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I just looked online at Helios. I'll try calling them--thanks! Can anyone tell me whether the FIP Nosode is definitely a good thing to give him? If he somehow doesn't have FIP, it won't hurt him, since it's also used as a preventative, right?
I started him last night on Echinacea, Goldenseal, and Astragalus (for immune system boost), and Milk Thistle (for his liver). Wasn't sure how much to give him of the tinctures, so I'm trying 5 drops of each 3x day. Human dose is 28-58 drops. Any suggestions for dosage? Ordered immune boost supplements made specifically for pets as well, but won't get them for another 5 days.
I also gave him 500mg of Vitamin C (sodium ascorbate) along with a cat multi-vitamin. I'll get Vitamin A and E for him today. Tried to give him cooked blended liver last night to boost his iron, but he wouldn't eat it.
Any other suggestions for how to boost iron in cats? Also boost appetite? Would Yarrow work?
I started him last night on Echinacea, Goldenseal, and Astragalus (for immune system boost), and Milk Thistle (for his liver). Wasn't sure how much to give him of the tinctures, so I'm trying 5 drops of each 3x day. Human dose is 28-58 drops. Any suggestions for dosage? Ordered immune boost supplements made specifically for pets as well, but won't get them for another 5 days.
I also gave him 500mg of Vitamin C (sodium ascorbate) along with a cat multi-vitamin. I'll get Vitamin A and E for him today. Tried to give him cooked blended liver last night to boost his iron, but he wouldn't eat it.
Any other suggestions for how to boost iron in cats? Also boost appetite? Would Yarrow work?
simkusra last decade
In case anyone needs to find it, the FIP Nosode is available at Ainsworths dot com (UK). They will ship anywhere.
simkusra last decade
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/ClassicalHomeopathyPets... is a fake yahoo group. It's only purpose is to catch unsuspecting and gullible new patients for financial gain. Prescribing is not allowed there.
allergic last decade
I am so so sorry, but your vet us right. fip is a disease where the animals own body kills it.It is painfull and quick and there is no cure.I lost one of my cats to fip in January, sometimes constant nursing getting as much high protein food syring fed and loads of body backup medication will get the one off through. My vet has managed to get through 2 out of seven cases, the cost was astronomical over £5.000 over a 4 week period. Mine was in just over a 10days, i knew that he would not recover when my vet recomended that i take him home to relieve the stress,which is a major factor,and he simply missed me,and try one to one nursing. Feeding him on a high protein food in a syringe every hour. The more food you can get into them and the earlier you start this the bigger the chance and they are very low. My boy had to wear a nappie He had to be cleaned like a baby, 7-8 times a day. He had to be creamed each time i changed him, he was so sore.He really fought it so much,that we managed to get down 450 grams of food each day. My vet thought he had a chance, and used to visit him at home. He lasted 10 days, i had him in my arms feeding him, when he was sick and had a fit, 2little purs and he had gone. Previous to this i had phoned my vet, and he told me, all we can do that you cant, is put him on fluids. It is up to him now. It was to much to ask. I have 7 other cats who all show the corona virus, which is the virus that causes fip.They all show active signs of the corona virus. All i can do is keep them as less stressed as possible as this seems to tip them over into fip, i am using fellaway destress defuser, and have stopped backup treatment as going to the vets every 2 weeks stressed them out and could be the cause of the high teter levels in the corona virus. My vet and i are now looking for a natrual support remerdy to put in their water. Dont forget tablets injections moving your furniture any small thing can cause you cat stress. I have to be honest with you, because i love my cats, if any came down with either wet or dry fip i would have them put to sleep and not let them suffer as my jack did. If you want to contact somebody who can tell you everything about this virus, i suggest that you contact dr dianne addie at the university of glasgow. She has been researching this disease and is the foremost person, for 25 years. If you want your pet to be remembered, send her a donation so she can carry out trials for a vacine in the future. One of your replies also said about drawing the flued off on wet fip, if you do this you will be taking all of his protein out of his body, and the cat will die.
tassha 1 last decade
Babs i really really feel sorry for you, when i lost my cat i blamed myself,i trawled the internet, and still do. There is not yet anything that can cure this.Yes in usa they have a vaccine that just might help,it is still in testing stages and not available yet in the uk. There is no cure for fip yet. If you catch it when the cat has the corona virus, which can only be detected by a blood test, where they look for teters, these are like little soldiers that the immune system makes to fight a virus. The cats body makes too many and they then turn on the cat, so its own body kills it. If you add to the immune system you add more soldiers, does this make sense?. Please email me if you want to discuss anything i have mentioned in this posting or my last. The only thing that i can say to you is do what is best for your cats.
tassha 1 last decade
i really do feel for you babs, But there really is no vaccine in this country that works yet. Yes in the USA,they have one that is being tested and they think that this may help,but they still cant say that it cures.As for finding something to that supports the immune system,this is the worst thing that you could do. It is the animals immune system making too many cells to fight the virus that lets fip slip through.
tassha 1 last decade
Titer tests indicating a cat has contracted FIP can be misleading:
http://rfwclub.org/vfip.htm
FIP Cured with Herbs: (a testimonial)
When my neighbor with cancer had developed jaundice due to liver failure, I ordered bupleurum root. When the herb came in and I told him what it was for, he wasn't interested. So it sat on my shelf. A few months later, my cat contracted FIP. His condition deteriorated until he, too, developed severe jaundice, was throwing up yellow bile, was dropping feces uncontrollably, and had lost so much weight he looked like a skeleton with fur. My mother asked if I was giving him herbs, to which I replied that I was afraid it would kill him. Then it dawned on me he was going to die anyway, so what could it hurt?
I made a tea by boiling one tablespoon of bupleurum root and one tablespoon of pau d' arco bark in two cups of water. After boiling for ten minutes I turned off the heat and added one tablespoon of dried yarrow flowers and leaves and let it steep for about twenty minutes more. I strained the tea through a mesh strainer and poured it into empty medicine bottles with eyedroppers and refrigerated it.
At first I gave my cat five one milliliter drops every 20 minutes straight into the back of his mouth. After two hours I administered the five drops every two hours for 24 hours. Then I reduced the dosage to every two hours during my normal waking hours for several days. I continued the treatment every few hours for two more weeks. He was pretty weak in the beginning of treatment, so I also crushed up a cat vitamin, mixed it with water, and fed him about 5ml twice per day until he started eating again. The jaundice gradually went away over a two week period. He recovered fully, regained his appetite, and is regaining weight. It looks like this incurable cat disease is no longer incurable, at least for herbalists.
A testimonial:
My introduction to homeopathy came about because my feline who had
FIP, Aids and Leukemia was dying. The following remedy brought him
back in 12 hours. NO JOKE. He was choking on his fluids before that
and the antibiotics were useless. Haven't had much use for conventional medicine since. Anyway, if you can get a vet to order
the glandulars for you, here it is: Pulsatilla, Ars. alb., Calc.
flour, Silicia, Rhus tox., Flour ac., Cantharis, Carduus mar, Hepar
sulph, Cell salts, Lymph, Liver, Argent. nit. - all 10x potency, 15x
will do. These remedies work on many different area's of the body and quickly.
One person's approach to dealing with FIP successfully:
http://www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/fipcase.html
Another testimonial:
Our vet also treated a case of feline infectious peritonitis [FIP] with ImmunoPhase. FIP is caused by a coronavirus and is difficult to diagnose and to treat. It is probably the most common cause of unexplained fevers in cats. The illness can cause lethargy, weight loss, eye disease, and swelling of the abdomen or fluid in the chest. Most cats with FIP will die within 2 to 11 months from the damage caused by the virus, the immune system and secondary problems such as kidney or liver failure.
The cat treated by the vet with ImmunoPhase had been ill for 20 days. Nothing had worked to lessen or stop the illness and they were waiting for the pet to die. As a last resort, they gave the cat ImmunoPhase and she quickly recovered her health within a few days.
Since ImmunoPhase worked so well in these and other cases of pet infections it would be helpful to have the remedy on hand to use at the first sign of illness.
Since dogs and cats are much smaller than humans, they should be given smaller doses of the remedy. Mid-sized and larger dogs can be provided with one capsule of ImmunoPhase from 3-5 times per day. Smaller dogs and cats can take 1/2 capsule 3-5 times per day. The best way to give your pet the formula is to open the capsule and stir it in with wet pet food. The main precaution in giving the formula to your animal is to watch out for diarrhea as your petÂ’s digestive system may be weakened by its illness. Discontinue the remedy if this occurs.
Dr. William O. Belfield, DVM has written extensively of the use of Mega C Plus protocol to effectively cure FIP in cats. Quickly.
The best test in USA for FIP (not for corona virus) is Dr Kevin Steele's test. He developed an Elisa-7B-FIP test in 1998 which is 95% predictive for FIP. He also has a PCR test (more appropriate for autopsy confirmation) called the PCR-7B-FIP test. The 7B refers to a gene that occurs in FIP but not in the regular enteric corona from which it mutates. This covers most of the FIP seen 'in the wild'. Other signs of FIP are found in blood tests including high globulin, and in wet FIP there is yellow, sticky, effusion fluid with high globulin. Other effusion fluids have different characteristics. Your vet should be up on the testing options, although the 7B FIP tests are not available in all countries yet. The homeopathic FIP nosode builds resistance to FIP.
http://rfwclub.org/vfip.htm
FIP Cured with Herbs: (a testimonial)
When my neighbor with cancer had developed jaundice due to liver failure, I ordered bupleurum root. When the herb came in and I told him what it was for, he wasn't interested. So it sat on my shelf. A few months later, my cat contracted FIP. His condition deteriorated until he, too, developed severe jaundice, was throwing up yellow bile, was dropping feces uncontrollably, and had lost so much weight he looked like a skeleton with fur. My mother asked if I was giving him herbs, to which I replied that I was afraid it would kill him. Then it dawned on me he was going to die anyway, so what could it hurt?
I made a tea by boiling one tablespoon of bupleurum root and one tablespoon of pau d' arco bark in two cups of water. After boiling for ten minutes I turned off the heat and added one tablespoon of dried yarrow flowers and leaves and let it steep for about twenty minutes more. I strained the tea through a mesh strainer and poured it into empty medicine bottles with eyedroppers and refrigerated it.
At first I gave my cat five one milliliter drops every 20 minutes straight into the back of his mouth. After two hours I administered the five drops every two hours for 24 hours. Then I reduced the dosage to every two hours during my normal waking hours for several days. I continued the treatment every few hours for two more weeks. He was pretty weak in the beginning of treatment, so I also crushed up a cat vitamin, mixed it with water, and fed him about 5ml twice per day until he started eating again. The jaundice gradually went away over a two week period. He recovered fully, regained his appetite, and is regaining weight. It looks like this incurable cat disease is no longer incurable, at least for herbalists.
A testimonial:
My introduction to homeopathy came about because my feline who had
FIP, Aids and Leukemia was dying. The following remedy brought him
back in 12 hours. NO JOKE. He was choking on his fluids before that
and the antibiotics were useless. Haven't had much use for conventional medicine since. Anyway, if you can get a vet to order
the glandulars for you, here it is: Pulsatilla, Ars. alb., Calc.
flour, Silicia, Rhus tox., Flour ac., Cantharis, Carduus mar, Hepar
sulph, Cell salts, Lymph, Liver, Argent. nit. - all 10x potency, 15x
will do. These remedies work on many different area's of the body and quickly.
One person's approach to dealing with FIP successfully:
http://www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/fipcase.html
Another testimonial:
Our vet also treated a case of feline infectious peritonitis [FIP] with ImmunoPhase. FIP is caused by a coronavirus and is difficult to diagnose and to treat. It is probably the most common cause of unexplained fevers in cats. The illness can cause lethargy, weight loss, eye disease, and swelling of the abdomen or fluid in the chest. Most cats with FIP will die within 2 to 11 months from the damage caused by the virus, the immune system and secondary problems such as kidney or liver failure.
The cat treated by the vet with ImmunoPhase had been ill for 20 days. Nothing had worked to lessen or stop the illness and they were waiting for the pet to die. As a last resort, they gave the cat ImmunoPhase and she quickly recovered her health within a few days.
Since ImmunoPhase worked so well in these and other cases of pet infections it would be helpful to have the remedy on hand to use at the first sign of illness.
Since dogs and cats are much smaller than humans, they should be given smaller doses of the remedy. Mid-sized and larger dogs can be provided with one capsule of ImmunoPhase from 3-5 times per day. Smaller dogs and cats can take 1/2 capsule 3-5 times per day. The best way to give your pet the formula is to open the capsule and stir it in with wet pet food. The main precaution in giving the formula to your animal is to watch out for diarrhea as your petÂ’s digestive system may be weakened by its illness. Discontinue the remedy if this occurs.
Dr. William O. Belfield, DVM has written extensively of the use of Mega C Plus protocol to effectively cure FIP in cats. Quickly.
The best test in USA for FIP (not for corona virus) is Dr Kevin Steele's test. He developed an Elisa-7B-FIP test in 1998 which is 95% predictive for FIP. He also has a PCR test (more appropriate for autopsy confirmation) called the PCR-7B-FIP test. The 7B refers to a gene that occurs in FIP but not in the regular enteric corona from which it mutates. This covers most of the FIP seen 'in the wild'. Other signs of FIP are found in blood tests including high globulin, and in wet FIP there is yellow, sticky, effusion fluid with high globulin. Other effusion fluids have different characteristics. Your vet should be up on the testing options, although the 7B FIP tests are not available in all countries yet. The homeopathic FIP nosode builds resistance to FIP.
orian last decade
FIP can be helped back to health by homeopathy - it has been my work since early 2003 when I had my first success as a veterinary homeopath specializing in FIP.
Potentized FIP will not do it, as the thymus is too far skewed and needs a matched (repertorized) homeopathic remedy to restore its function. A lot of additional supplements also help in specific ways.
To go back on topic, end stage terminal FIP can indeed be helped to a gentle passing by a homeopathic remedy and the one that matches FIP best is Arsenicum album (not to get back health in FIP but to assist in passing at terminal stage). One would need need to use it very high potency, 10M is ideal, somewhat lower can also help in a pinch. The protocol is to use it in aqueous solution, dosed often - but not before the kitty is already terminal.
It enables separation of mental and physical so that the cat is not drugged but no longer feels the physical discomfort.
Namaste, Irene
Potentized FIP will not do it, as the thymus is too far skewed and needs a matched (repertorized) homeopathic remedy to restore its function. A lot of additional supplements also help in specific ways.
To go back on topic, end stage terminal FIP can indeed be helped to a gentle passing by a homeopathic remedy and the one that matches FIP best is Arsenicum album (not to get back health in FIP but to assist in passing at terminal stage). One would need need to use it very high potency, 10M is ideal, somewhat lower can also help in a pinch. The protocol is to use it in aqueous solution, dosed often - but not before the kitty is already terminal.
It enables separation of mental and physical so that the cat is not drugged but no longer feels the physical discomfort.
Namaste, Irene
furryboots last decade
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