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Reporting ..after giving Natrum Mur to my son

Dear jacob and Rishimba,
As both of you suggested to give Nat Mur 1M. I gave him 2 dose at an interval of 15 days. I could'nt see any any positive change in his behaviour. Infact his autistic behaviour has increased. It seems he is more preoccupied and lost in his behaviour. I am feeling very puzzled and depressed. Do not know what step should i take next. Do i need to antidot or wait? Please reply soon.
Dipika
 
  Dipika on 2006-12-09
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dipika,

please wait for a few days. as such nat mur cannot, in any case, induce permanent autism tendencies in him. this must be an aggravation.

please wait for some days. i feel this is temporary.
 
rishimba last decade
Please describe to us how your son was diagnosed with autism.

Many thanks.
 
ZepOz last decade
Rishimba,
If you say so i will wait . But i want to tell you that when i first gave the 1M dose, his aggravation was more screaming and upset mood. After 2 days when it was over he seems to be more burried in his thought. but i again gave another dose after two weeks ..this time there was no aggravation in his shrieking (it was like his usual pattern) but burried in his thought and behaviour is little higher. First day he was very quite as if thinking about something very deeply. He was not responding to his call. After two days he again became less quite but in total his behaviour from 20 days is more autistic than before. Should aggravation continue for so long?If you think its ok ..i will wait for few more days. Please let me know if you think aggravation should not be for so long.
Thanks!
Dipika
 
Dipika last decade
ZepOz,
He was diagnosed autistic at the age of 3 and half..when he was not taking interest with his peer in his kindergartden school. He used to play in one corner with toys. He learnt very few words till 3 years . Even though he was bright regarding learning alphabets, numbers, colors and very smart to express his needs. He was very demanding child. Fruit juices, sodas and soups were/are biggest attraction. He likes all kinds of fruits specially orange. He has crave for freshly made orange juice, watermelon juice or any other fruit juices. From the age of three month or less he used to react with music very much. With one particular emotional songs he used too make whistle kind of sound when he was 3 months old which we all used to feel very unusual. He used to go to sleep by soft songs. Also he used to love happy and danceing kind of songs also.In toys he loved all vehicle toys and those what make some music or pattern songs.
His sleeping was very disturbed till 2 years. He used to urinate also more than intake. Very sensitive to sound. Little sound was enough to disturb his sleep. Never slept in crib as he never liked from day 1.
I think ..i should stop here as ... there is so much write.
I think if u ask me in particular ... i can write more.
Dipika
 
Dipika last decade
dipika,

i am afraid we are not getting anywhere with nat mur.

as far as aggravations are concerned, this will only last for 2 to 3 days. if its apparantly lasting for 20 days and more, its not aggravation.

can you tell me some peculiar idiosyncracies of your son which could give us a clue.
 
rishimba last decade
Dipika,

Thank you for your information about your son. Can I ask: Has your son been properly examined by a reputable pediatric specialist, and the diagnosis of autism actually confirmed?
 
ZepOz last decade
Rishimba,
So you are suggesting not give nat mur any more. Should i antidote?Please let me know.
Now peculier symtomps there are many as an autistic. I'm writing some which ever i can remember now
1) Hands restless
2)keep walking, moving mostly
3)Shrieking in happy excitement or anger
4)Likes to play in water for hours ..in pools, bath tubs ..likes play with water tap ...sometimes forgets to close and water overflowed from tub
likes to drop water from balcony etc
5)Hair greying from age 4.
6)Back is bending
7)Very high in imagination .. sometimes as if he is part of his own imagination.
8)General anxiety and boredom. Anxiety related parents ..if not come home soon in evening or night.

9)Likes toys which has vibration. Likes to hear the vibration buzz.

10)Gets static shock very often than normal

11)Great craving for fresh fruit juice.

12)masturbating from last few months every day once ..i don't its normal or not

13)From last few years his body is growing very fast and tall
 
Dipika last decade
ZepOz,
Yes his autism diagnosis is confirmed as High functioning PDD-NOS. He falls in the wide spectrum of autism including symptoms of ADHD etc.
 
Dipika last decade
please do not give NAT MUR any more.

you have already tried some doses and it has not worked as expected. its better to stop it.

i presume its been a month you have given nat mur to him and so antidoting is not required.

i have another remedy in mind which is indicated for autistic children who constantly flap their hands and shriek in excitement.

this is AGARICUS MUSCARIUS in high potency.

you can try with just one dose of AGARICUS 1M on any one morning and note the changes for the next 15 days.

if the changes are positive, we can repeat it once a month or go for a higher potency.

lastly, refering to the 12th point, its normal for a child to play with his genitals to an extent but ' masturbation' is neither normal nor possible by a 3 year old.

for antidoting, you can give a 3 doses of PHOSPHORUS 6c or 12c on any one day and wait for 2 to 3 days.
 
rishimba last decade
Rishimba,
Mastubation he has started not at age 3 but recently at age of 11 and half. I'm sorry if i have written in a wrong way. You are right noone can do at age of 3. I'm worried whether doing everyday is normal or not.

Today i read about AGARICUS MUSCARIUS by Kent . But first i need to antidote his nat mur effect It is severe and it is very difficult for me to manage. Yesterday we went to market and he ceated so much problem and shreking that everyone was looking at us. We could not do any thing.
I don't have phosphorus 6 or 12 c. I have 30 c though. Can phos 30 c help? I have Argentum nit 6x, Kali phos 6x and nat mur 6x. Please let me know because for phos 6 c i have to order and it will take 7 to 10 dyas. Can coffee etc can antidote?
 
Dipika last decade
yes, you can give him phosphorus 30c two or three doses in a day. thats all, and wait for a few days.

now, regarding masturbation, its definitely not advisable at this growing age. you should try to explain the adverse consequences of this practice to him and ensure that he overcomes this urge by engaging himself in other interesting activities like games, music etc.
 
rishimba last decade
Dipika,

Thank you for your response. Can I ask: Who diagnosed your son? Was it a GP? Pediatrician? Psychologist?

And what research have you done into his condition of PDD-NOS? have you spoken with specialist clinics? Done any library or internet research, etc?
 
ZepOz last decade
Rishimba,
Thanks for your reply. Regarding masturbation i tried everything to distract but its very difficult. The urge is so stong that distracting him feels like a battle for me!
That's the reason i mentioned this in this thread if this indicate anywhere with Phosphorus group. I need your suggestion regarding Phosphoric Acid. Grey hair(more than 100), crave for fruits(specially orange) and fresh juice, dwelling in past, stooped back, numbness in toes and other body part(asking for tickling and biting) and now SEXUAL EXCESS ... are't symptoms of phos acid? Even though shreiking does'nt match with that. Please let me know what do you think about it. Actually i have it at home now and very keen to give that... but i want your suggestion first.
 
Dipika last decade
dipika,

yes, most of the symptoms are matching to that of phosphoric acid.

also, phosphorus would be a good antidote for nat mur in this condition.

you can try phosphoricum acidum with a very low potency and gradually going up if you notice changes.

start with 3c or 6c then 30c and go on like that.
 
rishimba last decade
Rishimba,
Today i gave one dose of phosphorus to antidote nat mur.
I'm happy to know you too think same for phos acid. I have some questions ..why you recommended to start with lower potency? Is it because most of the symptoms i mention for phos acid are physical not mental? If it gives some positive results for his physical symptoms like sexual behaviour, craving for juices etc ..can we link anywhere with autism(with higher potencies) because for autism you told that we should start with 1 M .
I was also thinking of CALC PHOS for the phosphorus part. My son has history of late walking and teething. He had bad teeth with many cavities. He had severe tooth decay from very small age. His all milk teeth is bad. He used to have diarrhoea problem before but after stopping milk and milk product it is completly stopped. Do you think it is pointing to calcarea. Does phosphorus part in this can help the issues those i mentioned for phos acid in my last post? Please let me know ..whatever you think about it. Your suggestions are big HELP.
 
Dipika last decade
for good development of bones and teeth, under the conditions you have stated, CALC PHOS 200c would be of use once a week.

you can continue it for many weeks, there is no harm.

regarding phosphoric acid, i asked you to start from a lower potency just to make sure he is responding in the physical plane as most of his symptoms are close acid phos.

also, a question- do you have any history of alcoholics in the family or ulcers which have not been cured homoeopathically.
 
rishimba last decade
Rishimba,
Which one do you prefer to give first Calc phos or Phos acid or which is better?

There is no severe case of alcoholics in family. My maternal uncle was bit addictive but due to family pressure and health reason it was controlled .
When i was small i used to feel attraction for alchohol but thankfuly i'm allergic to alcohol ...i get a strange pain inback of my neck and spine even if i take one spoon. That's why i never get addicted. Though now i feel no attraction for alcohol.
I don't think there is any history of ulcer also.
There is history of tumer, cancer and epilepsy in the family.
 
Dipika last decade
You can start CALC PHOS 200C one dose every week for some weeks. this will help in building good bones and teeth. do not give PHOS ACID now as he doesnt need it at this time.

now, do you think there have been some ill effects of immunization or vaccinations.

working on first principles, the immunizations and suppressed diseases of the past have to be considered first.

initially, you can give 3 doses of Calc Phos at 4 hours interval to start a reaction. later you can give one dose per week.

come back after a week or 10 days.
 
rishimba last decade
Could you please tell me how many pellets of Nat. Mur. you gave your son? You say you have given him two doses; how many pellets is that per dose? I ask because, after having had it prescribed by two homeopaths, I know that I will get a slight aggravation with just two pellets of 1M. With four pellets, I would surely get a significant aggravation. I ask because it looks to me as though it could be a case of similar aggravation--right remedy, too much medicine.
 
TreeFrog last decade
Dear all Just an input here:

Quote:

Nat. Mur cannot often be repeated in chronic cases without an intercurrent, called for by the symptoms.


If vertigo and headache be very persistent, or prostration be prolonged after Natrum, Nux will relieve.

Unquote

Above quote is from Allen, So even if Nat. Mur is indicated in chronic conditions, repetition will be a bit hard on patients(particularly high potency)and will warrant use of intercurrent remedy according to indications.
 
maheeru last decade
Maheeru,
Thanks for your input which is definetely good to know for newcomer like me.
Now according to dictionary meaning of intercurrent 'occurring during and modifying the course of another disease' ..is it the same thing e.g Nux will only take away the vertigo but rest of nat mur good effect will not change?
How many other medicine are there which need intercurrent like this?
Thanks!


Treefrog,
I don't think aggravation has any relation with numbers of pills. So 2 or 4 pellets don't make any difference.
 
Dipika last decade
Rishimba,
I will report to you after giving calc phos to my son
Dipika
 
Dipika last decade
Without a doubt the number of pellets has very much to do with whether a person aggravates or not. Too much of the right remedy in the right potency will cause an aggravation. A certain number of pellets--if the remedy and potency are correct--will help; any more than that will harm, increasingly so as the dosage is raised.
 
TreeFrog last decade

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