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Hives in 12 month old
My 12 month old son broke out in hives about 5 weeks ago. The day before I noticed a large red reaction to an insect bite which I assumed to be spider on his belly. That night I applied activated charcoal on it with medical tape. In the morning everywhere where the tape had touched his skin was bright red and swollen, and he had hives all around it. The following morning he had hives all around the elastic of his diaper and that continued, with the worst hives in those areas and smaller ones all over the trunk. We switched to cloth diapers and started elimination diets but have not yet found the culprit. Hadallergy testing done, and he is allergic to eggs, spinach, mmold and peanuts. He is still breastfed. If I give him zyrtec (allopathic antihistamine) the hives go away for about 24 hours, but I hate giving him chemicals and just suppressing symptoms. The hives are not itchy. He is a warm baby, kicks off covers in his sleep. He has always been very needy, constantly wants to be in my arms but won't relax when picked up. If I sit with him in my arms he has always even as a newborn tried to stand, even at a few days old I had a hard time getting him to bend his legs to put him in a sling. He is a good sleeper. Very interested in exploring everything, loves to climb on things and tries to do everything I do. He prefers mom, but does well if dad has him for a few hours. Yesterday I did not give him zyrtec as I did not see any hives, but this morning I carried him in one arm on my hip while he was in his diaper and where my arm put pressure on his skin he God a very large, red welt, and withing minutes smaller hives appeared throughout his body. I have tried the following remedies with limited success. Please advise if I need to change the strength, dose, or try other remedies. I started with urtica urens 30c 2 tablets dissolved in a tablespoon of water, repeated 30 minutes later, no improvement, continued getting new hives. A couple of hours later I gave him histaminum hydrochloricum 30c, 3 tablets, then half hour later 2 more tablets, half hour later 1 more tablet. The hives stopped spreading and the large one faded to pink from bright red,but some of the others were still red. Then a couple hours later iI tried belladonna 30c 2 tablets, then half hour later one more tablet, things stayed about the same, maybe paled a little more, but not very significant. Right before bed iI was worried that they would get worse overnight and gave him a dose of the dreaded zyrtec. Please help.Monicardh on 2014-07-30
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Hi-
1. Did you notice any skin sensitivity before the spider bite?
Are you yourself eating eggs, spinach, peanuts?
I assume your child is not eating these things?
Is the child worse from heat in any way? Hot bath, weather, etc.
Is there any mold in your home that may be hidden- if a home has had water damage or
if you are located in a very damp place there can be hidden mold.
If the histamine worked- wait till they come back- keep going with that for now. Try mixing
3 pills in a quarter cup of water and give a tsp for a dose. Give him
a dose every 4 hours 3 or 4 times a day. The histamine was working,
it just does not work instantly.
He is having what they call 'delayed pressure uticaria'Delayed pressure urticaria is a type of chronic hives called physical urticaria because the hives are caused by a certain stimulus on the body. In this case, the stimulus is pressure that's applied to the skin. Delayed pressure urticaria is common. One investigator found that 37% of people with chronic hives had this type of urticaria.
Areas of the body that often develop delayed pressure urticaria include:
Under the waistband of tight clothes
Under the elastic part of socks-
They don't know what causes this and treat it with cortisone long term-
which of course you don't want to do that.
[message edited by simone717 on Wed, 30 Jul 2014 05:54:19 BST]
1. Did you notice any skin sensitivity before the spider bite?
Are you yourself eating eggs, spinach, peanuts?
I assume your child is not eating these things?
Is the child worse from heat in any way? Hot bath, weather, etc.
Is there any mold in your home that may be hidden- if a home has had water damage or
if you are located in a very damp place there can be hidden mold.
If the histamine worked- wait till they come back- keep going with that for now. Try mixing
3 pills in a quarter cup of water and give a tsp for a dose. Give him
a dose every 4 hours 3 or 4 times a day. The histamine was working,
it just does not work instantly.
He is having what they call 'delayed pressure uticaria'Delayed pressure urticaria is a type of chronic hives called physical urticaria because the hives are caused by a certain stimulus on the body. In this case, the stimulus is pressure that's applied to the skin. Delayed pressure urticaria is common. One investigator found that 37% of people with chronic hives had this type of urticaria.
Areas of the body that often develop delayed pressure urticaria include:
Under the waistband of tight clothes
Under the elastic part of socks-
They don't know what causes this and treat it with cortisone long term-
which of course you don't want to do that.
[message edited by simone717 on Wed, 30 Jul 2014 05:54:19 BST]
♡ simone717 9 years ago
Thank you for your reply and guidance. I am not eating the things he is allergicto, and have even eliminated things that could cross react and otherthings like dairy, and of course he is not eating them either. Pressure urticaria was the diagnosis iI was leaning towards as well, but iI still feel like there must be an underlying trigger, even his allergic said hives will break out where skin is rubbed or pressure but they could be a reaction to anything. I am also concerned about mold because we live in a very humid climate and there are mold spores EVERYWHERE. We don't have a serious mold problem in the house such as from water damage, but outside on our screened in porch and in the yard mold grows on everything, railings, patio furniture, etc, and in the house if you leave say a piece of fruit, or slice of bread out, it will grow moldy in a couple of days. Short of moving to a drier climate, I don't think there is a lot I can do about that. I noticed there are some homeopathic formulations specific for mold and dust allergies, but they are only recommended for did 2 and over. Is there an actual safety reason for that or is that just a industry standard? Thank you again for your encouragement that histaminum was working, I will continue with the dose you recommended when the hives come back. I have also read a recommendation for the nursing mother to take Sulphur 30x to pass it through the beast milk and I took a couple doses today. Would you recommend that as well or stay with just the histaminum for him? You asked about previous sensitivities, he has always had very sensitive skin and food intolerance, I have been on various elimination diets this whole past year almost. He had another hives outbreak when we first introduced solids at 6 months, I believe it might have been avocados, but was gone by the following morning. He used to drool a lot due to teething and that caused a rash on his chest that took a couple of months to get rid of, and had an eczema like spot left over for several months after that just wouldn't go away, it's still slightly visible now even after about a month of cortisone cream. He is also prone to yeast diaper rashes, so I am suspecting a candida overgrowth that might be an underlying contributing factor. He is on probiotics for that and has never eaten any type of grain. I am not gluten free completely, but most days I am. We did gluten free when he was an infant and had continuous green explosive stools and it did not seem to make a difference.
Monicardh 9 years ago
Sorry I didn't answer on question, no he does not seem worse with heat. Loves baths and constantly wants to go outside where it is very hot (90s and humid). Thank you again
Monicardh 9 years ago
Also could this histaminum regimen you recommended actually make the problem go away, or is it just an acute remedy until I can correct the underlying cause through other methods? Are there any constitutional remedies (not sure if I'm using the right terminology) that could help permanently resolve the problem?
Monicardh 9 years ago
Hi Monicardh,
I wanted to get clarification from you about the spider bite-but it appears
it is definitely not from the spider bite.
On the mold-It is not a problem that you live in a damp environment. The problem
is if there is hidden mold in the house. Some people have a genetic disposition
that reacts to the hidden mold, and also there can be dangerous types
of mold that can affect everyone if they are around it long enough.
Bottom line here on mold- is you have to find out if there is any in the house.
There is a mold kit you can buy and you put these little strips in different
rooms. Then next day if there is hidden mold, there will be a lot of spores
on the strips. You take the highest strip count and go investigate that room
first. Sometimes it is behind the wall etc. This is caused by water leakage
from somewhere. You have to find out how the water gets in there- leaky roof,
leaky plumbing line-Fix the leak source.
Then have someone come in and direct them how to get rid of it, they have to
cut out the affected parts, be very gentle so they don't spread spores, put
the stuff into plastic bags, repaint the area with mold proof paint etc.
What country are you in? I can give you a site where you can order the strips.
This is a big problem as mold has to be gone so the immune system can
repair itself, it cannot do that while living with it going on. I know one
young man who found it was in his bedroom mostly and other house areas.
It did not bother his parents at all, but he was having many nervous system
issues. I know other families that had very nice homes and no idea there
was mold, but they were all getting sick, and some very sick. So you must
make the house secure, it is about water leaking, not the damp environment.
1. Histamine is not going to cure this but help instead of using the Allopathic
meds.
2. Babies history has to be taken and gone over to see what the right
remedies for him are. This is about the immune system being out
of balance- for hives, for food, etc.
3. For yourself- stop taking sulphur, I don't think sulphur matches this.
4. Always best with people and especially babies to see someone in person
if you can do that- if you want options of who to work with in your area
let me know your country/area and I will research for you.
5. You can put his case on here if nothing else works.
I am going to post part of another article on this by an India homeopath-bc the link won't work right.
I wanted to get clarification from you about the spider bite-but it appears
it is definitely not from the spider bite.
On the mold-It is not a problem that you live in a damp environment. The problem
is if there is hidden mold in the house. Some people have a genetic disposition
that reacts to the hidden mold, and also there can be dangerous types
of mold that can affect everyone if they are around it long enough.
Bottom line here on mold- is you have to find out if there is any in the house.
There is a mold kit you can buy and you put these little strips in different
rooms. Then next day if there is hidden mold, there will be a lot of spores
on the strips. You take the highest strip count and go investigate that room
first. Sometimes it is behind the wall etc. This is caused by water leakage
from somewhere. You have to find out how the water gets in there- leaky roof,
leaky plumbing line-Fix the leak source.
Then have someone come in and direct them how to get rid of it, they have to
cut out the affected parts, be very gentle so they don't spread spores, put
the stuff into plastic bags, repaint the area with mold proof paint etc.
What country are you in? I can give you a site where you can order the strips.
This is a big problem as mold has to be gone so the immune system can
repair itself, it cannot do that while living with it going on. I know one
young man who found it was in his bedroom mostly and other house areas.
It did not bother his parents at all, but he was having many nervous system
issues. I know other families that had very nice homes and no idea there
was mold, but they were all getting sick, and some very sick. So you must
make the house secure, it is about water leaking, not the damp environment.
1. Histamine is not going to cure this but help instead of using the Allopathic
meds.
2. Babies history has to be taken and gone over to see what the right
remedies for him are. This is about the immune system being out
of balance- for hives, for food, etc.
3. For yourself- stop taking sulphur, I don't think sulphur matches this.
4. Always best with people and especially babies to see someone in person
if you can do that- if you want options of who to work with in your area
let me know your country/area and I will research for you.
5. You can put his case on here if nothing else works.
I am going to post part of another article on this by an India homeopath-bc the link won't work right.
♡ simone717 9 years ago
Hi-
lets see if this link works now-
http://www.modernhomoepathy.com/urticaria.html-
Link shows other relevant sites but not
the article.
Google Dr. Pawan Chandak on Urticaria.
[message edited by simone717 on Wed, 30 Jul 2014 16:40:09 BST]
lets see if this link works now-
http://www.modernhomoepathy.com/urticaria.html-
Link shows other relevant sites but not
the article.
Google Dr. Pawan Chandak on Urticaria.
[message edited by simone717 on Wed, 30 Jul 2014 16:40:09 BST]
♡ simone717 9 years ago
I got an email saying there was another reply to this post, but when I click on the link provided all I see is the reply from last night and my 3 responses
Monicardh 9 years ago
Thank you for the clarification. So is hidden mold a different species of mold than the one that is found out in the open? I will definitely try the straps, ease provide me with the info. I have an appointment with a chiropractor trained I nutrition and applied kinesiology on Monday to try to get to the bottom of what is causing his system to react this way. I'm afraid after that appointment we won't have money to see a homeopath anytime soon, so if anybody could recommendsomething it would be greatly appreciated, I can answer any questions and provide as much description is necessary.
Monicardh 9 years ago
Hidden mold can be all different kinds.
I have no idea if what is in someone's house is the same as what could be outside the house- in most cases it does
not matter that much, what matters is
that the leaks have to be stopped to keep
it from happening again and what is there
has to be safely removed and fixed.
As far as the chiro/nutrition person- the child has an immune system problem-
I would check to see if the chiro has cured immune system problems and are
they doing blood tests to see if there is a vitamin deficiency -I don't really
see or have heard of them correcting something like this. Usually they send
people away with tons of supplements which for the age of your child- that
does not make sense to me. For instance if this is started from mold allergy- there is
nothing the chiro, or nutrition or homeopathy can do- you have to remove the problem first.
[message edited by simone717 on Wed, 30 Jul 2014 20:32:19 BST]
I have no idea if what is in someone's house is the same as what could be outside the house- in most cases it does
not matter that much, what matters is
that the leaks have to be stopped to keep
it from happening again and what is there
has to be safely removed and fixed.
As far as the chiro/nutrition person- the child has an immune system problem-
I would check to see if the chiro has cured immune system problems and are
they doing blood tests to see if there is a vitamin deficiency -I don't really
see or have heard of them correcting something like this. Usually they send
people away with tons of supplements which for the age of your child- that
does not make sense to me. For instance if this is started from mold allergy- there is
nothing the chiro, or nutrition or homeopathy can do- you have to remove the problem first.
[message edited by simone717 on Wed, 30 Jul 2014 20:32:19 BST]
♡ simone717 9 years ago
I would use the Mold check site and
get this kit-reviews say it does not tell
you about 'danger'- It does not matter-
You need to know 1. is there hidden mold
2. What is the worst room bc that will show you where the leak is.
There are a lot of 'mold' experts out there who charge a fortune to go over
these things, when it is basic common
sense.
http://mold-test-kits-review.toptenreviews.com/moldcheck-rev....
[message edited by simone717 on Wed, 30 Jul 2014 20:30:59 BST]
get this kit-reviews say it does not tell
you about 'danger'- It does not matter-
You need to know 1. is there hidden mold
2. What is the worst room bc that will show you where the leak is.
There are a lot of 'mold' experts out there who charge a fortune to go over
these things, when it is basic common
sense.
http://mold-test-kits-review.toptenreviews.com/moldcheck-rev....
[message edited by simone717 on Wed, 30 Jul 2014 20:30:59 BST]
♡ simone717 9 years ago
Ok I will look at the mold strips. My point with it being a different species is that I don't think I have hidden mold, but that we spend a lot of time outside where there is plenty of mold so even if there is no hidden mold he is exposed to mold outside on a daily basis. But of course finding out if I hav3 a problem I the house could possibly reduce exposure and I will look into it. The chiropractor I am seeing for kinesiology, not chiropractic adjustments, and for guidance in fixing his gut and therefore his immune system, and yes he is trained in analyzing nutrient deficiencies through blood testing.
Monicardh 9 years ago
Hi- All the people I know who had the hidden mold, never thought
they could have hidden mold.
As far as the damp outer environment- I don't see a huge problem here
on mold, bc it is more that in the home you have to breathe that air
which can be heavily concentrated with spores that just keep on
increasing.
Your chiro is going to have a different system of medication to address
this, I don't know what it is going to be, but it is not a good idea
to do two systems at one time, bc you just won't know what is doing what.
He could be giving a supplement that is causing a reaction and you
won't know that if you are giving a remedy and you could think it was
the remedy and then stop or change the remedy and get nowhere on
the homeopathic part-and just confuse the entire case so that remedies
would be very hard to choose the right thing.
If your chiro does not help- then I would come on here to have
someone take the case.
Good luck.
they could have hidden mold.
As far as the damp outer environment- I don't see a huge problem here
on mold, bc it is more that in the home you have to breathe that air
which can be heavily concentrated with spores that just keep on
increasing.
Your chiro is going to have a different system of medication to address
this, I don't know what it is going to be, but it is not a good idea
to do two systems at one time, bc you just won't know what is doing what.
He could be giving a supplement that is causing a reaction and you
won't know that if you are giving a remedy and you could think it was
the remedy and then stop or change the remedy and get nowhere on
the homeopathic part-and just confuse the entire case so that remedies
would be very hard to choose the right thing.
If your chiro does not help- then I would come on here to have
someone take the case.
Good luck.
♡ simone717 9 years ago
Thank you very much for all your help. So if iI was to go with homeopathy instead of the chiro's recommendations, do you think there could be a remedy that would actually fix his immune system so doesn't react to all these things, curing his allergies? That would be the goal and the only thing I can think of is healing his gut since that is a big part of the immune system, but that is a long process. If I could get the same result with a Homeopathic remedy that would be obviously faster and easier. Also you mentioned about having someone on here take his case. How would I do that? A little update, yesterday I didn't give him any zyrtec. I ddissolved the 3 tablets on histaminum in a quarter cup of water as recommended and gave him 2 doses. I didn't wake him up to give him the doses overnight, and this morning shortly after waking up he gota line of small hives right where the wawasteland on his diaper rubs his back. Gave him a dose and half hour later I have him one more dose hoping they wouldn't spread. So far so good :)
Monicardh 9 years ago
Hi Monicardh,
1. Yes, I think homeopathy would be the best choice
to heal his immune system. It may be more than one
remedy is needed depending on his reactions-bc everything
is done according to how the patient responds and each
person is very different. There is a lot going on here,
and it make take some time, but the end product is that
the overall immune system is working properly and when
that works, then there are no allergies bc the allergies
are an over-reaction of the immune system perceiving
foods etc as a threat to the system.
2. You can do a new post and ask for Evocationer, who
is a homeopath from Australia. He will have a lot of
questions, the remedy is to be a close match to all
his symptoms and personality-When you get a good
match it is a 'similar' to the original problem. Then
the body will not allow that and his life force will boost
up and clear out the problem on its own. The life force
does the work - that is why the remedy has to be the
close similar and one that is based on the total state of
the child and not parts of things.
3. Right now, until you get a prescription, use the
histamine only when hives appear and then as you
see it working, only give more when it appears that
it is getting worse or things are at a standstill- bc
if you give too much you will bring it back.
1. Yes, I think homeopathy would be the best choice
to heal his immune system. It may be more than one
remedy is needed depending on his reactions-bc everything
is done according to how the patient responds and each
person is very different. There is a lot going on here,
and it make take some time, but the end product is that
the overall immune system is working properly and when
that works, then there are no allergies bc the allergies
are an over-reaction of the immune system perceiving
foods etc as a threat to the system.
2. You can do a new post and ask for Evocationer, who
is a homeopath from Australia. He will have a lot of
questions, the remedy is to be a close match to all
his symptoms and personality-When you get a good
match it is a 'similar' to the original problem. Then
the body will not allow that and his life force will boost
up and clear out the problem on its own. The life force
does the work - that is why the remedy has to be the
close similar and one that is based on the total state of
the child and not parts of things.
3. Right now, until you get a prescription, use the
histamine only when hives appear and then as you
see it working, only give more when it appears that
it is getting worse or things are at a standstill- bc
if you give too much you will bring it back.
♡ simone717 9 years ago
Ok, so I've been giving him more than you recommended and the hives are spreading, he has more on his back, bright red and warm and smaller ones are appearing on his trunk. Should I increase the dose or change to something else? So far today he finished the 3 pills we dissolved yesterday and I gave him 1 more. Please help
Monicardh 9 years ago
Just do not give him anymore- this will
wear off by itself. Wait for 24 hours and
see what the status is.
wear off by itself. Wait for 24 hours and
see what the status is.
♡ simone717 9 years ago
A little update the histaminum didn't seem to be working today so I tried belladonna again. I gave him one pill 30c and in less than an hour the bright red hives on his back were considerably faded, barely pink, i couldn't believe it :). Thank you for explaining to me how I should not give too much as it can make it worse, makes sense. I will see how they look in the morning and will only give him more if the start getting worse. I really appreciate all your help. Does the fact that belladonna works and histaminum and urtica urens don't tell you anything about what the trigger might be?
Monicardh 9 years ago
Monicardh 9 years ago
You can mix one pill in 1/4 cup of water( you can make this up in a
water bottle if you want) You can save the
water in the fridge for a few days. Give him one tsp out of that
for a dose. Water dosing is more gentle.
Just remember that until your case gets studied and prescribed
by Evocationer, that you only give the remedy when the hives
appear. Then if better stop unless it gets worse. If it gets
worse on a dose, stop and wait to see if it then gets better.
You see I am not sure when you gave the histamine, that
he did not need it, and so it then helped the hives show up
again. And that the belladonna is actually taking away
the effects of the histamine and not an organic flare up.
water bottle if you want) You can save the
water in the fridge for a few days. Give him one tsp out of that
for a dose. Water dosing is more gentle.
Just remember that until your case gets studied and prescribed
by Evocationer, that you only give the remedy when the hives
appear. Then if better stop unless it gets worse. If it gets
worse on a dose, stop and wait to see if it then gets better.
You see I am not sure when you gave the histamine, that
he did not need it, and so it then helped the hives show up
again. And that the belladonna is actually taking away
the effects of the histamine and not an organic flare up.
♡ simone717 9 years ago
Yes I understand now, i had not seen your message explaining that this morning, but i did not give it to him until he had a bright red line if hives on his back where the diaper rubbed. About an hour later those hives looked even more red and had spread and he was starting to get small ones in other places as well and that is when I gave him another dose. So he did need it when I gave it to him the first time but maybe I should not have given it the second time since it didn't work the first time. I don't think the histaminum made them worse though, they seemed to be progressing about the same way they normally do without any medication. I will follow your recommendation tommorrow for the beladona. Thank you again, I really appreciate your input
Monicardh 9 years ago
Ok- I hope things settle down a bit-
just fyi on your last question on the other
post.
The remedy will not point to what the
trigger is. The remedy is to match
the symptoms- when it does that it
raises the life force to clear the symptoms. For example, two babies
could be allergic to bananas. One baby
gets a stomach ache, a nettle rash,
and is happy if you carry him around.
The other baby gets hives only,
and has trouble sleeping, and keeps
very active and better if outside than
in a closed room-
Each one would have a different remedy for the same problem-
what worked on one would not be
a match for the other. It is all about
the match- to raise the life force to
clear the problem, no matter what
the problem.
[message edited by simone717 on Fri, 01 Aug 2014 04:48:46 BST]
just fyi on your last question on the other
post.
The remedy will not point to what the
trigger is. The remedy is to match
the symptoms- when it does that it
raises the life force to clear the symptoms. For example, two babies
could be allergic to bananas. One baby
gets a stomach ache, a nettle rash,
and is happy if you carry him around.
The other baby gets hives only,
and has trouble sleeping, and keeps
very active and better if outside than
in a closed room-
Each one would have a different remedy for the same problem-
what worked on one would not be
a match for the other. It is all about
the match- to raise the life force to
clear the problem, no matter what
the problem.
[message edited by simone717 on Fri, 01 Aug 2014 04:48:46 BST]
♡ simone717 9 years ago
Update, I gave him the more diluted (250 ml) remedy yesterday. He already had some leftover hover from the day before (not sure how or where he was exposed). I did not notice a big difference in the hives after the remedy, today they were a little better but still there. Behavior wise he was the needles he has been sin e he was a baby yesterday, and cried more than he has ever cried in a day, and was hard to pacify, would fight me trying to comfort him. Today he was a lot better. Should I repeat the treatment? Or wait and if so how long?
Monicardh 9 years ago
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