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throat pain

Hi:
I am 35 years old male and had a cold and fever on last Friday evening. I took acconite 30c every 4 hours for 2 days and got well by Sunday evening. However by Sunday night my tonsils began to hurt. I could see little swelling, and it was red with no thrush. The pain was more on left side, adn as if there is a fish bone in the throat. It hurts when I swallo empty or food. Warm water gurglr relieves pain, but it comes back. IT is better in the morning but worst at night. I am taking hepar sulpher 200c twice a day from sunday evening. Right now the throat pain is equal on both sides. AM I taking the right medicine?? Or if you think of a better medicine, please suggest one.
I do not have a chronic tonsilities, but it happened only two other times in my life, and that also in last 3 years. Both time I ended p taking antibiotics. Initially I thought hepar sulpher 200c is working, but now I am not sure if it is.
Thanks
Mitra
 
  amitra123 on 2005-05-13
This is just a forum. Assume posts are not from medical professionals.
Bell 30c is your remedy to treat your throat. Stop the other remedies that you are taking and use Bell 30c 3 times daily under the tongue and report results.

To stop catching a cold use Ferr Phos 30x. Dose 1 tablet 3/day

To stop catching a sore throat use Bell 30c. Dose 2 pellets 3/day

Please note that you should take the remedies as soon as you get the first signs of the problem starting. It is important to take the remedy for a day after it has stopped the infection to avoid it restarting.

STAY AWAY FROM ANTIBIOTICS UNLESS ON A SOS BASIS.
 
Joe De Livera last decade
Thanks for your reply. I will start taking belledone 30c. Just for my learning purpose, what makes belledona the remedy, and not the Hepar sulphur?? The redness of the throat??
 
amitra123 last decade
I have used Belladonna 30c myself and discovered that it is the ultimate remedy to stop a sore throat developing. I have recommended it to others and have observed that it works very well with them too.

I have experimented with other remedies too numerous to mention here for both the throat and the nose and have finally settled upon Bell 30 for the throat and Ferr Phos 30x to stop a cold.

Do keep us informed on how the Bell helps to resolve your problem throat. You should have relief within 6 hours but if you do not notice any relief you can change over to Rhus Tox 30c.
 
Joe De Livera last decade
Hi:
Belledona 30c worked great. I am almost fine now. I am eating it for 2 days. How long I should continue??
You also wrote to take Ferrum Phos to stop catching cold.. Should I take it at the first sign of cold or take it in the season when chances of catching cold is more..
Thanks
Mitra
 
amitra123 last decade
I have been in Homeopathy for 40 years now and it still thrills me to know that a simple remedy that I suggested helped to cure an ailment in a patient. The great advantage of using a Homeopathic remedy is that it can never do you any harm. It can only help you to recover quickly without doing your body any harm like drugs usually do. Antibiotics are the last resort and should only be used on a SOS basis if Homeopathy cannot help.

You should take Bell 30 for 2 more days but in a reduced dosage if your throat feels completely OK. If you are bothered with this same problem, in the future, I would suggest you have a swab taken of your throat near the tonsils and have it cultured to test for Beta Haemolyticus Streptococcus. This is a bacteria that is dangerous and can cause other problems like Rheumatoid Arthritis, and also affect the Heart and Kidneys.

Ferrum Phos is another of my 'discoveries' and is very effective to stop an oncoming cold. You can take just 1 tablet if you know that someone near you has sneezed near you, as a prophylactic. In the case of both Bell for the throat and FP for the nose, they are most effective if used as early as possible when you feel the first symptoms of a problem throat or a problem nose. You should normally notice relief in a few minutes after taking these remedies and it is important to remember that you must use it at least for one day after you are fully recovered from the symptoms of the ailment. I have noticed that the bug gets reactivated when it discovers that the remedy is not present to ward it off. This usage is roughly similar to the use of an antibiotic which you have to use for at least a day after you are free from the symptoms of the disease.

You will be doing your friends a great favour if you promote the use of these simple Homeopathic Remedies which can stop a problem with the throat or the nose by aborting the Virus that starts the ailment, before the bacteria takes over and causes major problems in the lungs with coughing or in the nose by infection of the sinus, both conditions which have to be eventully arrested with antibiotics.
 
Joe De Livera last decade
Hi:
Thanks for your help. I am originally from India, and my maternal grandfather used to be a homeopath. My father was a smoker and I had very acute bronchities. I went through constitutional treatment for 4 years, and took up to dm potencies. I am much much better now. Unfortunately my grandfather dies 7 years ago. Now I live in Virginia USA, and in this country it is very very hard to find a homeopath. 99.99% of the people does not know about homeopathy.

My wife is from China, and she never heard about homeopathy. My son is 18 months old and he has asthma. I had to take a fight with her to take my son to the homeopath. I believe it is helping.
My wife has bad pollen allergy in the spring season. Itchy eyes, and running nose, and sometimes very bad. Nose just keeps running. I know it is a constitutional case. I just do not know where to start. If you can provide names of some remedies. It would be great. Many people recommended Nux Vomica, but I am not sure.

Sometimes when I travel to India, due to pollution, I have throat infection. The whole throat will be read, and twice I had voice loss. Will belledona work in such a case??

Thanks
Mitra
 
amitra123 last decade
It is possible that the cause of your acute bronchitis was the smoke from your father. I had a similar case where the daughter was having recurrent attacks of Asthma while her father who was a chain smoker was alive when it stopped immediately after his demise. You can safely take the Bell whenever you feel that you have any problem with your throat and I hope that you will take my advice and have a throat culture done to eliminate the Beta H bacteria.

You can use just 1 dose of Bacillinum 200 for your wife and see if it helps her hayfever. Please report reaction 2 days after the dose. Please note that this may only be taken when she is completely free of all other ailments as this remedy tends to aggravate them.

Your son with asthma is a problem and he should be treated by an experienced homeopath who can follow his case.
 
Joe De Livera last decade
Thanks again. I do not have bacilinum 200c at home. I will order it and may take 4-5 days to get it. When I used to have acute bronchities attack, and my lings used to be choked full of mucus, I used to take bacilinum 200. I remember that the very next morning there used to be violent cough, and all the mucus came out in one day. My grandfather told me that he treated epilapsy and cured it with the same remedy. He also cautioned me about the same aggravation effects. It is mind boggling as the same remedy can be used in so many purposes, and trying to study meteria medica is very confusing. It may take a week before I can report the effect of the remedy, but I will.
Thanks again
Mitra
 
amitra123 last decade
I will go to take the throat swab tomorrow.
Thanks
Mitra
 
amitra123 last decade
Jo:
My strep test is negetive. However I caught cold again on last Monday, red threoat again. After Ferrum Phos, I am taking beledone 30c now. Same pain in tonsil. Hopefully I will recover.
Thanks
Mitra
 
amitra123 last decade
I am glad to learn that you do not have any major infection of your throat.

I note that you have taken my advice and have used the correct remedies to help your current infection with your cold and your throat.

It is obvious that you do not have any resistance to any invading virus which affects your throat or your nose and it is time that we looked into giving you the immunity that you should normally have.

The Remedy that I recommend you to use is Bacillinum 200 but this remedy must be used with care strictly in the manner that I describe below:

Bacillinum 200 may only be used when you are completely without any symptoms of ill health as there is a tendency for it to aggravate any existing ailment.

Place 4 pellets Bacillinum 200 under the tongue preferably last thing at night 2 hours after dinner. This dose should confer some immunity for your problem with your nose and throat and must be repeated in 2 weeks time. It should not be taken for the next 6 months.

You should notice an increase in your immunity level after you have taken the first dose which should be increased with the second dose.

Keep me informed of your progress.
 
Joe De Livera last decade
Jo:
First, I wish and pray that God gives you the ability to select the right remedy for your patient with kidney stone. Belledona worked wonder for me. The improvement was spectacular, and it was twice in 3 weeks I thought I have to take antibiotic, but it was not necessary. I still have nasal voice, and stuffy nose, so I am waiting for all these to clear before I take bacilinum.

I told you earlier that my 18 month old son has asthma. It started with a cold when he was 1 year, and the bronchat spasm and inflamation was so severe that we had to rush to emergency room twice. Earlier, the wheezing was only after catching cold, but for last 2 months, although he had no cold, he was wheezing once a while, and it goes away automatically. SOme of the times it was so bad that we had to give him a bronchodialator.

We are going to a homeopath here in Fairfax Virginia.USA for last 6 monmths, and here are the medications that has been tried:
Pulsetilla 200
Pulsetilla 1M
Medorrihum 1M
Arsenic ALba 200
Arsenic ALba 1M
ANTIM TART 30c --> He is presently taking. It seems that nothing is working. HE wheezes out of nothing.

WHen he was 3-4 months old he had bad acidity. THe alopathic doctor says that he may have reflux, and may have a acidity induced asthma, and so he prescribed zantac (In solution form), which I am very reluctant to give. For last 2 days, after taking antim tart, he has green stool, although his apetite is not bad.

Joe, I may be impatient, but can this wheezing be cured?? Any suggestion??
Thanks
Mitra
 
amitra123 last decade
I am very glad indeed to learn that the Bacillinum is helping you. Please note that your chronic symptons today is the price you are paying for the countless times you have taken antibiotics during your lifetime. If only people realize that absolute damage that an antibiotic creates in their system they would shun them like poison.

You may be interested to learn that I have not taken any antibiotic since 2002 when I was in surgery for my prostate. At 75 years I believe that I have the constitution of a 50 year old because I have not used any drug or antibiotic for the last 15 years prior to surgery and none since. Drugs can certainly relieve the symptoms of an ailment like Tylenol for a headache but the body has a price to pay for that relief. This drug has recently been found to cause Heart problems and God know what else ! Antibiotics are a curse today when one considers the way they are prescribed. I thank God for Homeopathy and owe my life to it and in my own way help people who will listen to its message.

For your son, I believe that I can cure him perhaps permanently, please God. I would like you to get Nat Sulph 6c if possible in liquid form, otherwise in pellets. Please follow the instructions below carefully in the method of its use:

Put just 1 drop or 2 pellets of this remedy into 400ml (8 oz) of bottled water. Hit (succuss) the bottle on the palm of your hand 3 times and pour out a teaspoonful into half a cup of water. Stir the water and give your son just one teaspoonful just one dose every day if he is having any asthmatic wheeze or otherwise every other day when his condition stabilizes. I am confident that his condition will stabilize in a week and that he will be permanently cured in about a month when you can stop the remedy. You can store the bottle in the refrigerator to be used whenever he shows any signs of discomfort.

Please note that when the bottle is banged on your palm it must fizzle like opening a bottle of pop does. This increases the potency of the remedy and is the secret of its efficacy in helping you to overcome your problem. This banging on your palm must be done with every dose.

I know that this sounds like some charm but believe me, it works for Asthma in the case of many parients that I have helped.

If your son is still bothered with acidity problems, you can use the Biochemic salt Nat Phos 6x which is available in tablet form. Dose for a baby is half tablet taken after a meal if he shows any signs of discomfort like crying after a meal. Do not overfeed and try to feed small quantities in small instalments.

Post the response to this therapy, especially his response to Asthma in a week and of course stop all other medications.
 
Joe De Livera last decade
Correction to my last post.

I meant Belladonna and NOT Bacillinum which you can take later when you are completely free of all ailments.
 
Joe De Livera last decade
Dear Joe

I came here via otherhealth. Nowadays, I am not finding enough time to go though each and every thread, as I used to do earlier.

Your suggestion of Bell for sore throat is very good, but, I suggest, in case of recurrence, perhaps, the remedy can be taken in liquid form ,as suggested by you, in case of Nat.Sulph. This will increase the potency slightly every time, as you are aware of , and increases the immunity.

Murthy
 
bandarbabu2000 last decade
Dear Murthy,

Thank you for reminding me about the wet dose method for Bell to cure a recurrent throat problem.

It is just that I am so used to the dry dose method which is more convenient that I did not recommend it for the throat problem as it is usually cured reasonably quickly unlike the Asthma that this poor child is suffering from for which he has taken a variety of remedies after presumably a cocktail of allopathic drugs which would obviously have already taken their toll on his body and left him in a worse state than before.

I am only following Luc's advice in prescribing Nat Sulph 6c for his chronic ailment Asthma and I have 6 adult patients in Colombo who have had chronic Asthma and were on Inhalers some, twice daily who do not use them any more. What is more relevant is that they all seem to be slowly getting cured of their problem and I then suggest that the remedy is used every other day. They have never got to a state when they cannot breathe and have to be rushed to hospital on a SOS basis as in the past after they started on this amazing remedy Nat Sulph 6c succussed which they only started about 2 months ago.

I am however concerned that I am using the same remedy and dosage for an 18 month old baby and this is the first time that I have done so. I decided to do so after some trepidation but I do not think that it can do any harm. The father should watch how the baby reacts and if there is any problem after taking this remedy, he should stop it forthwith and advice me ASAP. I pray to God that this eventuality will not happen.

It is nice to have you back on the forums and I hope that you will find time to post regularly as you used to do. In my case, I am fortunate that I have my 2 sons who are well able to run the family business and I take a back seat and devote more time to Homeopathy, which I find fascinating and very rewarding.

Joe
 
Joe De Livera last decade
My son had taken the Nat Sulf 12C dry dose two tablets two times a day and the asthma got remarkably better, however, his VF seemed to get worse so I stopped. He is 8 and did not fit profile of nat sulf. I'm wondering if I should try again with the 6C liquid split dose method. What do you think. He fits the make up of a Puls which he is on now with 12C liquid, with some results but not as much as we hoped.

Also, you said wait to take the Bacillium until he has no symptoms. Do you know if that is the case for Carc also? I'm ready to take the Carc but I have an infected finger.
 
maryo last decade
Maryo,

It would have been better if you had started a new thread to avoid confusion. I have been advicing Amitra so far and was at first confused when you mentioned about an 8 year old.

It is obvious that you had overdosed your 8 year old son with Nat Sulph 12c dry dose 2 tablets twice daily. The dose depends on the size of the tablets and I use pellets 3mm diameter and only use 2 pellets for a dose twice daily.

It is remarkable how the split dose method with 6c will help to cure Asthma. The reaction of many of my patients is too good to be true and after many many years of unnecessary suffering when they had used everything from Steroids to Inhalers with and without steroids all of which only gave them temporary relief. However when the asthma came back it was usually more violent.

I have yet a few more remedies that I have used if the Nat Sulph does not help and I have had to use them for only one patient who did not react to Nat Sulph 6c

You also mentioned Bacillinum and as far as I know I did not prescribe it for your son. Please remember that this remedy must not be used indiscriminately and only under expert supervision. Please give more details on your case or is it your son's case who has the Asthma ?
 
Joe De Livera last decade
Sorry for the confusion.

I was talking about my son's case first. He was taking pellets (Boiron) not tablets as I previously said. I will try him on the 6C split dose as you suggest.

As far as the Bacillium, I saw you recommended it for Amitra. You told her wait for any acute symptoms she has to subside first before she takes it because Bacillium has a tendency to make acute things worse.

I was going to take Carc another nosode for myself. I was wondering if the is a general rule when taking nosodes to wait for ailments to subside first before taking or was that just for the Bacillium. Sorry to confuse you. In the future I will start a new post.
 
maryo last decade
I do not recommend that either you or your son takes Bacillinum and in your son's case he must not take this remedy as he has Asthma which will aggravate with this remedy.

You have yet to tell me the reason why you wish to take this nosode.

I would suggest that you start him on the Nat Sulph 6c and report how it helps him in a week or so. I feel confident that he can overcome his Asthma with this therapy which is quite safe to be used in comparison to the usual routine of steroids and other poisonous chemicals that are used to cure a common ailment which seems to be completely mishandled by physicians who do the damage to especially children and leave them maimed for life.

I am now treating 3 cases which have been under medical treatment with Steroids and other drugs for an average of 15 years and it is very satisfying to see how they are all coming around nicely with this same remedy Nat Sulph 6c taken in the split dose method which Dr Luc de Schepper introduced to me as the obvious choice for most cases of Asthma.
 
Joe De Livera last decade
Do you consider the Nat sulf a constitutional for the asthma? I know with my son it is miasmic.
 
maryo last decade
Please, everyone, remember that asthma can KILL.

If you or your child has asthma, PLEASE check everything you do with a professional allopathic doctor!

As this very website says, "If symptoms persist, seek professional medical attention. Bear in mind that even minor symptoms can be a sign of a more serious underlying condition, and a timely diagnosis by your doctor could save your life."

Be careful, OK? Asthma can, and does, kill. When a serious asthma attack happens, you may only have 10 minutes before permanent damage is done.
 
Orume last decade
Jo:
Thanks for your reply and dscussions. Regarding my Son's asthma, I read a lot of literatures and these are the reasons I have found so far:

Children with asthma has inflamated bronchial tibes under normal/well conditions compared to a perfectly normal child. This makes bronchial spasms easier, and hence asthma. The reason behind this is:

1. Smoker in the falimy,-cigerette smokes can inflamate lings --> This we can remove in my son's case

2. Allergy: Pollen, grass, dust mite, and food. -->I know that in my son's case dust mitre, pollen and grass is not present(We tested and it is -ve). Food,- we do not think so, but we have to test.

3. Fluid accumulation in sinus: My son even in good state keeps his mount open and breathes throuh mouth partially(My wife also does so), and sinus drips, and unpurified air going through mouth can cause irritation and inflamation in lings. The only way to know id ct scan, and I do not want to do it.

4. Acid reflux. This is a major reason in babies, however they cannot say, so we do not know if that is the case.

Joe, I believe that nat sulf treats the acid reflux. I do not have it on hand, and unlike Calcutta India, where I can walk for 15 min to get a homeopathic remedy store, I have to order it and wait for a few days. I will start nat sulph as soon as I get it.

And for everyone else, bacilinum should be taken with utmost care. I took it very few times in my life, and when I had completely choked lungs full of mucus, and it was dry. IT cleared my lungs in 2 hours, but I had to cough violently for 2 hours. It has some profound effect on brain functions, and better to avoid for self experementation.
Thanks everybody

Mitra
 
amitra123 last decade
I am grateful to Orume for the timely word of caution in requesting the patient to first check with an allopath as to whether or not their standard treatment, usually compring steroids, is better than Homeopathic remedies in the treatment of Asthma. This is particularly of significance in the case of children.

In the case of adults however this caution need not be exercised as these patients have already gone through the entire gamut of allopathic treatment for many years as those whom I have treated have confirmed and as long as they keep on inhaling the steroids and taking the tablets they prevent any major discomfort in their lives which are in any case dependant on the next whiff of the inhaler.

In contrast it is when the Nat Sulph 6c starts helping them, which is usually in about 2 days after the first dose that the patient is almost immediately able to set aside all the allopathic treatment including the inhalers and tablets and exist solely on the Homeopathic remedy taken in the Split Dose which I feel is the secret of the success that I have observed in the Homeopathic treatment of this ailment.

I would like to place on record that I am only copying the methodology used by Dr Luc de Schepper who visited Sri Lanka a few weeks ago for Tsunami relief work, in the treatment of these Asthmatic patients whom I invited to consult him. The success rate so far is 100% but this only involved chronic cases of Asthma and they were all adults.

In the case of children, I do agree that it is best to be cautious and in the event of any negative reaction being observed, immediate action must be taken by the parents to rush the child to a hospital for treatment.
 
Joe De Livera last decade
Joe:

My son is undergoing preventive steroid puffs for last 6 months, but he still wheezes. We are also very careful as as soon as the wheeze startr getting worse, we give him Xopenex(A mild broncho dialator). The steroids may be supressing inflamations, but it is only releiving the wheeze, and not treating the reason. The steroids also have side effects and they are more for a growing baby compared to an adult, and thatswhy I hate to give him that.

What kind of side effects you can expect from nat sulph??
Thanks
Mitra
 
amitra123 last decade

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