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stuck in provings sepia
Hello, Sepia is my constitutional remedy and i've taken too much in various dilutions!! I've been ill for a while with apparently whats called proving symptoms and i waited 50 days (my homeopathic doctors advice ) and then i took 3 pellets 15ch (french dilutiion) I have since been quite ill again, apparently i'm blocked in the proving, 2 or 3 doctors hear in france have tried to help giving me remedies that could correspond to my symptoms but absolutely nothing works. I'm at the end of the road with these symptoms!! I've tried everything !Is there anyone that might be able to help me? PLEASE!!!!!!grenoble on 2006-09-11
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Yours is a classic case which I hope other classical homeopaths including your own homeopath will take careful note of, as to the danger of prescribing what homeopaths fondly imagine is the 'constitutional remedy' for your ailment which I note you have not made mention of in your post.
It is precisely this form of stupidity on the part of your homeopaths that I am trying to halt in my own way for which I have often been criticized but bear gladly as to me the interest of the patient comes first irrespective of other factors including the fact that I am not qualified and therefore refuse to accept the classical method of prescribing as you have already borne the brunt of the classical form of prescribing.
I consider your homeopath not only stupid but pig headed also as he gave you the same Sepia again which reacted negatively with added after effects in your case.
If you would like to give details of your ailment and precise details of the treatment that you were given by your present homeopath and the other 3 homeopaths with details of the remedies that you have taken with the relative dates as far as possible and how you responded to each of these remedies if you can remember them, I shall be glad to help you in any way I can.
It is precisely this form of stupidity on the part of your homeopaths that I am trying to halt in my own way for which I have often been criticized but bear gladly as to me the interest of the patient comes first irrespective of other factors including the fact that I am not qualified and therefore refuse to accept the classical method of prescribing as you have already borne the brunt of the classical form of prescribing.
I consider your homeopath not only stupid but pig headed also as he gave you the same Sepia again which reacted negatively with added after effects in your case.
If you would like to give details of your ailment and precise details of the treatment that you were given by your present homeopath and the other 3 homeopaths with details of the remedies that you have taken with the relative dates as far as possible and how you responded to each of these remedies if you can remember them, I shall be glad to help you in any way I can.
♡ Joe De Livera last decade
Hello Joe, Thank you for replying, it's been a month or two now since i took 3 pellets of sepia 15ch, i feel less ill but still very unhappy. My physical sypmtoms are still there, and the emotional ones also. I can cope with the body whilst i'm waiting to recover eventhough i've put a lot of weight on around my stomache (bloated most of the time) I've tried taking nat mur in 7ch, nux vom in 7ch, kreosotum 7ch, but nothing gets ride of this heavyness and tired depressed feelings i also tried phos acid 7ch, the problem is that when i first took sepia after a while i started to feel better, much better then the doctor told me to continue and thats when everything went wrong. As i started to feel much better i was less angry with my boyfriend, less angry in general with the children also. And now i'm back to square one. The symptoms are a little less strong, but more or less the same. I am worried that i will never recover!!! I've tried antidoting with remedies who symptoms are similar but REALLY nothing works. Is it a question of time, or am i stuck like this. Desparate Amanda
grenoble last decade
I would prefer not to get involved in your case as even if I do prescribe a remedy it will be on an experimental basis as I do not have the possibility of seeing you in person to discuss and evaluate your many problems which you state were triggered off by the Sepia that someone gave you as your constitutional remedy. You have experiments with various other remedies which did not help you and if I at this stage prescribe another which does not help, I can be blamed for your condition.
My advice to you is to stop all medication that you may be using and drink plenty of liquids to help your body to regain its balance.
My advice to you is to stop all medication that you may be using and drink plenty of liquids to help your body to regain its balance.
♡ Joe De Livera last decade
Dear Joe: A properley prescribed 'constitutional remedy' and I have prescribed literally thousands over the years as a classical Homoeopath will never cause a proving, and the assertions you are making have no foundation whatsoever, and in fact I have no idea how you even have the cheek to post such remarks when you not only blindly prescribe Arnica and Nat phos for every new patient who arrives here, regardless of symptoms, you also prescribe them in the same potency over a period of months, something we KNOW causes provings, as this has been recorded for almost 200 years. Your attempts therefore to slander classical Homoeopathy in an attempt to elevate your own odd notions of prescribing are completely without logic or pertinent argument.
Hahnemania last decade
Dear Grenoble, if you are indeed locked into a proving of a remedy, we have two course of action open to us.
First of all, please state the very highest potency you have ever taken of this remedy, as if it IS your constitutional remedy, the problem may have been caused by flipping back and forth between potencies, which is not good prescribing, and the application of a potency slightly higher than this highest dose, will often rectify the situation.
If however Sepia is NOT your constitutional remedy, which would more often than not be the case if the above does not work, then the remedy will need to be specifically antidoted. Either way, you have nothing to lose from first trying the above.
Given the latter scenario, Sepia antidotes should be selected on present symptom manifestations at any given time, and given low (6x by olfaction is good for this)and I would be happy to guide you through this antidoting process, which I have done many times before, both online and in my own practice, where patients have come to me from other practitioners (mostly, it has to be said, non-classical ones...).
For your own information then, the remedies which antidote Speia are as follows: Aconite, Antimonium Crudum, Antimonium Tartaricum, Nitri Spiritus Dulcis, Sulphur, and Vegetable acids such as Citric, Oxalic, and Carbolic.
After the remedy is antidoted (if this proves necessary), you should obviously not give the remedy again without experienced advice.
So, what was the very highest potency given of the the potency? Also please confirm that you have not taken either Bryonia, Lachesis or Psorinum during dosing with the Sepia.
I think you will find this CLASSICAL approach (which was obviously NOT being used by your Homoeopath, as evidenced by his dosing methods alone)will be a little more effective than 'drinking plenty of fluids' -Shakes head-
Best wishes, and I look forward to reading your reply :)
-Jacob.
First of all, please state the very highest potency you have ever taken of this remedy, as if it IS your constitutional remedy, the problem may have been caused by flipping back and forth between potencies, which is not good prescribing, and the application of a potency slightly higher than this highest dose, will often rectify the situation.
If however Sepia is NOT your constitutional remedy, which would more often than not be the case if the above does not work, then the remedy will need to be specifically antidoted. Either way, you have nothing to lose from first trying the above.
Given the latter scenario, Sepia antidotes should be selected on present symptom manifestations at any given time, and given low (6x by olfaction is good for this)and I would be happy to guide you through this antidoting process, which I have done many times before, both online and in my own practice, where patients have come to me from other practitioners (mostly, it has to be said, non-classical ones...).
For your own information then, the remedies which antidote Speia are as follows: Aconite, Antimonium Crudum, Antimonium Tartaricum, Nitri Spiritus Dulcis, Sulphur, and Vegetable acids such as Citric, Oxalic, and Carbolic.
After the remedy is antidoted (if this proves necessary), you should obviously not give the remedy again without experienced advice.
So, what was the very highest potency given of the the potency? Also please confirm that you have not taken either Bryonia, Lachesis or Psorinum during dosing with the Sepia.
I think you will find this CLASSICAL approach (which was obviously NOT being used by your Homoeopath, as evidenced by his dosing methods alone)will be a little more effective than 'drinking plenty of fluids' -Shakes head-
Best wishes, and I look forward to reading your reply :)
-Jacob.
Hahnemania last decade
'So, what was the very highest potency given of the the potency?'
Should read: So, what was the very highest potency given of the the remedy?
Apologies, it's very late!
-Jacob.
Should read: So, what was the very highest potency given of the the remedy?
Apologies, it's very late!
-Jacob.
Hahnemania last decade
the the? I give up, I'm sure you know what I mean, and I think thats my cue to get some sleep, heh.
Best wishes.
Best wishes.
Hahnemania last decade
Hi Jacob, thankyou for your intelligent reply. The highest potency i have taken is 30ch, it's the highest you can get in european potencies. I have not taken bryonia, lachesis or psorinum since or during!! I am experiencing a need to eat, even when i have eaten and am not hungry!! usually in the evenings after the meal i reach for sweet foods, i even get up at all hours of the night to eat (still sugar foods) i manage to control this sometimes but often it is a compulsion. This has always been the case for me, but at one point it was better after the first dose of sepia 15ch 4 or 5 months ago. The problems started after i had returned to the homeopathic doctor who told me to continue taking sepia!!! After this i realised it was a mistake and i was so upset to find myself with these symptoms again that i consulted another homeopath who prescribed Nat Mur and Cal phos both 7 ch. At this point i was crying and very vulnerable. I'm not sure if the remedies worked, anyway the sepia evolved and i felt very depressed, everything seemed hopeless, (my old condition) this has been going on since the end of May this year!! I have put on weight around mu tummy and feel bloated, i still eat far to much suger especially in the evenings, however i do feel asthough the worst is subsiding physically. Emotionally things are slightly better, but i still feel very angry inside towards my boyfriend, and at times i lash out verbally. I feel very lazy!! even though i am busy (depression) i feel blocked asthough i'm in a viscious circle that i can't get out of. Intellectually i'm having serious problems concentrating, my mind doesn't memorise anything, and it's very frustrating!!!
After i've eaten my saliver has a very strange taste and my mouth is dry, i feel charged up with toxines??? Anyway thankyou once again for any advice you have and don't worry about other people who write in this forum!! I have the impression that some people use this place as a playground for their ego's. It's sad but thats the reality of what is happening in the world. I'm not saying that their intentions are bad from the start, but people are very quickly caught up in the ego spiral as time goes by. Amanda
After i've eaten my saliver has a very strange taste and my mouth is dry, i feel charged up with toxines??? Anyway thankyou once again for any advice you have and don't worry about other people who write in this forum!! I have the impression that some people use this place as a playground for their ego's. It's sad but thats the reality of what is happening in the world. I'm not saying that their intentions are bad from the start, but people are very quickly caught up in the ego spiral as time goes by. Amanda
grenoble last decade
Dear Amanda.
Hmm, I'm not a HUNDRED per centconvinced what you are experiencing is indeed a proving of Sepia.
Sometimes what happens in prescribing is, a remedy is given, and because it is SIMILAR to the condition of the patient, it provides some relief, however it is not actually curative, because it is not the actual similium, in other words, it is not the actual remedy required (this is, btw, how non-classical Homoeopaths for the most part practice, viewing such relief of symptoms as cure, which it obviously is not). Now while this will bring about some improvement, which may last for some time, if the remedy is then given again and again, the constitution says 'hang on a minute, this isn't what I need at all, it's different', and it reacts by throwing out the original symptoms with even more force. The more the remedy is applied, the stronger will be this forceful reaction of the patients constitution.
A couple of things lead me to believe the above may be true of your case, one of which is the fact that even if the correct remedy is continually dosed after full cure has taken place, these symptoms will wear off, leaving only improvement in their wake. This is what we call Homoeopathic aggravation, and simply means the drug is now stronger than the disease. Another thing which alerts me, albeit to a lesser extent, is your phrase of 'this has always been the case for me'.
It could of course also be that BOTH situations are apparent, i.e that you are now experiencing both your original symptoms at a much higher level, and also proving the Sepia, we will have to wait and see. Either way, everything is fixable, so don't despair :)I actually spend at least a third of my prescribing time rectifying others non-classically prescribed mistakes anyway, so I've gotten pretty used to (not to mention good at) it by now!
A question then, how long exactly did these symptoms last before you consulted the next Homoeopath who prescribed Nat Mur?
Best wishes.
-Jacob.
Hmm, I'm not a HUNDRED per centconvinced what you are experiencing is indeed a proving of Sepia.
Sometimes what happens in prescribing is, a remedy is given, and because it is SIMILAR to the condition of the patient, it provides some relief, however it is not actually curative, because it is not the actual similium, in other words, it is not the actual remedy required (this is, btw, how non-classical Homoeopaths for the most part practice, viewing such relief of symptoms as cure, which it obviously is not). Now while this will bring about some improvement, which may last for some time, if the remedy is then given again and again, the constitution says 'hang on a minute, this isn't what I need at all, it's different', and it reacts by throwing out the original symptoms with even more force. The more the remedy is applied, the stronger will be this forceful reaction of the patients constitution.
A couple of things lead me to believe the above may be true of your case, one of which is the fact that even if the correct remedy is continually dosed after full cure has taken place, these symptoms will wear off, leaving only improvement in their wake. This is what we call Homoeopathic aggravation, and simply means the drug is now stronger than the disease. Another thing which alerts me, albeit to a lesser extent, is your phrase of 'this has always been the case for me'.
It could of course also be that BOTH situations are apparent, i.e that you are now experiencing both your original symptoms at a much higher level, and also proving the Sepia, we will have to wait and see. Either way, everything is fixable, so don't despair :)I actually spend at least a third of my prescribing time rectifying others non-classically prescribed mistakes anyway, so I've gotten pretty used to (not to mention good at) it by now!
A question then, how long exactly did these symptoms last before you consulted the next Homoeopath who prescribed Nat Mur?
Best wishes.
-Jacob.
Hahnemania last decade
Oh, and P.S on your last point, I couldn't agree more, although sadly it is not just this forum they use, but Homoeopathy in general...especially those calling themselves 'Doctor', -Rolls eyes-
Hahnemania last decade
These symptoms lasted about six weeks before i was prescribed Nat Mur.thank you Amanda
grenoble last decade
Okay, then it is unlikely this was simply aggravation, as this usually passes off after days (especially in such a low potency), and it is a distinct possibility that Sepia was not the indicated remedy. It COULD also be though that the remedy was given too many times in the same potency, which would also explain the possible subsequent proving symptoms.
However, as I cannot possibly know the exact situation without actually meeting you, there are SOME symptoms present which would suggest Sepia, and you are pretty convinced that you are indeed proving the remedy, we will proceed as if you were, and work from there.
Get yourself a 100c (if you can), or a 200c of the remedy in 5ml liquid potency, and take ONE short sniff directly from the bottle. Wait a few days to see if the remedy provides relief, and if it does not, and the symptoms get slightly worse then we will apply an antidote. If this helps (you will usually know from the very first antidote applied), we will know this is indeed a proving, and continue to administer further antidotes if/as needed. If it does NOT work, then we will know you are not proving the remedy, and I am then happy to look into your case in detail, and recommend the next remedy, if you want to pursue this. Either way, from following the above you will at least know whether or not the remedy is being proved, and bring this situation to an end if you are.
Best wishes.
-Jacob.
However, as I cannot possibly know the exact situation without actually meeting you, there are SOME symptoms present which would suggest Sepia, and you are pretty convinced that you are indeed proving the remedy, we will proceed as if you were, and work from there.
Get yourself a 100c (if you can), or a 200c of the remedy in 5ml liquid potency, and take ONE short sniff directly from the bottle. Wait a few days to see if the remedy provides relief, and if it does not, and the symptoms get slightly worse then we will apply an antidote. If this helps (you will usually know from the very first antidote applied), we will know this is indeed a proving, and continue to administer further antidotes if/as needed. If it does NOT work, then we will know you are not proving the remedy, and I am then happy to look into your case in detail, and recommend the next remedy, if you want to pursue this. Either way, from following the above you will at least know whether or not the remedy is being proved, and bring this situation to an end if you are.
Best wishes.
-Jacob.
Hahnemania last decade
Hello Jacob, i've taken a while to write as it's taken me a long time to find the liquid. However i did what you suggested and my symptoms are worse, and are slowly getting stronger. I waited a week before writing to see what happens, and infact the headache on the leftside of the head and and general exhaustion are getting better but i feel very negative, everything seem very boring and i can find no pleasure in daily activities (depressed) i'm not crying, but feel very flat and uninterested in everything. I also have lost all interest in my boyfriend. I think alot about wanting to hurt him, in my mind i find faults with him. I don't seem to like myself either and feel very negative towards my body (judging myself) For the moment i have more psychological and emotional symptoms than physical. What do you suggest. Thankyou Amanda
grenoble last decade
Hello again Amanda, and thanks for the update.
Okay, my first question is (for reasons which will become obvious later), have you felt exactly like this in the past, or are all these new symptoms and feelings things which you have never experienced before?
I'll await your reply.
-Jacob.
Okay, my first question is (for reasons which will become obvious later), have you felt exactly like this in the past, or are all these new symptoms and feelings things which you have never experienced before?
I'll await your reply.
-Jacob.
Hahnemania last decade
While you are waiting for Jacob, read this and ask if you have further questions.
http://www.hpathy.com/interviews/dianefuller1.asp
The interview is about how to antidote a remedy.
http://www.hpathy.com/interviews/dianefuller1.asp
The interview is about how to antidote a remedy.
♡ gavinimurthy last decade
Hello
If you could read my previous letters and the replys you will understand that i'm waiting to be advised for the next thing to do!! Thank you for replying Amanda
If you could read my previous letters and the replys you will understand that i'm waiting to be advised for the next thing to do!! Thank you for replying Amanda
grenoble last decade
♡ gavinimurthy last decade
And I'm fully aware of how to antidote a remedy thanks, maybe you should read it instead? Just a suggestion ;)
Hahnemania last decade
Hi Jacob
The post is meant for grenoble. She was waiting for you, and I provided her some more reading material.
Please guide her further on what to do.
The post is meant for grenoble. She was waiting for you, and I provided her some more reading material.
Please guide her further on what to do.
♡ gavinimurthy last decade
Dear Amanda, apologies for the delay, I was kind of caught up in the reason I came here, which seems to have been taken care of now.
Please, can you tell me something about your living conditions, or any surgery you have had.
Thanks a lot :)
-Jacob.
Please, can you tell me something about your living conditions, or any surgery you have had.
Thanks a lot :)
-Jacob.
Hahnemania last decade
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