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want to antidote agnus caustus and acid phos

Sir please guide and help antidote agnus caustus and acid phos.

I took these 2 medicine in 50 m and cm potency and in frequently Repeated dosage.

Acid phos around 1 year ago.
agnus castus 7 to 8 months ago.

the symptoms i think belong to after usage of acid phos is painless cracking or clicking of all joints.even feet and hands fingers crack when i close them Or on movement And cold feet...

The symptoms i think belong to agnus castus too much pressure in jaw.i am forced to grind the back part of teeth.

I beleive in homeopathy.i have othere symptoms too.but those are old one.these two things came after use of these two remedies.i used it too frequently in wrong way.it was my mistake.

Sir plz guide to subside these two thing.i am unable to find any antidote of agnus caustus.
Second for acid phos i tried coffea and staphysagria.
  homeopathy8716 on 2015-04-19
This is just a forum. Assume posts are not from medical professionals.
That isn't how antidoting is done in homoeopathy.

Firstly, two remedies do not exist in your body separately at the same time. You don't need to antidote each one. You only have one vital force, and this is what is now out of balance (I would assume) because of the remedies. If there was any reaction to the second remedy, then it has overwritten the first one, and you do not need to, in fact you cannot, antidote the first one.

Secondly, you cannot antidote a remedy that you took 7-8 months ago. Our medicines have extremely short durations - minutes, hours, days in most cases. Sensitive patients *might* remain in this artificially created disease state for a few weeks, although this is quite rare. Any current symptoms you have are now yours, regardless of what started them. Once grafted on to your vital force, you have treat them as if they are your own natural symptoms.

Thirdly, we do not (at least with any consistent or reasonable success) provide one of a standard list of remedies to try and neutralize the bad effects of another. The specific symptoms, including the generals and mentals current in the case, are used to establish a picture (totality) and a remedy is given on this basis. These are the instructions in the Organon of Medicine. In other words, you treat homoeopathically, using the same rules, guidelines and philosophy that you would use for any other situation.

So in your case, the whole case is taken, new and old symptoms, and a single remedy given based on that. This will (in fact must) cure the whole state.

If you keep taking yet more remedies which are not indicated, you run the risk of grafting yet more symptoms on to your vital energy.
Evocationer 8 years ago
Hi.with full respect on some points i do not agree.

There Is one vital force.if you mean by that one needs only one remedy at a time.it is wrong.one may need more than one remedies at a time.its in my own experience.

I am well aware that these remedies do not stay longer if given in low potency.But my potency selection was too high.

I have heard about lycopodium and lachesis that there provers had life lasting proving symptoms or little mild symptoms till the end of life.
So some people's say always beware about these remedies.

I do not wabt to debate.the purpUs to write here may be someone had experience about antidoting these remedies.Or can give an idea which one i can try.in materia medica i am unable to find Any thing about this.
homeopathy8716 8 years ago
Disagreement is fine with me - debate is always a good thing when it is done with respect :) In fact I love these discussions - it is easiest to refine your understanding when challenged on it. I don't get much opportunity to do it now - there aren't many homoeopaths on this forum any more. Used to be a lively place for such discussions.

I have been a professional homoeopath for a long while now. While there is always room for constant improvement and upgrading of our knowledge and skills (meaning we never know everything), this is something I am confident about. I have seen all kinds of ways people practice homoeopathy, even tried some of them out myself. However, I have never found the guidelines given by Hahnemann or of the great masters like Kent to lead me astray. In fact so often I have come back to them with more confidence if I have strayed. I am only giving you my experience from clinic - and not simply repeating what I have read or heard.

Law of the Single Remedy is a vital part of homoeopathic practice. Breaking this principle causes problems, both for the patient AND the practitioner who remains in doubt and confusion about which remedy acted, and which remedy aided or harmed. In fact it is management that is probably the main issue here - what worked, what didn't, what caused the symptom, what palliated, what suppressed, what do you repeat, what remedy needs to have its potency or dosage changed? It is hard, if not impossible to answer these questions when more than one remedy has been given at once. While I can see this isn't responsible for your current problem, you want to be careful using multiple remedies to try and fix it.

I think one problem here is that you are misunderstanding the term 'proving'. Provings do not last a lifetime. Provings by definition are short lasting - symptoms that last a life time are part of the person's chronic disease. Symptoms that are grafted on to the person's vital energy are NOT a proving.

There is also another consideration here - sometimes a remedy we takes has a palliative or suppressive effect, which causes new symptoms to arise. These symptoms are not proving symptoms at all, but the response of the vital force to a particular pathway being blocked. A new pathway is formed to relieve the internal pressure caused by our chronic disease.

It doesn't help that even in our own literature references are made to long term symptoms from poisons or remedies (Hering's paralysis of his arm by taking Lachesis over and over comes to mind) as 'provings'.

This is an important detail. This is important to differentiate because of the action that is taken. Based on your understanding of the problem, the solution will be different. It wouldn't be so bad if the solution was the same for both, but it isn't.

You can antidote a proving/primary action of a medicine. You cannot 'antidote' the secondary action of a medicine, which is the action of the vital force in RESPONSE to the medicine. At this stage, you can only use the symptoms to prescribe a medicine which matches the symptoms (homoeopathically).

Primary reactions are short lived, because the secondary reaction overrides them. It must - it is a basic law of nature for the vital force to respond to the impact of a medicinal substance. Once the secondary reaction has kicked in, there is no medicinal effect to be reversed. You can only treat the same way you must whenever the vital force reacts to something. The vital force will respond to any impact with its own blueprint for survival - some of it will be expected and appropriate, some will be strange and peculiar.

If caused by a remedy, or caused by being hit on the head, it does not matter. What matters is that the person themselves is now responsible for maintaining those symptoms. You cannot look at the remedy that caused the symptom to appear and expect to find an answer that way - this is not homoeopathy. Just as you do not look at 'hit on the head' in a list and prescribe on that. It is one thing, it is not individual, and it does not show the individual's reactions which are the main focus of homoeopathic prescribing.

People respond to a remedy in different ways. If you look at any proving, you will see different sets of symptoms appearing in provers. While they may have some symptoms in common (the defining features of the remedy) you will just as often see a prover show symptoms that no other participant shows. This is because each person has their own sensitivities and weaknesses which the remedy will exploit, thus creating a unique mix of common and peculiar remedy-related symptoms.

The remedies listed in the materia medicas will match the common themes/symptoms of the remedy you are looking at. However, since the remedy that is going to cure ANY situation will depend on the peculiars, you need to identify and match those to a remedy. This means this list will always be incomplete, as those peculiars may indicate remedies *never* recorded as being given as an antidote.

One of those remedies *may* still be suitable - but the longer the person has those symptoms the more likely it is that the vital force will alter them in accordance with its own qualities.

Being hit on the head might initially put you into an Arnica state. It does not turn you into Arnica for life. Eventually your vital force goes back to its usual strategy for managing symptoms and balancing of functions (survival). The same for any medicine, trauma, poison, or acute disease. This is because our chronic symptoms come from our miasm, the internal disease pattern which shapes every disease and complaint we have. It reshapes any symptoms we have. It does this with proving symptoms as well.

So all of this is why you cannot simply look up a remedy on a list and fix things. This never works for anything to do with homoeopathy. The principles don't change - they are always the same.
Evocationer 8 years ago

I think you missed his last paragraph,
where he said - " I don't want to debate."

To Homeopathy 8716-

If you have not tried Camphor you could write to Dr. Showrav
who is a homeopath in Dhaka. He is on here infrequently these
days. He has a protocol using Camphor Q, or he may be able
to offer you other advice on this. jashowrav At gmail dot com.
[message edited by simone717 on Tue, 21 Apr 2015 16:07:09 BST]
simone717 8 years ago
*shrug* it's a public forum. I relish these opportunities to discuss issues of philosophy and practice. Other people read these posts, so I hope that someone finds the discussion interesting.
Evocationer 8 years ago
Hello.yes debate is good but i am student.i am afraid to practice on others.when i do.do it with much care now.now i do not goes higher.always remain between 30 and 1000.and have good results.i practiced it on me and family.

sorry for my english i can not write well.

it is good to use a single remedy at a time . because in this way you do not becomes confuse.and in combination some time it works and some time not.

I used staphysagria and caladium togehter.mix them in a bottle because of time shortage.Because these two were closed to my symptom.

With no doubt i did well on it.then i wanted to know which one was it.i thought it is staphysagria because i know there is only one is working And why to use other without reason it may cause harm.so i used staphisagria alone.i relapesed.then i used cladium alone then again improvement.it was caladium.

now it is clear to me remedies works in combination too.if the remedy and combination is not wrong.

yes i know about the different between clinical symptoms and proving Symptoms.

Kent and hahnemann yes they are most reliable persons.i have heared that you find them exactly what they say.

If you want to judge someone use his few ideas on which he is most confident and experience it.if it works then may all work.if not then stop it will cause more harm than good.

it was nice talking to you.
homeopathy8716 8 years ago
Hi .simone thanks.i have tried in potentized form camphor in 200 few doses and also smelled vix 2 or three times for agnus castus.i think better to contact dr showrav.thanks again.
homeopathy8716 8 years ago

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