Weakness due to excessive masturbation, Myth or Reality?

From a purely energetic point of view (I'm speaking of energetic as it applies to whether a person is strong from their inner core or weak), excessive masturbation can deplete what the Chinese refer to as "Jing." When one looks at it this way, it makes more sense. By the way, it's the same for excessive sexual activity.

I suppose one should define excessive. For some excessive is three or four times a day, every day. For others, their religious beliefs may believe that excessive = once a week or less.

When you are talking about excessive ejaculation (say more than twice a day, every day) you are really talking about losing or releasing one's vital essence. Think of the power you feel within the orgasm. This creates a massive energy output on your part, whether the act takes a few seconds or a minutes to achieve. While it relieves tension and relaxes, it also releases vital body fluids (ejaculate) that holds that all-important "Jing." In Chinese medicine, "Jing" is your essence and we were all born with our own finite amount of "Jing." Chronic illness, childbirth, excessive sexual activity, masturbation to the extreme, intake of drugs (both recreational and allopathic, stress and severe emotional/physical trauma all deplete "Jing." Once "Jing" is gone, we age rapidly and die. However, there are wonderful TONICS that help to enhance "Jing" and replenish lost fluids. These are known as Jing Restoratives. Herbs that fall into this category include but are not limited to the following: Dendrobium stem (relaces lost fluid...known as "Honeymooner's Tea"), Cordyceps (a fungus that enhances lung, sexual and overall physical power), deer antler (a strong primal Yang Jing primal essence known to strengthen the mind, sexual organs and calm the spirit), Ligustrum fruit (cools while feeding the blood), Schizandra (one of my favorites, this astringent berry nourishes the entire body and helps one adapt to stress like never before. It also encourages the vital fluids to replenish more quickly), Tribulus (use only the Bulgarian variety. It is anti-inflammatory and addresses sexual issues.)

While "Jing" can be depleted from excessive sexual activity with a partner, the act of sharing and being intimate with another person forms an electric bond that varies the energetic from the act of masturbation. Yes, if you have intercourse three or four times a day with a partner, you are also going to lose your vital essence. But the act of being with another tends to slightly charge up the body and create an added benefit of physical connection. Either way, I would always recommend renewing your system with Jing Restorative herbs, such as the ones I have mentioned. Someone mentioned a company on this Forum a while back called Dragon Herbs and I looked into them. I like their products and they take great care in where they get their herbs. So many Chinese herbs are treated and/or contaminated. I am queasy about buying from a road side store that sells Chinese herbs because of the contamination factor. I am happy I learned about Dragon Herbs company from this forum since they take the guesswork and concern out of buying good quality Chinese herbs and formulas. They have formulas called "Jing" and "Super Jing" so they might be a place to look.

It's a myth. A superstition, really. Masturbation is a natural and normal part of human behaviour, both male and female.

I think the worst that could happen would be a little dehydration, easily fixed with a big glass of water. :-)

The way the question was posed and the title of this thread, the poster used the word "Weakness" in regard to masturbation. As I've stated, yes, there can be a residual weakness of the inherant energetic core from prolonged ejaculation. The penis may also become so overly sensitive that there is premature ejaculation during intercourse simply because the "memory" of the body signals orgasm at one minute or under (depending upon how fast one ejaculates when masturbating).

No, I don't believe masturbation is a disease. Too many good people have been made to feel inadequate or as if something is wrong with them because they masturbate. There are so many powerful religous doctrines that create massive issues around masturbation that force the mind to either abstain out of guilt or over-masturbate to deal with emotional issues. All I know for sure is that release of body fluid via an energetic power reaction such as an orgasm can deplete the vital essence. I have observed MANY people in MANY walks of life. This includes drug addicts, prostitutes, sex addicts and those exposed to extreme emotional trauma. They ALL show a physical drain....hard to explain. There is an emptiness...until I studied Chinese medicine and had a word to put to it ("Jing") I could not explain or quantify what I was seeing. There are actors on TV who show this drained essence. Charlie Sheen is a good example. I did not know anything about this guy and then my wife told me he has had problems with sexual addiction and drugs. Michael Douglas is another example. Again, I knew zero about this man. But I still saw that empty visage and aura, if you like. Thanks again to my wife who keeps up with the entertainment headlines, apparently Mr. Douglas has had problems in the past of being a sexual addict (he supposedly had therapy to address this and was open about it.) I do not look for addicts and then see if the "drain" is there. I see the drain and then explore their life and addictions. So far, my observations have proven to be 100% accurate.

Without vitality (that is the best word here), there is no life, no reason to evolve, no reason to better oneself, no reason to engage in relationships....Vitality is the key and the flywheel, if you like, to projecting oneself into their higher self of potential.

So, somehow a discussion on masturbation arrives at projecting oneself into their higher self's potential. Isn't that fascinating?

Every human has an aura around him irrespective of personal behaviours/indulgences. How that aura has positive/negative effects on other individual is what describes the state of mind or the thought going on within one's own mind. Now masturbation to many would seem as natural, but so is sex as long as its not forced upon. Have we thought why we masturbate? There is some kind of feeling in the mind, a thought, at an instant that forces you to do that. Now would anyone as normal person say, that thought at that instance was good. I would definitely not say that one gets a good thought that forces one to masturbate. It might be exciting for an instant but if you look back at it, can you think it was good? Great minds and philosphers of all civilizations have regarded the powers of sexual energy as one which, if put to use in another area, will give immense success.
The problem today with Allopathic doctors again is that they treat the body and mind not as whole but separate from each other! And that is why they don't consider the thought behind the act of masturbating. They only think of it as a physical activity and loss of energy that can be recouped with some rest and diet!
As mentioned by Jim above, sexual energy is the one that gives vitality. But only if it used correctly!
Unfortunately, over the ages these things have existed and its only now that these acts are talked about in open forum. So its best left on oneself to decide whether or not the act of masturbating is natural? And does one consider the thoughts that lead to that physical act is the right thought that one would like to have in the mind all time, some time, fraction of a time, or NONE?
Rememeber the old saying...A man becometh what he thinketh.

Okay. Let's put it this way: if excessive masturbation drains your vital esssence and affects your overall vitality in general, then it should follow that one would feel loss of concentration, a weak memory, etc. On an emotional level, if a guy is secretly masturbating (and let's face it, it's usually not done in public in full view of others), there is a sense of shame that can come with it. Add onto that the religious guilt and possible family or cultural stigmas and you've got a guy who got low self-esteem and low self-confidence. I'm not about to say whether I think masturbation is "good" or "bad." I don't think it's my place to make that assessment. Healthy? Once again, if it's done every now and again to relieve tension (if you are single or if your wife is unable to have relations with you for reasons of later pregnancy or illness), then I think it's fine to release the tension. But to do it in excess, as I've stated above, WILL rob you of vital energetic essences.

The only problem with masturbation is psycological.

While masturbating, when do you reach the orgasm? When you imagine that your partner also is nearing orgasm, and you imagine her words, acts in such a situation, and you have your orgasm. Right?

Now, the problem is ,when you are actually with your partner, you can hold long, in fact, may be longer than a person, who doesn't masturbate, but, the problem is in the final moments. When your partner, is about reach the orgasm, you will observe the signs and as your mind is conditioned, as a result of masturbation, you can't hold any longer, and you finish off, leaving your partner dissatisfied.

This is the real problem with masturbation. If you know, some techniques, on how to control yourself, during those final moments, you don't have to worry about masturbation.

Try to keep your mind and all the senses away from your partner. Do some maths mentally, or imagine you are talking with your friends on some mundane matters.Anything, which will keep your mind away.

The goal should be to let her reach the orgasm first. Then you can relax and finish off.

Murthy

interesting reading on this thread.
It seems possible that most of the ideas about exhaustion (energetic or otherwise) from masturbation may have their origins in religious beliefs or lifestyle beliefs. Whilst I respect individuals who follow these beliefs and respect their beliefs I still have difficulty in believing myself.
If anything is taken to excess - be it food, exercise, masturbation, computer forum participation (!!) then it can interfere with ones energies and ability to function happily in life. Perhaps herein lies the key?

Hi all,

Nevermind the religeous / spiritual / Jing / aura aspect, it is a fact that men usually fall asleep after masturbation or sex.

If, for whatever reason, a man has to stay awake, he can expect to be tired and weak.

This from the Daily Mail:

Yesterday scientists explained exactly why it is that men have a tendency to nod off after making love. Apparently, it's nothing to do with wanting to avoid a cosy chat with their partner. According to the scientists, they are simply tired out.

'As frustrating as it is for most women that their male partners just roll over and fall asleep after sex, men aren't entirely to blame,' said Dr Neil Stanley, director of sleep at the University of Surrey. . . 'The blood rush after climax depletes the muscles of energy-producing glycogen, leaving men feeling physically drained. 'Because they have more muscle mass than women, men become tired after sex and this subsequently leads to them feeling sleepy.'

Eighty per cent of men said they felt more relaxed and were able to drift off without any problems after making love, compared with 46 per cent of women. They were among 10,000 adults surveyed by organisers of The Vitality Show, Europe's largest health and beauty exhibition.

Excessive masturbation can drain your energy not only mentally but physically as well........Except allopathic medicine (which is comparatively very young), every other medical treatment(homeopathy, ayurvedic, chinese, unani) are strictly against masturbation.....on top of that all the worlds popular religions are deadly against masturbation
I am sure all these learned philosophers, prophets and medicine men are not crazy, and there is some truth to the fact that "long and excessive masturbation (male/female) can harm you physically and mentally both.
I also believe that every person in this world indulges in masturbation atleast once in his/her lifetime.....as long as these indulges are kept in check less harm is done.
And nothing can replace an orgasmic union of a specie.....a very spiritual/physical phenomena

So guys/gal stop masturbating.... and enjoy lovemaking with your partner if you have one, other wise arrange a partner

regards

sazim

homeopathy is not against masturbation! if symptoms arise because of masturbation and this disturbs the patient's energy or economy then this is considered a symptom in the treatment by a homeopath. But no homeopath is a judge or jury on what one does in ones own private space or elsewhere!

Jim Sheldon ND,

Can you measure Jing? I assume since, as you said, it is from the Chinese, it would be a very old discovery. And because it is a very old discovery, its detection and measurement would be trivial, or at least possible. Seems strange that I have never heard of it, nor are there any instruments that I am aware of that can measure it.

How much Jing do each of us have at birth? When do we know we are out of it? And why does eating Deer antler restore it? according to you, we are born with a finite amount of it and when it's gone, we die.

I think i'd be rich if i could only extract the Jing from the deer antler and sell it to overcome death.

You don't think that after sex, or masterbation one can regain energy by sleeping? or eating? that's how I usually regain energy when tired; either due to work, taking care of my children, partying, or having sex.

I suggest a long nap and maybe a caffinated drink to restore your Jing after masterbating.

I didn't make up the idea of Jing or Qi or Shen that have been part of the Chinese method for centuries. Did I say that using Jing restoratives could help one overcome death? I think not.

If you want learn more about these energy essences, I suggest you read about them in any text on Chinese medicine. Also, I sense a definite sarcasm to your post. That's fine if you wish to make light of essence energetics. But to offer the advice of a caffeine drink and a long lap to restore Jing after masturbating is rather insulting to anyone with an understanding of how energetics in the body works.

Hi...I'm not entirely sure on the weakness part of it. I havent particularly experienced much weakness nor drowsiness or loss of memory.

When I was about 14 or 15 I did experience bone pains in my legs and I was slouching etc, which was fixed by Vitamin D shots.

However my hair has been thinning very significantly...there is no history of baldness in my family. My father has his as does my grandfather!!!! So I cant afford to lose mine at 19!!

I am certain this is related to excessive masturbation. I am trying to quit the habit altogether now...just like any other addiction. I am taking Acid Phos 30 to help with the hair but I dont know if that will work.

ANY help will be appreciated.

Thanks.

This is a very educational thread thanks all,
salty

Take Selenium 30 one dose everyday for a week and see if it checks your hair loss. If yes come back on this forum.

Rajiv

Thanks for your reply...I would take Selenium 30 as you say...but everybody says that you shouldnt interrupt the current remedy in between ie. I should continue to take acid phos 30 for atleast another 2-3 weeks before checking.

Also I think my hairloss itself has been reduced....though this may just be wishful thinking. I dont see as much hair on my pillow...but when I shampoo I lose a lot. Like 20 hairs if I'm rough and then some more if I comb my hair. So I'm very careful while shampooing.

I'm not sure right now...do you think I should stop the acid phos and start on selenium? Will neither of them work then?

Thanks.

Thanks for your reply...I would take Selenium 30 as you say...but everybody says that you shouldnt interrupt the current remedy in between ie. I should continue to take acid phos 30 for atleast another 2-3 weeks before checking.

Also I think my hairloss itself has been reduced....though this may just be wishful thinking. I dont see as much hair on my pillow...but when I shampoo I lose a lot. Like 20 hairs if I'm rough and then some more if I comb my hair. So I'm very careful while shampooing.

I'm not sure right now...do you think I should stop the acid phos and start on selenium? Will neither of them work then?

Thanks.

If Acid Phos is helping you there is no point in changing the remedy.But if you decide to change the remedy or are unsatisfied with Acid Phos. then try out Selenium.In most cases of rapid hairloss where masturbation is a suspected cause, Selenium helps.

Rajiv

Sorry. I meant 'excessive masturbation'.I don't want people jumping on to me for saying something against masturbation.I am just stating my experience with treating results of excessive masturbation.People who show signs of weakness after masturbation, sleepiness during the daytime, blue rings under the eyes, troubles in the urinary apparatus,rapidly falling hairs and indulge in masturbation excessively, may need Selenium. They should also look for Selenium supplements in their food. Milk is one of the richest sources of Selenium.Selenium is one of the essential nutrients for healthy hair.

Rajiv

Excessive masturbation is not healthy, and relates to an anxiety problem. Men that do this usually have emotional issues that they are suppressing, and use masturbation as a release of tension. I think the constant thoughts that accompany masturbation are unhealthy for your self esteem. Sexual thinking all the time is a negative and unhealthy practise. You also project on to others and sensitive people can sense something is a miss and will avoid your presence. The hair loss is related to an increased level of testosterone, so whatever remedy can help that would helpful. I dont know what it would be as i'm not a natropath, unfortunately!

Excessive masturbation is not healthy, and relates to an anxiety problem. Men that do this usually have emotional issues that they are suppressing, and use masturbation as a release of tension. I think the constant thoughts that accompany masturbation are unhealthy for your self esteem. Sexual thinking all the time is a negative and unhealthy practise. You also project on to others and sensitive people can sense something is a miss and will avoid your presence. The hair loss is related to an increased level of testosterone, so whatever remedy can help that would helpful. I dont know what it would be as i'm not a natropath, unfortunately!

Hello, I've been feeling wipedout and tired a lot recently. I had blood tests a few months ago and was told that my Thyroid function was low, but it wasn't Thyroidism. The doctor told me on a chart of what is normal, my Thyroid function is the lowest of what's normal.
When I masturbate I do feel weak for quite some time. I left it for about 5 days and then masturbated, it drained me. If I do anything physical I feel drained/wipedout. I guess that masturbating does drain a person, but considering most are healthy they won't notice it. I don't even feel good when having an orgasm and it drains me.
I came here and was looking for information because I feel that I have a problem and I'm becoming concerned.
Any feedback would be appreciated.

Hello, I've been feeling wipedout and tired a lot recently. I had blood tests a few months ago and was told that my Thyroid function was low, but it wasn't Thyroidism. The doctor told me on a chart of what is normal, my Thyroid function is the lowest of what's normal.
When I masturbate I do feel weak for quite some time. I left it for about 5 days and then masturbated, it drained me. If I do anything physical I feel drained/wipedout. I guess that masturbating does drain a person, but considering most are healthy they won't notice it. I don't even feel good when having an orgasm and it drains me.
I came here and was looking for information because I feel that I have a problem and I'm becoming concerned.
Any feedback would be appreciated.
Sorry for double posting.

Hi

I fully understand your problem. I am 30 yrs old and after masturbation I feel & look tired/exhausted. I can often sleep for hours and lack concentration. This tends to pass after a few days. I am guessing that this is a fairly uncommon complaint, as there doesn't seem to be much about it on the net. Also, my doctor wasn't aware of such a problem. If anyone has any advice - pls post a response.