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Osteo Arthritis

My wife, 69 years old has been suffering from Osteo Arthritis for the last 8 years. This problem is familial and her two sisters also suffer from the same problem. I have treated her with a succession of remedies throughout the years --- Rhus Tox 30, Ruta 30, Thuja 30, Arnica 6, Apis 6, Kali Phos 6x, Fer Phos 6x but with no permanent relief.

The problem she has is that her knees hurt when walking especially when climbing and going down stairs and recently there has been some swelling in one knee which did not react to the Apis. Apart from the pain which she has when walking she feels that it is the swelling that is causing the pain and stiffness in one knee. The only relief she has is when she takes Voltaren 50mg when the pain is relieved and the swelling is also reduced if this drug is taken twice daily for about 3 days. She is generally in good health but is unable to exercise because of her knees.

She is 80kg., 5ft 5in tall and was diagnosed with nodules in her thyroid but no surgery was recommended as the tests were normal.

I wonder if anyone can think of any other remedy to help her problem.
 
  Joe De Livera on 2004-09-21
This is just a forum. Assume posts are not from medical professionals.
Some bio-chemically indicated remedies are:

ARTHRITIS DEFORMANCE:CF; CP; KS; SIL

CF is boldly indicated.
 
Logical last decade
Is there any cracking noise,while bending the knees?

Is stiffness a prominent symptom?

Is the pain only in the knee or somewhere else, like heel etc?

BB
 
bandarbabu2000 last decade
There is a slight grating sound that can be heard with a stethscope on the back of the knee. The main problem is the swelling of the tissue around the knee for which I used Apis 6 and later Arnica 6 with no positive result.
I am hoping that some remedy that I have not used can be suggested by someone which will do what Voltaren does to shut down the pain and also reduce the swelling.

The pain is localised in the knees only. The stiffness is in the left knee which is the more sensitive of the two.
 
Joe De Livera last decade
What are the contents of Voltaren?

Is it Diclofenac sodium/potassium?

I suggest Mag.phos 6x in warm water in alternation with ferrum phos 6x.Tissue salts can be used safely in alternation.

But this will be a temporary releif.But they will do as much as any over the counter allopathic pain killer.

For permanent relief, I hope you will get better advice.

Murthy
 
bandarbabu2000 last decade
Voltaren is Diclofenac Sodium and is a Nonsteriodal Anti-inflammatory agent.
It works like magic to relieve the distress and is used by my wife only on a SOS basis.

A knee guard also provides some comfort and I feel that if the exudation of the fluid can be controlled in her left knee, her problem can be solved.

Thank you for your inputs.
 
Joe De Livera last decade
Around the knee, is there an accumulation of water causing the swelling??

Then the treatment would be entirely different.

Any symptoms of High BP, Liver weakness, diabetes, heart ailment etc. ???


Best,
Pankaj Varma
 
PANKAJ VARMA last decade
The swelling is only perceptible when both knees are compared and is about 5% enlarged. I presume that this is due to the plasma which the knee joint exudes which is not drained away like in the other good knee. The swelling is only very slight but the pain and stiffness is in this knee. The Apis 6 I gave her does not reduce the swelling.

Her BP is very low at 110/60 pulse 65. No diabetes or other ailments. She is on a Beta blocker twice daily for Glaucoma and this can be the cause of her knee pain, but she cannot be taken off this drug as her eye pressure is 25. In any case she was on the eye drops for about 4 years but her knee problems which are familial, like the eye problems, started before the eye drops.

Thank you for your interest.
 
Joe De Livera last decade
Start giving her
NATRUM SULF. 6X four tabs four times a day as a starting point.

Post more details of her medical history for me to analyse the case.
Such as ailments in child hood and during youth etc.

Best,
Pankaj Varma
 
PANKAJ VARMA last decade
When was the last time she got the eye pressure checked??

Any skin ailments currently or in the past??

Any history of recurring stomach aches, migraine etc.

Mental state .....easily angered person???

Best,
Pankaj Varma
 
PANKAJ VARMA last decade
She has had a very good medical history and an observation I have made is that all the sisters in her family seem to have inherited a weakness of their Quadriceps muscles from their mother which lead to their plonking down on chairs when sitting down and also going down the stairs with a bang of their footwear thereby loading the knee joints unnecessarily. This seems to cause the cartilage in the joint to exude liquid which is not absorbed causing the swelling and pain.

She tries to do some exercise but it is not sufficient to tone up the quads to help her to step down stairs without causing the extra pressure.

Her eye pressure is checked regularly and it is has not increased above 25 for about a year. She uses BETAGAN 0.5% but I do not think that this can cause the problem.

No other ailments such as those you mentioned.
 
Joe De Livera last decade
Was she prescribed or taking:-
Carbonic Anhydrase Inhibitors (Systemic)
Antiglaucoma agent (systemic)—Acetazolamide; Dichlorphenamide; Methazolamide;
 
Logical last decade
Was she prescribed or taking:-
Carbonic Anhydrase Inhibitors (Systemic)
Antiglaucoma agent (systemic)—Acetazolamide; Dichlorphenamide; Methazolamide;
 
Logical last decade
Was she prescribed or taking:-
Carbonic Anhydrase Inhibitors (Systemic)
Antiglaucoma agent (systemic)—Acetazolamide; Dichlorphenamide; Methazolamide;
 
Logical last decade
Description of Betagan below:

BETAGAN (levobunolol HCl)

Liquifilm sterile ophthalmic solution is a noncardioselectlve beta-adrenoceptor blocking agent for ophthalmic use. Chemical Name: (-)-5-[3-(tert-Butylamino) -2-hydroxypropoxyl]-3,4-dihydro-l(2H) -naphthalenone hydrochloride.

BETAGAN 0.25% and 0.5% Contains - Active: levobunolol HCl 0.25% or 0.5%. Preservative: benzalkonium chloride 0.00490 Inactives: Liquifilm (polyvinyl alcohol) 1.4%; edetate disodium; sodium metabisulfite; sodium phosphate, dibasic; potassium phosphate, monobasic; sodium chloride; hydrochloric acid or sodium hydroxide to adjust pH; and purified water.
 
Joe De Livera last decade
Hello Joe!

The only medicine that has left knee pain associated with Glaucoma is BRYONIA.

Rhus Tox.... don't have that

Ruta ....don't have that

Arnica...don't have that

Thuja ...don't have that

Apis....don't have that

Kali Phos ....don't have that

Ferrum Phos. don't have that.

Pl. check for other symptoms of -- Bryonia --like

"no desire to move"

"relief from hard pressure on painful part"

"like to drink water in large quantites after long intervals such as 6/8 hours"

"mouth dry, throat dry"

"constipation" ....in fact all mucus memberanes dry.

"mental thoughts of poverty"

"stitches in left side of chest" ...specially on making a mis-step while walking.

"Back-ache relieved by hard pressure".

"Pain in eyes"

Pl. try to match the symptoms with drug picture.

(No harm giving Kali Phos and Ferrum Phos 6X side by side as they would aid the system.....but for selection of "chronic" remedy try as above). (Kali Phos good for the heart).


Best,
Pankaj Varma
 
PANKAJ VARMA last decade
The lips of a Bryonia patient are "dry and chapped".

Best,
Pankaj Varma
 
PANKAJ VARMA last decade
Hi Pankaj,

I had never thought of giving her Bryonia and shall do so immediately. I wonder if I should give her the 6c or 30c potency. I would prefer the 6c as she will have to take it for a long time if it gives her any relief.

What do you advice ?

Kind Regards

Joe
 
Joe De Livera last decade
Start with 6c.
 
PANKAJ VARMA last decade
Dear Joe

Did you try Bry?Can you post the response.

Murthy
 
bandarbabu2000 last decade
The response to Bry 6c 2 balls x 3/d has not been positive so far and she had to take 1 tablet Voltaren/day to survive the work load when she is on her feet. It is remarkably how this drug reduces the swelling and also alleviates the discomfort in her knee. The ideal Homeopathic remedy should be able to replace Voltaren.

We have not given up hope and she is taking Bry with the drug.

I shall keep you informed of her progress.
 
Joe De Livera last decade
Thanks Joe

Murthy
 
bandarbabu2000 last decade
Since she is taking allopathic meds....potencies of Bryonia not likely to work.

Try....Bryonia Q ...just one drop in 1/10th glass of water. (mother tincture).

Don't stop allopathic meds yet.

Best,
Pankaj Varma
 
PANKAJ VARMA last decade
Pankaj

Thank you for your suggestion of using Bryonia Q. Unfortunately I do not have it in my stock of remedies and shall try to get it locally. If I fail I shall have to get it from Mumbai and this will take a few weeks.

Homeopathic remedies are just not available here in Sri Lanka off the counter but I have a stock of about 300 remedies in liquid form which I use to activate lactose balls to treat my friends who come to me with their ailments, free of charge.

Hermie just cannot survive without taking one tablet of Voltaren 50mg daily as she is unable to walk down the stairs without it. She is very busy now with arrangements for my 75th B'day party and promises to take only the Homeopathic remedies after it.

Joe
 
Joe De Livera last decade
Pankaj,

I have great pleasure in recording that Hermie's problem with her knee has been resolved by the Bryonia 6 that she has been taking for about 3 weeks. She took it regularly 3 times daily with 1 tablet Voltaren up to Oct 19th and has since stopped this drug. The swelling is not perceptible any more and the stiffness and pain have also left her. She is now quite comfortable going down the stairs and the Bryonia you recommended has worked the miracle. Thank you ever so much for having thought of this remedy which I did not think of myself, many years ago. You cannot understand the blessed relief that she now enjoys after having taken all those drugs which only provided temporary relief by supressing the pain as long as they were taken daily. The Voltaren 50mg which she took when the pain was bothering her would have eventually lead to other problems with her system.

I hope that the curative effect of Bry 6 will last unlike the other remedies that I have used throughout the years which were only effective for a limited period. The question now is, for how long she should be on Bry 6. I feel that she should use this remedy daily, perhaps at a reduced dosage of twice daily for about 2 months and then just once daily thereafter. You also adviced me to give her Kali Phos and Fer Phos 6x. I have not given them to her so far and wonder if I should do so now, since the knee seems to be under control with the Bry 6.

Thank you once again for suggesting this Miracle Remedy which has cured Hermie's arthritic knee.

Joe
 
Joe De Livera last decade
Dear Joe

Nice to here about the relief your wife got.Normally,low potency drugs take time to establish themselves,particularly in chronic cases.I am glad you tried for enough time.

This is what Vithoulkus also suggests.For aged people,he says start with 6c,and use continuously for a month.I don't want to preempt whatever suggestion Pankaj may give you,by telling you further on what Vithoulkus says.

I strongly recommend you to buy the book "Science of Homeopathy" since you are so much interested in Homeopathy.

Wish you many more happy birthdays.

Murthy
 
bandarbabu2000 last decade

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