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children with dirty teeth

I have 2 children with teeth that are black at the gumline and also all black on the inside of the teeth. It comes off with dentist cleaning but not with regular brushing. Dentist does not know cause. They are not on iron supps.
 
  carolzip on 2004-08-12
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which (exact) teeth affected?

what exact symptoms of last illness children have?when?how treated?

please seperate each child's case information--as individuals...
 
John Stanton last decade
Dear John,
Thanks for your response.
The black is on most of their teeth.My daughter, 2 yrs, has it on bottom middle 2 and some on the next 2 teeth. She has black on back of all of her front teeth and some around the gum of her 2 molars and a little on top of them.
she is very healthy, has just had a few colds and 1 ear infection in her life(treated with antibiotics 1x).
My son ,4, was a preemie and had a life threatening illness following birth(bacterial infection in his intestine) which caused partial removal of his large intestine.He was on IV feeding for the first 8 months of his life until he could absorb all of food. He was hospitalized for the first 5 months. Since then he has had no major illnesses , just a few colds and also 1 or 2 ear infections and some viruses.
He has black on the inside of all his bottom teeth and some black near the gumline on most of the top teeth. It started aprox. when he was 21/2 years old. My son was treated with antibiotics as infant(as above) and once with the ear infection
 
carolzip last decade
what condition of teeth (besides balckness)? decay?how many cavities at theses ages? what problems with dentition?


when (dates) last illness(es)?

what vaccinations have they had?when?any complications?

any constipation or other stool complaints?

any white spots on/under fingernails?

again please describe each child as seperate..
 
John Stanton last decade
Dear Carolzip,

Your children dirty teeth is most likely due to chromogenic bacteria (color producing colonies of bacteria).

This bacteria is most often found in dental plaque.

Hope this helps you with what is going on with your children's teeth.

P.S. hope you do not mind me asking, do your children have any digestive problems (stomach complaints, bloating, excessive gas, burping, constipaytion, diarrhea)?

Abnormal bacterial build ups can result due to several factors.
 
commen sense last decade
thanks for the reply,
My 2 yr old daughter has no digestive issues. My 4 year old son probably has because he has a short colon due to surgery as an infant(he had a bacterial infection in his intestine as he was a preemie)He has loose stools,but according to MD's this is normal for him due to the short colon.
Do you have suggestions?
 
carolzip last decade
Dear carolzip,

Your sons case is clearer as to why he is having the black teeth.

In your sons case:
1)
The history of having a life threatening illness following birth involving his GI (gastrointestinal) tract most likely is responsible for causing an abnormal build up of bacteria in the mouth.

2(A)
Reason for his soft stools is indefinitely due the shorter colon due to his surgery. Reason for this is the large intestine (aka the colon) is responsible for removing excess water from food, due to the shorter length there is not as much 'tube' to help take the water out of the food that is being processed to be pooped out (for a lack of better description).

2 (B)
The large intestine has various types of colonies of bacteria that are 'permanent residents'.

Pretty much what they do is help in digesting plant matter as well as other bacteria types are able to produce vitamin B-12, riboflavin, thiamine, and vitamin K which helps all in absorption.

Possible reason for black teeth:
Due to the fact that your son has a smaller large intestine can result in an 'imbalance' in bacterial flora as well as micro/macro nutrients that help the body in preventing bacterial build ups.

In homoeopathy, Chinese medicine and Ayurvedic medicine there is a correlation of the cleanness of the mouth is related to the digestive system. (This is also true with 'traditional medicine' as well).
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However, if you do not mind there are a few questions I do have regarding your daughter as well as your son.

Please be patient with this lengthy process :-) once I get a better picture it is a lot easier to put the puzzles together.

As always I hope this helps you out :-)

P.S. I am hoping that I am not wasting your time with giving you info on why it may be happening (I always felt to be healthy is to understand why one is not healthy). :-)
 
commen sense last decade
Dear Commen Sense,
do you have any recommendations for his condition. Is is possible that my daughter contracted some of his bacteria? It was suggested that we try staphisgaria. I also researched fragaria which cleans tartar from teeth. Are these appropriate?
 
carolzip last decade
Dear carolzip,

The method I am trained in homeopathic medicine is very different from what is commonly done.

You may try Staphsigaria... however, if that doesn't work you can also try Merc sol for your son. Fragaria is not needed at this point right now. Merc sol is better to use if he has bad breath.

In regards to your daughter contracting the bacteria it is highly unlikely. Even if she does share the same tooth brush (which I know she isn't) her enzymes in her mouth should be able to destroy that build up there is another reason to her case, but more questions are needed to get a clearer picture.
 
commen sense last decade
Dear Commen Sense,
My son does not have bad breath. What would be the dosage for him for staphsigaria and/or Merc sol?
 
carolzip last decade
Staphsigaria 30ch and Merc sol 30ch.
 
commen sense last decade
Thanks for the info. Do you have any more questions?
 
carolzip last decade
Just a few regarding your daugther.

1) How are her bowel habits (formed, constipayed, loose)?

2) Does she sleep on her sides, back or stomach?

3) Does she have any itch nose or anus?

4) Does she suffer from any food allergies or enviromental allergies?

5)Does your daugther have any bad breath?

6) Can she tolerate milk?

7) Does she have any history of pneumonia, or bladder/kidney infections?

8)Does she have any other major or minor health concerns either then the black teeth/gumline?
 
commen sense last decade
Hi Commensense,
My daughter usually has formed stools, however, this week they are a little looser, I'm not sure why. She sleeps in all positions,has no itching,she might be allergic to corn-she gets loose stool from it,she does not have bad breath but her saliva in the morning has an odor,can tolerate milk,has no history of infections, She also seems to be allergic to the grass in our yard or maybe the bugbites that she gets sometimes.
 
carolzip last decade
I have a 15 month old boy who starting having black teeth at the gum line of all his teeth (12). We are on a well, so have given floride supplements. I stopped the floride after noticing the black and stopped colored juice as I noticed staining on the inside of his cups. I can not brush this off, but the dentist can polish it off.
What can I do? He also has bad breath and he seems to have an itchy nose, and his stools are a range from formed to soft.
He was born at 38 weeks and developed sepsis and was in NICU for 10 days on multiple antibiotics and has had multiple ear infections.
Any thoughts?? thanks.
 
teelee last decade
My daughter is having this same problem. She is 16 months old. My son, he is 3.5 years, has not had this problem. I was just wondering if it was ever resolved for you???
 
goldfishpink last decade
Clean teeth in toddlers is not so common and it seems that they are more prone to staining because of iron present in the milk. These substances accumulate in baby’s mouth cavity and create bacteria thriving area. Oral hygiene is something that should be taken care of right from the beginning. It is this time when good habits should be inculcated in children so that it has a long run impact on them. Grooming and involving regular habits in children not only improves their health at presents but creates a long-term impact on them which gives them the ability to take care of themselves throughout a lifetime. The causes and the importance of keeping teeth clean in toddlers is mentioned here.
 
haydon123 3 years ago

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