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Are mother tinctures homeopathy or herbal medicine?

From Teupneon 2016-10-09
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I would like to know if mother tinctures qualify as homeopathy
Since they do not follow the principle of like cures like.
Re: Are mother tinctures homeopathy or herbal medicine?From gavinimurthy on 2016-10-09
It is a separate branch of medicine called phototherapy. It is sometimes used in conjunction with homeopathy, as they won't interfere with each other.
Re: Are mother tinctures homeopathy or herbal medicine?From DrKulkarni on 2016-10-10
They are certainly homeopathic because the method of preparation of mother tinctures also is unique to itself. This process is innovation of Dr.Hahnemann. Mother Tinctures(MT) are just like raw materials for further dilutions, they are like foundations. Can we call foundation itself as building? No. But we can't imagine a building without foundation. Invention of homeopathy began with MTs only. Later, Dr. Hahnemann discovered that potentisation gives better results. MTs do work on the the principle of homeopathy but their applications as compared to potencies are very limited because the energy in them is not completely unleashed unless they are potentised. This is the reason why their use in constitutional therapy is limited.
Re: Are mother tinctures homeopathy or herbal medicine?From Teupne on 2016-10-10
Thanks for replies.but further clarification is needed.

Mother tinctures have to work on the principle of opposites balance as in herbals.for eg. Heat conditions balanced by cool Mt like mint, khus etc.

However by homoeopathic logic same mint on dilution to higher potencies should be indicated in cold conditions.
Is the reasoning correct? If correct it means that mints properties/principle changes from opposites balance to like cures like on dilution.

Kindly clarify.
Re: Are mother tinctures homeopathy or herbal medicine?From DrKulkarni on 2016-10-10
Could you please let me know if you are a medico or a non-medico? As you are asking question on basic principles of homeopathy, I will have to reply you in accordance with your background.
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Re: Are mother tinctures homeopathy or herbal medicine?From Teupne on 2016-10-10
I am an engineer and avid reader.i have read about homeopathy ayurveda and other systems mainly for personal health.
I found ayurveda logical simple and effective.
However based on personal experience only and my studies and innate logic I fail to understand homeopathic logic which I am sure several practitioners themselves find difficult.

Having said that I am an open minded scientific person willing to learn anything helpful.But need solid convincing be theoretical , heuristic whatever with ultimate aim to understand fundamental reality of things.
Re: Are mother tinctures homeopathy or herbal medicine?From DrKulkarni on 2016-10-10
You say you are reading for personal health and you have already started prescribing and advising on the forum. I just hope you don't misuse your knowledge.

However, before coming to your main query, I would like to introduce you to homeopathy albeit, in brief.

Yes, as you rightly point it homeopathic (not logic) principles are difficult to understand. This is the reaso why you see most homeopaths practicing allopathy. Every system of medicine has it's own pros & cons. Among these main three medical systems (barring surgical advantages), Ayurved and Homeopathy are the best systems of healing among the major healing systems. I do not condemn any healing system for that matter because I think doing so without having in-depth knowledge of them is not right. I have closely seen, practiced and understood Allopathic and Homeopathic systems. So, I can confidently comment about these two systems. As far as medical healing is concerned Homeopathy is not only logical but the most scientific system as compared to allopathy. People are engrossed in collecting material evidences (lab reports etc) for their utility. There fore it is difficult to understand the homeopathic mode of working.

But some contemporary homeopaths have proven without any scope for arguments (for people with rational mind) how homeopathy works scientifically on basis of physiology, pathology, embryology, genetics, etc.

Homeopathy is not only scientific but also based on eternal principles. This is the reason why homeopathic medicines have not become obsolete since over 200 years and work equally efficiently even today. Just for another simple example, allopathic system boast of advancement but just go on listing the number of diseases that are labeled 'incurable' by allopathic system of medicine - can-cer, asthma, rheumatism, diabetes, hypertension, thyroid, menstrual problems, leucoderma, psoriasis,.... the list is endless. These diseases were incurable 200 years ago and even today. While homeopathy has proven it's superior capabilities repeatedly in all these diseases ever since it's inception 200 years ago. As far as I know even Ayurved comes very close to this.

Well, all this extra note was because you found homeopathy bit illogical.

Now, coming to your main query. "Mother tinctures have to work on the principle of opposites balance as in herbals.for eg. Heat conditions balanced by cool Mt like mint, khus etc." I do not know why have you come to this conclusion. Actions of MTs is not purely on opposite basis. If so, why can't you use mint juice itself instead of some mint preperations of allopathy like lozenges? Lozenges are prepared by concentrated extracts and with lot of processing while homepathic MTs are pure original extracts of herbs. Not only herbs, but even some chemicals (like acids), animal products (like snake poison), pure energies (like solar, magnetic, etc.) also are used for preparation of MTs. How would you apply logic(?) of opposites or herbal actions to these products?

Even herbs as you think need not act always on basis off opposite action. They often act by virtue of the properties of their active principles which have some dynamic actions in biochemical processes of our bodies. It is not as straight as applying ice to a burn or sunstroke.

As I already said, the method of preparation of homeopathic MTs is unique to homeopathy and MTs can be considered as raw materials of potencies just like foundation of a building. We can't say foundation of a building as building itself and dwell inside it. But we can't build a building without foundation thinking it is useless for dwelling. MTs are not entire Homeopathy but they are part of it.

Well, actually, this topic is out of scope of forum post as it requires you to teach entire homeopathy. So, I hope this info at least addresses your query to a reasonable level.
Re: Are mother tinctures homeopathy or herbal medicine?From Teupne on 2016-10-10
Thank you doc. I appreciate your responses to my queries.

You write well, are learned and your clarity,conviction, knowledge and passion shows in your explanations.I also appreciate the good work you are doing on this forum .

I have seen ayurveda saving lives firsthand.Thus want to promote it and help others.

I despise modern allopathic doctors who are closed minded greedy and arrogant. I doubt if they can truly cure anything other than minting money.

In general I lament lack of quality doctors in ayurveda and perhaps homeopathy.
Re: Are mother tinctures homeopathy or herbal medicine?From DrKulkarni on 2016-10-10
True, there is scarcity of good doctors both in Ayurved and Homeopathy. The basic reasons for this is the substandard educational system and lack of diligence in Indian doctors as well as public. Moreover, there are many rumors spread about these two systems since long time. One more reason is the different streams of healing system instead of co-coordinating with each other for betterment of society work independently like political parties.
Re: Are mother tinctures homeopathy or herbal medicine?From DrManojVEDI on 2016-11-08
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Re: Are mother tinctures homeopathy or herbal medicine?From cosmicweaver on 2016-11-09
In Organon (aphorism 260) Hahnemann advocates not to take any MEDICINAL HERBS (any plants that have medicinal properties) alongside homeopathic remedies. His reason: because it affects/stimulates the vital force and therefore can overwhelm it, making it harder for the patient to recover. So the answer to the question depends on how "homeopathic" is defined. One could argue that medicinal herbs are homeopathic too, because they affect the vital force (in the sense of proving, not only symptom redirection. I've read somewhere about chronic effects in tea drinkers, we all know how it goes with coffee drinkers - they have headache - which is actual proving, secondary effect of coffee use - until they get their coffee, then they get better, etc. This is not even mother tincture. Also, herbs might interfere with homeopathic meds in sensitive people.
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Re: Are mother tinctures homeopathy or herbal medicine?From Teupne on 2016-11-09
MY basic point was since mother tinctures operate on herbal active principles only they are unhomeopathic and their mode of operation is herbal one.Hence they should not be prescribed by homeopaths in garb of homeopathy.

Is there any precedence for use of MT by Hanheman, kent, Clarke, boerick others? What is the justification?
Re: Are mother tinctures homeopathy or herbal medicine?From Teupne on 2016-11-09
Cosmicweaver how can you argue that herbs could be deemed homeopathic since their effect is not based on like cures like.

Quite the opposite. Herbs mostly work on principle of opposite balances, basic principle of ayurveda and a common sensical principle.

You might argue that both homeopathy and ayurveda work naturally with our innate healing force to expedite healing. That I can understand.
But as per current understanding mode of operation differs. Like cures like and opposites balance.
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