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1M? What the hell is that? I looked at the Wikipedia entry of your magical beliefs and only saw a C scale, a D scale, a Q scale and an X scale.
tuxcomputers last decade
1M are you kidding me? I just Googled it, succession 1000 times?
ahh ha ha ha.... at 200C I would have to shallow 10 to the power of 320 amount of matter contained in the universe to receive a single molecule of the original substance. It goes up exponentially from there.
Where is your favourite place to order this mighty mighty potent knock me dead magic pill?
I will swallow the entire bottle in one go, make that 2 bottles. I will document the entire thing.
Any homeopaths in Brisbane Australia that I can get this stuff from? You can be my witness, you can even video tape me doing it.
I throw down the gauntlet of the magical 200 year old mysticism against my gut.... wait how many pills in one bottle... that much sugar.. uhhh... how about the pure water instead.
How long do you think it would take the pure pure sweet water to kill me? 5 minutes? 10? An hour? I can hang around all day if required.
ahh ha ha ha.... at 200C I would have to shallow 10 to the power of 320 amount of matter contained in the universe to receive a single molecule of the original substance. It goes up exponentially from there.
Where is your favourite place to order this mighty mighty potent knock me dead magic pill?
I will swallow the entire bottle in one go, make that 2 bottles. I will document the entire thing.
Any homeopaths in Brisbane Australia that I can get this stuff from? You can be my witness, you can even video tape me doing it.
I throw down the gauntlet of the magical 200 year old mysticism against my gut.... wait how many pills in one bottle... that much sugar.. uhhh... how about the pure water instead.
How long do you think it would take the pure pure sweet water to kill me? 5 minutes? 10? An hour? I can hang around all day if required.
tuxcomputers last decade
Hello hello hello.... who wants to take the challenge? How about a wager? I am willing to take your money up to $1,000.... any more than that and it is just me taking advantage of your broken belief system.
You can choose 4 remedy's, I will take all 4 in one single go, I will even repeat them if required.
We can work out a protocol between us to ensure neither side is cheating.
You can choose 4 remedy's, I will take all 4 in one single go, I will even repeat them if required.
We can work out a protocol between us to ensure neither side is cheating.
tuxcomputers last decade
What I place a value judgement on is irrelevant to whether homeopathy works or not... or you saying that it has no physiological effect and you have to BELIEVE for it to work? (That's called the Placebo effect)
Pony up, we can have a believer prepare the remedy's to whatever strength that you specify and label them A to D. You can choose 2 that will have a physical effect (eg a rash) and 2 that have a mood effect.
You choose a medical centre in Brisbane, I will visit them with a list of questions prepared by yourself. Some will relate to the remedy's I will be taking most will not.
I will provide you a copy of my responses signed by the doctor.
I will then take the remedy's and repeat them as many times as you wish. After an amount of time specified by yourself I will revist the doctor. I will again answer the same questions.
Pony up, we can have a believer prepare the remedy's to whatever strength that you specify and label them A to D. You can choose 2 that will have a physical effect (eg a rash) and 2 that have a mood effect.
You choose a medical centre in Brisbane, I will visit them with a list of questions prepared by yourself. Some will relate to the remedy's I will be taking most will not.
I will provide you a copy of my responses signed by the doctor.
I will then take the remedy's and repeat them as many times as you wish. After an amount of time specified by yourself I will revist the doctor. I will again answer the same questions.
tuxcomputers last decade
If Homeopath.Left.Me has no confidence in the homepoathy actually showing a result then I will take the challenge from anyone.
It can be anyone, patient or promoter, I don't care. It can be any amount, as long as it covers the cost of anything that I have to go through.
I don't want to win and end up out of pocket because you are only willing to put up $5.
It can be anyone, patient or promoter, I don't care. It can be any amount, as long as it covers the cost of anything that I have to go through.
I don't want to win and end up out of pocket because you are only willing to put up $5.
tuxcomputers last decade
It does not surprise me that you would not face a real challenge to your magical mysticism beliefs.
Shake shake shake, ooga boooga, shake shake shake, there is nothing left but water... yum yum... hey I'm healed.
Take your sugar pills and pure water that have no effect on your body what so ever, just go see a REAL doctor if you have a real problem that is not self limiting.
Your belief in magic in the face of a real challenge to them and the potential windfall of $1,000 is astounding.
Did you stick your fingers in your ears and go 'la la la la, I can't hear you, I can't hear you'?
Where the hell is the moderator, I am sure if they REALLY REALLY believed in the hocus pocus of this crap they would jump at the chance to get $1,000 off me.
I am going to report this post to the moderator myself, that is sure to get their attention.
Shake shake shake, ooga boooga, shake shake shake, there is nothing left but water... yum yum... hey I'm healed.
Take your sugar pills and pure water that have no effect on your body what so ever, just go see a REAL doctor if you have a real problem that is not self limiting.
Your belief in magic in the face of a real challenge to them and the potential windfall of $1,000 is astounding.
Did you stick your fingers in your ears and go 'la la la la, I can't hear you, I can't hear you'?
Where the hell is the moderator, I am sure if they REALLY REALLY believed in the hocus pocus of this crap they would jump at the chance to get $1,000 off me.
I am going to report this post to the moderator myself, that is sure to get their attention.
tuxcomputers last decade
Reported to the moderator.
If the mod takes up my challenge I want to add the condition that this entire site displays nothing for a week but the message:
'This site is down because we lost a challenge to the effectiveness of homeopathy, we will be back in one week.'
If the mod takes up my challenge I want to add the condition that this entire site displays nothing for a week but the message:
'This site is down because we lost a challenge to the effectiveness of homeopathy, we will be back in one week.'
tuxcomputers last decade
Did you just take a homeopathic dose of cocaine mixed with speed?
On one side is the people that believe in 'water memory' on the other is me and the entire scientific community.... well minus a few kooks.
I am willing to put up $1,000 to prove that it does not work. I can have a bank cheque drawn up and handed to the believer in Brisbane that will be giving me the 'remedy's' before we start the challenge.
Find someone in Brisbane that does this and I will go to them. Use Google and find any of the witch doctor that practice your magic you want, I don't care. When I get there I will give them the cheque.
I can assure you that I am serious about the challenge and will meet any requirements you impose.
On one side is the people that believe in 'water memory' on the other is me and the entire scientific community.... well minus a few kooks.
I am willing to put up $1,000 to prove that it does not work. I can have a bank cheque drawn up and handed to the believer in Brisbane that will be giving me the 'remedy's' before we start the challenge.
Find someone in Brisbane that does this and I will go to them. Use Google and find any of the witch doctor that practice your magic you want, I don't care. When I get there I will give them the cheque.
I can assure you that I am serious about the challenge and will meet any requirements you impose.
tuxcomputers last decade
Are you blind?
I will take ANY remedy at ANY strength in ANY amount, that is an intergral part of the challenge. It's all pure water so I have ZERO fear.
I am 100% willing to change my belief in this, but only if it passes. I will be blinded as to what the four (count them four, 1, 2, 3, 4) remedy's are supposed to achieve.
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I will take ANY remedy at ANY strength in ANY amount, that is an intergral part of the challenge. It's all pure water so I have ZERO fear.
I am 100% willing to change my belief in this, but only if it passes. I will be blinded as to what the four (count them four, 1, 2, 3, 4) remedy's are supposed to achieve.
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tuxcomputers last decade
1. You say go take X.
2. I say sure why not I will take 4 of anything that you throw at me.
3. You say that I am not courageous enough to take any remedies.
4. I remind you that I am willing to put up $1,000 AND take anything.
5. You go take anti-depressants.
Is that a fair summary of the thread so far? I am willing to have my belief system turned on it's head by a test, are you?
2. I say sure why not I will take 4 of anything that you throw at me.
3. You say that I am not courageous enough to take any remedies.
4. I remind you that I am willing to put up $1,000 AND take anything.
5. You go take anti-depressants.
Is that a fair summary of the thread so far? I am willing to have my belief system turned on it's head by a test, are you?
tuxcomputers last decade
Money is involved to prove that you are a chicken and a liar that has weak to non-existant belief in what you are peddling to people with real problems.
I have $25,000 sitting in an account doing nothing. I am confident enough that I would put up the entire lot. As I said I am a nice guy and taking that much money from you is like kicking a paraplegic that has fallen out of their wheelchair.
I have $25,000 sitting in an account doing nothing. I am confident enough that I would put up the entire lot. As I said I am a nice guy and taking that much money from you is like kicking a paraplegic that has fallen out of their wheelchair.
tuxcomputers last decade
tux, you disagree with other members and that's fine. They will not convince you, and you will not convince them.
Nobody wants your money.
Nobody wants your money.
♡ moderator last decade
No-one wants to *TAKE* my money... ohhh ha ha ha haaaa he he he.... *wipes eyes*... yeah sure that's exactly why you are not willing to pony up against someone that poo poos your beliefs.
Ok lets say that is true for a moment. How about a non money wager? From you I want this web site to display nothing but the message I previously stated, what would you want from me?
Left.brain.in.bin, have you heard of the placebo effect? Every reliable study ever done on homepoathy has only ever shown a placebo effect, that's what happened when your mum recommend it and you tried it.
You WANT it to work, you BELIEVE it works, you have your PRIDE invested in it working and hey presto, it does. It would not matter if it was plain water, a sugar pill or treading on your own hand.... it's ppppllllaaaaaaccccceeeeebbbbbooooooo
Ok lets say that is true for a moment. How about a non money wager? From you I want this web site to display nothing but the message I previously stated, what would you want from me?
Left.brain.in.bin, have you heard of the placebo effect? Every reliable study ever done on homepoathy has only ever shown a placebo effect, that's what happened when your mum recommend it and you tried it.
You WANT it to work, you BELIEVE it works, you have your PRIDE invested in it working and hey presto, it does. It would not matter if it was plain water, a sugar pill or treading on your own hand.... it's ppppllllaaaaaaccccceeeeebbbbbooooooo
tuxcomputers last decade
If it was *me* running a forum on what I believed in 100% and then someone came on saying I was full of crap then I would certainly take up the challenge (and the money).
I would use the money to support the site and promote what I believed in to others.
Why won't you take up the challenge?
I can afford it, the people that come here for medical advice may just become worse if what they are trying to fix is not self limiting (like a cold).
You are happy to take money from those people but not me, why not?
If I can plant a seed of doubt in just one person that this is complete and utter bunk because you won't put your money where your big flabby lying mouth is then then my time here is worth it.
I would use the money to support the site and promote what I believed in to others.
Why won't you take up the challenge?
I can afford it, the people that come here for medical advice may just become worse if what they are trying to fix is not self limiting (like a cold).
You are happy to take money from those people but not me, why not?
If I can plant a seed of doubt in just one person that this is complete and utter bunk because you won't put your money where your big flabby lying mouth is then then my time here is worth it.
tuxcomputers last decade
Another idea for the money, take it and provide free homeopathy for those that can't afford it. Donate it to a charity in a poor country.
If anyone takes up my challenge I plan on donating between two places. One is an animal shelter where I volunteer, the other is to a guy that promotes critical thinking. That way there will be less people believing in sh*t like this.
If anyone takes up my challenge I plan on donating between two places. One is an animal shelter where I volunteer, the other is to a guy that promotes critical thinking. That way there will be less people believing in sh*t like this.
tuxcomputers last decade
♡ brisbanehomoeopath last decade
I reported myself to the moderator so I win that race.
No I am not lonelylooser, when I register on a forum I use either 'tuxcomputers' or 'hazza96'.
Come on make a believer of me, give me some super duper deadly 1M of arsenicum album or 1M of argentum nit.
I accept your challenge to take this deadly deadly poison.
brisbanehomoepath, you have my e-mail address, let me know where I can meet you, bring 4 bottles of each, I will be thirsty and pure water will cure it.
No I am not lonelylooser, when I register on a forum I use either 'tuxcomputers' or 'hazza96'.
Come on make a believer of me, give me some super duper deadly 1M of arsenicum album or 1M of argentum nit.
I accept your challenge to take this deadly deadly poison.
brisbanehomoepath, you have my e-mail address, let me know where I can meet you, bring 4 bottles of each, I will be thirsty and pure water will cure it.
tuxcomputers last decade
So why are you here?
Evidently not to get answers to your questions as it's pretty evident that you've already decided what you believe.
Suppose for a moment that you're right, and it's only placebo. Suppose again, that you convince us all of that. What would you have achieved? You would have taken a means of cure away, that's all. Nobody would be better off for your graciously taking the time to bestow your wisdom upon us.
Incidentally, I gave homeopathic arsenic to my young baby, not because I wanted to poison him, but because he was sick. You're 'challenge' would prove nothing. You could swallow all the homeopathic remedies you like and go on to live a wonderfully fulfilling life trolling internet forums the world over. Nobody is disputing that.
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Evidently not to get answers to your questions as it's pretty evident that you've already decided what you believe.
Suppose for a moment that you're right, and it's only placebo. Suppose again, that you convince us all of that. What would you have achieved? You would have taken a means of cure away, that's all. Nobody would be better off for your graciously taking the time to bestow your wisdom upon us.
Incidentally, I gave homeopathic arsenic to my young baby, not because I wanted to poison him, but because he was sick. You're 'challenge' would prove nothing. You could swallow all the homeopathic remedies you like and go on to live a wonderfully fulfilling life trolling internet forums the world over. Nobody is disputing that.
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♡ moderator last decade
I am here to see the mental gyrations that true believers go through when their beliefs are directly challenged.
Deep in your heart you know that it is total and utter bunk so you won't accept my challenge.
BTW Your baby was perfectly safe, I gave my kids water too, it's a perfectly natural and harmless substance.
Deep in your heart you know that it is total and utter bunk so you won't accept my challenge.
BTW Your baby was perfectly safe, I gave my kids water too, it's a perfectly natural and harmless substance.
tuxcomputers last decade
Yes I am putting you all down because of the danger your magical beliefs can cause to people with real medical problems.
I don't think I said water cannot have a vibration, I am pretty sure I said that the vibrations of water have never been measured even though we CAN measure all sorts of fantastical things.
Are you claiming that shaking water 10 times in each direction can make electrons jump orbit? Got any mathematics that supports your hypothesis?
I don't think I said water cannot have a vibration, I am pretty sure I said that the vibrations of water have never been measured even though we CAN measure all sorts of fantastical things.
Are you claiming that shaking water 10 times in each direction can make electrons jump orbit? Got any mathematics that supports your hypothesis?
tuxcomputers last decade
Quote: 'You would have taken a means of cure away, that's all.'
What exactly do you mean by that? Homeopathy is NOT a cure, that has been proven time and time again.
The people that believe in this BS would be better off, instead of turning to sugar pills or hocus pocus water they will go and see a real doctor before their condition gets worse.
Quote: 'You could swallow all the homeopathic remedies you like and go on to live a wonderfully fulfilling life'
What do you mean by that? Are you saying that all I am doing is taking a cure so the remedy's I take during the challenge will have zero effect on me?
What exactly do you mean by that? Homeopathy is NOT a cure, that has been proven time and time again.
The people that believe in this BS would be better off, instead of turning to sugar pills or hocus pocus water they will go and see a real doctor before their condition gets worse.
Quote: 'You could swallow all the homeopathic remedies you like and go on to live a wonderfully fulfilling life'
What do you mean by that? Are you saying that all I am doing is taking a cure so the remedy's I take during the challenge will have zero effect on me?
tuxcomputers last decade
Like I said lycopodium, being popular or old is completely invalid.
How LONG did people think the earth was flat? I reckon since the being of time. Just because people believe in it a long time does not make it correct.
How LONG did people think the earth was flat? I reckon since the being of time. Just because people believe in it a long time does not make it correct.
tuxcomputers last decade
Quote: 'As I said, if you are so sure it does not work, why haven't you proven us wrong by trying it?'
For the love of god, why do you keep saying that? I am prepared to take ANY remedy, at ANY strength, at ANY time, at ANY amount of repeats.
That is the entire point of the challenge.
For the love of god, why do you keep saying that? I am prepared to take ANY remedy, at ANY strength, at ANY time, at ANY amount of repeats.
That is the entire point of the challenge.
tuxcomputers last decade
Quote: 'And if it is mathmatical proof you want, for the love of g-d ask a physicist.'
I believe in a magical invisible pink flying unicorn, please provide mathematical proof that he does not exist, if you can't then he must exist.
Oh wait.... I am making the claim about the unicorn so it is up to me to prove that he *does* exist.
You claim that electrons jump about during your ritual shaky shaky and *I* am supposed to go find the proof?
As I said the psychological machinations of true believers is fascinating.
I believe in a magical invisible pink flying unicorn, please provide mathematical proof that he does not exist, if you can't then he must exist.
Oh wait.... I am making the claim about the unicorn so it is up to me to prove that he *does* exist.
You claim that electrons jump about during your ritual shaky shaky and *I* am supposed to go find the proof?
As I said the psychological machinations of true believers is fascinating.
tuxcomputers last decade
Tux,
You're saying homeopathy is only placebo. We disagree with you, but that's what you're saying. If that were the case, placebo is the means of cure. Gogole 'placebo effect'. eg:
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=placebo-eff....
I don't believe it is placebo, because I came to homeopathy from a deeply skeptical viewpoint, and still it helped me. I'm a statistically invalid sample of 1 though, and I wouldn't expect my experience to convince you. There are plenty of trials on the web though, and you can google them yourself.
I don't need to know the mechanism of action. I'd like to, but accept I don't. Neither do I understand the mechanism consciousness, but that doesn't stop me from being conscious.
Anyway, you're here to troll, so I'll bow out. I hope you enjoy your thread, but please be respetful of other members; trying to disrupt the forum in general is no more welcome than going to a public place and insisting everyone listen to you.
Simon
You're saying homeopathy is only placebo. We disagree with you, but that's what you're saying. If that were the case, placebo is the means of cure. Gogole 'placebo effect'. eg:
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=placebo-eff....
I don't believe it is placebo, because I came to homeopathy from a deeply skeptical viewpoint, and still it helped me. I'm a statistically invalid sample of 1 though, and I wouldn't expect my experience to convince you. There are plenty of trials on the web though, and you can google them yourself.
I don't need to know the mechanism of action. I'd like to, but accept I don't. Neither do I understand the mechanism consciousness, but that doesn't stop me from being conscious.
Anyway, you're here to troll, so I'll bow out. I hope you enjoy your thread, but please be respetful of other members; trying to disrupt the forum in general is no more welcome than going to a public place and insisting everyone listen to you.
Simon
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