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Should you stop other medication
Should you stop other medication...when you decide to take homeopathic meds?Here is the officially stated position of the British Homeopathic Association from their official website (FAQs).:
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Should I stop my other medication?
No. Homeopathic remedies can be safely taken along with other medicines. It can be very dangerous to stop a medicine which you have been using for some time. The remedies will not interfere with your other drugs. You will be able to reduce your other drugs if you begin to improve under the influence of the homeopathic ones.
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Why have I heard that some homeopaths tell their patients to stop their other drugs?
It is very unusual for a qualified health care professional to give such an instruction. Some non-medically qualified homeopaths have been known to give such advice and it stems from their distrust of mainstream medicine. The reason they will give is that some drugs can inhibit the effects of the homeopathic remedies. It is true that some drugs can produce such an inhibitory effect, particularly steroids and other drugs which suppress the immune system. However, experienced homeopathic practitioners will tell you that it is still possible to see the remedies produce good effects in the face of these drugs. Drugs should only be stopped when it is deemed they are no longer clinically necessary.
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The debate between Jacob and me started when I questioned the wisdom in asking Uzma to stop her High BP allopathic meds....before stabalising her condition with a set of homeopathic meds.
Pankaj Varma
♥ PANKAJ VARMA on 2006-10-15
This is just a forum. Assume posts are not from medical professionals.
I would like to state further as follows:
When homeopathic meds can work even while allopathic meds are being given....surely 2/3 homeopathic meds given in alteration/succesion or together (combination meds)..will also give results.
We have seen it happening.
Don't know why...inspite of so much evidence...the classical homeopaths are making a 'song and dance' of things.
Best wishes,
Pankaj Varma
When homeopathic meds can work even while allopathic meds are being given....surely 2/3 homeopathic meds given in alteration/succesion or together (combination meds)..will also give results.
We have seen it happening.
Don't know why...inspite of so much evidence...the classical homeopaths are making a 'song and dance' of things.
Best wishes,
Pankaj Varma
♡ PANKAJ VARMA last decade
I have many experiences to quote. However, I am quoting the most recent experience reg. giving homeopathic med alongwith allopathic meds.
Just seven days back...I had gone out with a friend - cum -associate on a business meeting concerning my consultancy work.
On the way..my friend told me that his neighbour's son ...about 10 years...was suffering from typhoid and no allopathic med was suiting him.
My immediate reaction was....must be dengue fever...that is why.
On the way back...my friend took me to his neighbour's house and introduced me to the child's parents.
They told me that the allopathic doctor had got the tests done and indeed it was typhoid fever....but no allopathic med was suitng the child ... his fever was around 103 deg. F.
They brought the child to the sitting room for me to see him. The child was very weak and his face was pale with dark rings under the eyes.
I wrote down...Baptisia Q ..for him and told them to get the med at the earliest.
I also told them to give only liquid diet to the child (preferably fresh juices). I told them his digestion must be depraved..which they confirmed.
The mother of the child asked me 'can I continue giving allopathic meds or should I stop ?'.
I told her very emphatically..no don't stop.
Because..... I knew if I tell them to stop.... the household will be in two minds to give the homeopathic med or not.
The same night they started giving him Baptisia Q side by side with the allopathic meds.
Two days back...I got a phone call from the mother thanking me profusely...she said your medicine worked wonders...... and said the child is fine and he is already playing in the home garden with his sisters.
Best wishes,
Pankaj Varma
Just seven days back...I had gone out with a friend - cum -associate on a business meeting concerning my consultancy work.
On the way..my friend told me that his neighbour's son ...about 10 years...was suffering from typhoid and no allopathic med was suiting him.
My immediate reaction was....must be dengue fever...that is why.
On the way back...my friend took me to his neighbour's house and introduced me to the child's parents.
They told me that the allopathic doctor had got the tests done and indeed it was typhoid fever....but no allopathic med was suitng the child ... his fever was around 103 deg. F.
They brought the child to the sitting room for me to see him. The child was very weak and his face was pale with dark rings under the eyes.
I wrote down...Baptisia Q ..for him and told them to get the med at the earliest.
I also told them to give only liquid diet to the child (preferably fresh juices). I told them his digestion must be depraved..which they confirmed.
The mother of the child asked me 'can I continue giving allopathic meds or should I stop ?'.
I told her very emphatically..no don't stop.
Because..... I knew if I tell them to stop.... the household will be in two minds to give the homeopathic med or not.
The same night they started giving him Baptisia Q side by side with the allopathic meds.
Two days back...I got a phone call from the mother thanking me profusely...she said your medicine worked wonders...... and said the child is fine and he is already playing in the home garden with his sisters.
Best wishes,
Pankaj Varma
♡ PANKAJ VARMA last decade
Pl. also see the thread started by me on 24th December 2003:
SINGLE OR A NUMBER OF MEDICINES
Just brought it up again.
When I tell Murthy and Jacob that my system is different from theirs...it is a comment made after great consideration.
Pankaj Varma
SINGLE OR A NUMBER OF MEDICINES
Just brought it up again.
When I tell Murthy and Jacob that my system is different from theirs...it is a comment made after great consideration.
Pankaj Varma
♡ PANKAJ VARMA last decade
Dear Pankaj,
First of all, congratulations for your success in treating that child.I agree with you that there is no need to stop all allopathics taken by the patient at once.Most of the top homeopaths like Vithoulkas, Schepper etc. are on record having said that.Homeopathy is started side by side and as the symptoms improve, the patient is guided to slowly reduce the dosage of allopathic drugs, and finally stop taking them when the patient has got complete confidence in the homeopathic remedy.There is no argument on this from my side at least.
I am treating and have treated a number of cases of diabetes for example, where the patient kept on with his allopathic tablets or insuline, gradually reducing the dosage as the blood sugar started to come more and more in control.Same with patients suffering from high blood pressure.
Rajiv
First of all, congratulations for your success in treating that child.I agree with you that there is no need to stop all allopathics taken by the patient at once.Most of the top homeopaths like Vithoulkas, Schepper etc. are on record having said that.Homeopathy is started side by side and as the symptoms improve, the patient is guided to slowly reduce the dosage of allopathic drugs, and finally stop taking them when the patient has got complete confidence in the homeopathic remedy.There is no argument on this from my side at least.
I am treating and have treated a number of cases of diabetes for example, where the patient kept on with his allopathic tablets or insuline, gradually reducing the dosage as the blood sugar started to come more and more in control.Same with patients suffering from high blood pressure.
Rajiv
♡ rajivprasad last decade
How do you know that it is your medicine and not the allopathic medicine that brought down the fever?
The same is the problem with taking two homeopathic medicines together. You will never know which one acted beneficially.
If you stick to a single medicine there are many options available for the prescriber.
If the medicine didn't work, he can chose another medicine.
If the medicine worked ,but the problem came again, he can increase the potency.
Even if the patient gets different symptoms, he can think of a complimentary/follower medicine,so as the cure initiated by the first medicine is not negated.
There are many situations, and many options.
What do to in each case with single medicine therapy,is indicated in Organon comprehensively.
Let us know what will you do if your multiple therapy fails cure and the problem recurs again and again.
See the thread started by Anon 99. Why you were not able to cure her daughter even after so many years of treatment?
That thread is right on ABC, and all can go through it.
'I went to a friend's house and cured his son' sort of stories are just stories.
Tell me about a single long lasting cure you achieved here on ABC?
Don't shoe examples of headaches and bodyaches. They will go away on their own, even without any medicine, most of the times.
A solid case, which said they got cured and remained cured even after one or two years, is the sort of proof required.
Murthy
The same is the problem with taking two homeopathic medicines together. You will never know which one acted beneficially.
If you stick to a single medicine there are many options available for the prescriber.
If the medicine didn't work, he can chose another medicine.
If the medicine worked ,but the problem came again, he can increase the potency.
Even if the patient gets different symptoms, he can think of a complimentary/follower medicine,so as the cure initiated by the first medicine is not negated.
There are many situations, and many options.
What do to in each case with single medicine therapy,is indicated in Organon comprehensively.
Let us know what will you do if your multiple therapy fails cure and the problem recurs again and again.
See the thread started by Anon 99. Why you were not able to cure her daughter even after so many years of treatment?
That thread is right on ABC, and all can go through it.
'I went to a friend's house and cured his son' sort of stories are just stories.
Tell me about a single long lasting cure you achieved here on ABC?
Don't shoe examples of headaches and bodyaches. They will go away on their own, even without any medicine, most of the times.
A solid case, which said they got cured and remained cured even after one or two years, is the sort of proof required.
Murthy
bandarbabu2000 last decade
Hi Rajiv
Again our posts crossed.
I am on record here saying that you can give paracetamol in case of high fever, once the case is taken,and you are sure of the remedy.
Similarly, we will never tell the patient to stop his BP/diabetic/angina etc.. medications, abruptly.
Allopathy today is different from Hann.'s time, and Doctors Like G.V. has laid down, how to treat cases, when allopathic medication can't be stopped abruptly.
Contrary to what these people say, there are many improvements in classical homeopathy since Hahn..,but they are all without deviating from the fundamentals.
Murthy
Again our posts crossed.
I am on record here saying that you can give paracetamol in case of high fever, once the case is taken,and you are sure of the remedy.
Similarly, we will never tell the patient to stop his BP/diabetic/angina etc.. medications, abruptly.
Allopathy today is different from Hann.'s time, and Doctors Like G.V. has laid down, how to treat cases, when allopathic medication can't be stopped abruptly.
Contrary to what these people say, there are many improvements in classical homeopathy since Hahn..,but they are all without deviating from the fundamentals.
Murthy
bandarbabu2000 last decade
Dear Friends,
Pankaj said:
'When homeopathic meds can work even while allopathic meds are being given....surely 2/3 homeopathic meds given in alteration/succesion or together (combination meds)..will also give results.'
Surely, this kind of allopathic thinking by some homeopaths is the reason why such prescriptions are made by many qualified homeopaths all over the world.But, it again is a short cut approach and betrays a lack of good understanding of homeopathy's basics.
I will first question the wisdom of comparing allopathic drugs to homeopathic remedies.They are like chalk and cheese and cannot be compared.The first is a drug while the second is an energy with a particular frequency designed to touch the 'vital force' at its own level.Crude allopathic drugs can never touch the cause of the disease which disturbs the vital force from proper functioning.Homeopathic remedies can and always do when the remedy as well as the potency is correct.Deeper the 'vital disturbance', higher the potency needed.
Coming to the point of multiple remedies.They certainly often follow one another but not necessarily, but quite frequently.But a homeopath can never pre- judge which remedy will be needed subsequently.It is only the symptoms that decide the choice of subsequent remedies.Sometimes, when a miasmatic taint is suspected, a nosode may be given to clear the taint.
But using combination remedies is like simple arithmetic.Remedy 'A' has symptom number 1,2 and 4, while the remedy 'B' has the symptom number 3 and 5.Give them together and all five symptoms will fall.But sorry, this is not homeopathy as it violates a number of rules laid down by the great masters of homeopathy for case taking.It shows that a proper case (i am talking here of chronic disease) which always includes the mental/emotional picture, life history recorded on a time line, history of past diseases, the current symptoms and the pathological report when needed, was not taken.Because at a given point of time, only one remedy which covers most of the symptoms - specially the mental/emotional ones - or the truly strange, rare and peculiar symptoms (PQRS symptoms) is invariably indicated.This remedy, if indeed it is the 'similimum' for that layer will take care of that layer and those symptoms will be completely annihilated.Then if some small symptoms remainor a new layer comes up, a 'similimum' is again found for that layer and so on till a complete cure is established.To completely cure a chronic case is to give a complete new life, a completely new level of health to a person which he probably never experienced in his life.
In acute, life threatening cases, one can give a number of remedies one after the other, till one of them clicks.Here one can wait for as little as 2 to 5 minutes depending upon the gravity of the situation.
I will cite my son's case.When he was only 5 months old, i was at the hospital tending to my father along with my brother, who had suffered a brain haemorrhage.My wife called me on my mobile desperately asking me to come home as my son had a sudden attack of inexplicable diarrhoea.He had passed 20 stools in 3 hours and was fast sinking.I immediately rushed and on the way bought the famous anti-cholera trio of Hahnemann, Camphor, Veratrum Alb., and Cuprum Met.When i reached home, Rohan was in a stupor, with eyes half closed, and fast sinking.I immediately gave 1 drop of Camphor in a teaspoonful of water.No response.He passed a watery stool in 2 minutes.I then gave Veratrum in like manner.No response.Again a stool in 2 minutes.I gave Cupum.Worked like magic.Did not pass a stool till next evening.He received a few more doses and he was cured.Did i take a case? No.Did i use empiricism? Yes.So truly acute situations are different and may need a different approach.
Rajiv
Pankaj said:
'When homeopathic meds can work even while allopathic meds are being given....surely 2/3 homeopathic meds given in alteration/succesion or together (combination meds)..will also give results.'
Surely, this kind of allopathic thinking by some homeopaths is the reason why such prescriptions are made by many qualified homeopaths all over the world.But, it again is a short cut approach and betrays a lack of good understanding of homeopathy's basics.
I will first question the wisdom of comparing allopathic drugs to homeopathic remedies.They are like chalk and cheese and cannot be compared.The first is a drug while the second is an energy with a particular frequency designed to touch the 'vital force' at its own level.Crude allopathic drugs can never touch the cause of the disease which disturbs the vital force from proper functioning.Homeopathic remedies can and always do when the remedy as well as the potency is correct.Deeper the 'vital disturbance', higher the potency needed.
Coming to the point of multiple remedies.They certainly often follow one another but not necessarily, but quite frequently.But a homeopath can never pre- judge which remedy will be needed subsequently.It is only the symptoms that decide the choice of subsequent remedies.Sometimes, when a miasmatic taint is suspected, a nosode may be given to clear the taint.
But using combination remedies is like simple arithmetic.Remedy 'A' has symptom number 1,2 and 4, while the remedy 'B' has the symptom number 3 and 5.Give them together and all five symptoms will fall.But sorry, this is not homeopathy as it violates a number of rules laid down by the great masters of homeopathy for case taking.It shows that a proper case (i am talking here of chronic disease) which always includes the mental/emotional picture, life history recorded on a time line, history of past diseases, the current symptoms and the pathological report when needed, was not taken.Because at a given point of time, only one remedy which covers most of the symptoms - specially the mental/emotional ones - or the truly strange, rare and peculiar symptoms (PQRS symptoms) is invariably indicated.This remedy, if indeed it is the 'similimum' for that layer will take care of that layer and those symptoms will be completely annihilated.Then if some small symptoms remainor a new layer comes up, a 'similimum' is again found for that layer and so on till a complete cure is established.To completely cure a chronic case is to give a complete new life, a completely new level of health to a person which he probably never experienced in his life.
In acute, life threatening cases, one can give a number of remedies one after the other, till one of them clicks.Here one can wait for as little as 2 to 5 minutes depending upon the gravity of the situation.
I will cite my son's case.When he was only 5 months old, i was at the hospital tending to my father along with my brother, who had suffered a brain haemorrhage.My wife called me on my mobile desperately asking me to come home as my son had a sudden attack of inexplicable diarrhoea.He had passed 20 stools in 3 hours and was fast sinking.I immediately rushed and on the way bought the famous anti-cholera trio of Hahnemann, Camphor, Veratrum Alb., and Cuprum Met.When i reached home, Rohan was in a stupor, with eyes half closed, and fast sinking.I immediately gave 1 drop of Camphor in a teaspoonful of water.No response.He passed a watery stool in 2 minutes.I then gave Veratrum in like manner.No response.Again a stool in 2 minutes.I gave Cupum.Worked like magic.Did not pass a stool till next evening.He received a few more doses and he was cured.Did i take a case? No.Did i use empiricism? Yes.So truly acute situations are different and may need a different approach.
Rajiv
♡ rajivprasad last decade
and all the technics Rajiv was talking about are in the Organon.!!!
That is the book you have to start with, and base your practice.Period.
Murthy
That is the book you have to start with, and base your practice.Period.
Murthy
bandarbabu2000 last decade
Rajiv ...you did not try Podophyllum...for thin water stools in quick successions ???
The symptoms you are explaining....it would have acted faster than all other meds.
2/3 weeks back...some adult had a similar problem (posted here on ABC) ...he/she had 40 stools (??).
I had suggested Podo and Phosphorus. He/she reported success. I have many other good experiences with Podo in such situations.
Murthy ...I choose not to reply your mails giving me advice to use classical methods alone...becoz I have told you I use a mixed method of homeopathy.
I am not forcing anyone to use my advice. You are trying to force others to use your advice....then it no longer remains an advice..it becomes a command.
Your posts sound like a command. Who will care for them !! A command (as opposed to an advice) pre-supposes that others lack inteligence. It is a very wrong assumption.
Pankaj Varma
The symptoms you are explaining....it would have acted faster than all other meds.
2/3 weeks back...some adult had a similar problem (posted here on ABC) ...he/she had 40 stools (??).
I had suggested Podo and Phosphorus. He/she reported success. I have many other good experiences with Podo in such situations.
Murthy ...I choose not to reply your mails giving me advice to use classical methods alone...becoz I have told you I use a mixed method of homeopathy.
I am not forcing anyone to use my advice. You are trying to force others to use your advice....then it no longer remains an advice..it becomes a command.
Your posts sound like a command. Who will care for them !! A command (as opposed to an advice) pre-supposes that others lack inteligence. It is a very wrong assumption.
Pankaj Varma
♡ PANKAJ VARMA last decade
Murthy....for your information....reg. typhoid case...on second day of giving Baptisia...they stopped giving allopathic meds.
Anon99 mixed my advice with advice from others like you ..so reversed the benefit that I had brought about for her daughter.
And it is not years. Pl get facts right before shooting out your posts.
How is it that you are not showing us your case taking and prescribing skills???
Pankaj Varma
Anon99 mixed my advice with advice from others like you ..so reversed the benefit that I had brought about for her daughter.
And it is not years. Pl get facts right before shooting out your posts.
How is it that you are not showing us your case taking and prescribing skills???
Pankaj Varma
♡ PANKAJ VARMA last decade
Dear Pankaj
Please wait for a few days to see my way of prescribing.
You can see I am very busy right now, with what I am doing.
Many patients remark that they don't know much about homeopathy, and my posts are meant for them.
Those who feel they know it all, will simply ignore my suggestions, and proceed.
Murthy
Please wait for a few days to see my way of prescribing.
You can see I am very busy right now, with what I am doing.
Many patients remark that they don't know much about homeopathy, and my posts are meant for them.
Those who feel they know it all, will simply ignore my suggestions, and proceed.
Murthy
bandarbabu2000 last decade
Dear Pankaj,
Thanks for the Podophyllum advice.But i did not have it with me at the time.I had only bought those 3 remedies as in my experience 90% of acute diarrhoea and cholera cases are curable by one of these three and they follow each other well.
By the way Cuprum Met worked like magic as i mentioned and later helped my son with a number of other problems that he had.
With warm regards.
Rajiv
Thanks for the Podophyllum advice.But i did not have it with me at the time.I had only bought those 3 remedies as in my experience 90% of acute diarrhoea and cholera cases are curable by one of these three and they follow each other well.
By the way Cuprum Met worked like magic as i mentioned and later helped my son with a number of other problems that he had.
With warm regards.
Rajiv
♡ rajivprasad last decade
Dear Rajiv,
By the way....scientific examination of Nux vomica and Dulcamara ...has revealed that the two plants have significant quantities of copper in them (Cuprum Met.).
Just sharing with you and others.
Best wishes,
Pankaj Varma
By the way....scientific examination of Nux vomica and Dulcamara ...has revealed that the two plants have significant quantities of copper in them (Cuprum Met.).
Just sharing with you and others.
Best wishes,
Pankaj Varma
♡ PANKAJ VARMA last decade
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