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Need input Re: Pellets to wet dosing for my patients

Hello All,

I've looked around on this site and tried to find the appropriate way to convert pellets to wet dosing. I seen where Dr. Joe De Livera mentions a liquid pack, but that's not what I'm working with right now and have the pellets. Curious about adding a 3 drops of alcohol to the spring water with the dissolving of the pellets? It seems that this is what he's talking about as I can find no specific products of this "liquid pack".

I have some patients that I'm not making the progress with acupuncture that I would like and would like to do wet dosing. I have one patient that I began on 30c Arnica TID but not really seeing any improvement. I'd like to convert this to wet dosing but unsure of the best way.

I have also seen that Argentum Metallicum 6c taken with but separate from Arnica 30c works well.

Any input would be greatly appreciated.
[Edited by emerson24 on 2018-02-08 05:59:13]
 
  emerson24 on 2018-02-08
This is just a forum. Assume posts are not from medical professionals.
Please take a look at sameer's cases and on some threads i have also used wet dose. Click the usernames to find the threads. Or you could try search.

It's not how one makes the wet dose that matters, rather the similarity of the remedy to the symptom profile is what matters the most.
[Edited by maheeru on 2018-02-09 18:13:52]
 
maheeru 6 years ago
Emerson: Answer lies in understanding "need" for a wet-dose. What exactly happens when you make a wet-dose? Why do you make it at all? In my opinion it is making a remedy more "palpable" than "dynamic". Let us discuss.
 
jawahar 6 years ago
One thing more:what exactly is a wet dose? How did it start? There are so many more experienced prescribers on this forum. They can throw some light.
 
jawahar 6 years ago
Hello Jawahar

I had a past post where i had talked about this wet dose in detail.

https://abchomeopathy.com/forum2.php/239654/0#p0

Please have a look.

It's basically a dosing method unlike dry invented to give the patient progressively increasing doses(with respect to dilution and strength) in water to make the dose gentle and potent so as the patient does not receive the same potency dose for the second time and the disease so as to speak is conquered with multiple doses(no same potency but in ascending series of slightly varying potency steps) with less aggravation.
 
maheeru 6 years ago
I am sorry you do not seem to be clear what you are wanting to know. Your link refers to methods of generating potencies. Pls tell me what is so great about WET dose? Define it first. Tell us why you consider it better? Share your understanding with us first. All remedies are available in liquid form.Do you call liquid remedy a wet dose?
 
jawahar 6 years ago
I'm not a homeopath, and I don't have the time to do that type of intake. I'm simply trying to use the more common remedies to see if I can improve their situation. Given that remedies are quite cheap in comparison to others, if it takes 6 remedies before acheiving results, then so be it, it's not an issue given that I am already doing other things to improve their back pain.
 
emerson24 6 years ago
emerson24

Liquid pack is liquid potency medicine---comes in 20% oral liquid medicine and 80% medicating potency---you need to choose the former. Instead of pellets you could use drops from this liquid medicine to add in water to prepare medicinal solution.

As far as the wet dose and it's efficacy and how it's prepared, i have given detailed information already.
 
maheeru 6 years ago
I am sorry but I have not come across wet dose concept anywhere with Clarke, Boenning, Herring,Lienthal etc Could anyone please give a source where I can learn. I agree with the concept of succussion. Are we confusing this with wet dose?
 
jawahar 6 years ago
Google - hahnemann LM and water potencies byRobin Murphy ND.
He is explaining what hahnemann said about this in the 5th and 6th organon.
[Edited by simone717 on 2018-02-13 15:29:15]
 
simone717 6 years ago
5th and 6th editions of organon are sources for wet dose. David little's website is one such authority that simplifies Hahnemann's works. Contemporary h'path like Dr. Luc De Schepper also uses wet doses widely.
 
maheeru 6 years ago
It comes from Dr. Joe DeLivera.

"The Wet dose of any Homeopathic remedy is made as follows:

Order the remedy in the Ethanol pack also referred to as Liquid Dilution in a bottle preferably with a dropper arrangement.
Get a 500ml bottle of Spring Water from the nearest supermarket.
Pour out about 3cm of water from the bottle to leave some airspace.
Insert 3 drops of the remedy into the bottle and shake the bottle hard at least 6 times before you sip a capfull of the bottle or a large teaspoonful which is the dose.
Shaking the bottle hard is homeopathic succussion and this enhances the effect of the remedy on the user."

Taken from his website. Also, he has many posts on this site. I've looked for this "liquid pack" and can't find it. So, I assumed it could be made by dissolving 4 pellets in 500ml's of water and adding 3 drops of alcohol, which is what I've done.
 
emerson24 6 years ago
FYI, Joe deLivera is not a doctor, people started calling him that over the years and eventually even well known homeopaths thought he was a "dr".
Joe is an 85 year old businessman in Sri Lanka , retired from the forum now,
But still talks to people on his website. He learned about wet dosing from dr.Luc visiting his area and by ethanol pack he just means a liquid remedy.
 
simone717 6 years ago
emerson24

I cannot but endorse simone717's post above word by word. As i said the wet dose originated with Hahnemann, founder of Homeopathy. Joe used this dose on this forum after learning it from Dr. Luc. The way you described is not the only way to use wet dose.

There are variations. Those can be found from my posts or from those who have used wet dose in their threads---Sameer, GaviniMurthy are some names. A search on this forum or on internet would answer all questions.
 
maheeru 6 years ago
Wow. Considering that I read one reply of his to an inquier who called him Joe and stated that only close friends and other colleagues call him Joe, and that he would not reply unless he was addressed properly - ie. as Dr. Joe. That's complete BS. And it's quite disappointing that this site and it's administrators would allow someone to portray themselves as a doctor when they are not. Incredulous.

That aside, is it appropriate to dissolve 4 pellets in water and add 3 drops of alcohol to replicate this mysterious "liquid pack" that I keep reading about but unable to find anywhere? No one seems to be able to answer this. I have read several replies to my question but still not one has addressed this. It's either can be effective or it can't. Based on the principles of homeopathy, and with increasing strenghts based on the 6 succussions before every dose, it seems a valid approach.
[Edited by emerson24 on 2018-02-14 20:33:16]
 
emerson24 6 years ago
Emerson24

You have got explanations already. I will do it again but please try to understand.

If you have pellets, you use them in place of drops. You move the drops to the water bottle and let dissolve. Adding alcohol is not mandatory but would be a preservative protecting the medicinal solution from going bad. But since you are bothered about it do add three drops of alcohol to the water bottle. Do everything ditto as mentioned in Joe's description if you have to, but just insert the pellets instead of ethanol liquid form remedy into the water. You can not replicate mysterious ethanol liquid medicine without appropriate resources but you can replicate the final product ---wet dose bottle using just pellets.

Just before the dose, ask the patient to do succussions. From the bottle patient will need to take doses.

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The forum clearly says at the top people responding here may not be medical professionals. Additionally how can any forum prevent a non-medical doctor pretending to be one? So you are better off assuming everyone here as a non-medical professional unless you confirm it yourself.

Besides people sometimes start to call the helpers/healers as doctors despite knowing them not to be just in gratitude. Then it gets picked up by search engine and gets reinforced.

Some people have bloated egos and want respect in some cases deserved and in some others undeserved----just leave it at that thinking what would you do if you meet one of their kind in real life.
[Edited by maheeru on 2018-02-14 22:34:36]
 
maheeru 6 years ago
Joe , as he got older, wanted people to address him in a more formal manner - meaning use his entire name or mr. Due to his age.
Joe never called himself a dr. There is a culture issue with India and
Pakistan, Bangladesh, where anyone who helps anyone gets called Doctor,
Asap, and it confuses western people. This forum was set up for discussion
And not a clinic. Doctor is not allowed as user names now, but you can see people still calling all kinds of people dr.

Btw- maybe something called ethanol pack is in Sri Lanka- what it is - is simply a liquid instead of pills. You can click this site " shop" at top of forum and click a remedy and see the options of pills or liquid. If in Europe go
To Helios homeo pharmacy and see all choices- Helios
Ships almost worldwide.
[Edited by simone717 on 2018-02-14 22:34:44]
 
simone717 6 years ago
Issue is not Joe but wet dose. I think answer lies in:
1. there are more bacteria in mouth than at most unclean places.
2. Why some doctors tell you to dissolve med under your tongue?
3. Make dose palpable than dynamic.
4. Indians and people like us, many people chew paan etc.
5. Strong scents. Now a days even beggars wear Deodorants.
In my opinion it is to avoid losing effect of the remedy due to these/such anti-remedy agents and then to also make it more palpable especially in urinary/urehra related affections.
 
jawahar 6 years ago
emerson24 said Wow. Considering that I read one reply of his to an inquier who called him Joe and stated that only close friends and other colleagues call him Joe, and that he would not reply unless he was addressed properly - ie. as Dr. Joe.

That aside, is it appropriate to dissolve 4 pellets in water and add 3 drops of alcohol to replicate this mysterious "liquid pack" that I keep reading about but unable to find anywhere? No one seems to be able to answer this. I have read several replies to my question but still not one has addressed this. It's either can be effective or it can't. Based on the principles of homeopathy, and with increasing strenghts based on the 6 succussions before every dose, it seems a valid approach.
[Edited by emerson24 on 2018-03-16 21:11:27]
 
emerson24 6 years ago
If you are taking for example arnica- and going to take it daily for a time-
You just buy from this site or Helios or other online pharmacies - arnica
Iiquid. It already has the alcohol in it.
Then put the drops in a small water bottle
And shake it each time or hit it hard against a book 6 times and then take a tsp out as a dose.

If for instance you are just going to take one dose of a remedy and wait to see effects- let’s say a 30c potency. You can order
It in liquid and put 2 or 3 drops in a half cup of water
And take a tsp and then throw away. You can order pills and put a few pills in the water, let dissolve and take a tsp( no need
For alcohol. Then throw mixture away and use
Disposable cups doing these doses.

Or yes you could put the pills in a bottle of water
And put some alcohol in with it and it will be preserved just
The same as buying a LIQUID remedy . In Asia liquid remedies
Are low cost. In USA they cost almost double that of pills.
[Edited by simone717 on 2018-03-16 22:18:59]
 
simone717 6 years ago

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