But started to be irritable during the afternoon and also refused his topup of formula in the evening.Random night wakings are slightly less, had 2 feeds, but had difficulties to sleep after 4am. My poor husband ended up holding him to sleep till 7:15am.
This morning, he took his milk ok while drowsy at 7:15am but had only 4 spoonful of otameal for breakfast. He protested hard to be put down for his morning nap but stayed asleep for 1.5 hours. I phoned my naturalpath about this and she was so surprised with this and could not find a clue. She suggested me to try mineral elements again next week when we both settle down.
I would like to seek more opinions before I do that.The active 3.2 that I took contains Nat phos*6 which should do good for refluxers??It may not be sufficient to as I only took one tab once in the DAY 2 morning¡­ The big vomit the day before yesterday may not be relevant to mineral salt either as he had one big spit up this week before I took them. He rarely has big vomit but he tends to feel sick as if vomiting more often recently. I wonder if it is either the 2.3 or 4.3 upseted our digestion.

Sorry about the long story as I am quite confused!Please advice as I am desperate!
[message edited by Welie3 on Thu, 28 Mar 2013 00:10:52 GMT]
 
  Welie3 on 2013-03-22
This is just a forum. Assume posts are not from medical professionals.
Addition to sympton: When we feel worse, both my boy and I will suffer from wind and frequently bringing up wind and wet burps.
 
Welie3 7 years ago
Re: attn Joe De Livera - nat phos 6x From Joe De Livera on 2013-03-23
Please DO NOT GIVE BABY the Prevacid which has various side effects for adults which you can read if you Google:
'The danger of using PPI drugs'

I shall copy my default therapy for Baby Gerd below:



It is very likely that your baby suffers from Gastric Reflux aka GERD (Gastro Esophagal Reflux Disease)

The remedies that have proved to be very effective for Baby GERD are:

Nat Phos 6x dose half tablet dissolved in milk given immediately after a feed.

The Wet dose of any Homeopathic remedy is made as follows:

Order the remedy in the Liquid pack in Alcohol, also referred to as Liquid Dilution in a bottle preferably with a dropper arrangement.
Get a 500ml bottle of Spring Water from the nearest supermarket.
Pour out about 3cm of water from the bottle to leave some airspace.
Insert 3 drops of the remedy into the bottle and shake the bottle hard at least 6 times before you sip a capfull of the bottle or a large teaspoonful which is the dose.
Shaking the bottle hard is homeopathic succussion and this enhances the effect of the remedy on the user.


You will STOP all other drugs prescribed for baby which as you have already seen have not done any good.

Please confirm that you burp baby immediately after each feed.

You will avoid eating all food that can cause any distress to baby.You must know that they are passed on to baby through your breast milk.

You (the mother) will take Nat Phos 6x dose 2 tablets after each of 3 meals daily and Arnica 30c in the Wet dose taken twice daily. The idea is that your milk will pass the effect to baby. You may like to know that this remedy will also help to reduce your weight by 1kg per week very safely.

Report progress in 24 hours and as often as you wish on this thread .

You do NOT have to use Nux VOMICA right now. You will only give him the Nat Phos 6x.
[message edited by Joe De Livera on Thu, 28 Mar 2013 02:33:58 GMT]
 
Joe De Livera 7 years ago
Hi dr joe, thank u for ur reply . I haven't found nat phos by its own yet. I have the combination tissue salt of the following ingredient : nat phos *6,nat phos dibasicmineral anhydrous 250mg,Kali sulph *6,mag phos*6,Kali sulph 60mg. There are a lot of ingredients in it and instruction is to take twice a day, one tab each time before food.i wonder if it is ok to take this to start with? Thx and looking forward ur reply .
 
Welie3 7 years ago
By the way ,yes I burp him after nursing. But he is quite hard to burp,especially at night after his drowsy nursing session.i now have difficulty to sleep after nursing my son at night, I think this has made my reflux worse:I had an episode of stomachache this evening , started halfcan hour before dinner , got worse after dinner. The pain is quite acute for half an hour or so, I had no choice but took one tab of losec. I know it's bad but had to take it to cease the pain
 
Welie3 7 years ago
Hi Dr Joe, just letting u to know that I have ordered nat phos in spray and arnica 30c.is it ok to use spray?
Can i use the combo cell salt described above from now on brefore my order arrive?
My boy is 10kg, Nux Vomica 30c in the Wet dose about 300ml after a feed twice daily. --does that mean 150ml each time after a feed? 150ml seems a lot for a 8.5 months old boy as he only drinks 30ml water at a time!
Do I have to order some aethuse cynpium at the same time as my boy is intolerant to co's milk and goat's milk formula? If so, do i go for alcohol or disttuled water base?thx dr joe!
[message edited by Welie3 on Thu, 28 Mar 2013 00:22:22 GMT]
 
Welie3 7 years ago
DO NOT ORDER the Nat Phos spray which I DID NOT PRESCRIBE.
I did not also prescribe the Combo Cell Salt you listed.

If you wish to experiment with Homeopathic remedies which you do not have any knowledge about, please leave me out of your experiments.

You must know that your efforts to help your baby can backfire with unpleasant results.

For the record, I shall copy below my therapy for Baby GERD again to keep you advised of the remedies that I have prescribed which many mothers are using successfully to help their babies to overcome GERD which causes them to spit up their feed:

The remedies that have proved to be very effective for Baby GERD are:

Nat Phos 6x dose half tablet dissolved in milk given immediately after a feed.

The Wet dose of any Homeopathic remedy is made as follows:

Order the remedy in the Liquid pack in Alcohol, also referred to as Liquid Dilution in a bottle preferably with a dropper arrangement.
Get a 500ml bottle of Spring Water from the nearest supermarket.
Pour out about 3cm of water from the bottle to leave some airspace.
Insert 3 drops of the remedy into the bottle and shake the bottle hard at least 6 times before you sip a capfull of the bottle or a large teaspoonful which is the dose.
Shaking the bottle hard is homeopathic succussion and this enhances the effect of the remedy on the user.


You will STOP all other drugs prescribed for baby which as you have already seen have not done any good.

Please confirm that you burp baby immediately after each feed.

You will avoid eating all food that can cause any distress to baby.You must know that they are passed on to baby through your breast milk.

You (the mother) will take Nat Phos 6x dose 2 tablets after each of 3 meals daily and Arnica 30c in the Wet dose taken twice daily. The idea is that your milk will pass the effect to baby. You may like to know that this remedy will also help to reduce your weight by 1kg per week very safely.

Report progress in 24 hours and as often as you wish on this thread .
[message edited by Joe De Livera on Thu, 28 Mar 2013 02:33:18 GMT]
 
Joe De Livera 7 years ago
Thank you for your confirmation Dr Joe, ordering the tablet form of nat phos now.How much Arnica 30c in the Wet dose to give to my baby? and how much to myself if needed?
 
Welie3 7 years ago
The Arnica 30c is for you and NOT for baby.

When you take it the effect will be passed over to baby in your breast milk.
 
Joe De Livera 7 years ago
Hello Dr Joe, I got that, both Nat Phos 6x dose 2 tablets after each of 3 meals daily and Arnica 30c in the Wet dose taken twice daily are for me to take.
I have recently cut down nursing to 3 breastfeeds during the day, after baby's 3 solid meals. But he still gets 2 breastfeed at night. Is this enough intake for the Nat Phos 6x to be effective?thx

I just bought this brand and was told it is Nat Phos 6x but i just read packaging it says nat phos,butvnot sure if its Nat Phos 6x .can u plz advise if I got the right one? http://www.martinandpleasance.com/products/nat-phos-acid-neu....
[message edited by Welie3 on Thu, 28 Mar 2013 04:23:41 GMT]
 
Welie3 7 years ago
Please confirm that you are giving baby half tablet Nat Phos 6x after every feed.

The brand you listed is OK.
 
Joe De Livera 7 years ago
Dr joe,I didn't give it to the baby yet, I thought it is for me to take as I am breastfeeding?i hav some major disagreement with my husband as he insisted on giving him losec until he settles a bit.i took nat phos anyway, which helped to ease my reflux pain after dinner ! Baby had a peaceful night but today seems fussy and naps are awkward ! Screams pretty hard after 40 min of naps, did a lot of things(holding and patting,taking off sleeping bag, opening the curtains & etc) which didnt help . I ended up nursing him on both side and he sleeps again . I heard one reflux sound after 2 min I put him down(no burp out after feeding), this didnt not wake him up but he screamed one second.then he slept for another two hours which is awesome!but he fight his naps and woke up 5 mins after asleep.despite the unusual sleep patterns And screaming , he seems happier at solid meals but still doesn't take a lot. I know my husband is complicating things but plz give me some more advice!
 
Welie3 7 years ago
Hav to mention that he has been having constipation problem and he pooped a hard ball yesterday and no more poop since then. He pushed hard with flush face several times a day but nothing came out
 
Welie3 7 years ago
Losec is Omeprazole, the PPI drug which is the bane of babies.

Pediatricians are ordered to prescribe it with other PPI's for babies as they do not know, or they refust to accept that the Homeopathic remedy, Nat Phos 6x is by far more effective, and what is more, absolutely safe for babies and adults to treat GERD. Big Pharma is not concerned with the after effects of Losec on the patient as they make their money on this drug which does help to settle GERD, but at what cost? It invariably causes constipation and you already know the result. It causes a vicious circle as it prevents the release of acid which is essential for digestion for babies and adults. You have already enjoyed the benefits of the Nat Phos 6x yourself as you have confirmed. It has filtered, as I predicted, through your breast milk to baby who has responded with lesser reflux. I hope that you know that it will also reduce your weight by 1kg per WEEK. Check it and confirm.

You will have to make up your mind whether or not you wish to harm your baby with the Losec or in the alternative to use the Nat Phos 6x half tablet to settle his GERD which can occur almost instantly after the next feed.

You might request your husband to keep out of this problem in your baby's interest.
 
Joe De Livera 7 years ago
Thx dr joe, if we are stopping losec today, do I give him half tab of nat phos right after feed and while I take 6 tabs of it as well a day? Or do I just allow it to pass through my milk ? Today, my bowl movement is great . I have constipation since I was pregnant. Baby had a bowl motion as well but still like balls.today, I feel hungry one hour before lunch and then resulted in slight heart burn so i took two tab of bat phos before lunch.I also feel slight heart burn, a bit like hungry two hours after my lunch when I lie down to rest. Can u plz adive whether I should have 300ml arnica 30c wet dose to settle it?
 
Welie3 7 years ago
'Can u plz adive whether I should have 300ml arnica 30c wet dose to settle it?'

You will NOT take 300ml Arnica 30c.
I did not prescribe it and it will NOT settle anything.

I believe that you are suffering from which is commonly known as 'Hunger Pains' which is caused by your gastric juice digesting the inner wall of your stomach. The simple solution is to eat a biscuit or preferably some fruit like a banana to prevent the gastric juice from eroding the stomach internally.

I note that you are reluctant to give baby HALF tablet of Nat Phos 6x. Yet you have given him many tablets of the poison Losec which as you have seen has NOT helped baby and is causing so much unnecessary distress. I just cannot understand your mind.

My instructions are clear and you will please read them again in my first response to your post requesting help.

Give baby half tablet after every feed till his digestive process is stabilised which should occur in a few days.

Please note that I am only fighting you and your husband for the sake of your baby who has been subjected to so much abuse by your paediatricians and whom I am hoping to CURE of his Gastric distress.
 
Joe De Livera 7 years ago
Thx dr joe, purswading my husband and offer my boy nat phos along with me taking it.sorry I missinderstood that giving half tab of nat phos after a feed is only for bottle feeding babies
 
Welie3 7 years ago
Dr joe, just would like to say thank u! My boy is now happily eating his meal without crying finally ! His sleep is still quite erratic , ESP at night, he wakes up two to three hourly f, most of the time he wants a breastfeed . It might be habit or it might be the hunger pain that I was suffering ? My boy is now napping and he had his first time going down with out a fuss!by the way, we have cut down losec !i am very appreciated!
 
Welie3 7 years ago
Glad to note that you have finally seen the light.

Yet you state:

'by the way, we have cut down losec !i am very appreciated!'

Do I understand that you do still give him a tablet of LOSEC?

Also for how long have you given him this POISON?
[message edited by Joe De Livera on Mon, 01 Apr 2013 05:56:11 BST]
 
Joe De Livera 7 years ago

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