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nervous system disorder? joepathy?


After taking ritalin (a Central nervous system stimulant) for 5 weeks i developped muscle twitches, spasms, tingeling and occasional nerve pain all over my body.
This is lasting for 6 months now .
I had a CT scan, MRI EEGs etc but nothing can show a physical cause.

Does anybody, especially Joe, knows a sollution for what appears an overexcited nervous system?

  tara1000 on 2013-12-21
This is just a forum. Assume posts are not from medical professionals.

Joe is not on the forum very often anymore. it would
be easier to contact him on his own web site http://www.joedelivera.com

I would suggest that you try Nux Vomica 30c, one dose
at night for 4 nights and see if it clears out the reactions
of the ritalin. Nux vomica is for clearing overdoses of
things in the body. Drugs can be stored in the organs
and muscles etc and not show up on medical tests.

Another thing you could do is try a shiatsu or acupressure
massage by someone who is very well trained ( especially
shiatsu) you wear clothes, they work on your spine area and
this flushes out toxins and gets the nervous system to start
flowing well again.

You could also try acupuncture, and they can tell by
taking your pulse what organs are not working up to
par and then give treatment for that.
[message edited by simone717 on Sat, 21 Dec 2013 20:11:01 GMT]
simone717 8 years ago
Thank you for your reply Simone.

Do you suspect the ritalin to still affect me ( as being stored in my system), even 5-6 months after taking it?

I allready bought the Nux Vomica 30C and if i understand it correct then 1 dose is 3 pellets.

I will keep you updated!
tara1000 8 years ago
Yes, I think it is still in your system, otherwise there
would be no effects by this time.
simone717 8 years ago
Dear Simone,

i have been using Nux Vomica for 4 nights as you suggested but i still suffer from what i call an overexcited nervous system ( giving me spasms, stress, anxiety, twitches etc..) but i do feel more grounded again.

Is there something else i could try?

Thank you
tara1000 8 years ago
Hi Tara,

Wait a couple more days without taking anything and
then report in what your symptoms are at that time.
simone717 8 years ago
Hi Simone,

my symptomes did not get better.

I still have twitches and a feeling of stress/pain in the nerves that change location.
sometimes it is in the right side of my face but other times in the left, or in my leg, arms, chest etc
tara1000 8 years ago
Hi Tara,

Please fill out the answers to the form and put them
on this thread - make sure your answers are
detailed .
simone717 8 years ago
I am sorry Simone but when i click on the link i get this: Page not found.

The page you are looking for has moved.
If you followed a link from our site, please let us know which page you were looking for, and where the link to the page is.

i ve filled in another form if you want..

1. Your age & sex 30 year old Male

2. Describe your appearance i.e. weight, height, body type (thin, medium, chubby, fat etc) thin frame, bodyfat around 15 percent 75 kg 1m70

3. Describe your personality (stubborn, easy going, always in a hurry etc.)I am very nervous inside but appear calm to the outside world, worry alot and cannot stop thinking

4. What is your main health problem & its symptoms
hyperacidity, nervous twitches, tremors, pins and needles, spasms

5. When did this main problem begin
the acidity in Januari 2013 the spasms in January and very bad in June

6. Can you relate any event or events which triggered this problem
the acidity form ritalin use, asthma inhalers and full blown onset after drinking alcohol for 1 day
the neuroligical issues are since taking ritalin to study

7. What makes the main problem better
watching a movie to forget the issues

8. What makes it worse
stress, work, social situations

9. How do you feel mentally & emotionally during this problem (weepy, irritable, restless, sad, hopeless, fear of death etc.)
very nervous and alot of worry, sometimes even panic attacks

10. What other health problems do you have
asthma since 3 years but only from time to time, triggered by firewood smoke and lately cold air and fog

11. What makes these other health problems better or worse (explain each problem)
smoke from burning, cold air

12. How do you relax
watching funny things on tv, warm bath, sports

13. Do you normally fight or avoid confrontation
yes i dont like confrontations

14. What animals or insects are you afraid of

15. What situations are you afraid of (e.g. heights, closed spaces, ocean, darkness etc) fear of airplanes , often have a feeling of falling when half asleep

16. What occupies your mind mostly .my health issues

17. How do you respond to consolation & sympathy feel better for a short time

18. Do you want to stay alone or with people
with people but especially a limited group of close friends

19. How is your sleep
bad, cannot fall asleep, awake early

20. Do you have any recurring dreams
a feeling of falling of a height just before falling asleep

21. What type of weather do you like and how it affects your complaints
i like hot weather
22. Do you normally feel hot or cold in the tropics i was the only one who was never to hot, but here in Europe i dont feel cold neither

23. What type of clothes you wear (tight, loose, around neck etc)
jeans and shirt, not tight not to loose neither

24. What foods you love
spicy foods and fruit, lettuce

25. What foods you hate
salmon, lamb

26. What taste you love (sweet, salty, sour, bitter)
spicy but also sweet fruits

27. What taste you hate nothing, maybe salty foods...

28. Do you like warm or cold food

29. Do you want to eat indigestible foods (chalk, mud….) no

30. How is your thirst (less, moderate, excessive)
moderate to sometimes excessive ( when on ritalin i drunk 6-8l a day) now i drink 3l a day

31. Do you have dry lips or mouth or both no

32. Any coating on tongue first thing in the morning no

33. Any taste or smell from your mouth first thing in the morning sometimes a bad smell when i feel acidic

34. How is your skin quit fair

35. Details about your sweat (where mostly, how much, smell, stain color) no smell of sweat, dont sweat to much neither

36. Any problems with ears, nose, chest, throat
throat spasms and often i feel as if my voice is vibrating in the chest/throat. I also have asthma and sometimes pressure in the chest

37. How is your stool (details of how often, consistency, any blood, any particular smell etc.)
go to the toilet twice a day, no hard stool but not to soft neither

38. How is your urine (details of color, smell, any blood etc.) most of the time transparant and odourless

39. How is your sexual life & desire weak desire

40. Males genitals (erection, pain, itching etc.)
seem normal

41. Females menses details for regularity, flow, clots, discharge other than menses (reply to all these points)

42. What illnesses are running in your family, mother’s side & father’s side & brothers/sisters
ulcurs on father and sisters side, heliobacter for sister

43. Are you taking any medicines (allopathic or homeopathic) since 2 week dipiperon subscribed for my extreme nervousness

44. What homeopathic remedies have you taken in the past (potency, dose, approx. time frame) years a go i tried iodium but dont remeber the dosage, took it just a few times. took arnica 30k once or twice a long time ago also

and natrum sulfuricum 30k
tara1000 8 years ago
Hi- I probably typed in the link with an error. What you have filled
out is fine. I will analyze it today-may have a few more questions.
simone717 8 years ago
I would also like to add that my sympptomes change all the time amongst eachother.

for examples i have nerve pains in different areas, changing from location all the time. then the pain stops and i have twitches, then spasms, then tingeling, then twitches again , then pain again and so on. it never stops

tara1000 8 years ago
Hi Tara,

I want you to start out with 2 cell salts, also called Dr. Schuessler tissue salts.
Tissue salts work by balancing out the cell metabolism and they are
a sub branch of homeopathy. I don't know where you are in Europe but
here is a link where to buy them from the UKhttp://www.homeoforce.co.uk?

Please get Kali Phos 6x and Nat Phos 6x.

Take the Nat phos after each meal 3x a day- 3 tabs under the tongue.

Take the Kali Phos 3x a day, 3 tabs under the tongue at a different time.

If your medication dipiperon is not helping, I would start to discontinue it
asap-Ask your doctor for the protocol to wean off this drug. It has a lot
of side effects, including movement disorders and gastro intestional issues.

Report back after 4 day of doing the salts .


simone717 8 years ago
Dear Simone,

i am sorry for my late reply.

I ended up in the hospital again and now am off all medication.

when you tell me to get the Kali Phos 6x and Nat Phos 6x,

do you mean the cell salt version as i find on the website you posted?

At the moment the spasms are less but since the weather is get colder my asthma is flaring up again.

tara1000 8 years ago
Hi Tara,

Yes I do mean the homeoforce site and it is the cell
salt version-

What happened in the hospital?

Take care,

[message edited by simone717 on Sat, 11 Jan 2014 22:48:15 GMT]
simone717 8 years ago
I had seizures again but nothing is seen on an EEG so no epilepsy

again received the diagnosis stress..

it is weird to believe because at this point half of my body aches, like nerve pains and i have some spasms from time to time but less...
well i just really hope they are right and it is stress
tara1000 8 years ago

Are the seizures something that showed up only after ritalin-
or did you have them any time in your life before?
simone717 8 years ago
i never had seizures, spasms or tics before taking the ritalin.
now my EEG is clear and i also do not loose consiousness so they are not epileptic and if i have to believe the dr's caused by stress/anxiety.
Ever since i took the ritalin i am overstressed and anxious so this might be true.
i am so nervous that most of the time my hand is shaking or my leg when i sit on a chair :-)
tara1000 8 years ago

Report back after 4 days of the cell salts.
simone717 8 years ago
Hello Simone,

I have used the cell salts for 4 days and noticed the following:

-my nervous sytem issues got better but are still far from ok,
i feel very anxious from time to time and hypervetilate.
-my acidity issues seemed to be gone allready a few days before taking the salts and stayed away untill now, it seems like the acidit was related to stress
- the only bad news i have is that the weather is getting colder and my asthma is on its wayback. if i dont find a homeopatic treatment for this i will be forced to use a corticosteroid srpa, which gives me acidity and nervousness.

Thnak you for all your help Simone!
tara1000 8 years ago
Hi Tara,

1. If there is no acidity, then stop Nat phos. You may
take it when or if you have acidity.

2. Keep taking Kali phos, 4 tabs 3x a day and add to it
Cal Phos6x, 4 tabs 3x a day. You can take these two

3. For the asthma- start taking Nat Sulph 6x cell salt
at a different time 4 tabs 3x a day.

Report back again after 4 days on everything.


simone717 8 years ago
Hi Simone,

i have Nat Sulph 6c at home but those are not cell salts.
Can i take that or better order the cell salts?

tara1000 8 years ago
Have you tried the Nat sulph 6c before for the asthma?

and if so, what was the result.
simone717 8 years ago
i have tried the 30C version and it did not help.

I also tried Joe De Livera's method of using the 6C in a wet dose ( 3 pellets in a bottle of 500ml of water and then 1tsp a day). i tried it a few days but at that time the weather was hotter so i would not have gotten triggered anyway

my main triggers are firewood smoke and cold humid weather. dry cold is ok and hot humid also ;-)
tara1000 8 years ago
Hi- you can try the 6c again and test it out.

Try it as a dry dose first. Take 3 pills under the tongue,
3x a day and observe if there is any relief at all.
Report after 2 days of doing this.

Get the Cal Phos though- as it helps with nerves and it
also helps people who have reactions to cold weather and sensitive to smoke.
[message edited by simone717 on Mon, 20 Jan 2014 23:45:23 GMT]
simone717 8 years ago
Hello Simone,

the Nat Sulp did not stop me from having asthma when the weather got colder.
i fear that i ll have to start corticosteroids soon.

meanwhile my nerve issue seems to get better.

tara1000 8 years ago

Can you give me a percentage of how much the nervous
system is improving-That is the first improvement was
small ( how much) the second report improving further
( how much)

I would like you to try 3 doses of Arsenicum Album 30c for
the asthma-
put 3 pills or 2 drops in two tablespoons of water and
take it a half hour before or after a meal. If you notice
a big reaction or improvement after one dose, or two
stop taking.

Let me know a day after you do this- carefully note all reactions.

Continue the cell salts as before. btw, if you need the inhaler,
by all means use it bc this issue can take some time.
[message edited by simone717 on Sun, 26 Jan 2014 18:02:37 GMT]
simone717 8 years ago

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