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ACNE responds in just 2 DAYS to "Joepathy"

I am copying the conversations I had with Jenny just 2 days ago on my website:
http://www.joedelivera.com/?p=699
when she consulted me about her Acne and was pleasantly surprised to have a post from her a short while ago where she states:

“I am so happy to see that all my acne have started to dry off. The pain is gone.The big pimples have started to shrink.”

I predicted that she should discover some relief in 3 days on August 24, but this was updated by a day:
'“I would appreciate if you will please report your progress as soon as you discover your acne drying up as patients have reported that they did so on the third day after their first dose of Arnica 6c.”'

August 24, 2014 at 12:54 AM (Edit)
Sir
I am 37 years old. I have been having acne since march this year.It started as small sand grain like pimples.But now I get very big ones which scar and looks like keloid. But it is interesting to note that the pimples are mostly on the right cheek and only a very few are on the left. I have taken antibiotics and used topical creams to no use. Also I changed my soap. I have a little oily skin which was clear. I have never had acne all through life. Now I am using cetaphil soap. I just came across your website today and was so glad you are patiently treating so many people. I believe that you can help me with my problem too. Awaiting your earliest reply as I am totally depressed of my acne.

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• Joe says:
August 24, 2014 at 7:40 AM (Edit)
I shall copy my default therapy for Acne which I hope can help you.

The remedy that has helped many is Arnica 6c in the Wet dose taken twice daily orally, and also applied directly on the lesions on the face as often as is possible, to keep the lesions damp.

It is essential that the patient continues to take just one dose of Arnica 6c nightly just before bed for at least 6 months after the problem has been resolved as there is every chance that the lesions can return otherwise.

Use a spray device in which the medicated water can be stored and be sprayed on the acne lesions or the eyelids without directly touching them.

You will not take any drugs when you start my therapy.

The Wet dose of any Homeopathic remedy is made as follows:

Order the remedy in a 5ml Alcohol pack aka Liquid Dilution in a bottle with a dropper arrangement.
Get a 500ml bottle of Spring Water from the nearest supermarket.
Pour out about 3cm of water from the bottle to leave some airspace.
Insert 3 drops of the remedy into the bottle and shake it hard to produce bubbles. This is homeopathic succussion and must be done every time before a capful of the bottle which is the dose is taken as directed.

Do not use Coffee, Cola beverages, preserved foods like sausages, ham and bacon as they contain Saltpeter.

Please post your response to the Arnica therapy in a week.

I am copying the conversation that Jenny had with me over the last 2 days and I was gratified to have her post today that she
• Jenny says:
August 24, 2014 at 8:34 AM (Edit)
Thankyou very much sir. Is it ok to use soap on the face during the therapy ? If so could you please suggest.

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• Joe says:
August 24, 2014 at 10:39 AM (Edit)
You may use any mild soap when washing your face as you should discover in under a week that your lesions will stabilize.

I would appreciate if you will please report your progress as soon as you discover your acne drying up as patients have reported that they did so on the third day after their first dose of Arnica 6c.

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• Jenny says:
August 24, 2014 at 11:04 AM (Edit)
Yes sir. I will report the progress. And I will also continue using the same soap Cetaphil which I am using now.
Thankyou for being so kind as to reply immediately.

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Submitted on 2014/08/26 at 1:36 PM
Sir
I have been using arnica 6c wetdose two days now.. according to your advice. And I am so happy to see that all my acne have started to dry off. The pain is gone.The big pimples have started to shrink. Thankyou so very much sir. I have been spraying the wetdose on my face too. But today I could not do so.. as I had to go to work. And I also put powder on my face today. Maybe because of that…one or two pimples have flared up a bit now in the afternoon compared to how it was in the morning. Should I stop using talcum powder on my face ? And is it ok if I spray the medicine in the morning and evening alone ? Please could you advice.

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• Joe says:
August 26, 2014 at 2:17 PM (Edit)
Thank you for keeping me informed of the progress of your Acne which I predicted should respond in under a week.
“I would appreciate if you will please report your progress as soon as you discover your acne drying up as patients have reported that they did so on the third day after their first dose of Arnica 6c.”

You will not be aware that this CURE of Acne using Arnica 6c in the Wet dose is not the therapy that classical Homeopaths will prescribe as they have been trained to do so after a series of questions which are largely irrelevant and their classically identified remedy does not usually work.

I hope that this cure of Acne with my therapy aka “Joepathy” will be used by other Homeopaths who may happen to read this thread.

If they do, I would appreciate their feedback.
 
  Joe De Livera on 2014-08-26
This is just a forum. Assume posts are not from medical professionals.
I did a casual search of the Archives of the ABC on 'Acne' and discovered what I believe is my first case of CURE of Acne way back in May 2006.

This may be of interest to our group of Homeopaths who will note that even as far back as 2006 I had discovered that my therapy which some of the diehard classical types had labelled 'Joepathy' did in fact work in a manner that defied the classical protocol, and CURED many ailments that patients submitted on the ABC and other Homeopathic Forums.
 
Joe De Livera 5 years ago
I have inadvertently omitted to record the link to my first post on Acne dated 14 April 2006 which I now copy below:

http://www.abchomeopathy.com/forum2.php/57895/
 
Joe De Livera 5 years ago
Acne will 'respond' to tons of remedies. Was it cured? I was not able to see that in the posts.
 
fitness 5 years ago
To Fitness and David
You (Fitness) stated:
'Acne will 'respond' to tons of remedies. Was it cured? I was not able to see that in the posts.'

I have no doubt that there are 'tons' of remedies that are used to treat Acne but can you name just ONE that will help the patient in just 48 hours?
Have either of you two 'classical' homeopaths ever prescribed Arnica 6c to treat a case of Acne?

I do not believe in having the patient run around the proverbial bush wasting precious time in prescribing one 'classical' remedy followed by another. Jenny consulted me and I prescribed the ONE remedy I had discovered over 20 years ago, that will first help and later CURE her Acne which I had prescribed even as far back as 2006 on the ABC. I predicted that this CURE may take up to a week but she reported that her lesions had dried up in under 48 hours.

Here is Jenny's latest post dated August 28 which will answer your question.

New comment on your post 'ACNE responds in just 2 DAYS to 'Joepathy''
Date: August 28 2014
Author : Jenny
Comment:
Sir
Except for 2 or 3 big pimples all the rest of the acne have vanished.
But as I am having dandruff I guess these acne flares up when the sweat runs down from my head to my face. So ..do I have to do something about this sir ? But I feel greatly relieved now and I somehow trust that this joepathy would help me get completely cured of all acne and the keloids too. Wish I knew about you earlier so that the acne wouldnt have become so bad...and I wouldn't have had all these ugly scars. Anyways..God bless you sir for the wonderful service you are rendering. Thankyou.

Any 'classical' comments?
 
Joe De Livera 5 years ago
Maybe in a month's time we will know if it was curative or suppressive.
 
fitness 5 years ago
Classical Comments:

Firstly, that isn't cure. She still has acne, so cure is not complete. Show a report of this patient in 2 months, to see what state the acne is in then.

In fact, as I have asked on another thread, please show a properly followed case over a longer period of time so see if such 'cures' actually remain in place.

Secondly, the PATIENT is not cured. This is a more important point. She still has keloids, and she still has dandruff. When all of her complaints are gone, then you can pronounce this case cured. Homoeopathy cures PATIENTS not just symptoms. If you cannot cure the patient, any result you are having is INFERIOR to homoeopathy.

It is very easy to redefine cure any way you want, and then make the kinds of claims you are making. I have seen certain 'homoeopaths' make all sorts of claims of cure based on very shaky ideas of what 'cure' is.

I requested on another thread that you show cases that displayed the characteristics of CURE as set out by homoeopathy. These are the kinds of cures we get, so to show your method is either comparable or even superior as you claim, you should be able to achieve the same. I will quote my post in http://www.abchomeopathy.com/forum2.php/314216/4 where I set out the conditions of cure.


'What I would like to see are cases that are followed over a longer period, with evidence that the patient not only remained well, but was not left with uncured symptoms nor went on to develop any new diseases. Do you have many of those?

Cure in homoeopathy does not leave some symptoms behind, or does it need to be constantly maintained by frequent dosing. A cured disease is not replaced by a new one that is equally or more serious. Cure in homoeopathy does not show a shift of symptoms from one area to a deeper one (skin --> organ, local --> mental etc.).

I am not suggesting you never cure anyone. You are using our medicines, with indications taken from our literature. Of course you will get some cures - homoeopathy's reputation is built on indications just like those. I too have used Nat-phos for some cases of GERD, Arg-met for some cases of arthritis, Arnica for some cases of insomnia, Nux-vomica for digestive complaints.

So I would like to see a number of cases where you gave a remedy on the basis of the name of the condition ie. GERD, and the following conditions were also true.

1. The patient did not have any uncured symptoms left behind.
2. The patient did not need constant dosing to maintain their health (dependence on a medicine).
3. The patient did not later go on to develop either a more serious disease, or redevelop the old disease but in a more serious fashion.
4. The patient did experience relief of their physical symptoms but ALSO experienced a general feeling of well-being (mental, emotional, general).
5. The patient did experience relief of their physical symptoms but did not then begin to feel worse in their mental, emotional or general levels.
6. There is follow up with the patient for several months so that the above conditions can be seen and met.

I could not find any such cases when I looked through your website, which you directed me to.

For me to be convinced that I am looking at a viable method of cure, I would like to see longer cases, ones over a significant period of time, where the direction of their progress can be clearly seen. A few days, even a few weeks, is not enough to verify that a patient has been cured of a chronic complaint.'

So perhaps now you can have a look through your cases and show some examples where this happened.

It would help to have a fully taken case so that these conditions can be clearly seen. A fully taken case will show various mental, general, emotional and physical characteristics so that cure can be measured across the ENTIRE case not just one small part of it.
[message edited by Evocationer on Fri, 29 Aug 2014 03:29:53 BST]
 
Evocationer 5 years ago
Very well said Evocationer.
 
fitness 5 years ago
Hi Fitness,

I updated my post a bit as I felt a few things needed to be added or clarified.

Mr De Livera I am happy to have a debate here, but I am NOT willing to endure personal attacks. We can oppose each other's ideas, but please do not resort to name-calling or comments about me as a person.

I would also appreciate it if you stopped calling me by my first name, as if you know me. Considering you find it offensive for someone to do to you, I can only assume it is an insult. You may call me Mr Kempson or just use my forum name.
 
Evocationer 5 years ago
I have no objection to address you as Mr Kempson if you so desire.
You may remember however that we were on first name basis when you first posted on the ABC till you first started to criticize my Joepathy which had been a part of the ABC since the early days of the 21st Century when it was first established by its owner Simon Broadley. I was one of the first contributors to the ABC which was at that time the first Homeopathic Forum.

I would like to place on record that I strongly resent your supercilious attitude in labeling Homeopathic remedies with the Royal prerogative:
'Our medicines, Our literature'.
I am strongly of opinion that it is time that upstarts like you are put in your place and taught that no one in the whole world has the right to assume ownership of Homeopathic remedies which are marketed and used in almost country in the world by millions of people.

As you are aware Homeopathy was born long before both you and me, and I refuse to allow you to seemingly monopolize these medicines which obviously do not belong to you and there is absolutely no question of your implying that they must only be used under your 'royal edict'.

I have proved otherwise with my Joepathy which was born , used and prescribed, perhaps before you were.

I refuse to take up your challenge unless you confirm that you will never refer to Homeopathic remedies, at least in any future debate I may feature in with you, under the royal 'OUR' title.

You have issued a 10 point challenge to me to give you chapter and verse of cases I have treated and CURED with my Joepathy.

Before I do so, and although this will take a lot of my precious time to oblige you, I have to request you to give me 10 cases which have been CURED by you on the basis of the conditions that you stipulated with your own classical version of 'Davidopathy' on the ABC.
 
Joe De Livera 5 years ago
There is no such thing as 'Davidopathy' and it is an insulting term. I practice homoeopathy with reasonable competence and I am quite proud of that, since it is quite a difficult profession even to do just passably. I am not a master, I continue to learn and grow as a practitioner.

I don't call what you do 'joepathy' - other people obviously did and now you hold that name proudly for some bizarre reason. I have told you before what I believe you are - an allopath. I only ever call what you do allopathy.

Personal attacks again I see. No ability to simply argue the points then?

The medicines, and the literature, are 'ours' as homoeopaths, not 'yours' as an allopath. When you use them they become something else - the use of 'our' is deliberate on my part to differentiate homoeopathy from your allopathy. Homoeopaths and allopaths have always been 'us' and 'them'. The two camps have always been in conflict.

Here is a list of links to a variety of cured cases I have presented on forums over the years. I dug up 15 for good measure.

http://forums.hpathy.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=11921&KW=&a...

http://forums.hpathy.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=9848&KW=&am...

http://forums.hpathy.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=10218&KW=&a...

http://forums.hpathy.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=11619&KW=&a...

http://www.homeopathyworldcommunity.com/forum/topics/a-case-...

http://www.homeopathyworldcommunity.com/forum/topics/a-case-...

http://forums.hpathy.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=11054&KW=&a...

http://forums.hpathy.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=11516&KW=&a...

http://forums.hpathy.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=10244&KW=&a...

http://forums.hpathy.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=10940&KW=&a...

http://forums.hpathy.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=11101&KW=&a...

http://forums.hpathy.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=9740&KW=&am...

http://forums.hpathy.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=9743&KW=&am...

http://forums.hpathy.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=9741&KW=&am...

http://forums.hpathy.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=9737&KW=&am....
[message edited by Evocationer on Fri, 29 Aug 2014 13:45:05 BST]
 
Evocationer 5 years ago
Evocationer, may I suggest to conserve your energy & sanity by not arguing with Joe as he has his views which he is unwilling to budge from.

I find there are numerous cases here which will definitely benefit from your expertise instead of you wasting your time with Joe.

I have found the balance by registering my comments on his blanket Arnica or Nat-P treatments so that anyone reading them should know the real story. If we don't give the side of real homeopathy, the only thing people will see is Joe's side.

May I repeat myself, anyone reading your posts alone on how you reached a remedy will learn the art & science of prescribing. Please keep doing that when & if time permits you, it has clarified many a things for me too. God bless you.
 
fitness 5 years ago
To Mr Kempson and Fitness.

I shall be away from Colombo for a few days and shall deal with both your posts after my return.
 
Joe De Livera 5 years ago
To Mr Kempson

Here is what I clearly stated in my last post to you:

'I refuse to take up your challenge unless you confirm that you will never refer to Homeopathic remedies, at least in any future debate I may feature in with you, using the royal 'OUR' prerogative.'

This is your response:

'The medicines, and the literature, are 'ours' as homoeopaths, not 'yours' as an allopath. When you use them they become something else - the use of 'our' is deliberate on my part to differentiate homoeopathy from your allopathy. Homoeopaths and allopaths have always been 'us' and 'them'. The two camps have always been in conflict.'

How dare you state that I am an 'allopath' when I prescribe standard Homeopathic remedies available throughout the world to help patients? This statement just gives in insight into your sick mind which will finally lead you to disaster in the manner that it did in the case of another of my classical detractors who met with a sticky end.

You state:
'Homoeopaths and allopaths have always been 'us' and 'them'. The two camps have always been in conflict.' I am interested to note how you continue to maintain this falsehood which I presume you do as you were one of the 'brainwashers' during your tenure at your university of which I do not have any proof.

This same controversy has come down from Hahnemann's days and I firmly believe that this is the real reason for the DEATH OF HOMEOPATHY as students are BRAINWASHED into believing and accepting your own classical viewpoint that it is only by following the protocol you believe in of treating the 'Symptoms that the patient presents with a SINGLE remedy' that s/he can be saved.

It is just that I REFUSE to accept in this falsehood that was the root cause of my argument with you which arose some years before your accident which I note seems to have given you added strength to intensify your Orthodox classical viewpoint which you now wish to spread on the ABC instead of thanking God that you were saved and given a new lease of life to help suffering humanity, like me. In my case I do so as you may know free of charge and I do even give the remedy/ies to the patient if s/he consults me in Sri Lanka where I live. The Banerji Foundation too treats over 1500 patients daily free of charge.

I have always maintained that it is not the method adopted by the consultant that matters but that it is the CURE itself. If it was only I that am the sole exponent of the 'This for That' therapy in the whole world, I may have reluctantly permitted you to do so. I have on previous occasions clearly indicated to you that the Drs Banerji who are Internationally recognized for their work in their Homeopathic Foundation in Kolkata also use the same protocol to treat their patients and reference to their website and also my dialog with their students amply testify to the fact that they did originally use the classical protocol but discovered that it was not giving the results they expected. They treat over 1500 patients on a daily basis and they could not possibly use the classical protocol to do so as it was only time consuming and giving results which were by far, less effective than their own therapy which is parallel to my own Joepathy. It was then that they opted to use what they considered was the obvious answer to their problem and changed from the classical method to the 'This for That' which they now use and share with anyone who is prepared to listen and hopefully accept that there are many ways to 'Skin the Cat'.
 
Joe De Livera 5 years ago
I state you are an allopath because you are. You do not use the symptoms of the patient to prescribe, you use the diagnostic label. That is the definition of allopathy (to use something other than the similarity). You can take that however you want, but it doesn't change the truth of it.

There is no death of homoeopathy. It is alive and flourishing. Systems which exist only because of one person, that are only maintained by the efforts of one person, rely on the presence of one person - they die off. Homoeopathy is spread too far and wide to die.

Traditional homoeopathy saved my life. I certainly thank my homoeopath for that, and I am grateful I found someone who could apply the principles strictly and efficiently to do so. In fact she was one of the students I taught many years ago. Single medicine, given in small doses, based on the whole case with emphasis on the peculiars. It has done nothing but reinforce my belief and confidence in the principles in the Organon and how important it is to be guided by them.

I see that rather than offering proof of your own cured cases, even after I offered many of my own, you continue to huff and puff.

So my various points stand uncontested, as usual in any argument we have. I wonder if you even bother to actually retype your responses. It seems like you cut and paste the same old things over and over. There is never any actual debate - I believe because you don't have the knowledge to debate the points. You rarely display any ability to use knowledge to defend your statements, you merely repeat things you have heard or been told. You offer no challenge at all.

I will remind you that YOU started this post and asked for comments. It is a shame that you have no real response to any argument made.

Lots of huffing and puffing. That is what these 'debates' amount to from your side of it.
[message edited by Evocationer on Mon, 01 Sep 2014 13:14:50 BST]
 
Evocationer 5 years ago
You have failed to note that I am NOT the only exponent of my 'This for That' protocol in treating patients. I have recounted on many occasions in the past that the Banerji Protocol is identical to mine and they are all qualified Homeopathic Physicians unlike me, who decided to migrate away from the strict homeopathic protocol when they discovered that it did not serve to CURE their patients.

Here is what I stated in my last post to you:
'I have always maintained that it is not the method adopted by the consultant that matters but that it is the CURE itself. If it was only I that am the sole exponent of the 'This for That' therapy in the whole world, I may have reluctantly permitted you to do so. I have on previous occasions clearly indicated to you that the Drs Banerji who are Internationally recognized for their work in their Homeopathic Foundation in Kolkata also use the same protocol to treat their patients and reference to their website and also my dialog with their students amply testify to the fact that they did originally use the classical protocol but discovered that it was not giving the results they expected. They treat over 1500 patients on a daily basis and they could not possibly use the classical protocol to do so as it was only time consuming and giving results which were by far, less effective than their own therapy which is parallel to my own Joepathy. It was then that they opted to use what they considered was the obvious answer to their problem and changed from the classical method to the 'This for That' which they now use and share with anyone who is prepared to listen and hopefully accept that there are many ways to 'Skin the Cat'.'

Your arrogant and belligerent attitude is indeed characteristic of your addled mind which seems to have suffered even more after your accident and you will remember that I prescribed Lycopodium many years ago to help your brain to overcome your instinct to jump the gun which Boericke expressed succinctly in his paragraph on Mind:

'Mind.--Melancholy; afraid to be alone. Little things annoy, Extremely sensitive. Averse to undertaking new things. Head strong and haughty when sick. Loss of self-confidence. Hurried when eating. Constant fear of breaking down under stress. Apprehensive. Weak memory, confused thoughts; spells or writes wrong words and syllables. Failing brain-power (Anac; Phos; Baryt). Cannot bear to see anything new. Cannot read what he writes. Sadness in morning on awaking.'

If you read this quote after you have cooled down from your anger which you are suffering from right now, you will see how precisely his prescription fits your case. There is no question of my 'huffing and puffing' as you put it. I am only stating COLD HARD FACTS, which you just refuse to accept and true to Boericke's statement:
'Failing brain-power (Anac; Phos; Baryt). Cannot bear to see anything new. Cannot read what he writes. '

Please do not insult me in insinuating that I have to resort only to copying and pasting my argument which you may like to know I did a few hours ago when I had the time to do so after I returned from a short holiday out of Colombo where I live.

Please await the results as related by the patient Jenny herself before you jump the gun again. You must know that I was delighted by her first response to my therapy where she confirmed that in just 2 DAYS she discovered a vast improvement in her Acne. She has again posted that this improvement continues and I will treat her Dandruff in due course.

Please await the next episode to my record of CURE of this case which I shall copy in due course.
 
Joe De Livera 5 years ago
2 days is not meaningful. It is especially not meaningful when you use a palliative or suppressive therapy as I believe you do. Considering how long you have been supposedly 'practicing' you should have thousands of cases at hand to present. Lets see a couple of them?

Your extremely limited knowledge of our medicines does not give me much confidence in your 'prescription' for me, thank you all the same. While it is amusing to see you publically making such an attempt, it is also offensive to see you using information that SHOULD be used for healing as a way to belittle me.

I know you will never be the kind of opponent that will genuinely challenge me. I know these 'debates' won't change your bizarre and disrespectful attitude to my profession or to me personally. I continue to oppose your statements because of all the people I see being fooled by your rhetoric, as I do anywhere I see this being done in relation to homoeopathy.
 
Evocationer 5 years ago
So anyway name-calling aside, let's get back to what apparently was the original purpose of this post. You invited comments from the classical prescribers on what you classified as cure of this patient.

Obviously this case is not appropriate for confirming that you have 'cured' the acne, because not enough time has passed to judge that. Acne naturally has cycles anyway, so there can be quiet periods for any patient's acne.

Apart from that, because medicines given for only one symptom (not given for the whole state) can actually palliate or suppress those symptoms, the best way to tell if there has been genuine cure is if you examine the patient over a longer period of time. As a general rule, if a case is to be presented as cured in a homoeopathic journal or seminar, we would actually want to see follow up over 1-2 years. This would of course depend on what kind of condition was being treated - clearly you can consider an acute cured in a much shorter space of time.

If it has not been suppressed, then nothing else in the case should get worse. If it has not been palliated, then it shouldn't come back exactly as it did before (or worse than it did before).

One of the differences between what you do and what I do, is that I attempt to treat and therefor cure the whole of the disease. As I stated in another post (and to which you gave no comment) there are significant advantages to approaching treatment this way.

1. There is no requirement for constant dosing of medicine, so that the patient can get on with their life without being still a 'patient undergoing treatment'. This is good for a person, for their morale, as it clearly signifies an end to their period of illness.

Creating dependence in a patient on a medicine is a poor outcome for them. Health must include the quality of self-sufficiency amongst other things (independence from the need for medical treatment).

2. You can be confident that the underlying disease is not being left to cause mischief and create new problems for the patient since you are applying a medicine to the whole state and not just part of it. If the whole state changes, this reduces the work a practitioner must do compared to chasing all the separate problems and prescribing for those. Of course from our perspective it results in a better more stable cure as well.

3. Since classical homoeopathy examines the mental and emotional state as well as the physical, you can expect to see improvement there as well, which vastly improves the quality of their life in many ways. 'Curing' someone's arthritis but leaving them depressed is not what homoeopath's consider cure (and frankly nor do patients once they realise an alternative is possible).

4. When you break this chronic pattern of disease (represented by the TOTALITY over a person's lifetime) you can buffer that person against more serious problems in the future, AND you can prevent them from passing this pattern on to their children and grandchildren. The ability to recognize and quieten (if not eliminate) the MIASM in a person is a major advantage to homoeopathy.

So why don't you offer your opinion or comments on the POINTS I make in these posts instead of diverging off into a rant about how much you don't like me or how jealous I am of you and the rest of this nonsense. Children act that way - not adults.

In doing so, let's place some ground rules for holding an actual discussion/debate. I've set these before and you have ignored them, but we can try again.

1. Don't comment on me personally, on my history, on my medical history, on my mental state, on my mental health. Keep your discussion to the points being discussed. My life is NOT open to discussion with you, not ever.

2. Don't imply that I am sick which is the only reason I could possibly be arguing with you. Despite my doubts about your own mental stability, I think neither of us can possibly know anything real about someone's mental health here, as we are only words on an internet forum to each other. Since you are not a qualified health professional of any sort, making a diagnosis of any sort is ludicrous.

3. Don't use other practitioners' experience as proof for your own statements. Use your own observations. I am not discussing anything with the Bannerjis or the doctors that work under them. So tell me what YOU have seen, what YOU have experienced, what YOU think. It would be helpful if you can actually explain WHY you think it too rather than just referencing the fact that you think other people do it so that makes it right. I don't accept that from people quoting the Organon either. SHOW me you understand something, otherwise what is the point of arguing at all?

You don't work for the Bannerji Foundation, you don't work with them, and they have never mentioned you. They do not use your protocols and so cannot be used to prove that such protocols work. They actually do something fairly different to you, which is to use specific pairs of remedies given on the basis of a medical diagnosis done through testing. Medical testing is also done to assess the progress of the case.

4. I don't feel that name-dropping is a particularly constructive way to run a debate. I don't particularly care who you say you know. Stop associating yourself with other famous practitioners as if this somehow imbues your words with importance. I will judge your statements on the basis of how much sense they make, and based on what you are able to offer as proof. If you must keep mentioning the doctors Bannerji, then show me some of their theories and philosophy, if you agree with it or it justifies your actions.

Associating yourself with their success in no way shows me that you have similar success. Even if I accept that what they are doing is equal to traditional homoeopathy, their success in no way proves that you are having similar success. I would have an issue with a classical homoeopath using the successes of, say George Vithoulkas, as proof that they themselves are curing patients just because they have met him.

I am sure I will think of more as you continue to act the way you do, but we can start with those.
 
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