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It would be interesting to know exactly how homeopathy works, but it isn't necessary in order to use it successfully.

Daisy,

Well, that may be so, but first could you please expand on how this energy theory works. For example, what kind of energy are you referring to, how do you measure it, and where is it stored in a remedy.

It isn't necessary to know any of that to use homeopathy successfully. However, you could purchase George Vithoulkas book 'The Science of Homeopathy'. That should answer many of your questions. For those of us who have discovered how very effective homeopathy can be, it is no longer critical to understand why it works.

Hi ZepOz

Sorry by the delay, the raltion between Avogadro's number and the homeopathic dilution is by definition.

Sergio

Dear ZepOz

1. What edition of the Organon had you read?

2. Would you mind tell me what aphorisms are suceptible to change or updated?

3. It isn't true that there where no one that intent to updated.

Sergio

Daisy43,
It is necessary to know how Homeopathy works, at least for practitioners. Or else where do they base their assumptions? Like most non-qualified prescribers, depend on the old Repertory? No research no development, jusy copy, prescribe and watch? No, that's not it for the elit.

I am not a nonbeliever of Homeopathy. I do belive in the original principles like the symptoms of an ailment are the ways by which the body gets rid of the desease. Like high temperature of fever, diarrhea, itching, vomiting etc. By slightly promoting them by less dangerous, non toxic means, we can assist the body's efforts to get rid of the ailment. The originator believed , tried and proved that. It agrees with science also. But the ailments that can be treated are selective.

I am seeking proof for this 'energy theory'. Some argue that water has memory of its solute which has gone infinitesimily small, and practcally not present in the water. And you prefer to use spring water. Then this water has the memory of all the elements and chemicals in the world. This water could have been formed at the when earth took its shape. Or you feel it remembers only the latest activity. How can one just belive some thing, just because some one said it foolishly ignorant of any scientific proof.

Sheena

When there is broad daylight there is no need to prove that it is day time.It is good enough that you do not disbelieve homeopathy.Regarding the belief that the remedies are energy based, it is derived from the fact that at extremely high potencies 10M, CM etc., there is no possibility of matter existing.Otherwise it would have been detected.Other fields like Yoga talks of 'prana', Chinese systems talk of 'qi', Healing methodologies like Reiki and Pranic healing are energy based and so for a homeopath it is quite easy and convenient to believe they are using an energy which is liberated from the material used to make the remedy to heal the sick.

To prove or disprove this belief is for future Science.Current Science is in no position to either prove or disprove it.Before the invention of microscope, bacterias existed though no one would have dreamed of their existence.Similarly, one day Science will develop the means to understand or validate the 'healing energy' inherent in the remedies.But that is some distance away in terms of time.

But that does not prevent homeopaths from using homeopathy and curing people.

Rajiv

I Agree that science actually don't have the tools to analize how homeopathy works, I expose the reasons days before in this forum.

Sergio

You have stated proof for why most of the Homeopathy medicine have no effect at all. The word 'energy' is already defined in science and has well defined properties, known to all. So don't use the word energy for this. Yoga and psycho-therapy use body's own energy tuned positively for a cure. Any hidden energy can be detected by scientific means. To say modern science is incapable to explain, is only an excuse.

If at all you go on argueing that there is hidden energy in very high potency in 'very very small dilusions', spring water will be highly potent with enormous amount of hidden energy, and should be able to cure any desease and you don't require any other medicine, in this world. It may be able to kill any one also, for that matter. Due to the antidots present in it there will be clash of energy also.

Prayers cure more people in this world, even from deadly deseases, what ever be the diety one is praying to, or the religion one belongs to.

Isn't that enough material for you to still conceptualise more 'hidden' theories ...

Energy is only one, it have different ways of manifestation, Nobody talk about hidden kind of energy. There are some experiments made tryin to see diference between potencies of pulsatilla,and they saw changes in the distribution of colors in a globule of Pulsatilla 6C and 200c.
Now color are vibration and vibration is energy.
If you read Geoge Vitholukas in Homeopathy Science, he talk about resonance of the remedy and the disease, that is the reason of the cure.
If you are more interested in investigate how homeopathy works you can read that book and the one of Dr. Beneviste there is a lot of information that is going to give you more light in the field.
For now I can say that Homeopathy works and it is demonstrated in fact.

Sergio

There is no need to try and convince the skeptics.

Leave them alone.

Murthy

I can only have pity for an alternative therapist who has long experience of using a number of healing modalities including homeopathy and yet does not understand the difference between spring water and potentised homeopathic remedies and prayer and law based homeopathic therapy.Homeopathic remedies work at an 'energetic level' and your modern science does not understand this energy because they do not have a suitable model or theory to explain it or 'instrument' to detect it.This makes homeopathy as 'ultra modern' or 'supra modern' and is a thumb at the nose of the so called sophisticated modern science.Homeopathy is scientific but its science is for future science to explain.

Any way everyone is free to have a belief.I have nothing else to say on the matter.

Rajiv

Whosoever beleves so should continue doing so..........

My pratical observations:

Medical science has brought only detection instruments.....dangerous and suppratives and nothing else...etc BP instruments but BP is there..and no cure...


curing or rooting out isnt there....in medical science as they are are more to material world whereas living beings are complex...

I was told by a well known experinced medical practiioner...once an asthmatic always an asthmatic....and it runs in the family... i had been sufering for more than 10 years giving me suppratives

I being a student of homepathty and firmly believing in spritual life..
tried a single dose of 30 potency and it changed my life with the grace of Almighty Allah...

after a number of other expeiences i am reluctant to go to these machine dependent doctors....

studying for 15 years abroad and coming back with degrees knowing about the disease but failing to give a cure....

Yes hisam.Three cheers to you and all the hundreds of thousands who have benefited and are benefiting from homeopathy.These guys are here just to disrupt the forum and nothing else.

Homeopathy works and works beautifully in the hands of a good homeopath.If someone disbelieves that why does he or she choose to come to a homeopathy forum of all places.There can be only one reason.Let us ignore these guys and carry on with our work.

Rajiv

our bobies have an electial system and were not plugged into the mains, the wind blows we cant see it, but see its affects its like i dont like it but never tried it so dont put down what you dont understand

Daisy said:

'It isn't necessary to know any of that to use homeopathy successfully. However, you could purchase George Vithoulkas book 'The Science of Homeopathy'. That should answer many of your questions. For those of us who have discovered how very effective homeopathy can be, it is no longer critical to understand why it works.'

Daisy, it now appears that you are taking the Vithoulkas book on faith, since you don't understand (or don't want to understand) yourself how this 'energy' system works, or can't explain it if you do.

So let me ask you: What makes you so sure George is right?

Alan said:

'1. What edition of the Organon had you read?

2. Would you mind tell me what aphorisms are suceptible to change or updated?

3. It isn't true that there where no one that intent to updated. '

Let me answer these for you:

1) The original, by Hahnemann himself (some of it in the original German). Although Hahnemann put out 6 different versions himself... Classical homeopaths should stick to the original, don't you think?

2) According to Hahnemann, none. He considered them whole and unalterable (...unless he changed them himself, of course ;)). Others disagree, of course - they thought all aphorisms were subject to change. So there seems to be no correct answer to this question.

3) Your third question makes no sense - it is not even a valid question, as far as I can tell. Would you like to try rephrasing it?

Rajiv said:

'...These guys are here just to disrupt the forum and nothing else.

Homeopathy works and works beautifully in the hands of a good homeopath.If someone disbelieves that why does he or she choose to come to a homeopathy forum of all places.There can be only one reason.Let us ignore these guys and carry on with our work.

Rajiv'

So Rajiv, you believe I am here to disrupt this forum? Please show us where I have done so. Please show us where I have EVER been even uncomplimentary about anyone or anything here. Please show us where I have written anything that might be negative about homeopathy. Can you do that?

To ignore this request means you agree I have been as polite as anyone here, and not negative at all.

Alan said:

'...the raltion between Avogadro's number and the homeopathic dilution is by definition.'


Well, yes it is. But that doesn't tell us anything about why it is an important relationship, which is what I asked about. Could you please try expanding on the situation in detail?

Here's a clue: What happens when a dilution reaches or exceeds Avogadro's limit?

Sergio, you are talking about 'vibrational' energy (or at least George V does for you). Rajivprassad, you have introduced the concepts of 'prana', 'qi' and so on, which seem to match this vibrational energy idea. However you also say that you need to have faith in these to make them work. Without the faith in them, it won't work. Which is why you think that 'scientists' can't explain them - they don't have faith.

Is that correct?

Please leave personal remarks and grivances aside. You don't know me and I don't know you. We may have ideological differences, that don't make us enemies. Ideological differences we are bound to have as long as we have our own ideas generated from different information and background. It is to alleviate this differences correct ourselves that we comminicate. In the process we may argue as long as we belive we are right.

What has Avagardo's number to do with this? It's a paper tiger here.Lorenzo Romano Amedeo Carlo Avogadro di Quareqa e di Carreto - Avogadro for short. In 1811 he proposed his now famous hypothesis that equal volumes of gases, at the same temperature and pressure, contain equal numbers of molecules.

I donot understand which way it will help some one to get away with the 'energy thoery'.

Sheena

Avogadro's number is very large, the presently accepted value being 6.0221367 x 10 to the power of 23. (Number of molecules)

The name 'Avogadro's Number' is just an honorary name attached to the
calculated value of the number of atoms, molecules, etc. in a gram mole of
any chemical substance. Of course if we used some other mass unit for the
mole such as 'pound mole', the 'number' would be different than 6.022 x
10 to the power of 23.

Dear ZepOz,

No faith is needed for homeopathic remedies to work.If the remedy is correct and the potency chosen is correct, the remedy works irrespective of the faith or lack of faith of the person taking it.For someone like me who has treated hundreds of people till now successfully and used these remedies thousands of times, it is as simple and natural that there is no need to discuss or debate.

These remedies work and work beautifully.

My last bit on this thread.Those who are interested may pleae carry on.

Rajiv

Dear ZepOz

Please make me your list of the aphorisms of the organon that you think are suceptible to change or update. Is it more clear now. As a scintist maybe you have a sharp vision to do it.

Sergio

Sergio,

I do not understand what your direction here - it seems to have badly sidetracked. What have aphorisms and my personal reading of the Organon got to do with the opening post, please?

Seena,

Your understanding of Avogadro is very sharp. But perhaps knowledge needs to be absorbed here one small step at a time.

Rajivprassad,

I have a little thought exercise for you to try. Suppose a person came to you and said that they could cause aircraft to land at the local airport by waving their left hand. You have a look at it, and sure enough, when they wave their left hand for long enough, a plane lands. You even try it yourself - YOU wave your left hand for a while, and a plane lands! Wow - you both have this power, and it works right before your eyes. Then lots of people try it - they wave their left hands, and planes are landing at airports near them too.

So it's a scientifically proven fact now that waving your left hand will cause a plane to land eventually. True?