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Dear friends,I am opening a new thread to display this small write up that i wrote, as i thought that to believe in homeopathy a new and slightly less 'materialistic' world view is needed.I hope members of the forum find it interesting.This write up was written on another thread addressed to Pankaj.
Rajiv
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Dear Pankaj,
I don't know how much you are into following the latest researh in Physics.I have a very deep interest personally.Specially the fascinating world of Quantum Physics.
You know, one conclusion that has been reached unanimously is that a model of thought cannot be applied to the quantum domain.An electron is not a particle of matter but a probability distribution of the possible locations where it could be found at an instant of time.The probability wave function materialises into an electron when we seek to find it.So, physicists are realising that what we take to be our concrete reality appears so concrete because we are conditioned by our expectations of finding a concrete world.The human body is 99% space and only 1% matter!!But our eyes deceive us into believing the 'myth' of a concrete body because they are not equipped to see the 'huge' (relatively speaking) intracellular spaces that exist in our body.
Then there is this myth of 'time' which they have started to discover now.This 'impossibility' of an object being at two or more places at the same time.Well even this holy 'myth' has been broken forcing the scientists to redefine an electron as a wave function which can exist at the same time at an infinite number of places.Exactly where it will manifest materially depends upon where the 'observer' expects to find it.So, all is 'Maya' (illusion) which our enlightened Rishis (sages) have been telling us down the ages.
In this new perspective of emergent science, the solid sanctity of the 'observer's ability to observe' and the 'concrete reality of the observed world' are both very tenuous and insecure.In such a changed scenario where our accustomed 'ways of looking' at the world are increasingly found to be inadequate, i think this insistence to develop a meter to measure the 'vital force' and to measure the levels of 'palliation' and 'cure' is extremely optimistic and a bit naive, if i may say so.
Homeopathy was a miraculous 'pathy' for the Science of yesterday, but it is not so for today's Science.A lot of research is currently going on which will surely in this century reveal why and how these remedies work despite there being no traces of matter in them.For example, there is this research going on the M4 state where all the elements of the periodic table break the barriesr and start to behave like one.Who knows, all of us may be literally one.The tiny cells of a gigantic multi-cellular God.
Be happy and bring happiness to other members of this forum by your Guru's grace.
With lots of love,
Your brother,
Rajiv
♥ rajivprasad on 2006-11-03
This is just a forum. Assume posts are not from medical professionals.
This is what Pankaj replied on the other thread with his scientific views.
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Dear Rajiv,
As an Electronics Engineer, I have obviously studied Physics..right to the stage of Nuclear Physics.
I have always believed that some day ..science will find a way to convert energy into matter..which is the reverse of Einstien's Theory of Relativity (E=mc2)....where he has given a relationship that mass when broken into energy gives a quantity of energy determined by his famous equation E=mc squared.
All matter is composed of electrons, neutrons and protons....which are energy particles.
(This matches with the concept of 'Maya').
All elements in the Periodic Table are made up of electrons, protons and neutrons....only for each element...the mix of the electrons, protons and neutrons is different....hence the atomic weight is different.
A day will come when some scientist will compress energy into matter. That will prove...everything is 'Maya'....made of energy!!
SAI BABA is already doing it through his Divine Powers...when he produces Vibhuti and other things from 'thin air'.
Till now we know...one form of energy gets converted into another form of energy...sound to light to mechanical to magnetic to electronic and so on ....
We have yet to see a scientist converting energy into mass.
All nerves in the body carry energy signals..homeopathic meds (in my view) stimulate the nodal points of the nerves ..thereby bringing a change in the energy signals...in turn the body responds. ( A simple explaination I use for myself).
We are all hoping new research will bring new insights and more advanced ways of treating patients.
Thanks for your fine wishes and I reciprocate the same in an equal measure.
Best wishes,
Pankaj Varma
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My reply to Pankaj:
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Dear Pankaj,
Nice to know that you are an electronics engineer.
I also have a very deep interest in subjects like astrology, numerology, sacred numerology, sacred geometry and spirituality in a general sense.I always wonder about the paranormal phenomena that some people are able to exhibit sometimes.That includes people like Sai Baba.
Many people who have been kind enough to share their experiences of a deep state of meditation often describe the sensation of being pulled up into some kind of a spiral wherein higher they go the more widely awakened and lighter they feel.In such a state, they lose the sense of time, narrow individual egos, seem to have greater understanding and so on.
My sense is that as we potentise these remedies, we are somehow climbing higher into the spiral that envelops this universe where we reside.It is from this spiral that this healing energy comes.But then, the spiral contains all the possible frequencies and different substances are manifestations of energies of different (unique) frequencies and hence we need to match the remedy to the person sitting before us.
Any way its a fascinating subject and i just thought i will share some of my ideas.If some people are interested in this kind of a discussion, i will write more when i have more time.But i definitely plan to study these subjects more with a hope of somehow integrating a number of these subjects.
For example, i always look at horoscopes of people for whom i have seen certain remedies working, trying to figure out the astrological signature of the different remedies.Till now, i have found a few signatures.Will research more later when i have more time and then publish the results in a book.
Any way, thanks for responding to my earlier post.I had thought it may be a dry topic to you.I also feel that this world has had enough of competition, selfishness, oneupmanship and hate.These things have brought us very close to destruction.It is time that at least some of us in some of the places like this forum try to bring in the universal power of love.I invite others to join me in this effort.Let us debate and discuss; but in love and not in hate.
Rajiv
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Dear Rajiv,
As an Electronics Engineer, I have obviously studied Physics..right to the stage of Nuclear Physics.
I have always believed that some day ..science will find a way to convert energy into matter..which is the reverse of Einstien's Theory of Relativity (E=mc2)....where he has given a relationship that mass when broken into energy gives a quantity of energy determined by his famous equation E=mc squared.
All matter is composed of electrons, neutrons and protons....which are energy particles.
(This matches with the concept of 'Maya').
All elements in the Periodic Table are made up of electrons, protons and neutrons....only for each element...the mix of the electrons, protons and neutrons is different....hence the atomic weight is different.
A day will come when some scientist will compress energy into matter. That will prove...everything is 'Maya'....made of energy!!
SAI BABA is already doing it through his Divine Powers...when he produces Vibhuti and other things from 'thin air'.
Till now we know...one form of energy gets converted into another form of energy...sound to light to mechanical to magnetic to electronic and so on ....
We have yet to see a scientist converting energy into mass.
All nerves in the body carry energy signals..homeopathic meds (in my view) stimulate the nodal points of the nerves ..thereby bringing a change in the energy signals...in turn the body responds. ( A simple explaination I use for myself).
We are all hoping new research will bring new insights and more advanced ways of treating patients.
Thanks for your fine wishes and I reciprocate the same in an equal measure.
Best wishes,
Pankaj Varma
.............XXXXXXXXXX.............
My reply to Pankaj:
.............XXXXXXXXXXX.............
Dear Pankaj,
Nice to know that you are an electronics engineer.
I also have a very deep interest in subjects like astrology, numerology, sacred numerology, sacred geometry and spirituality in a general sense.I always wonder about the paranormal phenomena that some people are able to exhibit sometimes.That includes people like Sai Baba.
Many people who have been kind enough to share their experiences of a deep state of meditation often describe the sensation of being pulled up into some kind of a spiral wherein higher they go the more widely awakened and lighter they feel.In such a state, they lose the sense of time, narrow individual egos, seem to have greater understanding and so on.
My sense is that as we potentise these remedies, we are somehow climbing higher into the spiral that envelops this universe where we reside.It is from this spiral that this healing energy comes.But then, the spiral contains all the possible frequencies and different substances are manifestations of energies of different (unique) frequencies and hence we need to match the remedy to the person sitting before us.
Any way its a fascinating subject and i just thought i will share some of my ideas.If some people are interested in this kind of a discussion, i will write more when i have more time.But i definitely plan to study these subjects more with a hope of somehow integrating a number of these subjects.
For example, i always look at horoscopes of people for whom i have seen certain remedies working, trying to figure out the astrological signature of the different remedies.Till now, i have found a few signatures.Will research more later when i have more time and then publish the results in a book.
Any way, thanks for responding to my earlier post.I had thought it may be a dry topic to you.I also feel that this world has had enough of competition, selfishness, oneupmanship and hate.These things have brought us very close to destruction.It is time that at least some of us in some of the places like this forum try to bring in the universal power of love.I invite others to join me in this effort.Let us debate and discuss; but in love and not in hate.
Rajiv
♡ rajivprasad last decade
Einstein Explains the Equivalence of Energy and Matter
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'It followed from the special theory of relativity that mass and energy are both but different manifestations of the same thing -- a somewhat unfamiliar conception for the average mind. Furthermore, the equation E is equal to m c-squared, in which energy is put equal to mass, multiplied by the square of the velocity of light, showed that very small amounts of mass may be converted into a very large amount of energy and vice versa. The mass and energy were in fact equivalent, according to the formula mentioned above. This was demonstrated by Cockcroft and Walton in 1932, experimentally.'
http://www.aip.org/history/einstein/voice1.htm
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Einstein himself says, a large amount of energy can be converted into mass.
Where is the question of doubt?
No divine powers are needed to do it.
Why bring in SAIBABA's vibhuti here?
If he can produce things from thin air, let him produce gold coins and give it to the poor. Poverty in India can be eradicated in one day.
Why produce useless 'vibhuti'?
Everybody knows how this useless 'vibhuti' is produced. Any roadside magician can do this trick.
Let us confine our discussions to the subject matter,rather than trying to win disciples to your 'Swamyji'.
Murthy
To listen to Albert Einstein explain his famous formula:
Click here for a 1203 K .wav file.
Click here for a 436 K .au file.
Click here for a 109 K .mp3 file.
'It followed from the special theory of relativity that mass and energy are both but different manifestations of the same thing -- a somewhat unfamiliar conception for the average mind. Furthermore, the equation E is equal to m c-squared, in which energy is put equal to mass, multiplied by the square of the velocity of light, showed that very small amounts of mass may be converted into a very large amount of energy and vice versa. The mass and energy were in fact equivalent, according to the formula mentioned above. This was demonstrated by Cockcroft and Walton in 1932, experimentally.'
http://www.aip.org/history/einstein/voice1.htm
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Einstein himself says, a large amount of energy can be converted into mass.
Where is the question of doubt?
No divine powers are needed to do it.
Why bring in SAIBABA's vibhuti here?
If he can produce things from thin air, let him produce gold coins and give it to the poor. Poverty in India can be eradicated in one day.
Why produce useless 'vibhuti'?
Everybody knows how this useless 'vibhuti' is produced. Any roadside magician can do this trick.
Let us confine our discussions to the subject matter,rather than trying to win disciples to your 'Swamyji'.
Murthy
♡ gavinimurthy last decade
Dear Mr.Murthy,
I request you most humbly to not throw ridicule on Sai Baba as believing in a Guru is a very personal choice and a very 'sacred' one to the person concerned.Ridiculing a Guru like this hurts the person very deeply and may mar the personal relationship between two people to an irreparable extent.I am trying my best to bring about a spirit of friendliness at least if not love and cooperation on this forum.Please listen to my request.
I will be very grateful to you.Besides faith is 'sacred' and it does not matter what is the truth at an absolute level.We should respect the 'conditional personal truths' which includes faith in a particular spiritual teacher.
Rajiv
I request you most humbly to not throw ridicule on Sai Baba as believing in a Guru is a very personal choice and a very 'sacred' one to the person concerned.Ridiculing a Guru like this hurts the person very deeply and may mar the personal relationship between two people to an irreparable extent.I am trying my best to bring about a spirit of friendliness at least if not love and cooperation on this forum.Please listen to my request.
I will be very grateful to you.Besides faith is 'sacred' and it does not matter what is the truth at an absolute level.We should respect the 'conditional personal truths' which includes faith in a particular spiritual teacher.
Rajiv
♡ rajivprasad last decade
Dear Rajiv
What is the necessity of bringing SAIBABA's Vibhuti, into a discussion on Einstein's theory of relativity?
Let serious issues be discussed in a serious way.
You might have noticed that I will not say anything contraversial on my own.
I do so only when I am provoked.
Anyway, i will take your advice.
But,let there be restraint and goodwill from the other side too.
Murthy
What is the necessity of bringing SAIBABA's Vibhuti, into a discussion on Einstein's theory of relativity?
Let serious issues be discussed in a serious way.
You might have noticed that I will not say anything contraversial on my own.
I do so only when I am provoked.
Anyway, i will take your advice.
But,let there be restraint and goodwill from the other side too.
Murthy
♡ gavinimurthy last decade
Dear Rajiv
Very interesting article you wrote to Pankaj, I am very much interested in the alter states of matter which is basically energy and how they both change their characteristics. All the miracles associated with the saints and prophets are a manifestation of the same phenomena, by some divine knowledge they had the key to change matter(energy) at will.
Things get more complicated at the creature's level, god has created different kinds of creature with varying intellect and freedom, and they are
1. Rocks and clay
2. Plants
3. Animals
5.1 Elementals - Human
5.2 Elementals - Jinn
Now the frequencies of energies of the above four are close to each other, where as the energy frequency of Jinns are different, ergo, they can pass through wall, and can perform incredible things which our saints and prophets are famous for. Those miracles for humans are acquired, where as for jinns they are natural.
All the above creations are still within one dimension of energy (matter), yet there are several dimensions.
When animals, humans and jinns die, their astral body moves into another dimension of reality, and they keep on moving from one dimension to another dimension till they get united with the creature, and finally loose their individuality/ego.
Rajiv, if you get some time, please read 'Altered states of Consciousness' by Jane Roberts
regards
sazim
Very interesting article you wrote to Pankaj, I am very much interested in the alter states of matter which is basically energy and how they both change their characteristics. All the miracles associated with the saints and prophets are a manifestation of the same phenomena, by some divine knowledge they had the key to change matter(energy) at will.
Things get more complicated at the creature's level, god has created different kinds of creature with varying intellect and freedom, and they are
1. Rocks and clay
2. Plants
3. Animals
5.1 Elementals - Human
5.2 Elementals - Jinn
Now the frequencies of energies of the above four are close to each other, where as the energy frequency of Jinns are different, ergo, they can pass through wall, and can perform incredible things which our saints and prophets are famous for. Those miracles for humans are acquired, where as for jinns they are natural.
All the above creations are still within one dimension of energy (matter), yet there are several dimensions.
When animals, humans and jinns die, their astral body moves into another dimension of reality, and they keep on moving from one dimension to another dimension till they get united with the creature, and finally loose their individuality/ego.
Rajiv, if you get some time, please read 'Altered states of Consciousness' by Jane Roberts
regards
sazim
sazim last decade
Dear Sazim,
Thanks for your kind words.Will definitely rad the book you recommended later on when i have more time.You may also read a book called 'Autobiography of an Yogi' by Paramhansa Yogananda.An excellent and interesting book.Also 'Conversations with God' (three volumes) by Neale Donald Walsch.
Rajiv
Thanks for your kind words.Will definitely rad the book you recommended later on when i have more time.You may also read a book called 'Autobiography of an Yogi' by Paramhansa Yogananda.An excellent and interesting book.Also 'Conversations with God' (three volumes) by Neale Donald Walsch.
Rajiv
♡ rajivprasad last decade
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