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Case for David Kempson - son waking up hungry at night

I took this questionnaire from one of your child cases that I came across. Hopefully you have some time to add this case to your queue! Let me know if you have any questions.

Questionnaire for Nico, 17 months old.

1. Describe in detail the main problem - appearance, colour, shape etc. What happens, when it happens etc.
His main problem is that he's still waking at night to nurse. We have cut him down to every 4 hours, and we still have to push for that. There is some time every night where he wakes up before 4 hours and cries, wanting to be fed, and we just sit by his crib until he falls back asleep. When I do nurse him, every 4 hours, he eats like he's starving!

2. Describe any pains or behaviours associated with the symptoms.
He throws fits in his crib when he doesn't get milk. He signs 'milk' over and over, crying, sometimes screaming, reaching through the crib for us. We try to give him his binky but he knocks it out of our hands. If we do get it into his mouth, he grabs it from his mouth and throws it out of the crib. If we put binkies into the crib, he grabs them and throws them out. When we pick him up or try to rub his back or something, he screams and thrashes even harder.

3. Describe anything that makes the problem worse ie. position, temperature, food etc.
When it's me that sits by the crib instead of my husband, he seems to have a harder time of it. When we try to console him, he gets worse. If he doesn't eat enough food during the day, it seems to make it worse.

4. Describe anything that makes the problem better ie. pain is better for cold bathing or at night in bed.
When I nurse him, he is much better and is then able to fall asleep.

5. Go through each symptom or problem he has, doing the same thing, even if the problem does not seem connected to any others.

-- He is 17 months old and is still not saying any words. He has his own 'language', and he repeats the same sounds for everything. He does do sign language. I've noticed that if he has long stretches of sleep at night, the next day he seems much more 'smart'. When we first started sleep-coaching him, I noticed a dramatic increase in his understanding of baby sign language. This was when he started signing. Up until that point he had not understood or caught on to what we were doing with our hands. But after a few nights of good sleep, it just exploded. This was when he was about a year old.

-- He cannot tolerate milk. When he drinks milk, he gets very very hyper almost instantly. He is much more of a handful, throws more fits, doesn't sleep as well and is very whiny. The same thing happens if we give him too much yogurt, cheese, or ghee.

6. When did each problem start? What happened around that same time?
He has never slept through the night. His longest stretch has been 6 hours, maybe 3 times in his life. The 6 hour stretches happened after we started sleep coaching him at 11 months.

He has never tolerated milk. I've tried on several occasions.

7. What is his character like? What kinds of fears or anxieties does he have? What makes her irritable? Flesh out his personality as much as you are able (age can make this difficult)
He is a sweet boy, who is just starting to learn how to throw tantrums when he doesn't get his way. He loves to observe people and loves to be around other people. When I let him walk around at the mall or at a park, he will follow people or stand and stare at a particular person for a very long time. He loves other children and will stare at them the most. He loves being around children and playing with them, it makes him very excited and happy. He's been overstimulated only a few times by activity. But, we aren't very active people to begin with and spend a lot of time at home.

After I nurse him, and at other times if he is feeling snuggly, he likes to rub his head on my face. He pushes his forehead into my face and rubs it all around. He'll slobber on my face ('kisses'), and push my head up so that my chin is poking out so that he can rub his forehead and eyes and face all over my chin. Also when he is sleeping he likes to push his head up against the crib bumper. He also sleeps with his arms up by his head. When he was in utero, he was always very very low into my pelvis, his head was being continually cradled and pushed against. When getting ultrasounds, we could see him down there, and when checking his position later in pregnancy they told me he was at a +1 station. If you know what that means, 0 means he is in the pelvis ready to start labor. +1 means he is even further down, it goes all the way to +4 which means he has been born. So he was at a +1 station, but I wasn't in labor or dilated at all, that's just where he hung out!

He does not like the vacuum cleaner, he will cry if we turn it on and we're not holding him. He whimpers when we bring it out of the closet.

He seems to be very precise, in that he likes to put his fingers on nails that are on the wall, or put them on any knobby thing. He puts his fingers in the center of wheels on his toy cars.

He takes one nap during the day of about 1 1/2 - 3 hours long. He has no trouble with naps.

8. What foods does he crave or hate? What drinks does he crave or hate? Is he sensitive to anything he eats or drinks? How does he feed?
He loves bananas and cheese. He is constantly signing 'banana' because he wants to eat them. He also really enjoys pesto soup, the meatballs in it and the broth. We eat scrambled eggs for breakfast every morning, he loves those if there is parmesan cheese on it. He loves avocados and he eats coconut oil by the spoonful. We open up the coconut oil container and I give him a spoon and I have my own spoon and we just eat it.

9. How does the weather or season or temperature affect him?
When he is cold he signs for 'coat'. He's only done that a few times. He doesn't care if it's freezing outside, he still wants to go. We recently had a thunderstorm/hail storm and we were in the car. I was freaked out, as usual, but Nico was fine, just looking out the window. The hail was SO loud, too!

10. How have all his milestones gone? Does she have any issue with speaking, learning, walking, climbing etc
He has been behind the curve on all his milestones. He learned to walk at 13 months, is not yet speaking, has just recently started climbing. Some days he seems to learn stuff really well, some days he just doesn't catch on to anything. Also sometimes when he learns something, he'll have forgotten the next day.

11. How is he with socializing with others?
He loves socializing with others. He loves to be around people and children.

12. What is his bowel habit like? Any problems? Any odours, strange colours or stool shapes?
He had green slimy poop up until a year old. I gave him 2 doses of Sulphur 30c and he finally had his first solid poop after this. Now he has solid poop. He'll have poop days, where I'm changing his diaper 3 or 4 times in one day because of poop. Maybe every other day or every 2 days he will have a poop day. His poop is usually dark brown, solid, in pebbles. There's usually some lighter splotches, and sometimes there's undigested food in them. He sometimes has softer poop which is medium brown in color.

13. Where does he sweat? Does it have a smell or does it stain a particular colour?
When he wears a hat, his head will sweat. Other than that I haven't noticed any sweating anywhere!

14. History of illnesses in his life?
He has had 5 colds in his life, one flu, and a couple of times with random high fevers with no other symptom but tiredness. He also had Roseola a few months ago.

15. Has he reacted to any vaccines or medical drugs?
He is not vaccinated at this time. Has had no medical drugs. I gave him ibuprofen once and he vomited it back up.

16. Problems with sleep? Position he sleeps in?
He still wakes every 3 or 4 hours at night to nurse. When I put him in his crib he rolls right over to his stomach, and sticks his butt into the air with his legs tucked underneath his bum. His arms are always up and by his head.

17. How is he with animals?
He loves animals! Dogs and cats. He talks to them and pets them.

18. How is he with adults or strangers?
He is fine with both. I answered our door once to a neighbor that Nico had never met before and he reached out to her from my arms, wanting her to hold him.

19. What is the family history of illness and disease?
I grew up with ear infections and antibiotics. There is a lot of heart disease and high blood pressure and cholesterol in this family. Some diabetes, and I have a few cousins with autism and bipolar disorder. A few of my brothers suffer from depression and anxiety, there is some mental stuff on my mom's side (OCD, depression, paranoia).

20. What was the pregnancy like? Any odd symptoms or feelings that disappeared once he was born?
I was on Zofran the entire pregnancy to handle the nausea. I was also on Zoloft the entire pregnancy to handle depression and panic attacks. I had contractions from 22 weeks, was in the hospital a few times to control them. I had really bad panic attacks in late pregnancy. I was on antibiotics for a vaginal infection once during pregnancy, and was on antibiotics during labor for Group B Strep. The nausea stopped the instant Nico was born.

I don't feel like I bonded with him right away. I was a very irritable and depressed mum for a while.

My previous homeopath prescribed him Calc Carb 200c. 4 doses in one day, every 2 weeks for 8 weeks. She also told me I could give him Chamomilla 200c for his teething. The Calc Carb did nothing for helping him sleep through the night. The Chamomilla did help his teething fussiness. He does have a large head, it was always in the 95th percentile, I think that's why she prescribed Calc Carb.
  joannadarling on 2012-01-03
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David - are you able to take this case?
joannadarling last decade
Very very interesting case. This is an unusual one, not an easy one I think.

Can you give me your impressions about what is happening for him around speech?

Talk about more about 'stimulation' in regards to him.

Describe more on 'hyper'. Is it only cow's milk that does this?

Describe him when he is staring at someone.

Is it only milk he wants at night, no other kind of food?
brisbanehomoeopath last decade
Thank you for taking this case, David. I realize I probably should have just been more patient, but I wasn't sure if you had seen that this was here waiting for you. Oh and tonight was a terrible night for Nico! So thank you again.

Can you give me your impressions about what is happening for him around speech?
Here's a youtube video showing him and his own language, and how he repeats the same sounds when he is talking.

I get the impression that it doesn't even occur to him that he could possibly make the sounds we're making. There's no interest there, and until he decides that he wants to try, he's just not going to do it. I also get the impression that eventually this WILL happen, but it's going to be on his timeline, and right now it's not even in his sights.

Talk about more about 'stimulation' in regards to him.
The few times he has gotten overstimulated, it's like he just can't stop doing what he's doing, like he is addicted to it, and screams when we take him away from it. For example when we went to the mall shortly before Christmas and it was very busy, he was starting to get fussy and presumably hungry and tired, but he wouldn't take any food. He was too interested in what was going on around him to nurse. I recognized the overstimulation and so we started to leave the mall and that is when he got angry. He was upset that I was picking him up, upset that I was controlling where he was going, upset that he was being taken away from the mall.

Describe more on 'hyper'. Is it only cow's milk that does this?
Cow's milk and anything made from it. I haven't noticed this happening with anything else. Both me and my husband can't tolerate gluten, so we haven't given him gluten at all. We also eat a grain free diet at the moment, so he doesn't get any grains. I get the feeling that he is sensitive to a lot of the foods he has not yet eaten. When I gave him a taste of pumpkin pie at Thanksgiving, his stool was much softer, almost diarrhea.

I gave him coconut milk the other day for the first time, and he spiked a fever and had softer stool.

About 'hyper', he talks more, using his language, and is much more likely to get overstimulated. He wants to be running around doing things, so if we stay home like we usually do, he whines to go outside and in general is NOT happy about anything that we do. He wants me to be involved in everything he's doing, wants me to sit there next to him while he plays with toys (to some degree this is normal, but is much more pronounced after he's had dairy). Maybe he is more whiny because he doesn't feel good from the milk, that is possible.

Describe him when he is staring at someone.
He forgets to move, squints his eyes a little, and just stares. He smiles at times, too. He moves slowly and is not easily distracted from looking. If you have time, you can fast forward to 3:02 or abouts in the following video, and you'll see him as he's watching kids play on the playground. He seems oblivious to us. And the video is deceptive in how long he does this for. We literally sat there for 10 minutes while he stared at the kids playing, before he went and tried to go over there.


Is it only milk he wants at night, no other kind of food?
Yes, we've tried giving him actual food or giving him breast milk in a bottle, he wants breast milk straight from me.

If he wakes up without his binky in his mouth, it can start a scream fest. He just seems to enjoy throwing fits at night. Tonight he was a bear to put down, he didn't want to go to sleep and he's signing all sorts of things trying to get us to take us out of his crib. Water, milk, cheese, banana, but when offered these things, he refused them. Except milk, of course. He had just nursed and so was presumably ready to go to bed, but kept asking for more milk. I didn't have any more to give him, so that was impossible! It took him an hour to accept this and he finally fall asleep.
joannadarling last decade
Describe him being hyper. They 'why' of it doesn't help to choose a remedy, only the 'what'.

Seems like he is a very capricious child, at least when he is in a bad mood.

I will study the video and see if it shows me anything your words don't.
brisbanehomoeopath last decade
I described hyper above:

About 'hyper', he talks more, using his language, and is much more likely to get overstimulated. He wants to be running around doing things, so if we stay home like we usually do, he whines to go outside and in general is NOT happy about anything that we do. He wants me to be involved in everything he's doing, wants me to sit there next to him while he plays with toys (to some degree this is normal, but is much more pronounced after he's had dairy). Maybe he is more whiny because he doesn't feel good from the milk, that is possible.

I'll add more to this though:

Tends to scream playfully when he's hyper. Wants to be entertained instead of finding stuff to do himself. Gets angry when he can't do something he's trying to do.

To some degree he does all of these things even when he's not hyper, the hyperness just increases all of these behaviors probably 10 fold.

Let me know if you need any more info.
joannadarling last decade
Well he certainly is a very cute baby :) Very sweet I can see what you mean.

I can see with his talking he just seems to say the same sounds over and over again. He seems responsive though, curious, interactive - he looks quite 'normal' for someone his age.

I didn't really see anything on the videos that might help me to understand him from a homoeopathic point of view. Mostly he seems to be behaving well (but of course why would you youtube him behaving badly lol).

Ok so what I looked at was the following:

Hunger that wakes the patient, greedy eating, aggravation generally from hunger

Craving for milk, Aggravation from milk

Asks for things but refuses them when offered (capricious)

Craving for bananas, for cheese

Slow learning to walk, to talk

Sleeping on the knees

Undigested food in the stool

Angers easily, quickly

Sulphur certainly does score for these symptoms - but then it scores for nearly every case, because it is the most well known remedy with more symptoms than any other in our books. One has to be careful not to overprescribe it for this reason.

The other remedy I found by doing this though, is Phosphorous.

The main issue of Phosphorous is learning, language, communication, contact. Where there is a problem in these areas, Phosphorous or one of the phosphorous salts is very highly indicated.

Phosphorous is sensitive, open, not at all scared by strangers whom they will often go straight up to. Phosphorous children are affectionate, love hugs and physical contact, but do not like being alone. They are restless, hungry, sensitive to noise, very vulnerable to outside stimulation. Their emotional state is volatile, very emotional children generally.

There are two things only that might contraindicate the remedy - the aggravation from consolation and the lack of fear around thunderstorms. This might imply one of the phosphorous salts might be more useful, but I cannot clearly see one.

Phosphorous fits the majority of symptoms however, so I believe it is worth a try. Get hold of 200c.

Whether you get drops or pillules (don't get tablets), you should follow these instructions for making and dosing.


Firstly, you need to create a separate dosing bottle. Get a bottle with a dropper, 15-30mls in size, and fill it with a mixture of water and alcohol (5 parts to 1 part). Dissolve 2 granules or 2 drops of the medicine you bought from the pharmacy into this mixture. Your doses will be made from this bottle.

Hit the bottle firmly against the palm of your hand, or another elastic surface like a book. It should be a firm hit not a tap. 2 hits is enough to begin with, and should not be increased unless it is clear that it is needed. The water in this bottle will 'remember' the number of times you have hit it, so that subsequent doses will be stronger (necessary to overcoming the resistance of your disease).

Place 1 drop into an amount of water - stay with whatever you were using previously. Stir thoroughly and take 1 teaspoon into the mouth. Throw the rest of the cup away.

This is one dose. Repeat doses would be started from the 2 hits on the bottle.

Each step of this process can be adjusted to reduced aggravation or to increase the effect of the medicine. In order to be able to do this, it is important to measure each step (count the hits, the drops, measure the water etc).

Start with 1/2 cup of water. Give one dose only, then wait until we get a response or it is clear nothing is happening.
brisbanehomoeopath last decade
Thank you doc! I gave him the dose just now. I'll keep you updated.
joannadarling last decade
That was quick. You obviously had Phos 200 at home. Have you used it on him before? Or has someone else needed it?
brisbanehomoeopath last decade
Nope, I didn't already have it. We have a Food Co-op about a mile away that stocks a lot of remedies. That's where we usually go to get them. Of course they didn't have the Python Regius, but that's a pretty obscure one :)
joannadarling last decade
Can you do me a favour? Check to see where they get their homoeopathics from.
brisbanehomoeopath last decade
The remedies are all Boiron, and I just called them to check, and they order straight from Boiron. Why?
joannadarling last decade
Just making sure they were not 'black box' or radionic remedies. Some places sell those in place of real homoeopathic medicines.
brisbanehomoeopath last decade
A quick update about my son.

Day 1 (the day he took the dose): fussed very little when going down at night

Day 2: Woke up an hour and a half earlier than normal. He seemed more whiny than normal during the day.

Day 3: He woke up every 4 hours to eat last night, and woke up at no other time. (this is good) This happens rarely. He usually wakes up before it's time to eat. He was very sleepy during the day, took a 3 hour nap. He seemed more whiny and for a little while would even grab his head above his right eye, and bang his hand on it and cry out, like it hurt. Maybe a headache? I'd never seen that behavior before. He was very clingy.

Day 4: He woke up every 4 hours to eat last night, again. Two nights in a row! After I put him down tonight, he woke just now and I went in there and he was sitting in his crib, binky in mouth, whining. I laid him back down and he cuddled right back into the corner of his crib and went to sleep. NEVER HAPPENS. No crying involved. He didn't even whimper.

I will update again in a few days.
joannadarling last decade
Looks like he had an aggravation, followed by some improvement. Again this is promising as well.
brisbanehomoeopath last decade
My previous homeopath told me that we could do 6x cell salts like vitamins and that they wouldn't interfere with constitutional remedies. Usually. What is your opinion on taking cell salts while also taking a constitutional remedy?

Well, Nico is a drooling teething mess today and so I gave him Calc Phos 6x. It helped him. He was grabbing his mouth and crying out before that. He has actually been doing this the past few days (this is normal) but I was really trying to avoid giving him anything for it. I stopped giving him stuff for it when I gave him the Phosphorous. But today it just seemed too bad and so I gave him a few pellets of Calc Phos 6x.

Did I do wrong? I wasn't sure what else I could do.
joannadarling last decade
That is completely incorrect. Tissue salts are not vitamins but low potency homoeopathics. It will almost certainly interfere with the process, and at the very least the need for them would suggest that something else needs to be done with the treatment given previously.

Either wait to see if it passes, or if it is too much to wait complain to me about it.

Good constitutional treatment will often trigger growth spurts of different sorts. It is important not to react to them as if there were a genuine problem (unless we determine there is of coure).
brisbanehomoeopath last decade
Sorry for making that decision without talking to you! I'm kicking myself. I should probably forget everything she told me about homeopathy. I do tend to make hasty decisions like that when the child is screaming and writhing on the floor.

Now we just wait and see what continues to unfold? Hopefully I didn't ruin the process.
joannadarling last decade
If it is severe or intense, try to get my attention and we can do something about it.

Often these things are aggravations on the remedy, which can continuing making changes for weeks after the dose. So it is important to be cautious about treating symptomatically what comes up.

I would not worry at this stage. I am fairly sure one dose of Calc-phos 6x won't antidote the Phosphorous.
brisbanehomoeopath last decade
Sounds good. I am really fretting about what I did, but I will try not to worry about it :) Thanks
joannadarling last decade
Don't fret. All things can be fixed, and don't create problems where there are none as yet :)
brisbanehomoeopath last decade
Ok, he seems to really be struggling with teething. He is very clingy, wants to be held all the time, doesn't want me to do anything but pay attention to him. And he screams randomly and is resistant to eating. And he tries to bite the floor. He'll bend over and try to bite it or throw himself on the floor face first and try to bite it. This is a telltale sign that his mouth hurts. He is also chewing on his fingers.

Not sure what to do, he seems pretty miserable and whiny. Which is making me miserable and whiny.
joannadarling last decade
Have you used Chamomilla for him before? This sounds like an ideal situation for that remedy
brisbanehomoeopath last decade
Yes, I usually give him Chamomilla 200C when he is teething.
joannadarling last decade
Do that now. Teething often creates a new state independent of the original one you are treating. Just one dose of 200c and let me know what it does.
brisbanehomoeopath last decade
Do I need to create a dosing bottle for it or just give him the granules?
joannadarling last decade

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