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high uric acid

i am a 44 yr old male on ayurvedic medicene for hypertension. have no other problem .please suggest med for high uric acid 8.2 ,my use of URTICA URENS doesnt make much difference in reducing the uric level. i have pain in right wrist and some pain in the heels .please sugest med
  andy_65_in on 2008-09-29
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Hi does apple cider vinegar also reduce uric acid. i have brought a bottle but stopped its use after one gulp only because of conflicting reports on the internet
andy_65_in last decade
Better to controll it through diet & increase intake of water to 12 glasses a day.

For control Uric Acid, take Urtica Urens 3X (3-4 drops thrice), thrice daily. For pain in small joints may take Ruta 30C only as SOS (a max 3 doses a day)
Ideal is to control it through diet,i.e. mainly avoid animal protein.

Also read these notes carefully :-

What is uric acid?
Uric acid is a waste of protein metabolism. It is also present in large quantities in some foods. It causes problems because humans do not possess the enzyme to digest it to a soluble form. When uric acid precipitates it can cause kidney stones or gout. Gout is a problem where uric acid crystals deposit in the joints, causing a painful inflammatory response.
How does uric acid levels increase in our blood and what precautions can be taken to avoid it? Uric acid is a waste product in our body and is eliminated by our kidneys. Uric acid is produced from the breakdown of a certain kind of a substance known as purine. This substance also produced in our body and is also present in some of the food that we eat. Uric Acid increases due to mainly three conditions? firstly if there is an over production of uric acid in our body(some situations like fasting, strenuous exercising and crash dieting)., secondly if there is a decreased removal of uric acid by the kidneys; thirdly if one takes excess amounts of food which are high in purine.
How do uric acid stones form?
Like any stone, uric acid stones form when too much uric acid is present in the urine to remain dissolved. Uric acid stones form quickly as there are no known inhibitors in human urine to cope with fluctuation in output. A short period of dehydration in a susceptible individual is enough to begin stone formation. A sudden uric acid load from food can also precipitate a new stone. This means that what you eat and drink directly affects your chance of developing stone.
So what do I do?
Drink enough - You need to pass a pale urine consistently. Because stones form quickly, a single hot day working in the garden could lead to a stone. Aim for the colour below;
Watch your diet - diet will have a major effect. Ask anyone who gets gout and they will be able to tell you which foods can trigger an attack. There are two aspects to diet control. One is the acid in the diet, and the other is the concentration of uric acid in various foods;
Acid from food
Uric acid's solubility in urine is dependent on the pH, or acidity of the urine. At a pH of 7 (neutral), urine can dissolve 1000 times the amount of uric acid than at pH 5 (acidic). Most people who form frequent uric acid stones have an acidic urine. Urine becomes acidic in response to diet. Proteins are the greatest source of acid in the diet. After a meal high in protein conditions become ideal for stone formation. So avoid eating large amounts of meat at one sitting and drink plenty of fluids with your meal. Adding some foods which have an anti-acid effect into the meal can also help. Dairy products are foods of this type. If you are particularly at risk taking a one off dose of the alkalinization agents below can also help.

Gouts ????
Do you have high uric acid levels in your blood? If so then there are chances that if it goes unchecked you might end up suffering from Gout. Gout is a disease that affects the joints .This disease in earlier days was also called as the ?disease of the kings ?because it was associated with overindulgence in drinks and rich food.
But it is not so nowadays, it can strike anyone; men being more at risk than women.
Foods high in purines which should be avoided by those who are having levels of uric acid are ? quite a few of the non vegetarian food, lentils (dals), whole grains, peas, cauliflower, and mushroom. Alcohol intake slows down the removal of uric acid. Being overweight also adds to the increased levels. A simple blood test (serum uric acid) at a local lab can be good enough for an evaluation.
What is Gout and how does a high level of uric acid in blood lead to gout? Gout is an inflammatory condition of the joint .Gout results in an inflammation of the joint. This is due deposition of uric acid crystals in the joint spaces and or in the connective tissue of the joints. It is a very painful condition causing swelling redness heat pain and stiffness of the joint. Deposits of uric acid, called tophi can appear as lumps under the skin around the joints. Gout mainly affects the big toe but it can affect other joints like gout instep, ankles, heels, knees, wrists, fingers, and elbows
Increased uric acid is not a disease and by itself is not dangerous. However, if excess uric acid levels lead to formation of crystals between the joints, gout can develop. In some individuals excess levels also lead to formation of kidney stones. Please remember not all who have high levels of uric acid, develop gout.
Uric acid is the only true measure of whether you are dealing with your gout. There is a common tendency amongst gout sufferers (which I must admit to myself) to treat short term discomfort and forget long term urate build-up.

This is a bad thing. Uric acid crystals can build-up slowly in tissue without major pain attacks. Suddenly you notice strange jelly-like swellings that slowly grow and get harder until they either burst through your skin or permanently cripple your joints. These are called tophi, and they are not nice.
Foods High in Uric Acid
Studies have shown that foods high in uric acid play a major role in the development and aggravation of diseases such as gout. In conjunction with a healthy lifestyle and changes in diet, it can actually be easier to manage than many people believe, as long as the sufferer is willing to make some significant changes in their eating habits.

Gout is a painful disease that is most common in men, especially older men, but can also affect women. It is caused by a condition called hyperuricemia, which means that there is actually too much uric acid in the blood. While uric acid is actually a waste product left over from metabolism of chemical compounds called purines, it can also be found in some foods and alcohol.

Diets to reduce uric acid are extremely helpful in lowering levels of uric acid in the body, and will usually involve reducing or cutting out foods that have high levels of purines.

Normally, uric acid is eliminated from the body by the kidneys and a bit of hyperuricemia usually does very little harm. In fact, most people with high levels of uric acid in the blood never develop gout. However, some people are more sensitive to high levels of uric acid, and their bodies will form crystals that accumulate in the joints and cause painful gout symptoms.

The main goals of treatment for gout are relieving the chronic pain that comes with this disease as well as prevention of future gout attacks. Left untreated, it can also lead to long term problems like joint destruction and, ultimately, kidney damage. Diets to reduce uric acid also benefit gout sufferers by helping them lose weight, which has also been shown to help lower concentrations of uric acid in the blood.

Foods containing uric acid and the compounds that metabolize into uric acid include most animal meats, such as beef, pork and seafood. Poultry and ham, the 'white meats,' can have some degree of purine content and should be eaten very sparingly, but they are not as detrimental as the 'red meats.' Bacon, however, is very high in purines due to the processing used to make it ready for human consumption and should be avoided. Alcohol and breads which contain yeast are also foods high in uric acid that should be kept out of the diet.

Black cherry juice, also known as sour cherry or bitter cherry, is also being used in great quantities to help relieve the symptoms of gout in conjunction with diets to reduce uric acid. Celery seed extract and bromelain are some popular alternative medicine remedies that have been used as natural anti-inflammatories and have been well received by those who suffer chronic inflammation. Adding eicosapentaenoic acid (EPA) and folic acid to the diet can also assist in reducing inflammation in gout episodes.

By eliminating some foods high in uric acid from the diet, many gout sufferers have found some measure of relief from their pain and taken back control over their bodies that they feel had been taken away from them. Diets to reduce uric acid are also quite beneficial in conjunction with other natural therapies such as heat therapy and acupuncture, and many people are reporting a definite decrease in pain and other symptoms simply by making a few changes to their diet and lifestyle.
What to eat?

Eat foods low in saturated fat, such as:
• Fat free or 1% fat dairy products – skimmed milk
• Fish and shellfish in limited quantity & Lean meats
• Skinless poultry
• Whole grain foods
• Certain fruits (e.g. apples, pears & guava)
• Certain vegetables (e.g. cabbage, green leafy and carrots less spinach)
• Dried peas and beans. Dry peas and beans also have a lot of fibre, which can help to lower blood cholesterol. Try adding a ½ cup beans to pasta, soups, and vegetable dishes.
• Egg whites have no cholesterol, and you can substitute them for whole eggs in recipes - two egg whites are equal to one whole egg.
• Buy low fat dahi (curd) or make it at home using only skimmed milk. Try topping it with fruit.
• Choose liquid vegetable oils that are high in unsaturated fats - like canola, corn, olive, peanut, safflower, sesame, soybean, and sunflower oils.
• Choose whole grain breads. They have more fibre than white breads.
Strawberries and cherries have great benefit in reducing uric acid the cherries can either be fresh or tinned and has been hailed in numerous natural therapy books. I hope this is of use to you.

What not to eat?

Limit foods high in cholesterol, such as:
• liver and other organ meats
• Egg yolks. Yolks are limited to no more than 3 yolks per week
• Full-fat dairy products , whole milk etc.
• Limit butter. It is high in saturated fat and cholesterol.
• Limit sweet baked goods that are made with lots of saturated fat, mostly from butter, eggs, and whole milk such as croissants, pastries, muffins, biscuits, butter rolls, and doughnuts. These are also high in cholesterol.
Limit foods high in saturated fat, such as:
• High fat processed meats (e.g., sausage, kheema) and fatty, untrimmed red meats.
• Fried foods
Other Defensive Measures
• Alcohol, especially beer, should be avoided. Limit alcohol consumption to 1 drink 3 times a week. Alcohol increases uric acid production by accelerating purine breakdown. It also reduces uric acid excretion by increasing lactate production, which impairs kidney function. Elimination of alcohol is all that is needed to reduce uric acid levels
• Drink 2 to 3 L of fluid daily. Adequate fluid intake helps dilute urinary uric acid.
• Avoid acid forming items like artificial sweeteners, Carbonated soft drinks & fizzy drinks, Cigarettes, Flour (white wheat), Goat, Lamb, Pastries & cakes from white flour, Pork, Sugar, Beer, Brown sugar, Chocolate, Coffee, Custard with white sugar, Jams, Jellies, Liquor , Pasta, Semolina, Table salt(refined & iodised), Tea black, White rice, vinegar.
• Avoid High-Purine foods like organ meats, whole eggs etc
• Consume a moderate amount of protein. Limit meat, fish and poultry to 4 - 6 oz per day. Use preferably good protein food such as low fat dairy products and soy protein.
• Limit fat intake by choosing leaner meats, foods prepared with less oils and lower fat dairy products.
50% of the uric acid in the body comes from food. Below is a list of food high in uric acid;
Shellfish Lobster, crayfish, prawns, mussels, oysters, crabs, scallops.
Organ meats Liver, kidney, brains, sweetbreads
Red meat Any red meat. Especially game.
Vegetables Peas, beans, spinach
Fish Anchovies, mackerel, sardines, herring
Urinary Alkalinization
As previously stated, the solubility of uric acid is pH dependent. If your urine is acidic (pH 5) it will dissolve a thousand times less uric acid than at pH 7. Alkalinization is usually reserved as a treatment to dissolve away stones that have already formed. Either bicarbonate of soda or citrate is used. The aim is to raise the pH of the urine to the range 6.5 - 7. The amount of citrate or bicarbonate required varies from person to person. You will be asked to monitor the acidity of the urine with a simple dipstick test. When you know how much to take you should remain on his dose until the stone has gone. It is important not to take too much as raising the pH over 7 increases the risk of calcium stones forming. Remember, water has a pH of 7 so, the more you drink, the more likely you are to achieve the right level of acidity.
It is not unreasonable to take a dose of citrate or bicarbonate after a meal high in uric acid. This should not be seen as an effective way to eat lots of shellfish and brains
Drink enough water & Limit your protein intake
Increase output of uric acid
Ingestion of 500 mg of Vitamin C per day has been shown to bring about a 0.5 mg/dl decrease in serum uric acid through increased excretion. Some Gout sufferers have recently found that taking up to 1,000 mg of Vitamin C, combined with a small dosage (approx. 10-15 mg./day) of Lithium have had very beneficial effects on their uric acid levels.
Vitamin C, taken in high doses, can help decrease blood uric acid levels, but should not be taken without a doctor's supervision. Note that there is a small subset of people with gout who will actually get worse with high levels of vitamin C. Also, a single high dose can free up too much uric acid and cause kidney stones. (University of Maryland Medical Center for Integrative Medicine). Avoid aspirin.

Foods High in Purines Food (Total Purines in mg uric acid/100 g) Fish, sardines in oil (480) Liver, Calf's(450) Beef, (110) Fish(257) rispbread(60). Meat, poultry, nuts, seeds, eggs and seafood are all fairly high in purines.
znaeem51 last decade
Hi i am still on urtica urens 10 drops thrice daily for my problem.anything else to be added with Urtica urens.
andy_65_in last decade
can i take sone lemon mixed with honey and hot water early morning.also is apple cider vinegar ok or not for my problem
andy_65_in last decade
I tried BERBERIS VULGARIS and EPIGEA RQ 10 drops each thrice daily to control my uric acid which has dropped to 7.5 from 8.3 in one month which is slow progress though i have no wrist pains now.can someone suggets some other medicene or else is this treatment ok for now.someone had suggested to me FABINA 200 PITCHI PITCHI pills which helped me reduce uric acid much fast but alas i cant locate that medicene where i am located now.what shud i finaly do now
andy_65_in last decade
Please suggest any homeo med other than urtica urens for reducing uric acid-i am presently at 6.3 which though within limits iscausing some problems-i shall be extremely tahnkful
andy_65_in last decade
A Homeo remedy is always selected on the basis of totality of symptoms. Please copy the Questionnaire from the following thread http://www.abchomeopathy.com/forum2.php/188925/
The effectiveness of remedy selection is directly proportional to the details provided by you while replying these questions. Please post all the questions here duly answered. On that basis your remedy may be worked out.

Best wishes,
Info.rahiq last decade
has someone heard about a aloopathic medicene FEBUTAZ 40 mg which one doc told me was better than zyloric for uric acid.comments please
andy_65_in last decade
please help.my uric acid has shot up to 8 from a borderline 6.3 -i think the culprit was lime juice and paneer and some dals which iconsumed everyday.have stopped them because of pain in left ankle.continuing acid benzoic 30.looking for a better medicene.can allupurinol taken for about 10 days only be safe to reduce uric acid to within limits or should i avoid these allupurionol med.please help someone.
andy_65_in last decade
Please follow the link and answer the questionnaire. It's so important.
Info.rahiq last decade
Take a dose of Sulphur 200
...don t repeat.
Post feed back after 4 days.

Punkaj Varma
PANKAJ VARMA last decade
1.main suffering-high uric acid(currently 8).pain and swelling in left ankle

2. other suffereings-simple hypertension under cointroil by ayurveda also wear and tear of knees and ankles(due to military career)
3. mental sufferings-sometimes helplessness,tension.
4.when at worst i feel pain on my ankle when walking/standing
5.it started in about 2004 when i had the first attack of uric acid.cause -probably my regular alcohol and non veg.
6.its worst after i sart the day in midday etc
7.things which increase my sufferinh are alcohol,non veg,nimboopaani.drinking water probbaly reduces sufering
8.my sufferings are not related to any external stimuli
9i feel better during hot weather and worst during wet weather
10.gen mental setup-arrogant,no patience,worrisome.not bothered abt thunderstorm,do like being consoled in tough times,love my family.
11. my fears are my family rel;ated stress like the future of my schizophrenic brother,my fathers old age and also my current uric acid problem.
12.i crave for salty items in food like peanuts,namkeen,fried stuff,avoid sweets
13.thirst is normal though i consume more water for my uricv acid problem
14.hunger normal but sometimes i overeat.
15.my body can stand any type of food
16.sweat normal.sweat allover
17.suffer from constipation sometimes-childhood problem-need tea everdya for bowel movement which am replacing with warm water now.
18.sleep 7-8 hours.sleep on sides but my posture keps cahnging in sleep-have the habit of moving limbs in sleep
19.yes i have a satisfactory sexual life( Im married)
20.i am a normal person
21.so far took urtica urens,acid benz,fabina 200 pitchipitchi for my problems of uric acid-didnt touch allopathy at all-also taking ayurvedic med
22.maj disease in family -father has haemmoroids,2 younger brother both obesity,hypertension,one exzema,other szizophrenia
23. i lok like a normal male 5 ft 11 inches , age 45,weight 77 kg average built
andy_65_in last decade
please someone suggest can i take amla(indian gooseberry) juice to reduce uric acid-i fear it may harm me the way lemon has done-any comments please
andy_65_in last decade
Dear Andy,

Stop taking all the remedies including Urtica Urens, Acid Benz, Fabina, etc. & all kinds of Ayurvedic medicine too. Please do not take Amla (Indian Gooseberry) Juice. Those are useless for you. Please completely avoid alcohol and tea.

Please take 5 (five) doses of Rhus Tox 200c at a gap of 12 hours. Do not take any other remedy or herbs on the next 7 day. Do not repeat it on the next 7 day after completing these 5 doses.

1st dose means:

Insert 1 pellets or 1 drop of the remedy into 15 ml distilled water. Thoroughly stirred it and take 1 teaspoon from it. Please use only hygienic teaspoon or boil the teaspoon before use.

2nd to 5th dose means:

Get a 500ml bottle of distilled Water from the nearest supermarket. Pour out about 250 ml of water from the bottle to leave some airspace. Insert 1 pills (If the remedy is in pills form) or Insert 1 drop (If the remedy is in liquid dilution form) of the remedy into the bottle and shake the bottle hard 10 times in a row (10 strokes of equal strength). Shaking the bottle hard is homeopathic succession which is done to enhance the medicinal power of the remedy.

Please take only 2 DROPS of the reconstituted dilution of 250 ml using a disposable dropper every time at a gap of 12 hours.

Please SHAKE the bottle hard 10 times in a row (10 strokes of equal strength) EVERY TIME before taking 2 drops from this bottle using a disposable dropper which can be used as a dose.

Please report back after 7 day. I look forward to your response. You may see some aggravation on first few days. Please do not worry about that. All the existing symptoms will be subsided with in a few days.


1/. Nothing should enter the mouth for 1 hour prior to, or after taking the remedy.
2/. If your remedy came in pills form do not touch the pills with your hands, tip them into the cap of the container they came in and then into the water.
3/. Avoid coffee, tea (including green), and other sources of caffeine such as some fizzy drinks and large amounts of chocolate, except where this would cause a drastic change in consumption
4/. Avoid wearing perfume or exposure to anything with a strong smell on the day and 3 days following the remedy administration. This includes any and all essential oils, and incense.
5/. Avoid the consumption of excessively spicy foods.
6/. The use of medicinal herbs, either as 'teas' or supplements should be avoided during Homoeopathic treatment, as should the use of over the counter medication, unless this has been recommended by your Doctor.

Best wishes,
Info.rahiq last decade
Can someone suggest medicene for foot sesamoids pain( in right great toe)
andy_65_in last decade
does wine aggravate uric acid.mine has reached 9.2 without any pain whatasoever.also is dal chini poweder safe to eat to reduce uric acid. has anyone head abt FEBUTAZ 40 mg-are these patent uric acid lowering tablets.please advice.
andy_65_in last decade
There is cure for Gout in Unani. Majun-Suranjan & Habb-e-Asgand Really works & stops the Gout attack completly. These medicine are available at Unani medical store.
Kannan Erode last decade
For Lowering the URIC ACID you can take G-Amrita capsules by (Shree Dhanwantri Pharma)daily 2-2-2 after meal. But diet is very important. one must stop taking Non-Veg & must take 4 to 5 Liters of plain water. Take for 48 days to get rid of URIC ACID.
Kannan Erode last decade
Hi i tried urtica urens with acid benz 6 thrice a day with water and today my uric acid is down from 6.8 to 4.9 in 2 months-should i continue this to get it to at least 4 or is it 0k
andy_65_in last decade
can i take supplements with hyaluroic acid ,GELATIN,SOYABEAN OIL ETC for my knees-will this raise uric acid
[message edited by andy_65_in on Sat, 03 Sep 2011 05:04:52 BST]
[message edited by andy_65_in on Sat, 03 Sep 2011 05:06:03 BST]
andy_65_in last decade

Just try it if you've got uric acid after all no harm done.
This is a really effective, just mix green papaya cubes to the ordinary green tea, my cousin-brother tried and found it very effective.
I have also shared with a friend with gout to try this (his 'toe joints' started to deform), after a week of drinking this formula there is significant improvement, and after two weeks the toe joints heal and revert to normal state.

It is almost three years now, the joint pain is gone, but he maintains the intake between 1-3 times monthly to avoid relapse.
Other friends suffering from years of gout problem have also recovered.
It is good for all, even those without gout.

Good formula! Do share with the people in need!
An improved sequence by Professor Lai from the China School of Pharmacy :
Cut green papaya into small cubes, place into the water, bring to boil, then add tea leaves, similar to the tea-making process.

Clinical tests show that this brings better effects for treatment of gout, subject to frequent drinking of this formula.
Mr. Liu Qing, Chief of the Rende Town in Tainan, was suffering for years from severe stomach pain around the posterior wall of stomach.
He used green papaya as a tea pot to prepare the family tea daily, after a month, his chronic disease condition was much improved.
His family members with high uric acid were also healed by the same papaya tea.
For this Mr. Liu planted a lot of papaya to share with relatives and friends with similar sickness.
According to Mr. Liu, in selecting the green papaya as tea pot, pick those the shape of which is fat and short, with larger capacity.
Cut off the top part of the papaya, clear away the seeds, open a small hole at the upper side wall to facilitate pouring of tea.
Create a small ventilation hole at top cover, put in the tea leaves, pour in boiling water, place the top cover back onto the papaya, you may also use the toothpicks to secure the top cover.
Similar to normal process of preparing tea.

Liu likes to use Oolong tea as the taste is good.
He was pleasantly surprised that the stomach pains he suffered for many years was healed after a month of drinking tea from the green papaya pot, without taking any other medication.
He passed some green papaya leaves to a friend who worked at a Medical Center to test and analyse the content.
The tests confirmed that the healthy enzyme present in papaya is beneficial to human health.
Now as papaya in Mr. Liu's orchard is yielding suitable size fruits, he would share the fruits with family and friends.
Xu Fuchang, an experienced papaya farmer, said green papaya means to unripe papaya, where the skin is still green in colour.
Generally, the papaya takes about four months to fully mature and ripen, but the healing effect would be lost after it is fully ripe.
Green papaya should be harvested when the papaya is approximately three months old, when the fruit is still firm, and the 'papaya milk' contains high papaya enzyme and other healthy ingredients.
Not only the green papaya can be used in tea drinking, you may also cut them into cubes, and boil with the ribs, or even slicing the green papaya into fine long pieces and fried with garlic, very tasty, and no adverse effects on the human body.
Dr Zaair Husain last decade
Thanks Dr. Zair-
I know people who will want to try this!

simone717 last decade
PL stop all other medicines
Pl take
1. Ledum-200 6 pills twice a day
2. Uric Acid-200 6 pills at bed time

Pl take this treatment for 15 days and give me feedback

R.P. Tamhankar
shouse_nsk last decade

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