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Wet doses

What is a wet dose? I wanted to take Hyperticum 200c but I read that the dry dose, the pellets, would aggravate bulging disc. I read arnicum 30 c works well.
Anyone know of other remedies for that & what is a wet dose?
September
 
  fluteandgolfgrl on 2012-01-30
This is just a forum. Assume posts are not from medical professionals.
Posology matters much less than selecting the right remedy and the right potency.

Please copy the Questionnaire from the following thread
http://www.abchomeopathy.com/forum2.php/188925/
and post all the questions here duly answered. On that basis your remedy may be worked out.
 
kadwa 8 years ago
Since I believe that I can claim to be the originator of the term 'Wet Dose' I shall copy my notes which I use to instruct patients on how this Wet dose is made.

I shall also trace the history of how this term was first coined. I have personally observed that the Wet dose when use with any Homeopathic remedy is far more effective than the standard dry pellets that are generally used by homeopaths.

You may like to know that I was the first Homeopath to use and recommend the use of the Wet dose on the ABC Forum which I did shortly after I was first introduced to the efficacy of the Wet dose by Dr Luc de Schepper with whom I was closely associated in 2005 to help the survivors of our Tsunami on December 26 2004.

It was I that first coined the words 'Wet Dose' in consultation with Luc as his reference to 'Watery Dose' seemed to be too long. Wet Dose was coined by me to differentiate it from the standard Dry Pellets aka Globules or Pillules which are in use even today throughout the world.

You are invited to type 'Wet dose' into Google to read the many thousands of hits that are highlighted together with many cases that I have advised on in many Homeopathic Forums that I visit. It will be true to state that the term 'Wet dose' has found international acceptance in the Homeopathic world as many homeopaths have discovered that it is by far more effective than the standard pellets.

I would also like mention here that it is not essential that you follow the instructions of Hahnemann who recommended that the remedy bottle be thumped on an old Bible. During his time the standard plastic bottle made of PET ( Polyethylene Terephthalate) was of course unknown or he may have otherwise have instructed clients to use my method of shaking the bottle hard to succuss it as this is equally effective. It is very likely if you follow his instructions literally with a PET bottle it will most likely burst at the bottom and leak the contents on to the old Bible !

I am glad to note that other classical homeopaths have also shown an interest in using the Wet dose therapy I recommend instead of the standard dry pellets used by them in the past.

For the record I shall copy my default instructions to make the Wet dose below:

Order the remedy in the Liquid pack in Alcohol, also referred to as Liquid Dilution in a bottle preferably with a dropper arrangement.
Get a 500ml bottle of Spring Water from the nearest supermarket.
Pour out about 3cm of water from the bottle to leave some airspace.
Insert 3 drops of the remedy into the bottle and shake the bottle hard at least 6 times before you sip a capfull of the bottle or a large teaspoonful which is the dose.
Shaking the bottle hard is homeopathic succussion and this enhances the effect of the remedy on the user.

I would like to add that it is best to use the Alcohol pack of any remedy instead of the dry pellets to make the Wet dose as this is far more effective.
 
Joe De Livera 8 years ago
Thanks for your informative post. Where can one buy liquid doses in alcohol?
Best,
September
 
fluteandgolfgrl 8 years ago
Ask for the Liquid Dilution in Alcohol of the remedy from the vendor.

If you live in the US you may contact

Washington Homeopathics
www.homeopathyworks.com
1 800 336 1695
 
Joe De Livera 8 years ago
Wet dose is actually an incorrect term for what we call in homoeopathy the Split Dose. This method of dosage was developed over many years of observation and clinical practice by the founder of homoeopathy Samuel Hahnemann. It was outlined in the final two editions (5th and 6th) of our Organon of Medicine, the basic 'rulebook' of homoeopathy.

The reason many homoeopaths still use the old 'dry pillule' method is that the 4th edition of the Organon was more widely circulated, and the 6th edition was actually hidden by Dr. Hahnemann's wife for many decades. Whole generations of homoeopaths were taught from the outdated 4th edition.

Dr. Hahnemann stressed the importance of getting dosage as well as remedy selection and potency correct. Incorrect dosing can actually prevent the cure of the patient, no matter if it is the simillimum or not. Medicines made in water can be succussed which increases its power, which is often vital to overcome the resistance of the disease especially for repeat doses. A dose that cannot be altered (such as a dry dose) tends to become more aggravating and less effective as it is repeated.

Dr. Luc du Schepper has written various articles and an entire book on Split Dosing, and dosing in general in homoeopathy. You can follow this link to read up on it.

http://www.drluc.com/lecture-two.html
 
brisbanehomoeopath 8 years ago
David

I see that you are back again to comment on yet another of my posts.

You will observe that I stated in the first paragraph of my post above that it was I that first coined this term to differentiate the SPLIT dose from the 'unsplitted' dose or the dose that is not split as per both Luc's and Hahnemann's instructions.

You will remember that Luc was closely associated with me in 2005 when he arrived as the representative of Homeopaths without Borders to help the survivors of the Tsunami in Sri Lanka which cost over 60000 lives. I was closely associated with him and must admit that he changed my outlook on Homeopathy which as you are aware, I had studied on my own in my free time away from my business commitments.

Here is what I stated in my comments above:

Since I believe that I can claim to be the originator of the term 'Wet Dose' I shall copy my notes which I use to instruct patients on how this Wet dose is made.

I shall also trace the history of how this term was first coined. I have personally observed that the Wet dose when use with any Homeopathic remedy is far more effective than the standard dry pellets that are generally used by homeopaths.

You may like to know that I was the first Homeopath to use and recommend the use of the Wet dose on the ABC Forum which I did shortly after I was first introduced to the efficacy of the Wet dose by Dr Luc de Schepper with whom I was closely associated in 2005 to help the survivors of our Tsunami on December 26 2004.

It was I that first coined the words 'Wet Dose' in consultation with Luc as his reference to 'Watery Dose' seemed to be too long. Wet Dose was coined by me to differentiate it from the standard Dry Pellets aka Globules or Pillules which are in use even today throughout the world………………….



Your problem David is your EGO which impels you to always attack my bona fide attempts to put the record straight, not only in Homeopathy but in real life. In direct contrast you do delight in posing as the sole arbiter of Homeopathy and as can be gathered from the statements you make on the ABC, you seem to lay some form of exclusive 'ownership' of this precious science to which I and many homeopaths including the Drs Prasanta and Pratip Banerji are also dedicated to use in the 'This for That' protocol aka 'Joepathy'

Here is an extract from your post

'Wet dose is actually an incorrect term for what we call in homoeopathy the Split Dose. '
You must understand that you are NOT the last authority in Homeopathy and have no license to assume that 'what we call in homoeopathy the Split Dose.' is the only interpretation of Hahnemann's writings.

As I stated in my comments in my post which you are commenting on, I do still maintain that I was the first Homeopath to coin the term WET DOSE in Homeopathy which as you may be aware is now known world wide as can be ascertained by putting this term on Google to discover that there are today quite frankly I cannot understand the reason why you do not follow my lead and either give your medicines in the Wet dose or instruct your patients to do so in a manner similar to what I do.

It seems a shame that you do continue to use the 'dry pillule' method in treating your patients in spite of knowing fully well that the Wet Dose supersedes the Dry dose. It is time you woke up and put your money where your mouth is and follow my example in using the Wet dose method.

I have always been identified even at my advanced age of 83 years to be original in my thinking and here in Sri Lanka I seem to have achieved an aura of respect from those who know me as being outspoken in my views which I use to promote what I feel is the truth. The Absolute Truth. I am always available of correction if I can be proved wrong but I do resent any snide interference such as yours in criticizing me on any matter which I comment on.

It is just that I refuse to be cowed down by people like you even when you stooped down to low levels to criticize me as you know that you have done in the past few years when you decided to follow every post that I made on the ABC within minutes of posting, which forced me to waste my time on rebutting your criticism like the case of the girl whose breast lump I cured with Conium and you insisted that it was the wrong remedy which could cause her some more horrible disease like c ancer in spite of her insisting that she was CURED. It is instances of this nature that I refuse to accept and have as you are aware, defended.

I shall be interested to have your views on our ongoing debate which I have always responded to in gentlemanly terms which are absolutely logical but which I cannot say the same for yours. I bear you not ill will and I would expect that you reciprocate in a like manner if only for the sake of peace here on the ABC.

You are aware that I am now 83 years of age and do not know how old you are but I presume that you are in your late Fifties or early Sixties. You must understand that with your background as a teacher of Homeopathy, you can be the vehicle of change in upgrading the mundane concept of Homeopathy like in the case of using the Wet dose which you obviously show respect for in your comments but do not use, as I do exclusively today as I discovered that it was far more powerful than the 'globules or pillules' both of which to me seemed very quaint terms and which I never use as I refer to them as 'pellets'.

In conclusion I am copying below the contents of an email I circulated yesterday to many of my friends who are qualified Doctors both in Homeopathy and in Medicine whose names I prefer not to disclose here for obvious reasons.

I hope that the contents of this email which details the case history of Robert Ray will be of interest to you and others who may read this post. The etiology of his case is based on his own record of his progress to a cure and on my input in the therapy I used to CURE him and return him back to the land of the living after he spent 8 years suffering from the after effects of his 3 strokes.




Dear All

I am copying a post on my website from a grateful patient Robert Ray whom I was able to cure from the after effects of 3 strokes that he suffered in 2002 of which I was first made aware in April 2010.

Many of you are doctors either in Homeopathy or in Medicine and I felt that you may like to read about the outstanding cure that resulted from the therapy I prescribed for Robert Ray, whom I first met on the ABC Homeopathy Forum in April 2010.

Here is the latest post from Robert which he posted today on my Website
and my response to him.


Hi Joe,

My name is Robert Ray and this post has been created by Joe to give subscribers to this forum an indication of the wonderful healing power of Arnica.

Joe has copied my posts from ABC homeopathy (which were numerous) but in my own words how wonderful Arnica and Joe “D” are.

In April 2010 I decided to try a homeopathic remedy to relieve the “SEVERE SPASTICITY” that I was experiencing after surving the last of 3 strokes. The spasticity I was experiencing was in my legs with severe weakness on the right side. Standing for long periods of time was impossible, If I went up the stairs it would be one at a time. This meant putting one foot on a step then bringing the other foot up to the same step and starting over again. Needless to say going up long flights took quite a while using a cane and hand rail.

When I went shopping I waited in the car and my son would shop.
My health detierorated to the point I was using 2 canes to get from one place to another, like the bathroom. I had been given allopathic medicines to help with the spasticity but the did not work and I feared becoming addicted to them. I really thought that I had lost any real quality of life. This was a severe mental blow to a person who had been physically active since childhood, including sports, martial arts, weight lifting, dancing, sky diving and much much more.

In April I posted my symptoms on ABC Homeopathy anticipating with some reservaion that I would find some help. The reason I say I had reservations is that I wasn’t 100% sold on homeopathy, but I was 100% convinced allopathic medicine could not help me. Then a literal “MIRACLE” happened. Joe Delivera answered my post and began to work with me using his miracle formula “JOEPATHY”.

The relief I felt was instantaneous and I mean “instantaneous”.
The pain and tightness that I had been expierencing for 8 years was gone. I thought it was a fluke and that it would come back, but it didn’t return. The spasticity was gone and wasn’t coming back.

This was such fantastic news but the Arnica was also solving another problem. The strokes were caused by HBP (High Blood Pressure) and “ARNICA WAS CURING THAT TOO!”. I had stopped taking allopathic medicine for HBP and had been using vitamins and herbs.
After using Arnica my blood Pressure was “CONSISTENTLY” between 128/80 and 130/75. FDor someone who had blood pressure of 261/196 when I had the last stroke this was great news.

Well my blood pressure has remained in that range and I am writing this post from a hotel room in St. Louis where I am currently working as a Peoplesoft professional earning $125,000 a year. I live in Seattle Wa and I commute (fly) every week to St Louis where I work 4 days a week and return to Seattle on Thursday.
Not bad for a guy who couldn’t walk 2 feet unassisted 2 years ago.

Thanks to “JOEPATHY” I have resumed my exercise regimen to continue to grow stronger. Much to Joe’s chargrin I have been doing a full body regimen that lasts 3 1/2 hours. Yes Joe I have scaled it back to an hour and a half.

Another thing that happened was that Arnica started hair growing on my pate which had been bare for the last 21 years. I noticed what I thought was dirt on the top of my head and I asked my son what it was and said it was “HAIR”. He told me I looked like a “chia pet”.

This is a long post but it is all meant to say that “JOEPATHY” works and Joe Delivera is a godsend for taking up this wonderful work.

Joe I will forever be in your debt for the gift you have given me.

“JOE AND JOEPATHY HAVE GIVEN ME MY LIFE BACK!”

Keep up your good works my friend.

Regards,
Robert

Hi Robert

I was delighted to read your new post on my Website where as you know I have already copied the relevant posts of your case from the ABC Forum. I came into the picture when you first posted your problem with your Breasts which were at a B Cup size (Gynecomastia) which you stated were caused by the many drugs that you were given by your doctors between 2002 and 2010 to treat your 3 strokes. I prescribed Nat Phos 6x as I had been successful in reducing male breasts in a couple of patients with this same Remedy which I had prescribed for their Gastritis (GERD) and the first patient reported that it also rid him of his Gynecomastia in a week or so.

In your case I prescribed the same Nat Phos 6x and as an afterthought I added Arnica 6c in the Wet dose in the hope that it could help with the after effects of your multiple strokes which you had suffered in 2002. I must admit that I never did even dream that this remedy, on which as you are aware I have been doing research, and which I have been taking myself on a nightly basis since 1996, could have had this monumental effect on your body, in returning you back to normal life.

Arnica filters the blood and I believe that it was able to slowly filter the debris which was causing the blockage in some remote part of your brain which in turn was responsible for preventing your motor control of your legs and body movement. I presume that you realize that you have made WORLD HISTORY in returning back to your original state of life as I am not aware of a similar case to yours where the patient, who in your case was blessed with a very active and healthy body, was suddenly felled by the 3 strokes you described in your posts on the ABC Forum, which rendered you to be virtually dependent on others to move.

I am indeed honoured by your references to me in your article and all I can say at this stage is that your case of returning back to normal life through my 'Joepathy' is by far the most exciting of all the many thousands of cases I have treated both here in Sri Lanka where I live and on the many Homeopathic Forums that I visit on a daily basis.

It is my hope that the medical profession will take up your case and investigate it in detail and use the same simple therapy that I prescribed for you to help the many thousands of victims of strokes who are languishing in hospitals today, who can hopefully be helped by my Joepathy.

I would urge you to share your experience on your road to recovery from your strokes with the medical profession and you can perhaps return back to the hospital and the doctors who first treated you in 2002 and with their assistance share your remarkable case of recovery back to normal health with the world.

Warm Regards

Joe




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You may also be interested to read the progress of his case which I have copied below from my website on:

http://www.joedelivera.com/?p=388



Robert Ray was CURED from the after effects of 3 Strokes he suffered from 2002 to 2010

I am copying below some posts from the ABC Homeopathy Forum which records the case of Robert Ray who suffered from 3 strokes in 2002 which affected his ability to walk without assistance.

He posted his case on the ABC and I prescribed Arnica 30c in the Wet dose and the exchange of posts are recorded below:

http://www.abchomeopathy.com/forum2.php/228108/

“joepathy” works!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

From jorbri1513on 2010-05-2516 replies1078 views*WARNING, THIS IS A LONG POST*
*HOWEVER IT IS WORTH READING*

I posted this information regarding my situation on 4/17/2010. I posted to all doctors and Joe De livera was the only person to respond.

“I survived a right side stroke in September 2002 (caused by high blood pressure, which is under control with diet exercise and vitamins). When I was treated in the hospital it was discovered that I had 2 small strokes prior to the one in 2002. (exact dates could not be determined). Since that time I have severe spasticity and weakness in the leg, hip and glute area and very tight groin muscles. I had weakness in the right arm and hand, but I was able to correct it with exercise.
I have difficulty walking (I use a cane), kneeling, climbing stairs, rising from a seated position and bending (as if to pick up something)
The right arm becomes spastic while walking.
I have been trying to strengthen with resistance training, the right side leg and hip muscles to help with walking and weight transfer motions while walking. When I exercise the muscles feel stronger and movement is better, however after the session and subsequent cooling down period,I am right back to square one with severe spasticity,(weakness subsides for awhile) an abnormal gait, inability to take a full step (I use a cane), tight groin muscles and muscle pains (mostly aches and occasional cramps in hamstrings) and problems rising from a seated position. Can you advise on how to deal with the lingering spasticity and pain.”

Since approximately 1999 when I suspect that I had the first minor stroke I had been plagued with severely painful leg and hip muscles 24 hours a day. I had an abnormal gait (known as hike hip) due to the minor stroke.

I had no idea what was happening and went to my “Doctor”. He advised me that I had arthritis. He prescribed some anti inflammatory medicine.

After the second minor stroke in 2000 I experienced more difficulty walking and could barely bend over. I went back to my “Doctor” and received the same diagnosis and medication at a stronger dose.

In September of 2002 I had the third stroke which kept me in the hospital for 30 days. The diagnosis was the stroke was caused by high blood pressure. I was given physical therapy (and high blood pressure medication) in the hospital and continued outpatient therapy for another month after discharge.

For the next 8 YEARS I suffered from EXTREME spasticity on the right side arm and leg. I have tried acupuncture, acupressure, massage therapy, magnet therapy and just about any treatment recommended to try and get relief.

On April 17 2010, I posted the message at the beginning of this forum. Joe De livera responded and recommended his staple remedy ARNICA 30c in the wet dose. Within 5 days exactly (believe me I was counting them) I felt great relief. No pain, tight muscles relaxed, and the spasticity was 95%relieved.

I could not believe how good I felt and I kept waiting for the pain to come back. IT HAS NOT RETURNED AS OF THIS POSTING! I have continued to feel relief and do not have anymore spasticity and flexibility is returning.

My mobility has increased 80%. Prior to Joe’s treatment I could not walk 10 feet without stopping because of the pain. I have been able to go shopping (which I couldn’t do before. I would drive to the store and my son would go inside and shop.)

I have been able to exercise more vigorously which is helping me to recover muscle strength which is important. Prior to Joe’s treatment if I exercised or “hobbled” a long distance I would be incapacitated for at least 2 days. When I say incapacitated I mean flat on my back and if I did stand I need 2 canes for support.

All of this has stopped since working with “JOEPATHY”
and I do not see it returning. I was so impressed with the progress I was making I turned to “JOEPATHY” for other ailments I was experiencing. (Yeah, I WAS a walking train wreck).

I developed gynecomastia (male breasts) as a result of one of the blood pressure medications I was taking (spironolactone). I contacted Joe and he recommended Nat Phos 6x which helped me loose weight, I went from 205 pounds to 195 and counting (I am over 6ft tall).

The gynecomastia has been cut in half and is still going down. If you are reading this and are a man I don’t have to tell you how relieved I was not to have “BREASTS!”.

I suffered from a peri-rectal cyst in 2009 which recurred this year. I again turned to the originator of “JOEPATHY”
and he recommended silicea 6x and ferr phos 6x in addition to arnica. Guess what, NO MORE CYST!!

I’ve read negative posts regarding “JOEPATHY” and everyone is entitled to their opinion. However if you want fact I can attest to the truth that “JOEPATHY” WORKS!!!! I will continue to follow the treatment laid out by Joe De livera because it WORKS!!!!

If there is any interest the original and subsequent posts can be found athttp://www.abchomeopathy.com/forum2.php/223620/

I am a believer and thank Joe for studying and thinking outside the box to help me with my problems. In a world where people are becoming more selfish and narcissistic it is wonderful to find someone a selfless and people oriented as Joe De livera.

THANK YOU JOE!!

Regards,
Robert W. Ray

re: “joepathy” works!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!From dragonfly1976 on 2010-05-25Wow! that’s great news.

Good health to you.

re: “joepathy” works!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!From Joe De Livera on 2010-05-26To Robert

Thank you for confirming the improvement in your status of health on this thread.

It is precisely this form of recording your personal experience that will prove to readers and more especially to those who delight in vilifying me, that my Joepathy has helped you in a manner that all the drugs and other therapy you have used for the last 8 + Years, have not done. The improvement in your health in the short period of 3 weeks is in itself monumental

re: “joepathy” works!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!From girilal on 2010-05-28
When it comes to treatment, Joe De Livera has Midas touch.

re: “joepathy” works!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!From Joe De Livera on 2010-09-06

To Robert

It is now over 4 months since you last reported that you were 80% cured of your symptoms which you suffered after your first stroke in 2002.

“My mobility has increased 80%. Prior to Joe’s treatment I could not walk 10 feet without stopping because of the pain. I have been able to go shopping (which I couldn’t do before. I would drive to the store and my son would go inside and shop.) ”

I would like to have your latest report on your present condition.

re: “joepathy” works!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!From jorbri1513 on 2010-09-08
Hi Joe,

I am pleased to report that my condition continues to improve daily. I have continued to show improvement on the spasticity and I would assess my level of improvement at about 90%. I will be working with a PT (physical therapist) to help with strength and mobility (to ensure I’m doing the correct exercise). As far as homeopathically I am still improving and I still say JOEPATHY WORKS!!!

Regards,
Robert

http://www.abchomeopathy.com/forum2.php/304209/1

Re: Treating Gynecomastia with JoepathyFrom brijobob on 2011-11-11

Hi Joe,

I read your email and I have to thank you and joepathy “TREMENDOUSLY”.

I live in the Pacific Northwest and thanks to your treatment and advice I have been able to resume my career as a Computer consultant.

I am currently working four days a week in St. Louis MO. and returning home on Thursday and flying back on Sunday for my 4 day stint all at company expense with a salary of $125,000.00 per year.

None of this would be possible without your treatment and guidance. I have continued to use Arnica 30c to control my blood pressure which I maintain at 125/70 and I use Arnicated oil to relax my muscles after
workouts.

Currently my workouts are 2 1/2 to 3 hours in duration and very intense.

None of this would have been possible without your help.

My gynecomastia has been completely eradicated with the help of Nat Phos 6c to help burn the fat and turn what was a B cup bra size breast into a chiseled chest on a 55 year old man.

With your therapy I was able to train intensely and bring my waist down from 42 inches to 34 inches.

I am proud to announce that I am walking normally again and looking forward to running soon.

You are truly a miracle worker and have my complete confidence.

I had to create a new login as Nawaz keeps having me blocked because I took umbrage with him attacking me for using your therapy.

You can read the last 2 pages of this post where he attacks me for using your therapy then attacks my “WIFE”

http://abchomeopathy.com/forum2.php/252975/5

Nawaz advised me to stop using Arnica for HBP and I foolishly listened and saw my BP spike. This was really troubling to me since my HBP was the cause of the stroke and the residual damage which you helped me cure.

I returned to your therapy and have been fine since.

Exercise is “ESSENTIAL” to burning fat and with the addition of Nat Phos 6c it burns fat faster.

In weight training/loss there is no such thing as spot reduction so Nat Phos 6c helped me burn fat on all areas of my body.
kish
I am sure Nawaz will try to block this user account also.

To the person requesting the info on “Joepathy” for gynecomastia all I can tell you is that Joe’s advise to me was spot on and has helped me return to a “NORMAL” life when I thought I was doomed to a life of immobility and gynecomastia.

My gynecomastia was an embarrassment to me and left me not wanting to take off my shirt. I didn’t want to look in the mirror either.

NO MORE. As I stated previously I now have a chiseled chest and an 8 pack abdomen.

None of this would have been possible without JOEPATHY and I tried many other methods of ridding myself of my ailments but Joe’s worked.

I have told many people that I encounter who suffer from HBP, Diabetes, Male Pattern baldness, and Gynecomastia (I met several men in the gym with gynecomastia) his therapy has helped them also.

I forgot to mention that Arnica started hair growing on my pate where it had fallen out over 20 years ago.
My son calls me a “chia pet”
if you are familiar with the chia pet products you can appreciate the humor in this.

KUDOS JOE AND MUCH LOVE FROM A CURED AND HAPPY PATIENT!!

Regards,
Robert

Re: Joepathy for gynecomastiaFrom Joe De Livera on 2011-11-11

Hi Robert

Thank you for your post and I must admit that I am delighted after reading it. I am so very glad that you have got back to work and that you commute weekly between the West coast and St Louis. This town is of some significance to me as I had a friend of mine, a veteran pilot who was working in Sri Lanka to purchase a 10 year old Cessna 177 which I had refurbished with a brand new engine before it was flown all the way to Sri Lanka in 1979. I used it to commute between my fishing project which is about 225 miles north of Colombo and enjoyed every moment I was up in the air. I sold the aircraft to an Air Lanka pilot about 15 years ago and it is not airworthy anymore today and is at rest in a hangar in Ratmalana airport a few miles south of Colombo.

I am happy that the improvement in your condition after your stroke has continued and you can be considered to be normal today. It is personal accounts like yours that prove that there is indeed ‘method in my madness’ as although I am not qualified in Homeopathy nor in medicine, the fact remains that I have been successful in helping thousands of patients in the past 8 years since I first joined the Homeopathic Forums while at home I have been helping many patients which I do completely free of charge in my free time. As you are aware, I do not abide by the classical rules but it is the proof of the pudding that matters and your case is one which no other homeopath would have dared to advise on and it would be safe to state that you are cured.

I note with some concern that you state:

“Currently my workouts are 2 1/2 to 3 hours in duration and very intense. ”

This can be considered as overkill in your case, and you are advised to not tax your body to that extreme level but to maintain a comfortable level of about an hour of exercise daily which will lift your Heart BPM to a maximum of 110 which I consider acceptable for one who had suffered from 3 strokes and is also 55 years of age. I would not advice to consider running as this is another ball game entirely.

You may like to know that I have maintained a 5-6 day weekly routine for over the last 50 years of walking for 15 minutes with a 5lb weight in each hand followed by 30 minutes of cycling with sufficient pressure on the pedals to make me sweat in 10 minutes while lifting my BPM to 100-110.

The idea is to exercise regularly without making up for lost time like you seem to be doing today. I must mention here that the very fact that you have survived the extreme routine you reported proves that you are 99% cured but it is just as well not to push it.

You state:
“In weight training/loss there is no such thing as spot reduction so Nat Phos 6c helped me burn fat on all areas of my body. ”

I am interested in your statement and would appreciate your confirmation that you do use the Nat Phos 6c and not the 6x that I have recommended to reduce weight.

Your observation about the growth of your hair is also of interest and I would recommend the use of Arnica Q in an emulsion with Olive Oil on the scalp hair roots as this has been used by hundreds of patients including myself and this virtually guarantees a good head of hair even at my advanced age.

Keep up the good work Robert but do not push it.

Joe

Re: Joepathy for gynecomastiaFrom brijobob on 2011-11-11

Hi Joe,

First let me apologize, I use Nat Phos 6X not 6C. I just Returned from St. Louis last night and after checking my email I sat down to respond to you after the long flight and an even longer week.

Badshah – You asked “Robert, did you experience defecation problems with Nat Phos 6X?”

No, my experience was the opposite. Nat Phos 6X “AIDED” in my daily elimination.

At one point I became concerned that my system would become dependent on it, but that never happened.

I have not used Nat Phos 6x since Joe helped me completely eradicate my gynecomastia.

Joe not to worry about my workout duration or intensity.
Many thanks for your concern though.

I passed the acute phase of recovery a long time ago.

I am no stranger to this type of exercise and rehabilitation.
I have been exercising and studying the effects of exercise on the body since my tender age of 15.

The reason that the workouts are so long is because I do a total body workout. If I miss a muscle group I create an imbalance and my body lets me feel it immediately after I recover from the workout.

As I’m sure you are well aware, muscle growth occurs in the rest phase and I don’t have time to isolate muscle groups since I returned to work.

My body has responded “MAGNIFICENTLY” with the help of Arnica 30c to promote the flow of blood to the muscle groups while recovering.
I don’t know if I mentioned that I also massage the leg muscles with Arnica oil which I found on this site.

You are right in one thing it has been a long time between significant exercise and just trying to maintain myself, but I’m not trying to make up for lost time.

I was using coconut oil and Arnica Q, I read another thread you had with a forum poster on this subject and when I realized this would aid the Arnica 30c I was taking orally I added it to my daily grooming. I didn’t have any olive oil so I used coconut oil.I’ll switch over and see if there is any difference but I am getting great results with the coconut oil.

As for being a “QUALIFIED” homeopath, WHAT is that if not someone with proven results?

Who “QUALIFIED THE QUALIFIERS?”.

Keep up your “GOOD” works Joe.

Regards,
Robert

Re: Joepathy for gynecomastiaFrom Joe De Livera on 2011-11-13

Hi Robert

Thank you for taking on this case which deserves your help as you are advising from your own experience which I must admit is awe inspiring from a curative angle when taken in the context of what you suffered for 8 years and which was resolved very quickly in a few weeks by the Arnica 30c I prescribed in the Wet dose.

I am however concerned on your insistence on intense workouts each of 3 hours duration and I would like to know how often you indulge in them. I do hope that you do them in the Gym where others can help you in any eventuality.

I am surprised to note that David Kempson who usually bugs me on my posts has not commented on the record of your cure and I wonder if he has read this exchange of posts which can give him some food for thought that it is not only his own brand of ‘classical homeopathy’ that can help a patient but my Joepathy too can perhaps even surpass his own concept of Homeopathy based on the Simila Similibus Curantur theory.

I notice that he likes to emphasize the false idea that it is only Hahnemann’s classical homeopathy as contained in the Organon that can cure anyone.

I have always maintained that if he was alive today he may have changed over to Joepathy (This for That) therapy after reading accounts like your own cure.

Re: Joepathy for gynecomastiaFrom Joe De Livera on 2011-11-14

To David

I was wondering if and when you will comment on Robert Ray’s case as you seemed strangely silent these past few days. Your belated response is typical of your previous attitude to the many cases that I have helped and I consider that this case to me is the most satisfying of the many thousands that I have helped on the Homeopathic Forums and at home here in Colombo.

Here is your post which you made on another thread. I presume you did so as you wished to ensure that members of the ABC would not read it as they would otherwise have done if you posted it here on Robert’s thread:

“That patient was not cured of his stroke symptoms. Why would you be offering that case as proof of cure? In fact he needed treatment from other practitioners on this site for a number of other problems.

After the treatment with Joepathy, he still suffered from a Perianal cyst, erectile dysfunction, high blood pressure, difficulty walking without a cane, twitching in the arms, weakness of the legs and right shoulder.

The patient did acknowledge he was helped by Joe’s treatment. However he clearly was not cured.”

You state that the patient was NOT cured of his stroke symptoms. This is typical of your hatred of my Joepathy which anyone who is not obsessively jealous of this Miraculous Cure of a condition that had prostrated Robert since 2002 up to a few months ago, would have applauded. In your case I have often prescribed Lyco to help to clear your brain which seems so filled with Hatred of the singular success that has attended my CURES that you refuse to see the wood for the trees. I do hope that at this late stage you will take my advice.

It is true that Robert has presented other problems which you mentioned but they do not have any connection with his main problem which had rendered him to be a Paraplegic since 2002. It is when anyone deliberately stoops to the levels that you have so far descended down to in your criticism of my Joepathy that even I lose my even keel and am compelled to waste my time to berate you.

Please re-read Robert’s latest report of 11/11/11 where he states categorically that he was CURED of the aftereffects of his STROKE.

http://www.abchomeopathy.com/forum2.php/304209/1

Re: Treating Gynecomastia with JoepathyFrom brijobob on 2011-11-11

Hi Joe,

I read your email and I have to thank you and joepathy “TREMENDOUSLY”.

I live in the Pacific Northwest and thanks to your treatment and advice I have been able to resume my career as a Computer consultant.

I am currently working four days a week in St. Louis MO. and returning home on Thursday and flying back on Sunday for my 4 day stint all at company expense with a salary of $125,000.00 per year.

None of this would be possible without your treatment and guidance. I have continued to use Arnica 30c to control my blood pressure which I maintain at 125/70 and I use Arnicated oil to relax my muscles after workouts.
Currently my workouts are 2 1/2 to 3 hours in duration and very intense.

None of this would have been possible without your help.

My gynecomastia has been completely eradicated with the help of Nat Phos 6c to help burn the fat and turn what was a B cup bra size breast into a chiseled chest on a 55 year old man.

With your therapy I was able to train intensely and bring my waist down from 42 inches to 34 inches.

I am proud to announce that I am walking normally again and looking forward to running soon.

You are truly a miracle worker and have my complete confidence.

Re: Joepathy for gynecomastiaFrom Joe De Livera on 2011-11-15
I am copying David’s response to my last post which he has again chosen to hide in another thread which is totally irrelevant to the cure of Robert’s Stroke in the hope that only I will read it.

I believe that he does not have the courage to post it in the obvious position here on this thread as it deals with Robert’s case of CURE after he first got 3 Strokes in 2002.

Re: desperately seeking sleep for reflux baby 13months From brisbanehomoeopath [Log on to view profile] on 2011-11-14
There is a simple way to tell if this patient is cured.

Have him stop his daily doses of Arnica.

If the symptoms remain cleared from him, then we have cure. If the symptoms return, then the patient is not cured.

Cure, as defined by homoeopathy, does not need to be maintained by constant applications of a medicine. It is maintained by the healthy vital force, which is in turn made healthy by just a few doses of the simillimum.

Cure is stable, long-lasting and affects the patient on all levels. Homoeopathy sets its yardstick at a high level because it is capable of doing such things.

When homoeopaths present cases for peer review, in order to be called ‘cured’, they also need to show such stable improvement (no tendency to relapse, ongoing maintanence of good health, no new diseases arising except in purely acute or external forms) for at least 12 months and preferably for 24 months.

A case cannot be ‘part-cured’. It is cured (all symptoms are gone) or it is uncured (symptoms remain). During the process of cure you will continue to see symptoms showing, and during this stage you cannot call the case cured even if Direction of Cure is good and suggests cure will happen. Many times patients will get seemingly a long way up this path, only to begin relapsing or displaying new more serious symptoms.

Cure also needs to have definitely come from the remedy. If patients engage in a variety of healing modalities, stop or start other kinds of medication, begin activities known to ameliorate the condition, then this clouds the issue sometimes beyond clarity. In such cases declarations of cure by the medicine would need to be assessed very cautiously.

This is exactly the measure I apply to my own cases before I declare them cured.

I have been asked to publish some of my cured cases in Frans Vermeulen’s new book – the requirements are stringent. I must show 18 months of the patient being improved, across all levels, with no sign of the old pathology or new pathology. No original symptoms can remain in the case.
[message edited by brisbanehomoeopath on Mon, 14 Nov 2011 06:54:33 GMT]

Re: Joepathy for gynecomastiaFrom Joe De Livera on 2011-11-15
David has stated:

“There is a simple way to tell if this patient is cured.

Have him stop his daily doses of Arnica.

If the symptoms remain cleared from him, then we have cure. If the symptoms return, then the patient is not cured. ”

I would not dare to request Robert to STOP the Arnica/Nat Phos therapy that he continues to take today as prescribed some years ago. It has not caused him any harm and I do not anticipate that it can possibly cause him any in the future too.

I would consider that it is not in his interest to stop these 2 remedies he is taking today as it is not impossible that his metabolism can again commence the production of the debris in his blood which are now being filtered by my Joepathic therapy.

I am not interested in analyzing the fine details of the word CURE as I have had sufficient evidence direct from Robert that he was CURED by my Joepathy and is back to his normal lifestyle. I must admit however that his insistence of 3 hours of intense training is a matter for concern especially now that he is considering to add Running to his program.

All I wish to ensure is that he continues in his life without any future complications and that he too will live to reach my advanced age of 83 years in about 30 years from now.

Re: Joepathy for gynecomastiaFrom Joe De Livera on 2011-11-15
I am copying a post by Reva V in reply to David which is part of this thread;

Re: desperately seeking sleep for reflux baby 13months
From Reva V on 2011-11-15
Brisbane,
Please show your “cure” (patient) as defined by you. It is not a polisehd publication, but the thread in this forum could be a real reference. You made 6500 post. I would expect alteast 1% of them should have benefited by your definition of “cure”. I will certainly contact them and get thier current health.

For people to live with Arnica, they have very good life after this, including my patients. Yes, you can stop Arnica, put them away from the EMF around us, remove flouride and Chlorine in the water (pre-Hahnemann time), eliminate the toxic chemicals from the every day food intake, give them no pollusion air…. and they will enjoy the cures of Hahnemann after stopping Arnica.

Again, please show your “cures”

Reva V

Re: Joepathy for gynecomastiaFrom Joe De Livera on 2011-11-16
Hi Robert

Thank you for your response to my post which you may not have done if I had not moved it from the thread dealing with the 13 month old baby where David Kempson who entitled himself as the “brisbane homeopath” had chosen to hide his feeble attempt to downgrade my Joepathy which CURED the aftermath of your stroke which had left you a paraplegic for about 6 years.

You have confirmed that in the past 2 years you have returned back to normal life without any impediment and that you are indulging in a 3 hours stint of an intense workout which I hope is not on a daily basis. You stated that you are also considering going a step further by running.

Your reports have given me the greatest satisfaction I have had in the 40+ years that I have been exposed to Homeopathy to know that you are back in harness and that I was in some way connected to your CURE which occurred after I read your post on this Forum and took your case. At that time, I had already helped 2 senior citizens who are now no more, to get back on their feet after some years of living as virtual vegetables as they had both lost movement in their extremities and were consigned to a living death by their children, for some time. I had used Arnica 1M to reawaken their brain and I was able to do so within a couple of weeks into my Joepathy. I mention this term deliberately as I want if known to you and David you will undoubtedly read this post that he would never have used Arnica 1M to treat patients with this condition simply because Hahnemann and his erstwhile followers did not record any CURES of this condition with Arnica 1M in their written texts which both David and I have studied. David refuses to come down to earth and insists that unless we follow the Diktat of the pioneers of Homeopathy to “treat the totality of the symptoms presented by the patient with a single remedy” the poor patient is damned to an existence that is not a cure but is equivalent to a time bomb due to implode in a short time into a far worse state than what he suffered from originally. According to the classical sect the patient enjoyed his respite from his original state for only a temporary period of time as he would suffer a fate far worse than what you suffered from for 6 long years of Paraplegia. Be warned !

You are now 2 years into your new life and although I am indeed fearful of the possible results of the extreme stress that you are subjecting your body to, the fact that your mind impels you to do so is proof that “All systems are GO” .

You are living proof of the efficacy of my Joepathy.

I am also delighted to learn from your postscript that you have been instrumental in saving the leg of a chronic Diabetic from amputation.

As you are aware, I am in my 83rd year and I am indeed gratified that I have been chosen by my Creator to continue the process of CURE that I have worked out in my own manner which differs from the tenets of classical Homeopathy which David practices which unfortunately do not seem to give the same positive evidence of CURE that my Joepathy does.

I have just noticed that David has posted his long awaited response to you a short while ago, where he states that he has used Arnica himself to help his ‘clients’ but in his own classical manner and not in the manner that Joepathy is used to directly treat the ailment presented by the patient in what has been termed the “This for That” manner.

I have no qualms about the criticism I receive from David today and other classical homeopaths on the ABC and other forums who have criticized me in the past.

I do resent however the disparaging references that David makes to my Joepathy which I use today instead of the standard ‘classical’ homeopathy as I have found, as you too have found, that Joepathy CURES while classical homeopathy rarely if ever, does.

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