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Don't Even Touch Combinations

If combinations are good enough for treatemnt,why are those believers still prescribing single medicines?

All most all ailments are covered by combinations.If a person says headache,why bother about symptoms.Give him the combination.Makes life easy for the presciber.

Why are we discussung so much about anxiety and depresssion topics?There are any number of combinations available.We can simply prescribe one of those.

But,as responsible prescribers,we don't do that.Why?We,ourselves don't believe them.But,at the back of the minds of some of us,we have a lingering doubt,may be they work.But we are not sure.
We don't want to play with the health of "our" patients.

Can anybody give a single instane of cure with these combinations alone?May be very few times you get palliation.

So,for all those readers,who want to get a cure through homeopathy,my sincere suggestion is stay away,from combinations.

  bandarbabu2000 on 2004-10-27
This is just a forum. Assume posts are not from medical professionals.
Gabituca answered it for you dear Murthy.

Her point of view is the point of view of many!

Essentia Aurea/ Gold Drops have a high rate of success....even the allopaths have admitted to it by seeing the medical reports of patients who have used this med. Gabituca is confirming the same in respect of her husband. I know her husband's case....I was with it (the case) when he was admitted to the hospital for surgery.

I have seen it work in many other heart cases.

A good way out of this controversy is to conduct a survey of patients and seek out the answer. Just as research surveys are done.

Pankaj Varma
PANKAJ VARMA last decade
pankaj--while your at it---conduct a survey of patients envolved in allopathic treatment and see how many confess allopathy is wrong for them...let me help you---most will not confess such---because allopathy forces new pathology--seemingly eliminating old--yet since this is why the patient came --they are "deathfully" happy...same apply to all treatments---just because patient is happy eating poison are you to give it to them--only if one doesn't know any better will they do as such....
John Stanton last decade
Dear Pankaj

What are the other combinations known to you which will help the patients,other than this?

I invite all the visitors,who had experience with these combinations to share their views.

bandarbabu2000 last decade
Dear John,
Don't run down the allopaths.

Their diagnostic skills are superior in many ways...and we use their diagnostic reports many times.

Pankaj Varma
PANKAJ VARMA last decade
In due course ...will come back on this matter.
Pankaj Varma
PANKAJ VARMA last decade
pankaj--save your words...i need not be convinced of diagnostics--we are speaking of prescribing--dont confuse the issue--yet it seems better for you to confuse points than address with any valid reasoning ..
John Stanton last decade
You enjoy lengthy discussions. Not me !

I have to apportion time to many important tasks (other than homeopathy as well ....of which you can't be aware).

Pankaj Varma
PANKAJ VARMA last decade
I use only single remedies, except in hay fever season I pull a combination off the shelf. My problems are less now that constitutional treatment has raised my vitality, but I will accept mear palliation when miserable. The combination works for me.
museon last decade
Another confirmation that,at best these combinations do palliation.

Another name for palliation not leading to cure is suppression.

bandarbabu2000 last decade
patients will gravitate to treatment that karmic-ally corresponds to their need of experience--whether suppressive or curative---life is about experience---and no amount of words will sway the karmic imperative---all anyone can do as prescribers is to seek to master our form of medicine ---remember allopaths also are very sincere about their tasks--but that is there choice---each has their own---patient and healer alike...
John Stanton last decade
Karma prevails !!!!

The Creator controls the Universe !!
PANKAJ VARMA last decade
Dear Murthy,

You have given a very "catchy" heading to this thread.....

It is fine to gain attention....however, just like Gabituca people have different experiences.

A patient in Mumbai (Bombay)...had a continous headache problem for three months.

He went to five different homeopaths ( all well experienced with successful practices in Mumbai )....but no success.

No one could find his "single remedy".

Then he went to the Asiatic Store in Mumbai opposite Churchgate station.

They run a homeopathic shop which is located just behind the Gaylords Restaurant at Chrchgate.

The homeopathic doctor there (a Parsi lady ?) has combination medicines designed by herself for :

Stomach ache
Flu ....etc. etc.

The patient bought the "Headache" combination and after taking three doses was in good shape.

The store there does not disclose the ingredients of the "combinations" ....how ever, I suspect for "Headache" they add to the set of pills ...meds like:

Natrum Mur

(This is my guess).

It works for many...for whom the "single remedy" is not found in a reasonable period of time.

Since you raised such a sensitive issue,I thought would share it with you and all others.

Pankaj Varma
PANKAJ VARMA last decade
Dear Pankaj

His headache would have returned with a vengeance by now.

Pl.find out if possible.

Even aspirin could have helped him.My huble submission is it is only a palliation,and does not lead to cure.

Palliation is to be thought of only in uncurable cases.

Not for everyday problems.

bandarbabu2000 last decade
I am not disputing what you are saying about "cure" and "pallation" ....in theory.

Who knows... one of the five/six meds out of the combination produced a cure !

Maybe, the remaining did not impact his system.

Pankaj Varma
PANKAJ VARMA last decade
Dear Pankaj

This statement is often heard.
I will come back later.

bandarbabu2000 last decade
Unless and until clinical tests confirm, no one can say whose argument is stronger.

You are saying what the books of the Classical Homeopaths are saying.

Has anyone done a research on a reasonable number of patients (stastical sampling numbers) taking into account clinical tests to ascertain the efficacy of the medicines (single vs. combinations)??

Pankaj Varma
PANKAJ VARMA last decade
Dear Pankaj

Chris ia reputed doctor in Australia.

These are her views.

"So-called combination homoeopathic remedies (an oxymoron in itself) are two or more *homeopathic preparations* that are included in the one prescription bottle and falsely marketed as a single "homoeopathic" remedy. So-called homeopathic complexes do not comply with basic homoeopathic principles and have NONE of the safety checks and balances of the single remedy, minimum dose, and similar remedy - concordant to homoeopathy.

Most substances in nature have more than one biochemical component. When two or more *homoeopathically prepared* substances are included in the one bottle then it is no longer a medicine that can be prescribed in accordance with homoeopathic principles. It is something else, that has little or no viable scientific verification in homoeopathic terms.

There was one proving done a few years ago in Australia with a group of provers who tested a combination of the dynamized remedies Rhus tox and Bryonia, and the results from the proving showed that the characteristic (somewhat opposite modalities) symptoms neutralized each other, and as well - and this IS VERY significant - there were new pathogenetic symptoms that did not equate with either remedy's original provings materia. A whole new ball game.

So with combination remedies, this is a whole NEW arena, and for which homoeopathic practitioners can not be accountable, since there IS NO ACCOUNTABLE ****EMPIRICAL DATA****.

Please, let's all of us remember Hering's important words:


Homoepathy is the single remedy, the single dose, the minimum dose. Nothing more, nothing less.

bandarbabu2000 last decade
Homoeopathy is not a belief system. It's principles are contained in a scientific method.

The similar remedy, the single remedy, the minimum dose, the proven remedy - is the accepted scientific paradigm for the application of homoeopathic principles.

Hering's words are as true today as when they were first uttered way back in 1880.

Paradigm shifts consistently ocurr in the world, the birth of homeoapthy for instance, and without these, we would never have climbed out of our caves; there would never have been an agricultural, scientific, industrial or feminist, civil rights or environmental revolution (to name but a few).

A paradigm is something that sets an example, or pattern, for other things. The homoeopathic paradigm has an accepted and coherent tradition of scientific research. Homoeopathic potential is VAST!! If you or anybody else want to shift the safety checks and balances contained in our system off to unknown territory, with unproven dynamized complexes, then please do not call it homoeopathy, 'cause it ain't. The paradigm shift that is really needed to raise collective consciousness may actually lie with the allopathic sector and all their controlling interests.

bandarbabu2000 last decade
Let there be a standard method of making these combinations.

They combine to make another single remedy.But to ensure that every body has the same remedy ,the method of preperation is to be standardised,published.

Now,name it as a single remedy.

Get it approved, by the concerned medical bodies.

Bring it as part of materia medica.

Then, and then only it can be considered as homeopathy.

Even to consider the case based on clinical records,where is the standard remedy? Can a certificate by a handful of interested doctors who give such opinions for a fee,be considered as a clinical record?

It is not that you don't understand what we are talking out.You are feebly trying to justify a thing which can't be justified.

why can't the interestd parties make a beginning.If you are so confident of your concoction,start proving it.Take a dose daily for atleast a month,and record your observations.Let your friends who believe in it do so.Are you dare enough to do it?
bandarbabu2000 last decade
this is what "abc" says on combinations.

"In recent years, Homeopathic remedies have been sold increasingly as combinations. A group of remedies, effective in tackling say, anxiety, in a range of people are combined on a single pill. This is in contrast to the principals of classical homeopathy.

This practice has been met with mixed opinions in the homeopathic community. What is generally agreed is that combination remedies may work for you, but you have a much greater chance of success if you use single remedies, chosen for your specific ailments, as the other remedies contained along with the right one may complicate a condition, or prevent the right remedy from working.

Even the makers of combination remedies add the caveat that single remedies are more effective, where the right remedy can be prescribed.

The strength of combination remedies is certainly the convenience with which remedies can be prescribed; if it says headache on the box, then that's what it's for. However, through the online Remedy Finder, we hope to make the choice of the right single remedy apparent from simple self diagnosis, and we hope therefore that people have a free choice wether to use single remedies or combinations.

Although we reccomend single remedies, combination remedies have been added to the shop, for those who wish to use them."

bandarbabu2000 last decade
Murthy !

Today morning I received an e-mail from a lady who has read all this.

She wrote to me:

I use homeopathic combination meds from BIFORCE and they are very effective. I would liek to learn about homeopath. Pl. guide me.

The taste of the pudding is in its eating Murthy.

All the words you are quoting sound like:
"Because my Dad said so!"

For an objective analysis to this controversy:
Lets seek researched data on statsical principles from patients on both sides of the fence and then evaluate.

I am neither against the "single remedy " way because I use a lot of that concept in my advice to people. Nor am I against the combinations ...because many times I also suggest combinations to people.

Gabituca gave you her verdict.

Only research based on statistical principles can produce a result towards "Either /or".

The answer can also be a "may be" !

Pankaj Varma
PANKAJ VARMA last decade
Dear Pankaj

When we give a single medicine,we know what to expect.If he is getting some new symptoms,we can analyse whether they belong to the remedy or not,because the materia medica is available.
In case the medicine stops working,after some time,we know what to do,as the complimentaries and followers are clearly indicated.

Where is all this data available,in case of combination medicines?

What will you do in case these medicines produce some new symptoms?

How are you sure that,you are not suppressing the disease,and may be the higher planes are getting effected.

If removal of symtoms,alone is the goal,then any therapy is ok.Why not allopathy then.

Thousands and thousands of patients swear by allopathy.Does it make it good enough?

A certificate,from the person,who used it doesn't make remedy accepatable.For all we know,the medicine is suppressing,and he will suffer more in the long run.

That is why we oppose allopathy.That is why we oppose these combination medicines also.

bandarbabu2000 last decade
Every thing in allopathy doesn't suppress !

So also every thing in combinations doesn't suppress.

Also administring Mother tincures ....is not potencised small dose...hence strictly not homeopathy.....still we call it homeopathy.

Where the border starts and where it ends.....very difficult to say without research on statstical basis of sample taking and without clinical reports to back it up.

The Postules have to be verified statistically by taking a large sample of patients....each one bringing along a clinical report after the treatment is over to show the quantum (extent) of recovery.

This debate cannot end!

Pankaj Varma
PANKAJ VARMA last decade
Dear Pankaj

The principles of homeopaathy are

Similar remedy,single remedy,minimum dose.

It never says you have to use potencies only.Mother tinctures also,produce some of the symptoms,while proving,and hence they are similar ones,for those symptoms,as elicited in provings.

Now,as to your view that,all alopathic medicines won't suppress.I agree.But,one advantage with allopathy,is their procedures are standard,well documented,and they know what to do in case of aggravations.

Can we say the same thing,as regards combination medicines?
Where is the standardisation?
"x" company mixes for example,bry,rhustox,bellis and calls it a remedy for backache.Another company mixes sulphur,nux-v,and kali carb and also calls it a remedy for backache.Which combination will you choose?

Forget about stastistics.Let us discuss the merits and de merits,with the information we have on hand.

I am discussing this issue,without any prejudice or rancour,and I am sure you are also doing it with the same spirit.

If I get a feeling at any time,that I am hurting you,or anybody else,by my statememts,I will stop this.

The whole purpose, is to have a healthy debate.

Despite your views,being contrary to mine,on some issues,I respect your knowledge,your unselfish zeal to help the needy.

Pl.forgive me if I have hurt you,unknowingly at any time.But,as far as the debate is concerned,I think,we are on the right track.

Let this debate continue,and let people decide what is good for them.


bandarbabu2000 last decade
"Every thing in allopathy doesn't suppress!" ...can you tell us specifically what does NOT suppress so people can better judge for when it comes to taking allopathic medications.
Thanks, Loree
loree last decade

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