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We dislike nobody for asking questions!

Neither do we own homeopathy !

All can try and build their faith on their own !

Best,
Pankaj Varma
 
PANKAJ VARMA last decade
Pankaj, I just think it's really weird that a lot of you use religious words when you talk about homeopathy. "Faith?" "Convert?"

I've been reading more and more about it, and it looks like there's no reason why it would work. I see a lot of comments about treatments that don't work. It looks to me like when it DOES work, it's on stuff that your mindset can control, like pain or nausea or eczema. Or on things that go into remission a lot, like rheumatoid arthritis.

It just looks like a big placebo.

And it looks really bad when the practitioners can't explain it, or refuse to explain it. It also looks really bad when people with questions get told they're "closed-minded." (that to me is just stupid-- open-minded people ask questions, closed-minded people don't)
 
Orume last decade
I also don't see how treating symptoms would be a cure. I mean, you could have belly pain from a liver tumor, and relieve the pain, but the tumor's still there.

Or have muscular spasms from tetanus, or dizziness from low blood pressure, or lesions from AIDS, etc etc etc.

Treating the symptoms doesn't equal a cure, you know? Do you see what I mean?
 
Orume last decade
Orume !
I donot accept at all what you say because there is a lot of difference between you and me.

I have been with homeopathy for 20 years and you have just started your investigation into this subject.

I have seen hundreds of people benefit from homeopathy thru my own prescriptions and prescriptions of my close friends.

You have yet to try the first homeopathic med. in your life.

Reg. Tetnus....pl. see some of the connected posts here and read about the homeopathic medicine ...LEDUM.

Homeopathy treats the complete individual taking into account all the manifestations of the disease.....not just one or two manifestations.

Any way, I wish you success in your endeavours.

After all it is not binding that every one will find homeopathy as his/her way of treating disease.

The practitioners of other forms of medicine have to earn their living too.

Wish you good luck
Best,
Pankaj Varma
 
PANKAJ VARMA last decade
"I just think it's really weird that a lot of you use religious words when you talk about homeopathy. "Faith?" "Convert?"

Why do you think its weird?
When one says that they have faith in the ability of the sun to rise tomorrow, or that they will convert from dollars to euros, does that mean it has a religious connotation?
I don't think so.
I have seen on several other healing and healthcare forums people that start out with questions, go onto the placebo question, then onto religious references and mind control when they are trying to destroy homeopathy. We all know that they have been trying to do this for several centuries, its like banging their heads on a wall. This is so old.
If you don't like homeopathy thats fine, but first seek treatment by a professional homeopath just to find out what it's all about, before you try to blemish this wonderful healing art.

have a wonderful day,
salty
 
saltOftheEarth last decade
If it was just placebo effect, where was the need to have 3000 different medicines.

Just the blank glucose pills (without the medicine dropped on it) we use in homeopathy should have done the job !

Orume!

Your "Karma" has brought you to this site...either you or someone dear to you needs homeopathic healing !

Have you been praying for some-one dear to you to get well????

Only 4% of the brain contributes to the concious thought......the rest 96 % of the brain controls the sub-concious.......the power of the sub-concious has led you to this site.

Best wishes,
Pankaj Varma
 
PANKAJ VARMA last decade
saltOftheEarth--

I'm not trying to "destroy" anything, I am raising valid questions.

I have consulted a professional homeopath here in my town, and she has said the very same things you have, using the same religious words and vague explanations.

Pankaj--

You could have 3000, or 30, or 3 different medicines, and still have a placebo effect here. The homeopathic remedies are so diluted, how could it do anything but produce a placebo effect?
Still no one has answered this effectively.

No Pankaj, I have not been praying for anyone to get well recently, and I do not believe in such a thing as "karma." I'm sorry, but I believe you are mistaken.

As for your brain quote, where did you get that? Who said it? It sounds a little absurd, I'd like to know where you got it from before I believe you. No offense meant by that, I just don't believe everything I read. (nor should I)
 
Orume last decade
AHHH, I knew this posting would twist into this.

The first thing you should do Orume, is take a 5 day class on mediation. NOT meditation.

Mediation is being taught how to peacefully communicate with others. To ask questions to get clear answers.

Mediation is learning how to speak to people without sounding like an immature person getting insulted or irritated at every turn.

Mediation is learning how to stop insulting the very people you wish to receive clear information from. Every time someone says something, you have an insult to offer.

Mediation is finding peace within yourself and when you do, every knowledge you ever wanted to absorb will be available to you without all this thrashing around.

You may not believe what others believe, but you do not have the right to put down their beliefs. This is called civil rights. (just to clarify, I am not speaking of Homeopathy!)

As you are in the USA, you might remember this before speaking your disregard for others. As ever, Sabra
 
sabra last decade
Hi,
Now I understand why you were so sure about the ERythromycin re tetanus.

Is your brother allergic to penicillin, then? Usually that is what accounts for the prescribing of Erythromycin...

Okay, but I want you to understand that the Ledum did work.I was the best after taking the Ledum, that I have been.

But, and this is a big BUT, no one here mentioned that I'd have to recouperate for a long time.

I'd read that in other places, so I probably should have figured it applied here as well as to allopathic medicine.

When I just went back to my life as if I hadn't been sick, that was a BIG error.

When I thought I'd never been sick -- rather than thinking that I had been very sick and the Ledum and worked very well, that was a BIG error.

Further, the second time around the LEdum did not make so much difference.

I can see that it is still working, because when I was going to take it only ever 12 hours, I began to have more muscle tightness.


I had a friend who studied Homeopathy in England. She always said that smaller number of pellets taken, the better. That a lot weren't needed.

She also explained to me that the way that the remedies were found, was by testing them... so if you didn't have whatever it was supposed to remedy, it then did give it to you.

I've had that effect. But I can't remember what I brought about.

I have used homeopathics for shingles, with perfect success, so to with hemmroids.

Tinnitus wasn't helped.

The homeopathist I saw said that pernicious anemia could not be helped by it.

Glad to hear you have a little boy. : )

One last thing: the clinical trials, as you call them, were used to establish which thing remedied what... you could read up about the inception of the system on the internet, I'm sure.

What is it that you love the most... besides your child?

It's really good to put energy into what you love the most.

: )

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Consider-This last decade
Orume, You say you are a woman??? This revelation is unbelieveable! Sabra
 
sabra last decade
I don't know why it's unbelievable to you, Sabra. I am very much female. Always have been. :-)
 
Orume last decade
Lack of compassion and the need to argue and discredit is usually absent in women. S.
 
sabra last decade
What you call "lack of compassion," and "need to argue and discredit," I call being logical and realistic.

I do understand most women don't like to rock the boat, but if I have a question, then I am going to ask it, and I don't care if the question is somehow difficult or even offensive. Also, if someone asks for my honest opinion, then that is what they will get.

Of course, men for the most part do not have a "lack of compassion" or "need to discredit" either. Some do, but most do not.

I do find your attitude towards men sexist and crude.
 
Orume last decade
Sabra: why do you bother? Just let go.
 
Astra2012 last decade
Hi Orume,

Have you noticed that by siding with everyone who was saying that I was paranoid, that you joined a defined group and gained approval by means of having a common "enemy"?

In terms of your "honest opinion" was opinion really what was requested, or were you requested to look at the facts and report on the facts.

When I was your age, I sounded a lot like you.

Now that I'm more than twice your age, I've had exponentially more experience.

When you said that you'd not run into the situation Sabra described of doctors not taking women's medical problems seriously, I thought you were a man.

Now I realize that you are simply young.

When I was young I was quite cute and men paid attention -- doctors and otherwise.

The real test comes when one is asking people to listen not because they might benefit in some way... like getting a smile from a pretty girl... but because there is a set of circumstances that could be improved.

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Learn what warning signs to look for --
Karen Kline
 
Consider-This last decade
Yeah, time and life are the best teachers!
 
Astra2012 last decade
Karen--

I have no idea what you're talking about. "Common enemy?" Enemy of what? And what defined group are you talking about?

As for my honest opinion, I did look at the facts at hand and derived my conclusion from them. I still see you as paranoid, evidenced by your need to seek me out in my own thread to continue a discussion that in my view, is worthless. Why bother talking to me if you don't want to listen to me anyway?

You may be twice my age and have had more experience in life, but that doesn't make you very logical or rational, as evidenced by your own words here and on your website.

As for experience with doctors, I have been in the hospital twice-- once for surgery and once to have my son. I also was there for a week with my mother as she healed from a serious peptic ulcer, and have had other shorter experiences with hospitals as well. I have not seen anything like what you, Astra, or Sabra describe. I suspect you three are dabbling in a conspiracy theory concerning the entire professional health field, which is just delusional and ridiculous. It would include millions of people, men and women. Didn't you know there's more women in health professions than men?
 
Orume last decade
Thanks Astra : )



Orume -- Sorry, I wrongly thought you began this thread after participating in mine.
My mistake. I clearly jumped to a conclusion.

: )


An observation: you sound a bit possessive, "my own thread"...
I thought it was a forum thread...????


The phenomenon of doctors not treating women with the same care with which they treat men is not something Sabra and I dreamed up. It has been covered several times on the network news and Oprah.

All doctors participate in it, that includes many women doctors.

Just one small example is the fact that long relied upon heart studies were conducted primarily if not exclusively on men.

The fact that women are different from men in body structure, weight, height, etc. did not stop the results of studies done almost exclusively on men, from being applied to women.

Since that was noted, and covered by ABC news, etc. other studies have been done.

As a result of the more recent studies, it has been learned that whereas it was believed that breast cancer was the number one killer of women, the fact is that heart disease is.



"enemy" was used in a rather figurative way... not literally. Sorry if I confused you.

(this isn't in the same order as you raised the points, sorry.)


I'm sorry if you don't understand my website.

I'm sure there are lots of people who don't understand it.

I suppose to a large extent I created it precisely to bridge gaps in understanding.

: )

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Consider-This last decade
Karen--

I don't see how it's "possessive," this is a thread I started, unlike your thread where the original coversation between you and I was based.

I've looked into your claims of misogyny in health professions, and honestly I see nothing to it except some scare tactics and media sensationalism. This is backed by your statement that Oprah did some show on it-- she's not a journalist, she's a daytime talk-show host.

Your claim that "all doctors participate in it, that includes many women doctors" is ridiculous.

Please tell me what scientific studies have been done on misogyny in the medical world that state conclusively that all doctors are misogynists, including female doctors. Thank you, I'm looking forward to reading them.

Until then, I'm afraid your claim is simply incredible. As in, not credible at all.
 
Orume last decade
Oh, right! Sorry, I meant that of the doctors who participate in it, their number is drawn from all doctors, men and women.

That is, if 80% of doctors participate in it, then that's 80% of all doctors, not just male doctors.

In terms of media sensationalism: ABC, NBC, CBS ... I think of them as pretty main stream.

Oprah tends to follow the national trends. She started out in the news, if I remember correctly.

Show me where I said that the trend was based on hatred --

: )

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Consider-This last decade
Mainstream media is quite well-known for sensationalism. If you remember the big "satanism" scare of the 80's, then you know that to be the case.

As for Oprah, she does follow trends, whether true or not. She's out for ratings, not journalistic integrity.

As for misogyny, that is pretty much what you're accusing doctors of perpetrating. You're saying that they are intentionally endangering the lives of female patients, and I'd say that's equivalent to misogyny.

Where'd you get the 80% figure? Oprah?
 
Orume last decade
Geesh, this has gone right where I thought it would go, what a waste of time.
Orume, why don't you just let yourself be what it can be, don't bother arguing over things you don't understand, homeopathy is very complex, get some books and do what most people here have done, study it, it really is extremely interesting reading.
salty
 
saltOftheEarth last decade
Orume, just show me where I said there was hate involved.

If not, please admit you jumped to a conclusion and were wrong.

: )

The 80% figure is only an illustration, an "as for example, if such and such," then such and such follows...

rather like p's and q's

: )

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Consider-This last decade
Pankaj, Salt, Orume...
Re the remedies:
When Pankaj first suggested Ledum, he said to kill the tetanus.

I think it did that, only the tetanus thing is not just one isolated thing.

If you had read the first page of the Puncture Wound thread, you would have seen that I replied that it had worked, but that not knowing I should take it easy, I didn't and I got much worse.

I suggested that in the future if someone had tetanus, and he suggested Ledum 30, that he should say that once they were better, they had to take it major easy or there could be relapse.

In terms of this wonderful healing art... this is to salt... my friend who studied homeopathy in London (in England the Queen has both a medical doctor and a homeopath) told me that in the great influenza epidemic of 1918, that the patients of homeopathic doctors survived in much greater number than those of medical doctors. The thing was that at that very time the medical doctors were organizing and they wanted to not have competition.

The medical doctors were also very profit oriented, and the fact that the homeopathic doctors were not, made any kind of alliance or union impossible.

Because the Medical Association became very strong, it was able to squash homeopathy and other inexpensive healing arts.

But, as they say: the truth will out.

I love this web site.

I ordered the echinacea through it even though it was about 2 and a half times more than buying it here from Vitamin Cottage, because I wanted to support this totally great site.

: )
 
Consider-This last decade
Pankaj, Salt, Orume...
Re the remedies:
When Pankaj first suggested Ledum, he said to kill the tetanus.

I think it did that, only the tetanus thing is not just one isolated thing.

If you had read the first page of the Puncture Wound thread, you would have seen that I replied that it had worked, but that not knowing I should take it easy, I didn't and I got much worse.

I suggested that in the future if someone had tetanus, and he suggested Ledum 30, that he should say that once they were better, they had to take it major easy or there could be relapse.

In terms of this wonderful healing art... this is to salt... my friend who studied homeopathy in London (in England the Queen has both a medical doctor and a homeopath) told me that in the great influenza epidemic of 1918, that the patients of homeopathic doctors survived in much greater number than those of medical doctors. The thing was that at that very time the medical doctors were organizing and they wanted to not have competition.

The medical doctors were also very profit oriented, and the fact that the homeopathic doctors were not, made any kind of alliance or union impossible.

Because the Medical Association became very strong, it was able to squash homeopathy and other inexpensive healing arts.

But, as they say: the truth will out.

I love this web site.

I ordered the echinacea through it even though it was about 2 and a half times more than buying it here from Vitamin Cottage, because I wanted to support this totally great site.

: )
 
Consider-This last decade
Hello Karen (Consider - this).

....the thread that you posted got extremely polluted with lots of things.

In the limited period I have at my disposal to attend to ABC Forum, I was unable to do more for you.

Anyway, the correct way is to continue the med even after you see improvement.

If you are using the med three times a day, reduce to twice a day and after a week (say) make it once a day.

Second rule is....which is applicable to you now.....when a particular potency of a med (LEDUM in your case) stops giving benefit anymore.....move to the next higher potency.

In your case move to LEDUM 200.....but just one dose per day for a week. Then make it one dose twice a week and so on.

You could have posted a SOS on my e-mail id.

Best,
Pankaj Varma
 
PANKAJ VARMA last decade

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