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Hi

I fully understand your problem. I am 30 yrs old and after masturbation I feel & look tired/exhausted. I can often sleep for hours and lack concentration. This tends to pass after a few days. I am guessing that this is a fairly uncommon complaint, as there doesn't seem to be much about it on the net. Also, my doctor wasn't aware of such a problem. If anyone has any advice - pls post a response.
 
Mr fedup last decade
I have the same problem.
Dopamine is the key of the problem but we don't know how to cure.
 
B_Jim last decade
Look my profil for sexual exhaustion site.
 
B_Jim last decade
I can tell you that it is NOT a myth. I have been experiencing the serious health affects for the last 5 years. I tried Lycopodium and it actually made my symptoms worse!
 
Frank O last decade
under eye dark ciecles



Re: under eye dark ciecles From gavinimurthy on 2006-11-23
To start with please read

Dr.luc's article on psudo homeopathy' thread.

It is available on the main page of the forum.

Murthy
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Re: under eye dark ciecles From usman_mohdd on 2007-03-18
Hi ,
I am taking plumbum met 10 for almost 1 mth 4 times a day as suggested by a experienced homeopath. The effect were there in the begening but its very slow. Can some one please suggest the difference between dark circles and hyper pigmentation.
I have read here that cina 30 is good and result are fast. Shuld i take any other medicine so show faster effect. what is ur feed back o hylexin cream used for severe dark circles.
plz suggest
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Re: under eye dark ciecles From gavinimurthy on 2007-03-19
face, discoloration, eyes, around : Nit-ac.(grade 2), nux-v.(gr.1), spig(gr.1).

Read about these remedies and see whichone fits you.

Murthy
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Re: under eye dark ciecles From lazynewt on 2007-03-21
usman i have the exact same symptoms as you. Please please keep in touch and let me know if you have any answers that might help me and in turn i will do the same. i would like to get in contact with you through email if possible but am not allowed to do so through this message board unless and admin permits me. anyway My eye problem also came on after working in an office for 1.5 years with air con. Up until then it was fine. I also took antibiotics which i though may be a possible cause. Did you take any medicine or do you currently ? also have recently started developing an itching of my eyelids but this may be due to another condition i think i have ( blepharitis). For my darc circles which i too think is hyper pigmentation i am persuing lazer surgery or possible peels etc. The other side of this if it is not actually hyper pigmentation but thining of the skin causing the underlying veins to show through, is that a treatment such as fillers or such may be an option. I have done alot and i mean alot of research trying to sort my condition out and will gladly share everything i have researched with you and hope you will do the same. I take comofort in knowing im not alone on this matter and hopefully between us we can beat this. regards Lazynewt.
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Re: under eye dark ciecles From usman_mohdd on 2007-03-21
Hi Lazynewt,
U can email me on usman_mohdd rediffmail
I will share the details tru mail and at the same time try and get some help on this forum.
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Re: under eye dark ciecles From usman_mohdd on 2007-03-21
Dear Gavini,
CAn u plz elaborate on the medicines..all of these or any one of these?
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Re: under eye dark ciecles From Sweet_Lemon on 2007-05-30
To All readers, there is no link of dark / black circles under eyes or dark/black bags under or around eyes because of excessive masturbation. How many times u masturbate male or female, will not cause u any harm. Ur body makes siemen ( males )every day, females get excitement and internal vaginal ejaculation. Its same as if couples are masturbating each other i.e. male gets rub by woman and woman gets fingered / dildo etc by man. U can do this foreplay with each other 20 times a day more or less. What if u don't have partners and u doing it urself ? Does this makes any difference ? Ur body gets excited by rubbing and playing with ur hands, either urs or ur partner. Ur sex organs don't know whos hands are touching them. But, problem starts if u are masturbating because u r not getting sexual relief by having sex or u masturbate right after u get stressed either by loosing job, get insulted by ur boss, friend, neighbor, not getting good grades in studies, people make fun of u, laugh at u, u see urself complete failure, u believe in others more than urself, u don't have many girlfriends and u hear or see others have many friends ( especially girls and in girls case they see other girls are getting married and have many boy friends ), u r afraid of talking abt urself in front of others, etc, etc, etc. I have done research with males and females in US, we made them masturbate every day, some masturbated more than 8 times a day, some did 1 to 4 times a day. They masturbated like this till 1 year ( they masturbated in our research facility ), no black/dark circles and bags popped up under or around their eyes. Their sex organs were not out of shape, no penis reduction, no hairy hands, acne, vision problems, etc. I was a part of research too. There are people who go everyday and donate their siemen in siemen banks,they get paid for donating. They masturbate and cum inside the cup, and hospitals keep their siemen. None of them get circles and bags under eyes. Answer some questions Yes or No. R u masturbating bcuz u want to have sex ? Do u masturbate when u look pics of girls u feel like they are looking at u, smiling at u, talking to u? these pics do not necessarily have to be nude pics. U have dark circles and u r afraid talking to girls bcuz u wonder what if she smiles at u and she is laughing at u in her mind bcuz she believes u masturbate ? R u masturbating bcuz u hate urself ? U see other doing good in their lives and u don't ?
 
Sweet_Lemon last decade
There seems to be a lot of Confusion going on this, Let me Clear up....

Firstly, Its a PURE MYTH.
Secondly, Meaturbation or SEX is a mystical compination of Phychological, Physical and Internal Body processes (Eg Hormones).

Simply say, Anything requires energy to get going. As far as sex is consened, Its quite a strainous job. Some people say it works as a good Cardio workout too ! Lol!

So that enevergy depletion is what you feel as 'Tired' 'Sleepy' Or 'Dizzy' etc...But otherwise its all perfectly natural.
 
Mr.Sparks last decade
Mr Sparks, :)

I am conscious that there a lot of charlatans trying to give non-scientific informations on this subject for money, selling stupid remedies, or religious ideas.

But in other side, you can find on internet some guys saying they suffer of tiredness after ejaculation. Do you think we are liars ? Do you really think so ? I can tell you i'm not a liar and i don't have something to sell : i just search how to cure this rare problem.

I'm conscious too that it's not a specific problem or a 'disease'. But it's clearly a dysfunction or a weakness of our nervous system or hormonal system.
Do you really these systems are not implicated in orgasm ?
Scientific studies show that orgasm start a release serotonin, prolactin, NO and norepiphrenine (maybe much other ones).
We there is a dysfunction, maybe an excessive norepiphrenine release.

Like majority of men, are you tired for some hours after sex ? You must accept that some guys are tired for 3 or 4 days. That's a reality and it's a big problem for us.

I don't know how to cure the problem. If a scientific or doctor has an idea or a theory, i'm very very interested and motivated.
 
B_Jim last decade
Please forgive me if I missed to elaborate it enough...

I DO agree with the tiredness thning after masturbation!
And i made a very simple that works well. Sex is quite a task. YOure respiratory rate rises, Heart rate bumps up to 150 or higher, Even the blood pressure is way above 140 (remember the blushing?)

Increasing blood flow to penis aranges for an erection. As don't forget the heat generated !

Actually its all like a 3 day morning workout at once....

And this WON'T come free.... Energy is the cost we need to pay!
 
Mr.Sparks last decade
I think you don't understand that the tirdeness we have is very different of tiredness after sex for a normal guy. The problem is more the disbalance of neurotransmitter/hormons we have than the cost of energy itself.
Some sportsmen says they have a little cost of energy day after sex. But it is not clear and few measurable. For us the lost of energy is amazing.
 
B_Jim last decade
Hello Jim Sheldon ND,

I would like to give up my masturbation habit and also want to buy some chinese medicine as you mentioned earlier in this post. Please help me and let me know, where and how can i buy those products online.

thank you so much
 
samaim last decade
weakness is not physical but it is mental weakness as the person always wants solitude for this purpose and secondly always indulge in sexual thoughts .further you get used to hard working with your hand and later on you suffer from early disacharge problem because of this normal act with opposite sex for which you are not used to .it is the same when you start visiting red light areas and then you donot enjoy with your wife .the danage is more psycologicaj rather physical.
 
akshaymohl last decade
Agree it's mental and not physical tiredness.
Disagree it's physiological and NOT psycholigical.

Sexual activities are linked to nervous system. Some guys with a weaker nervous systems functions can have problems with sex.

Marcel Waldinger's Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrom (POIS)refers to a specific flu-like state after orgasm. But we can call our problem Post Orgasmic Cognitive Symptoms (POCS ? :) ). After geting about 40 cases of pocs , some symptoms are often reported :

- 3/4 days average
- severe tiredness
- Cognitive symptoms : lack of concentration, disturbances of conscience, maybe confusion/derealization.
 
B_Jim last decade
First of all...anyone who thinks it is a myth is on the wrong forum. I suggest you look into the Materia Medica for Staphysagria, Selenium, Agnus Castus and a few others.

Here is an excerpt from Agnus Castus

'Especially useful in premature old age, which arises in young persons from abuse of sexual powers, marked by melancholy, apathy, mental distraction, self-contempt, general debility, frequent loss of the spermatic fluid.'

Second....it is not just mental fatigue. Fatigue is fatigue. My legs are so weak I can barely walk up the stairs.

I masturbated everyday for 16 years before I started to have problems. For those who think it is a myth, try masturbating several times per day and see what happens in a few years.
 
Frank O last decade
I do and always did masturbation for 1~2 times daily!

My 'score' is 9 times a day.

Better believe it...No problems yet
 
Mr.Sparks last decade
Mr Sparks,

How old are you and how long have you been masturbating 1-2 times per day?

As I stated, I did it once a day for 16 years starting at age 20, and continued at once per day until I started to have problems at age 36. Before 20, I probably did is a couple of times per week.

Anyway, at 35 (after about 13 years), if someone had told me about this, I would NOT have believed them.

But starting at 36, I started to get libido problems, then muscle loss, the hair loss, anxiety, groin pain, shrunken penis, eye floaters, tinnitus, sleep problems, sore joints, light sensitivity, shortness of breath, skin problems, headaches and a few more problems.

There is actually a forum recover.forumup .org that is specifically dedicated to guys who have these symptoms and for the same reasons. Most are very young. Some started masturbating to porn at age 12 and started to get these symptoms at age 16. It seems the younger people start, the shorter amount of time it takes.

Traditional Chinese Medicine has know about this for a few thousand years. I went to see a practitioner of TCM a couple of years ago and she even mentioned many of the same symptoms. However, here herbs only helped a little.

Back in the 19th century, the Neurologist George M Beard noticed a pattern of symptoms, studied it and published a book called 'Sexual Neurasthenia'. The symptoms are the same.

Point is.....depending on your age, you can get away with it for a LONG time. But it will catch up to you

I wish it wasn't true, but it is. The surge of hormones and neurotransmitters at orgasm eventually take a toll.
 
Frank O last decade
HI Frank O,

Please help me, I have been masturbating for 12 years for at least twice a day and I now I want to stop that behavior. I have ordered LoVELONGER III and waiting for the result. Tell me, how can i get my energy back and please tell me whether that medicine help me better. Thanks for your advice
 
samaim last decade
Samiam,

I've tried LoveLonger and some of the other products from Dr.Lin. They helped me for a while. They are basically stimulants and precursors to neurotransmitters. Despite what they say on the herballove. com, these products are NOT a cure. You might get temporary relief.

Check out the site recover.forumup. org. It is nice to talk with many others who have the same problem. Lord knows you can't talk to anyone else about it. There is also a lot to learn on that forum. There are many guys doing a lot of research.

I haven't gotten to bottom of it yet. I've spent a lot of money on testing and adrenal fatigue is a big part of it.

As far as homeopathy, I tried many of the remedies for sexual exhaustion (Lyco, Staphysagria, Selenium, Agnus Castus and a few others). I can honestly say that some of them gave me quick short term boost, but ultimately made me worse. It's almost like they instructed already weak organs to produce the required hormones and neurotransmitter and therefore made me even more exhausted.

I'm going to see a holistic MD who practices orthomolecular medicine and is familiar with adrenal fatigue, as well as neurotransmitter deficiencies.
 
Frank O last decade
Hi Frank O,
so you meant to say, I can't get back the lost energy. could you please give me the exact link of that forum.
well, I want to marry next year, can i make my wife happy and make her pregnant?
please help me
 
samaim last decade
Dear Frank O,
Pardon me, i was not aware of your age at all...

I started mastubating at puberity, and i am 19 now...
So you are already WAY AHED of what I am..

Hope you feel well soon!
Good luck!
 
Mr.Sparks last decade
Samiam,
I can't post the exact link. This forum won't let you post link. I'll put in a few spaces. But from the text below, you should be able to Google and find the forum.

http://recover.forumup.org/

I can't answer your questions on whether or not you'll recover. I'm still trying to recover myself.

Mr Sparks,
Please look into this a little more for your own good. Check out the forum and some of the other info I posted. Seeing as you started at puberty, it might not take you 16 years to develop problems. I wasn't warned. But you know about it. So please look into it and slow down a little before you ruin your life.

As I noted above, most of the guys on the forum are in the late teens or early 20's.
 
Frank O last decade
Dear Frank O,
Thanks for your reply. but can i marry soon or I need to wait for some time to get my energy back to make my pregnant.
thanks so much and please provide your email and i'll ask you some questions abt that
thank you again so much
 
samaim last decade
Mr Frank!
Thanks for the advice!

I am already holding back a bit..
I've cut down the frequency from daily to about 2~3 times a week, an it feels great!
Even the orgasms are damm strong when we hold back!

Prevention is better than cure !!
 
Mr.Sparks last decade
Samiam,

I can't answer if you can marry or not. I'd rather not provide my email address. Go to the forum and there is lots of information to read from guys with this problem.
 
Frank O last decade
Dear Frank,
you really made me afraid by saying that. I always that I can atleast make her pregnant. but I don't know now. anyway, I try to see the forum.
I hope it will help me.
let me, what should be the first thing to get my energy back.
what are the things you did to stop masturbating
please help
 
samaim last decade
1st of all, get a porn filter and give someone else the password.

Buddhism is helping me build my mind to avoid masturbation.

As soon as you get an urge, you need to focus your mind on the damage it does to your body....rather than focus on the short term dopamine rush and the pleasure that comes with it.
 
Frank O last decade
HI EVERYONE

I have suffered with this and still do to some degree.

I have done 3 or so years of trials to cure my problems. I have found diet to be of paramount importance when recovering from excessive masturbation.

When you over ejaculate the immune system is compromised and the bacteria in the gut is invaded with harmful bacteria which means the body can no longer absorb what it needs to repair, so the more you do it the worse it gets. If you have a fluctuating appetite or constipation or runny stool, chances are this has happened. It did to me anyway.

Without a properly functioning digestive system you cannot heal effectively.

Ensure adequate high quality protein intake this is important for the production of depleted neurotransmitters and repair of things I probably don't know about.

The stress and panic attacks can stem from B vitamin deficiencies due to missing gut flora.

Here is what worked for me:

Take a good quality zinc supplement before bed alongside a digestive enzyme supplement.

Supplement a protein powder, pea protein is good as it is rich in arginine and glutamic acid.

Take a high quality multi strain probiotic to enable you to digest food

Take digestive enzymes with each meal to assimilate food - Muscles waste because they are starving!

Before all of that see an excellent homeopath to find out why you over did things in the first place.

STAY AWAY FROM DR. LIN AND ACTION LOVE / HERBAL LOVE COM. The man is NOT a doctor and prescribes herbs with a willy nilly attitude to anyone who will pay for them. I spent £300 with him and none of it worked.
 
Joshb0y last decade

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