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Hi,
I am starting to study homeopathy, now my task is to understand these teo big polygrests. I read a lot of materials about both aurum and platina, but still can not find the very sharp defferences among them. I know, that materias often describe these pictures in very deep pathology, but I would like to distinguish between these two not according to major symproms as haughtiness/depression, but according to slight details in not so deeply pathologised person. Person not mentaly ill, but quite normal, living in neighbourhood.
 
  natalija123451 on 2011-06-27
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AURUM (Dr. Sankaran's 'Soul of Remedies')

Aurum is a syphilitic remedy. It is one of the heavy metals of the 6th period. In Aurum the feeling is that the person must perform tasks which are impossible or much beyond his capacity. He demands of himself industry and responsibility, conscientiousness and duty of the highest degree, uncompromising principles or goals that are beyond the possible.
He almost destroys himself in trying to achieve these goals, because if he does not achieve them, he gets the feeling of failure, guilt and despair of salvation. It is as if his very survival depended on his ability to take on these huge responsibilities. He is afraid of losing the confidence of others and of himself. He has a feeling that he may fall down from this high position. This can make him suicidal. When Aurum gets suicidal thoughts, he does not have to fight with himself as Natrum sulphuricum does. Aurum will make a decision and act. He asks himself: 'Do I jump or not?'; if the answer is: 'I jump', he just jumps.
Aurum people are highly moralistic, principled and orthodox. However, sometimes it can work the other way round, i.e. finding the task too high; Aurum becomes then irresponsible and immoral. Aurum therefore, has the polarity between high morality and extreme guilt and suicidal tendencies. He alternates between 'I am highly moral' and 'I am highly immoral and have sinned away the day of grace'.

They are usually relieved tremendously by music. One of my early observations was that Aurum patients like to hear Bhajans. Bhajans are Indian religious songs, which are sung with exact meter and with a lot of devotion. The three components:
o Religiousness.
o Music ameliorates.
o Exactness.
are found in combination only in Aurum, and Aurum persons are almost the only people I have found to be markedly ameliorated from hearing Bhajans.
I was told by a musician that Tansen had composed Raga Darbari at the request of the Emperor Akbar, who wanted a raga to alleviate the feeling of tremendous responsibility he faced and the despair it brought about in him at the end of the day. The raga has tremendous depth, a feeling of great responsibility and hopelessness, which comes very close to Aurum.
The situational Materia Medica of Aurum is a situation in which his survival is dependent on his fulfilling his duty. Aurum is the eldest child of the family and his father is no more. Society will blame him if he does not take charge of his siblings. He raises the family. He is the duty-bound son, his views are very moral and conscientious. Aurum is concerned about how he appears to himself; he always checks whether he has done things right since his survival depends on this, and not on how he appears to other people as is the case with Silicea. Aurum is also very adamant about principles. His value systems are very strict and he imposes the same values on others; this is described by the rubric: 'Dictatorial'. He is intolerant of contradiction.

The first thing you will notice in an Aurum patient is that he is neat in appearance, conservatively dressed in an old fashion, sometimes with a religious mark on his forehead. He is punctual in his appointments. His case form is very neatly and completely filled in. He brings all his medical reports filed in sequence. On going through these records we find that he has been checking up on his health very regularly. He has taken the medicines scrupulously, not missing out a single dose. He describes his ailments correctly, date-wise and talks confidently, not too much and not too little. In his work he is very meticulous, careful about even the smallest of things; he is a perfectionist, will work late, check the last file, count the last penny. He is duty conscious and will never rest until he has completed the day's work. He is very much trusted and valued by his employer and colleagues, since he is extremely hard-working, highly responsible and honest. He does not seek money, power or fame. He is happy to have done his duty. He values appreciation, but that is not the aim of his work.
He has a strong sense of right or wrong, and the wrong doings of others provoke his anger. He is thus critical and sets very high standards for himself, as well as others. He will be very punctual and will expect you to be punctual too. If you delay him in your waiting room, he may burst in and demand that you keep the time. He can be quarrelsome and reproachful.

Aurum patients have a fixed idea about what their duties are, this generally depends on what they have been taught by their parents. An Aurum person may have been taught that, after he has fulfilled his responsibilities towards his family, he should turn to religion or social service; so having educated and married his children, he devotes his time to religion or helping others. He does this more from a sense of duty than from sympathy or anxiety for others.
Aurum can develop a very strong attachment to another person, often one much younger than himself. I have seen such a parent-child relationship develop with a person of the opposite sex, or it could be with his own child. The attachment is so strong that he must see the other person everyday, hear that person's voice, etc. The affection goes hand in hand with expecting the other person to obey and to act according to his wishes. Such relationships probably represent the Aurum need to be a parent to someone. It is when the other person rebels, in other words, refuses to be parented anymore, that Aurum becomes heart-broken. He experiences mortification, anger with indignation, tremendous depression, sadness, forsaken feeling, disappointment and he feels that life is not worth living any more. He can become suicidal at this stage. He totally withdraws and becomes highly irritable.
He often talks and answers in questions. He is easily disappointed with others just as with himself.

Physically Aurum persons tend to develop serious chronic problems such as hypertension, heart disease, destructive pathologies and c-ancer.
I have observed that many Aurum patients have a knobby nose tip and have fear of high places.
Phatak:
o Delusion, reproach, has neglected his duty and deserves.
o Anxiety, conscience of, as if guilty of a crime.
o Reproaches himself.
o Delusion, affection of friends, has lost.
o Confidence, want of self, others have none, which makes her unhappy, and thinks.
o Anxiety, salvation about.
o Delusion, succeed, he cannot, does everything wrong.
o Industrious.
o Loathing life.
o Suicidal disposition, throwing himself from a height.
o Religious affections.
o Music ameliorates.
o Questions, speaks continuously, in.
o Conscientious, trifles about.
Clarke:
o Increased scruples of conscience.
Kent:
o Knobby tip of the nose.


PLATINA (Dr. Sankaran's 'Soul of Remedies')

Platinum is a heavy metal, placed in the last line (period) of metals in the Periodic Table between Iridium and Aurum, and below Palladium. It belongs to the syphilitic miasm.
The Platinum feeling is of being humiliated, of being crushed down utterly, as if by some huge power. The Platinum woman has the feeling of being very small, of having to grow really large in order to survive. She believes that this growth depends upon her performance and she pushes herself to reach great heights. The expectation felt by Platinum is to be something special - a level of performance much above normal: 'Ailments from deceived ambition', 'Delusion, that she is noble'.

Aurum is the 'King', with his high sense of duty and responsibility. Platinum is the 'Queen' - she must carry herself regally, show herself superior. Everything about her is rare, valuable, spiritual, intellectual. Now she feels big inside. At the same time, being so special and rare, she feels left out in a world of ordinary people - she cannot mix or mingle with them. She cannot form relationships with other people just as the noble metal platinum cannot easily form a compound. So there is a feeling of loneliness, of isolation - a feeling of being the 'Queen', yet of being alone.
There is also the side of Platinum that puts down and holds in contempt everything that is ordinary. She feels she is intellectual and is contemptuous about the instinctive part of man which includes greed, anger, jealousy, sexuality. She is unable to integrate the intellectual with the instinctive: she is noble and therefore above the instinctive. But since both are definitely present, the instinctive side emerges as sexuality, which is an important part of Platinum: 'Mental symptoms alternate with sexual symptoms'. Often performance in Platinum is to be expressed through sexuality. The patients can use this aspect to have things their way. Platinum is the 'Queen', the power behind the throne. Her power depends on flaunting her superiority over others. Platinum has the fear that something will happen to her husband and he will never return - or that he will neglect her. Much of the performance and superiority in Platinum has to do with attractiveness to the male.

She feels that unless she proves her nobility and greatness, people will not come to her and she will be alone. At the same time, she feels superior and feels there is no place for her in the world. She is rare. She does not belong to her family. She can become contemptuous and casts off people even though she may not want to - extremes of behaviour: extreme haughtiness, contempt and superiority or, on the other hand, extreme inferiority. When theses persons take up something they always take it to the extreme. They are very ambitious and have to prove themselves superior, greater than others. If they see no hope of reaching the top or of achieving their ambitions, they can become suicidal. The contempt can be directed against herself.
The situation of Platinum is one of a woman who is not being given due respect - she is scorned, criticized, attacked. Her survival depends on saying: 'I don't care what they think of me. They are born low and I am born high.' Hell has no fury like a woman scorned! From this scorn and persecution comes the feeling of pride and nobility. Once she puts herself in the nobleman's class, she is isolating herself and has to prove herself extraordinary in order to survive. She is above the ordinary feelings and reactions of the people around her. She becomes contemptuous, haughty, ambitious. Sometimes, if these persons are not being given the chance to be big or super-special, they can go into fancies or imaginations of being very big or powerful, of rescuing the planet or destroying it, etc.

Amongst some of my observations of Platinum is that they may have sexual perversions, including sadomasochism. Some patients have shown a tendency to gluttony. Platinum has a rubric: 'Contemptuous, greedy eating, with'.
Platinum has several neuralgic pains that increase and decrease gradually. The pains cause the patient to really shriek out for aid and demand immediate attention.
Rubrics:
o Scorn, ailments, from.
o Delusion, that she is disgraced.
o Contemptuous of everyting.
o Casting off people against her will.
Delusion, does not belong to her own family.
o Delusion, she is alone in the world.
o Delusion, that all person are devils.
o Delusion, everything seems horrible.
o Delusion, everything in the room is diminished, while she is tall and elevated.
o Fear that husband would never return, that something would happen to him.
o Delusion, humility and lowness of others while he is great.
o Egotism.
o Haughty.
o Kill, desire to, something urges to, her husband, of whom she is very fond.
o Lascivious, lustful.
o Libertinism.
o Religious affections alternating with sexual excitement.
o Suicidal disposition, but lacks courage.
o Contemptuous, in paroxysms, against her will.
o Love, own sex, with, homosexuality.
Kent:
o Genitalia, female, masturbation, disposition to.
Phatak:
o Admonition aggravates.
o Constipation while travelling.
o Direction: Pain increases gradually and decreases gradually.
o Shrieking for help.
[message edited by brisbanehomoeopath on Mon, 27 Jun 2011 21:22:36 BST]
 
brisbanehomoeopath last decade
THANK YOU VERY MUCH for you exhausing excelent work.
I know these (Shankarans pictures), I read many materias and I can find these slight differences, but still can not find any HUGE, CLEAR differences from PRACTICAL point of view, I mean real life. Something very simple and easy to find to differentiate among these two. For example, what I found comparing several materias medicas is this (I am not sure, wheter I understand it correctly): Platinum hates any type of constraint, what is the reason why she avoids having children, or feels a deep desire to kill them if they are not perfect (according to her), what can be of course suppresed into unconcious level and seen as tendency to sterility, abortion etc. On the other hand Aurum needs to be parent, in one MM I found out, that A feels his life as unfullfilled or is depressed until having children. Do you think we can generalise it like this? Or I have incorrect way of thinking? Do you know of any other this kind of huge differences you observed in your patients or in you study. Knowing materias is very impotant, but I am still not able to apply this level of abstraction on a practical life.
Thank you very much for any ideas, I am very glad to learn anything new!
 
natalija123451 last decade
Each of these remedies are quite broad in scope, you may see several patients all needing these remedies who can display different aspects of it.

Often the differences between two remedies that belong in the same group can be more subtle than 'huge'. It takes time to draw these differences out in a patient.

Aurum is all about responisibilty, or failure. The core of Aurum is 'I have failed, I am unworthy, I have neglected my duty and now I must die'. Aurum patients are SO duty-conscious it is painful, they cannot let go of their responisibilities - they work too hard, they take everything too seriously, they expect too much of themselves. They kill themselves to handle everything. 'I am solely responsible for everything, for everyone'. This is what it comes down to. In a superficial way they can look like the workaholic Nux-v, who also believes that only they can do everything. But for Nux-v it is not duty, it is Impatience - they simply cannot wait for you to do it, they must get it done NOW and so they will do it all themselves.

Aurum doesn't have to be a parent - this is not part of the disease state, or any disease state for that matter. That is a normal healthy human feeling. But in being a parent, Aurum takes it very seriously, they are the parent that excepts 200% responsibility for their child, who expects them to work hard and achieve great things. They accept this as their duty to make sure their child is successful, controlling what they do, pushing them to achieve more. In fact the whole family tends to revolve around an Aurum parent, who feels they alone must bear all responsibility for the family. Aurum-mur comes very close to this as well, with their focus being even more specific around parenting and nurturing.

Aurum need to express their desire for responsibility. Parenthood can do this, but so can Work and Study.


Platina on the other hand, seems very different when you meet them. They only talk about responsibility in a more superficial way. The core of Platina is 'I am superior to everyone else, I must act in a way that shows this at all times'. Their survival depends on being better than everyone else, on feeling taller, more rare. The feeling is 'I am of noble blood'. They expect others to recognize this and treat them accordingly. They must not act in a way that lowers them to the level of the 'common' people. To be common, ordinary, is like death to Platina. In some ways they can seem like Silicea, who's focus on Image can appear like this. But Silicea does not feel better than others, they just feel they must maintain an Image at all costs, which feels fragile and prone to breaking when people observe them.

Platina does not want the responsibility of children, because she needs to be the centre of attention. Children take this away from her. The whole process of giving birth, nursing children, caring for them through sickness, can be too 'common' for them. They are the parents that will get a Nanny, or perhaps their Mother, to come in and look after them. They don't want to 'dirty their hands' so to speak. The child must also show itself to be superior, as a blood relation, and the expectations they can place on their children can be quite severe (but very much like Aurum). The child represents the Platina parent, and if it does not live up to this superior expectation, they want nothing to do with them, will neglect them, cast them away, send them to boarding school or foster them with a relative.

It may be even better to not risk having children, who can disappoint so easily. Better to not risk it at all. While Platina can ensure they always appear superior and rare, they cannot ensure that children do.

So like Sepia they do not want children. But Sepia cannot bear the loss of energy that loving and nurturing a child takes. It is too much for poor Sepia, who finds love a burden. Platina do not want a child that is not superior in every way, because it would reflect on them too poorly.

Once you understand the basic theme of a remedy, it is possible to extend that theme into every aspect of a person's life. This is the purpose of living materia medica - and it is what I taught at a tertiary level for 7 years.
[message edited by brisbanehomoeopath on Tue, 28 Jun 2011 22:30:47 BST]
 
brisbanehomoeopath last decade
Superbly excellent are the two words coming to my mind Dr. Kampson for your comparison of PLATINA & AURM.Be always guiding us all like this only.
As for platina you have mentioned about the sexual perversion.Yes, it is one of the best medicine for this & I have the experience of getting excellent results in two cases of Homosexuality.Though the tendency is not totally eradicated but the obsession is not there any more.
Once again congrats for the excellent work.
 
daktersaab last decade
BTW Dr. Kampson in your post are you are referring to Late Dr.P.Sankaran the senior or the present day Dr.Sankaran? Will you please clarify.
 
daktersaab last decade
The information above is taken from the son, Rajan, who built his knowledge on the firm foundations of his father's knowledge.
 
brisbanehomoeopath last decade
Oh btw the last discussion on the features of Aurum, Nux-v, Platina and Silicea was from my own observations over the years.
 
brisbanehomoeopath last decade
Thanks for the information.
 
daktersaab last decade
Dear brisbanehomoepath,
thank you a lot for your answer,
now I start to see the problem much clearer and I see the differences as much more obvious. I see, studying homeopathy is really deep and longlasting goal, needed every piece of a man to get it as perfect as it can be.

The case I am confused with and because of what I am still searching for more details is a friend of mine, which I would like to know, wheter there is platinum or aurum in the game.

First of all, I saw this feeling of haughtiness and being something better than the others, but this person does not like to show it, because she is intelligent and knows, that it in not ethically right to show others being superior. That was why I thought about platina, but is platina concerned about what is ethicall? Or can it be only a compensation, a way how to hide things that are not so accepted?

This woman told me she needs a help because she started to be afraid of herself - she has a child (i think around 1,5 years old or so) and sometimes she is very upset and angry, when the child does not sleep or eat enough according to routine patterns. She told she feels so upset, that she is afraid she would harm the child physically, despite the fact she loves the child very much.
When the child was born, she wanted everything to be perfect: the natural birth, breastfeeding, bathing - she was so into doing everything prfect, that she did not let anyone else to do things with the child and felt that everything is only at her and if anything happened to her, the family would sink down. This looks like aurum, now I see. But in last time, she started to tell me, that she has thoughts about going back to work and leaving the child on nanny, because she is not able to keep in this state of normal mother anymore.Normal day of a mother at home starts to be a nightmare because of all the washing up and tidyng with a child hanging on her leg. She feels like a bad mother, not able to keep house and child in perfect state at once and this drives her crazy. She feels best when the child is out with her mother and she has time for herself. She wanted the child very much, but the pregnancy was hard because of its constrictions. Maybe it is the sepia state of mind provoked by the enourmous responsibility? Something like an exhaustion, I mean. But maybe, it was only a compensation (being a perfect mother, responsibility of a family) and platinum state was hidden under this mask. What seems as a platinum to me is pattern of unstable relationships - not able to be settled with one partner, always in love/hate patterns, hysteria, devalvation of the partner and high demands on the partner and feeling of not being loved which is under all this, what I deduced. Dramatic scenes, much crying and impossibility of leaving the partner despite the fact that the relationship is very strange. fear of being abandoned and great agressivity when this thread is put in place.Something like angel devil personality - lot of love but lot of hate, violence, demands. Also there is a self criticism after these scenes - that she did smthing terribly wrong and no one should be in contact with her anymore.
Psychiatrist I advices prescribed light antidepresants (zoloft I think) and xanax for the evening.

What do you think?

Just for the information - I do not have an ambition to treat this patient, it is for me only a case study of a person I know quite well.
 
natalija123451 last decade
The important thing with any analysis of a case is not to theorize about motivations or reasons or experiences. Ask the patient directly. When you say to yourself 'I wonder if this is 'a' or 'b' ' you shouldn't turn to someone else, go back to the patient and ask them. They know the answer - get them to tell you. Don't deduce, don't assume, don't imagine - ask them, get the true answer. Otherwise, you are simply creating a case out of your ideas, and this will probably not lead to the correct remedy.

Perfect is a word of the C-ancer miasm, not Syphilitic, so perhaps the miasm is wrong for Platina or Aurum.

Many of those words you use are actually words of Row 2 in the periodic table - the Carbon Series - not normal, bad mother, unstable relationships, alternating emotional states, hyperemotional states, doing things wrong, alternating arrogance and lack of confidence. Carbon remedies often hide a weak insecure nature behind a mask of being superior and aggressive. But again that is just theorizing on my part.

You would have to explore more, there is not enough here to be sure. What does she say her problem is? Then how does she express that problem? What is the way that problem impacts on her life and how does she cope with it? Those questions help to focus your analysis. The physicals and generals may provide better direction than the mentals, which can be tricky unless used by someone with a lot of skill and experience.
 
brisbanehomoeopath last decade
Thank you a pot,
I see, I complicate things a bit, being a psychologist. I read these passages of Shankaran about compensation and maybe started to deduce too much.

Idea of carbon row is interesting, I will study it more deeply from Scholten.

The fact, I thought about something from period of gold is this persons dominance, power and ambition to be the first and the best and the intolerance of any contradiction, alson unability to work under someone elses conduction, doing everything according to own ration (I know it best), which is obvious any time, also under stress and during illness.

She seeked for the 'best hoemopath' in our country and this gave her remedies, in which I can not see any logical pattern (tarrentula, hyosciamus) and this did not help mentally.

As she told me, her most problem is:
-too strong, do not know what to do with the energy, feeling the others are weak and can not help or give her anything that would be valuable for her
-too angry, angry when things go wrong, bursts of anger, too dominante to cooperate with anyone - she tries whole life to be good, calm person, that feels happy
-second dominant problem - feeling of loneliness and islolation (alone in the world) which goes throught whole life, not able to be on her own

how does she express the problem: not able to suppress it now, anger goes out, or is still somewhere around and shows as loathing or aversion to people, to everything.

Impact on life:
not many friends, not a popular person,loneliness, isolation from 'normal' world and happiness outside

Coping the anger:
high doses of sport, was alson obssesive in past,
dependence on the loved ones

Physicals:
not many problems, thats the difficuilt here - only weak immunity - getting sinusis, cold, tonsilitis very easily, in child hood many episodes of pneumonia suppressed by atb, prolapsed uterus, dysmenorhea, strong sexual need, but difficuiltes to give herself emotionally to a partner, headaches - eyes sensitive to light, terrible migraine attacks finishing by vomiting, shortsighted - left eye is worse, illnesses start on right side, (now I see there are quite a lot physical symptoms)AILMENTS star often after romantic dissapointment (loss or threat of loosing the loved one, one spouse died tragically when she was 22, told she was never recovered completely after this and not able to find successfull relationship at all, only happines goes from the child - but afraid to form too intense symbiotic relationship, so seeking for help again.

When a child, there was a period of cephalea and insomnia, by doctor evaluated as neurastenic neurosis.

When I asked on depresion (because she looks sad all the time), ahe told me, that people all her life ask her why is she so sad and she hates it, because she does not feel like being sad, but then admitted being slightly depressed all her life, but mostly after the death of the spouse. Also this feeling of 'no one loves me' and no one would be able to love me, because I am what I am' turned me to aurum, but now I see, there are more remedies that have it.

Not feeling like 'common' mother, ex-partners told her she is more like a man than a woman, because of the dominance and so.
I am going to look up the carbon row.

Thank you a lot!
I am very appretiating your professional advices.
nat.
 
natalija123451 last decade
So her problem is Isolation from others? This is a start - what is the experience of that for her? She is isolated yet dependent? She loathes people? What is it about people she loathes?

Symbiotic relationships - is this her words? This is a very interesting image.

There is something there forming some kind of picture, but it needs to be explored more deeply.

She is dependent yet isolated - this is a strange paradox - I would explore that more too. The Natrums can have this. The Leprosy miasm can have very strong feelings of Isolation. Dependence can come up quite strongly in the Mammal remedies. Cicuta feels hatred for mankind, Hura feels isolated and forsaken by others. Hydrogen feels completely alone in the world. Nat-carb feels separate from the world.
 
brisbanehomoeopath last decade
Yes, one of the two major problems is feeling of isolation (by her own words - As I was alone in the world, disconected, islolated from the others, from life, that is flowing besides me, feeling that no one needs me and feeling that I would die from the grief of loneliness and disconection from life, love, etc.)
On the other hand there is deep dependence, cause by this fear of being abandoned, forsaken. She is dependent on her parents (whom she lives withs together with her daughter, she is aged 31) but also still on her partner, the father of the child, who she left when the child was half a year, because she felt that she is not able to hold all the responsibility of the family on her shoulders, considering the partner being too weak and feminine, too sensitive and vulerable to take care of himself, not of the family. She dependes on these people, terribly afraid of living on her own. What is strange because on the other hand she is very independent in opinions, feeling strong and brave, but when it comes to the theme living on her own, she becomes a small frightened child.

She told she thinks this experience of isolation and being forsaken comes from childhood (mother went to work when she was 6 months and was grown up by a grandmother busy with the farm and animals, not very much emotional). Than was feeling alone whole childhood, in school feeling of not being part of the group, an outsider, vulnerable, fear from school and in this time seeking for god (age 10) as someone to rely at, as some kind of protection and alternative parent. She was wearing religious symbols on herself and seeking an refuge for her tiny little soul :)

What is it in people she loathes?
This is a good question, I need to ask her. Can not imagine, what can it be, because on the other hand she craves society. Maybe it is her anger that they do not appreciate her, do not need her, do not see her, do not need her. Because when she knows, tht someone liked her without any criticism, she is completely inlove with this person (e.g. her father and the death ex spouse). She needs to be loved extremly, without any doubt. When the love from other to her is not like this, she devaluate them.

Symbiotic relationship: no, these words are mine, but as far I know, in all relationship she was desperately starving to about complete dissolvation in the other person, looking for too intense relationship, that no one was able to carry with her. She wanted a child very much and now I see, that her relationship with this child is very close and intense, but she says it is normal relationship of mother and child and that she wants to give the child everything she did not get, all the love she did not get and so she is giving 200% to the child (these are her words).

Told me she tried natrum muriaticum (with the idea of motherless child), but told that no reaction was evident.and also NM is quite closed and she is very sensitive and warm, when she gets to connection with her feelings.

I do not know Cicuta - have to look it up, of hura I thought already, will check, and hydrogen was also one of my ideas, but she does not like this victim pose, she is to proud for it, I think.
 
natalija123451 last decade
This feeling of isolation I explored:
why does she feel loathy towards people?
'They do no need me, do not appreciate, they are not interested in me, who is interested in someone who is not nice, pretty (she looks good in my point of view), not very sparkling and depressed all the time and sharp to people. Why would they (people) be interested in me? I have nothing to give them. I want to be with them, be the part of life river, but on the other hand I think, there is nothing they can give me, because everything is so flimsy, shalow, trivial.
I hate these conversations about nothing, I am interested in deeper things, but when I ask about it directly, people are ashamed. But I do not have time to talk about nothing. My time is valuable for me, I want to send it fully.' little chaotic, I see.
 
natalija123451 last decade
China has an aversion to shallow things.

So if they don't need her she hates them? That is a out-of-proportion reaction don't you think?

The image that sticks out most here is

'life river'

I would explore that more.

The isolation appears to only be an expression of the sense of abandonment, which would make Forsaken her main feeling - remedies like Chocolate also come to mind. I would look closely at that remedy.
 
brisbanehomoeopath last decade
Yes, aversion to shallow things and normal, routine life, desire to live in luxury, do not do all the daily things needed to be done around house, aversion in doing the same every day and be 'buried' in the house. ambition to live without any constrictions, be free.

'So if they don't need her she hates them? That is a out-of-proportion reaction don't you think? ' Well, there are more things going round I do not understand and I think she alone does not understand herself very much, being too much into herself..

There are still too many remedies about isolation, feeling of forsaken and so. The second most visible part of the problem is her agression and fury, anger.
She is aggressive, when things do not go as she wants to, when people do not do what they promised, when they annoy her with questions.

tarrent., hyosc., natrum - no obvious reaction in mental state

ignatia - worked when split up with a boyfriend, the grief was lowered

pullsatila - helped with bronchitis twice

aurum - helped when she had mastitis (40 degrees temp.) - recovered in one day after 5ch of aurum met.

going to look at the chocolate
nat.
 
natalija123451 last decade
HELLO everybody :)

Dear Brisbanehomeopath, or someone who studied Scholten: My question is: How would you differentiate among Aurum and Platinum from the point of view of scholten and his STAGES. I mean, how would you describe pl. and au. according to stages 10 and 11. What does it mean in Aurum his need to keep, conserve things and in Platinum that it is on the top? How can we see it in reality? Could you give me some examples of their inner state and its experiencing concrete stage?
Thanx a lot everyone!
Great day for you
nataly
 
natalija123451 9 years ago
hi Natalija,
Brisbane is not on forum at this time period - don't know if he
will be back. I hope someone else can answer your question.
 
simone717 9 years ago

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