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7 yr old prescribed zoloft! nooooo!!!!

I'll try to be informative without writing a novel.

We have a 7 yr old, with 'natural' high anxiety. His older brother, and father all show signs of hyperactivity, aggression, and OCD traits. Handwashing, repetitive speech, overly worried about appearance. The father has learned to cope, and has never been treated. The older brother is much less severe, and has also learned life skills to manage, beyond the hyperactivity in the late evenings.

Our 7 year old though, is suffering terribly. After being home with him his whole life, I am attending college and MUST return to work soon. He is well aware that I will be working nights, and one of us will always be with him. No baby sitters or day cares will be used.

The past few months, his anger and lashing out at his older brother has increased, as well as voicing suicidal thoughts, and actually harming himself by scratching his face. He will scream, and throw temper tantrums well beyond what a 7 year old should. His most worrisome traits that have developed in the past 3 months:
Threatening to scratch himself
Voicing he wishes he was dead, never born.. etc.
Temper tantrums.
Refusing to listen
Meltdowns over simple things, such as a crooked sock seam
Screams if you look at him.
Intense itching.
Obsessive about germs, boo boos, thinking he is going to die.
Overall disagreement about anything.
Impatience in waiting his turn.
Severe separation anxiety, which has been since kindergarten. I finally took him out of school to homeschool him, as he was in the clinic daily, throwing up and following his teacher like a puppy, grades plummeting.

He is completely out of control at times, (10%) and quiet, normal and loving the rest.

After hearing his voicing suicidal thoughts, I immediately found a child psychologist. They have labeled him autistic (what??!) and want him on Zoloft. Every fiber of my being is screaming 'no!' and that there HAS to be another way to help him.

It's either a chemical imbalance, or behavioral. I've been looking into revamping our lifestyle and diet, as well as beneficial supplements (St. Johns wort? Omega 3's?) and strict daily routines before I will even consider putting a small child on SSRI's....

HELP US!!!!

Thanks for reading... I know it's a novel....
 
  ryansmom on 2009-11-28
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Is he sensitive to touch particularly around throat
 
vikas_grower last decade
Hello ryansmom,

Please give more information about the child.

What about his food cravings and aversions, general desires and general things which have an impact on him ?

Examples of general things can be heat, cold, wind, sunlight, , touch, body position, times of the day...

What else can you tell me about him that would help gain a deeper understanding ?

When did this start ? What happening in his life when this started ?

Talk about digestion, thirst, bowel movements, urination...

Anything odd and persistent must be mentioned.
 
sameervermani last decade
He can be sensitive to touch, extremely ticklish. While he wants to snuggle you, he can't stand an arm being around him. I haven't noticed any aversions to touching his face or neck, unless he is already agitated. Then you can't touch him at all, or even look at him without the tantrum worsening.

Food cravings: strawberry yogurt, fruit snacks, strawberry milk, cinnamon toast, peanut butter. Aversions, kind of typical for a 7 year old... steak, veggies, anything that is a mixture of food, such as a pot pie.

Also, he will refuse to eat if he did not witness you washing your hands.

General quirks, mysterious ankle pains, then a finger pain, then his jaw (from moving it too far one direction). Something always 'hurts' and it seems to travel.... Then it's an itch, or a tiny scratch. Then it starts over again with the ankle.

As his mood begins to swing to the 'tantrums' he gets sensitive to sounds, people entering or leaving.

We previously lived with my mom (about a yr and a half ago) and she was very babying to him. I know our move has been difficult on him, but it HAD to be done for his benefit, on many levels. She is just not healthy for any child. She is close by, and they have had an almost completely open visit schedule.

He has also had to deal with a death of a school mate, from a sudden anyrisim (sp?)which has been difficult to explain, and for him to grasp.

As far as eating and drinking goes, he does both constantly. He will eat breakfast 4 times before noon, asking repeatedly for food all throughout the day. It's like I run a cafe, and cater to his every whim. And YES, he eats all of it! From cereal, to oatmeal, then toast, and half a bagel. I don't know where he manages to put it all. But it's constant. It's like a little munching goat... and if you don't jump up and fix him something, he gets angry and emotional that 'you don't care if I starve, you don't love me' etc.

He also has a hard time deciding what he wants, and often gets angry and out of control just over THAT issue alone.

Drinking, same thing... not an unquenchable thirst at all, but angry reaction if you don't rush to satisfy his whim. he takes it very personally.

BM's are usually daily, usually accompanied by gas pains or nausea shortly beforehand.

The onset seems to bave been about 6 months ago, gradually worsening to now which is almost unbearable for him, and for us! Nightimes are nightmares for the whole family as he is so disagreeable... and volatile. You have no idea what will upset him.

Our eating habits have changed in the past 3 months, from proper meals of crockpot stews, to more quick frozen packaged foods :( We'll be working to get back to the basics of cooking to see if that helps as well.

Thanks for reading, I hope I answered everything. We're so perplexed and want our sweet kiddo back!
 
ryansmom last decade
Hi please talk more about the following:

'Screams if you look at him. '

So he cannot bear to be looked at ?

'Overall disagreement about anything. '

Does this amount to being very contrary ? i.e. He will just want to do the opposite of what you say ?

Sameer
 
sameervermani last decade
Also , this --> 'Handwashing, repetitive speech, overly worried about appearance.' is his symptom, or his father/brother's ?
 
sameervermani last decade
'his anger and lashing out at his older brother has increased'

Why do you think he lashes out at his brother ? What does he do while he lashes out ?
 
sameervermani last decade
'screams if you look at him', when he gets in trouble or you tell him not to do something, he will scream 'stop looking at me!' or 'what are you looking at!' and will cover his eyes or face.

this also happens if he gets hurt, he won't let you see the injury, gets angry and again.. screams 'stop looking at me'

His overall disagreement, can be anything and everything. What ever you say he will disagree with.. So yes, he just wants to be contrary. And sassy about it.

Any attempts to curb his behavior results in the same.. 'I don't care, I'm not going to my room, etc'. Defiant and cold. A battle that makes no sense, and usually ends when he gets distracted or family activities completely shift.. like bath and bedtime routines.

The handwashing,repetitive speech and appearance issues are also traits of his father, and older brother at times. They take longer to get ready than I do, and I do 10x's more!

The older brother is high strung, and loves to tease, taunt and play. Especially in the evenings. It's usually entertaining, BUT always goes too far. Al though intelligent, he's well aware that he's pushing buttons and will push to the very limit. For a few months now, we've had to severely limit the contact between the two (7 and 15 yrs) because the result will always be the same:

A very exaggerated outburst by the 7 yr old. A little pillow fight goes right into punching and attempts to hurt the older brother. He's even gone so far as to attempt to hurt him with sharp objects (pencils) or heavy objects.

During the afternoon/evenings the 15 yr old can't even walk into the room at times, without nasty communication between the two. The 'don't look at me!' also comes into play.

The 15 yr old now feels like he's walking on eggshells around the 7 yr old and resents it at times. While he is instructed not to do ANYTHING to provoke reactions, he will argue with him til they both turn blue, just out of principle. Its maddening.
 
ryansmom last decade
Okay, so I am going to ask 4 topics, please tell if they ring a bell in any way in relation to your child:

1) Snakes
2) Spiders
3) Wild dancing
4) Desire for amusement

Sameer
 
sameervermani last decade
1) Snakes - no
2) Spiders - no
3) Wild dancing - as a baby he would always wiggle to music, even a cell phone ringtone. As an older child, he has no interest at all in any type of dancing, other than Guitar Hero. :)
4) Desire for amusement - loves to play board or card games, always wants interaction.


I asked him his thoughts on snakes and spiders, and he replied 'why wouldn't I like them? I just don't want them on me...' lol
 
ryansmom last decade
Now that I think about it, he does have an irrational fear of bugs. Even gnats, flies and sugar ants. Can't stand any type of bug. Even while other children are passing around a little frog, or leaf bug, or neat looking stick bug, he won't have anything to do with it. It repulses him and gives him the shivers.

Most kids are fascinated with little critters and he has a definite aversion.
 
ryansmom last decade
Sameerji ,

Can it be Lac caninum .
 
vikas_grower last decade
Tonight before falling asleep, he complained of tingling in his fingers and feet... and ankle pain.

Kept asking me if his fingers felt weird, and of course to me they feel fine. He was fretting quite a bit, got slightly upset that I couldn't feel what he was feeling and trying to show me.

He then tried to soothe himself by talking about how even though you get hurt, you wouldn't necessarily die from it. Thoughts ranged from a bruise and scrape he got on his arm today, to buckets of blood from a head wound.. Even saying that might not kill you...

He Purelled his hands twice, ate a few bites of popcorn after muttering he was sure I didn't wash my hands before pouring it from the box into his bowl (!?)

This poor kid is soooo terribly worried about every little thing and the thoughts just grow and grow. I can't imagine living in his mind and it's breaking my heart...
 
ryansmom last decade
Okay, good.. so please follow this prescription to the letter..you can buy this remedy at health food stores like whole foods...

Three doses of LACHESIS MUTUS 30c to be taken for ONE single day ONLY as described below.

Dissolve 2 pellets of LACHESIS 30c in a 250 ml spring water bottle. If leave the pellets in water for 20 mins, they will melt. You can shake it gently after they have dissolved.

Give a teaspoon from this bottle using a disposable spoon 3 times, spaced by 45 minutes. This is to be done for one day ONLY. From next day, no more doses.

Let me know in 10 days after these 3 doses.

Restrictions:

1/. Nothing should enter the mouth for 40 minutes prior to, or after taking the remedy.
2/. Do not touch the tablets with your hands, tip them into the cap of the container they came in and then into the water .
3/. Avoid coffee, tea (including green), and other sources of caffeine such as some fizzy drinks and large amounts of chocolate, except where this would cause a drastic change in consumption
4/. Avoid wearing perfume/aftershave, or exposure to anything with a strong smell on the day and 3 days following the remedy administration. This includes any and all essential oils, and incense.
5/. Avoid the consumption of excessively spicey foods
6/. The use of medicinal herbs, either as 'teas' or supplements should be avoided during Homoeopathic treatment, as should the use of over the counter medication, unless this has been recommended by an MD.
7/. Nothing of a medicinal nature should be applied to the skin


Sameer
 
sameervermani last decade
Vikas, There are no indications for Lac-c here. It is either Tarent or Lach. The fear of contamination being so strong tilted in favour of Lach.
 
sameervermani last decade
Thanks Sameerji
 
vikas_grower last decade
Thank you so much for your reply. I appreciate your kind consideration.

I will be out looking at our whole food markets today for the remedy and start immediately.

Should we expect results within days, or weeks?

Is there anything else we can do to curb his anxiety in the meantime?

Today, he is restless after waking me at 5am due to terror of something stuck in his throat. By the time I got him a glass of water and grabbed a flashlight to assess him, the pain was gone...

He's very disagreeable today, boistrous, and honestly.. just evil and mean spirited. He is being very unpleasant, while smirking about it.

Putting him in time out results in 'I don't care, I don't have to', then a meltdown once he is placed in his safe place to relax. Hyperactivity is through the roof.....
 
ryansmom last decade
Dear Mother ,

With Mr Sameer , your little one is in safest hands and will gradually and slowly but definitely improve with time.

Dont lose patience over next 6 months as the treatment starts .

Over the next 6 months there will be ups and downs but u will realize a subtle but perceptible change in the little ones temperament .

Follow Mr Sameers advice and u will not be disappointed .
 
vikas_grower last decade
:) Thank you... We are being extremely patient with him and trying to give him some room while he exhibits this horrendous behavior. It's very difficult.

We're now homeschooling him for his own safety and to observe him more closely, which means ALOT of together time.

I think I'm going to need therapy before this is all over.

My husband and I will agree to continue his therapy at the physiologists, but I have decided to refuse chemical medications. They are untested and my instinct tells me that it's not the correct solution. I also have a sneaking suspicion they are more interested in our health insurance coverage payouts.

anyway, I'm rambling now. But did want to update on his mindset as the oddities occurred. Recall is much more accurate as it is happening.

Right now, he is refusing to change clothes before going out to play, which seems like such a simple thing. Being faced with staying indoors all day long due to his defiance, results in 'I don't care.....' Arrrrggggh!!!!
 
ryansmom last decade
I want to remind you that the remedy is to be taken for 1 day only.
 
sameervermani last decade
yes, I understand one day only. I was able to find it locally and we will begin tomorrow afternoon when we can accomplish the spacing of doses more easily.

Again, thank you so much for your time, and I'll report back. I may continue to blog a bit just for more insight.

Today was the worst yet, and he's vocalizing some pretty mean things, refusing to be social with friends, etc.
 
ryansmom last decade
We administered the remedy on 11/30, following directions exactly. He was a bit upset that food/drink was witheld for what he thought was an extended period of time....

Today is only day 5, and I don't know if I'm imagining things, but a distinct turn around began on day 2.

While he still has 'tantrums' they are much shorter lived and much further spaced apart! Yesterday, on day 4, he only had 2 minor incidences, that were very short lived and he pulled himself together quickly. It was brought on by the realization that we are Santa, lol His reaction was actually better than one of my older childrens!

We've been homeschooling him with a tight schedule, a little more discipline and serious talks about the things that bother him, and obsessive thoughts, such as dying. Had an hour long discussion about death, heaven, how most people don't even know it happened nor feel pain (this is a 7 yr. old..) He seemed extremely relieved to learn there isn't so much to fear of death itself... and that his friend was up in Heaven with his Grandpa, listening to angels.. blah blah/yada yada.

We have run out of Purell, and I'm not buying more just yet. He's barely noticed, and handwashing has been reduced to just before he eats or drinks, but he still wants to make sure I did before making his food, LOL.

Had a little reality chat about how many times we've eaten out, and the staff didn't wash their hands, and he's still alive.

Overall, I see a REMARKABLE turnaround so far. He is even venturing outside and to other friends houses close by, where before he was refusing to leave the house.

Nasty comments towards his family have almost dissapeared, and the 'old Ryan' was almost visible yesterday!!! The happy smiling one, with no worries.

I'd still like to see him worry less, and I'll be happy when the day comes that I realize it's been days/weeks since I've heard 'I wish I was never born' or 'I wish I could just die'. With the few tantrums that remain, those feelings creep right back. I'm going to keep working with him on anger management, expressing his feelings in positive (respectful) ways, and getting him to realize that all of life's troubles don't have to eat you up... To fall in such despair just because a friend has to go home..

Any thoughts are appreciated, and I'm so thankful that I found Mr. Sameer and this forum so I could help him :)
 
ryansmom last decade
Perfect, now we will just wait and watch.

Please procure Lachesis 200c, but do not administer till I tell you to.

Update me in 1 week from now.
 
sameervermani last decade
Will be picking up the Lachesis today.

Seems the past two days he has been slowly sliding backwards in behavior. OCD traits and fretting have returned, tantrums... refusing to go outside.

It's mentally exhausting dealing with him because it's not typical behavior that you can 'think ahead' and work with him. He gets irrational and over the top..

If he wants to play a game, he'll 'demand it' and if you can't possibly do it at that moment or ask him to wait, he'll go off in a tirade about no one loves him, ever plays, love his brother's more, hates us, we hate him, he wants to die...... by the times it's over, he's on the couch in time out (screaming, it's not a pretty sight) and we're pulling our hair out trying to keep our cool.

He hears nothing we have to say, and honestly he gets more attention than anyone else in the house......
 
ryansmom last decade
Hi ryansmom,

Please give him the dose of Lachesis 200c.

Dissolve 2 pellets in 120 ml water, and give him a teaspoon from there ONCE.

Report in 10 days please.
 
sameervermani last decade
When I went to pick it up today, we found that the clerk misunderstood. She had the Lachesis mutus,(again) not what inquired about, Lachesis 200C.

I will now have to order it, and hope for it to come next week.

In the meantime, can we do another round of the lachesis mutus as instructed before, or just wait for the Lachesis to arrive?

He's back to the previous behaviors at a crisis level. We can't even have the kids in the same room together...
 
ryansmom last decade

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