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Vaccine side effects for toddler

My 18 month old son had an MMR vaccination about 5 wks ago. He immediately developed a rash that faded a few days later, was tired, but otherwise, I thought ok.

After about a week, he developed a minor cold/cough. And began having daily tantrums that have continued today.

He acts like he does when he is sick, throws his head back, screams and kicks, usually over the smallest things. Sometimes this goes on all day.

I know he will likely have tantrums as most toddlers do, but this does not seem normal. I'm convinced that it was from the MMR vaccine.

I was reading about Thuja. Would that work in this case?

Thanks very much.
 
  ellyn on 2014-06-13
This is just a forum. Assume posts are not from medical professionals.
The symptoms lead to the remedy. Thuja will only cure Thuja children - so that means children who react to vaccines in the peculiar way of Thuja. There are actually over a hundred remedies for this condition we call Vaccinosis.

If you want to give a complete case, I am happy to guide you to that remedy though.
 
Evocationer 6 years ago
Thank you.
I was working with a local homeopathic person, but she left town. I have used various remedies for him in the past for colds, reflux, etc., some worked, some didn't. She had always said he was a 'chamomillia' type child. I tried that, didn't help in this case, but has helped teething.

Here is some information:

18 mth old boy

Born 35 weeks, c-section, emergency, distress, torn placenta.

Mother had antiobotics during delivery and pitocin to bring on labor.

Born with slight jaundice.

4 lbs 14 oz at birth.

Breastfed for the first year.

Experienced acid reflux (silent, little vomiting) for the first year and still on occasion.

Diagnosed with FPIES - Food Protein Induced Enterocolitis Syndrome. Allergic to several foods - symptoms are; reflux, gas, vomiting, diarhea, irritability. Very allergic to dairy and soy.

Sleeps great now, only wakes when ill.

Very independent boy - wants to do everything himself, not clingy at all. NEVER cries when left at daycare, very social, happy, active.

Very small in stature - was diagnosed as Failure To Thrive because he wasn't putting on weight when he started solid foods. Still slow at weight gain.

Has developed a very picky appetite and refuses to eat often. But will usually eat at daycare.

Likes to take socks off.

Not very sweaty - but when very hot, head gets sweaty.

Stools are normal.

When having tantrums, doesn't want to be touched or held, throws head back and lays on the floor, throws things.

Please let me know if there is anything else that can help pinpoint the exact remedy that might work for him.

THANK YOU!!
 
ellyn 6 years ago
I will post a questionnaire I use for children's cases on the forum. Answer all the questions you can, even if you have already answered them in your last post, as I often ask for extra information.

Describe each physical complaint/associated set of symptoms in detail. Please include the following when doing this:

1. Appearance
2. Sensation or pain
3. Situations/events/triggers for making it worse
4. Situations/events/triggers for making it better
5. Event that seemed to start the complaint
6. Other sensory features – smell, sound, taste, tactile etc

Make sure each complaint is done separately. Do not group them together. This is for physical complaints/diseases.


MENTAL STATE OF THE CHILD (IMPORTANT)

1. When the physical complaint is active, what is his/her emotional state like? What does he/she do? What does she/he want you to do?

2. Does he/she describe any unusual sensation or pain in the body, especially when they are complaining of something?

3. What fears does he/she have? How does she/he react?

4. Was there any incident in the past that had a great impact? What happened at the time? Is there any ongoing reaction to this event? How does he/she talk about it?

5. Is there any story (book, fairytale, cartoon, movie etc) that seems to really resonate with her/him? What does he/she say about it?

6. What kind of fantasies does she/he describe to you? How does this translate down into play, games, toys? Does he/she tend to draw particular things over and over? If so what are they? If you point to these images, what does she/he say about them?

7. Does he/she describe any dreams or nightmares to you, and what are they? How does she/he react on waking from them?

8. How is he/she when interacting with other children? What about sports or games? How about obeying rules or social conventions?

9. How is she/he when interacting with older people? Is there any difference between family or friends and strangers in terms of reactions and behavior?

10. What kind of activities does he/she enjoy doing? Which of these do she/he spend the most time at?

11. What qualities seem to make your child different from other children?

12. How does your child cope with school, school work, study, deadlines, speaking in front of others, following directions etc?

13. What kind of questions does he/she tend to ask you or other adults?

14. What makes her/him laugh? What makes him/her cry?

15. What makes him/her angry or irritable?

16. What does your child do when alone?

17. Is there a particular person or type of person that he/she reacts to, and what kind of reaction?


GENERAL STATE OF YOUR CHILD

1. What position does he/she sleep in?
2. Is there any position he/she seems unable to sleep in?
3. Any unusual behavior during sleep?
4. Any problems with sleep?
5. What foods are craved (cravings are strong desires) What foods are hated?
6. What drinks are craved? What drinks are hated?
7. How does he/she react when hungry, or hunger is prolonged?
8. How does the weather affect?
9. How does the temperature affect?
10. Are there any other environmental influences negative or positive (season, noise, music, moon, light, dark, day, night, time, smells etc.)
11. Problems with stool or bowel habit?
Problems with urine or bladder habit?
12. Where does he/she sweat most? Does it stain or smell unusual?
 
Evocationer 6 years ago
1. Appearance

18 mth old boy, petite, approx 22 lbs, dark brown hair, brown eyes, olive skin

2. Sensation or pain

Not sure. Generally irritable

3. Situations/events/triggers for making it worse

The main complaint is TANTRUMS since an MMR vaccine. He is very independent by nature and now suddenly gets frustrated easily if he can't figure something out, throws things, cries. Same thing if I have to take somethign away from him. Refuses to eat, gets very upset when put in high chair now. He used to be very mellow and hardly cried at all.

4. Situations/events/triggers for making it better

Giving in to whatever he wants, which I try not to do. Sometimes distractions help.

5. Event that seemed to start the complaint

MMR vaccination, May 8, 2014

6. Other sensory features – smell, sound, taste, tactile etc

Not sure.

Make sure each complaint is done separately. Do not group them together. This is for physical complaints/diseases.

MENTAL STATE OF THE CHILD (IMPORTANT)

1. When the physical complaint is active, what is his/her emotional state like? What does he/she do? What does she/he want you to do?

Sometimes he wants to be held when he's upset and comforted, which I do. But often he does not want to be touched, pulls away. Generally very agitated and irritable. Throws his head back on the floor often.


2. Does he/she describe any unusual sensation or pain in the body, especially when they are complaining of something?

He doesn't talk enough yet.

3. What fears does he/she have? How does she/he react?

He's not very afraid of most things. He's very adventurous and social normally.

4. Was there any incident in the past that had a great impact? What happened at the time? Is there any ongoing reaction to this event? How does he/she talk about it?

No

5. Is there any story (book, fairytale, cartoon, movie etc) that seems to really resonate with her/him? What does he/she say about it?

I think he's too young still.

6. What kind of fantasies does she/he describe to you? How does this translate down into play, games, toys? Does he/she tend to draw particular things over and over? If so what are they? If you point to these images, what does she/he say about them?

Still too young to draw, etc. Plays with toys, loves books, makes animals noises with pictures. Loves our cat. Is often comforted when upset by hugging the cat.

7. Does he/she describe any dreams or nightmares to you, and what are they? How does she/he react on waking from them?

No


8. How is he/she when interacting with other children? What about sports or games? How about obeying rules or social conventions?

He attends daycare and from I can tell, he loves being with other kids. When I see him playing there, he squeels with delight, loves to be chased, and copies what the older kids are doing. He is at the age of testing limits, knows what is right/wrong, and most of the time listens well. BUT, lately with this increased irritability, ignores me when I tell him not to touch something, etc. and then has a fit!

9. How is she/he when interacting with older people? Is there any difference between family or friends and strangers in terms of reactions and behavior?

Hes very social, sometimes he talks/babbles to strangers in the grocery store, he'll hold out his arms to be held to most anyone. He does love company, and drags out all his toys when an adult comes to visit, he's very very social. He's still that way now.


10. What kind of activities does he/she enjoy doing? Which of these do she/he spend the most time at?

He loves to climb on things and look at his books.

11. What qualities seem to make your child different from other children?

I don't know that many other children, so I don't know really

12. How does your child cope with school, school work, study, deadlines, speaking in front of others, following directions etc?

Too young for most of these

13. What kind of questions does he/she tend to ask you or other adults?

Not talking enough yet. But he's very vocal and saying about 15 words, points to things he wants.

14. What makes her/him laugh? What makes him/her cry?

He laughs when playing peek-a-boo, when I make silly sounds. He cries when frustrated, when in pain, doesn't scare easily, but lately has seemed alittle more scared of loud noises/dog barking, and cries.


15. What makes him/her angry or irritable?

Everything! When i take something away from him, when I put him in the car seat, high chair, stroller...when he's frustrated because he can't get the top on something, etc.

16. What does your child do when alone?

He plays very well for the brief periods of time when alone in his bedroom. looks at books and gets into mischief (pulls the dresser drawer open and drags out his clothes)

17. Is there a particular person or type of person that he/she reacts to, and what kind of reaction?

I'm not sure.

GENERAL STATE OF YOUR CHILD

1. What position does he/she sleep in?

Stomach usually

2. Is there any position he/she seems unable to sleep in?

Not sure

3. Any unusual behavior during sleep?

Sometimes wakes with gas, belly pains, and cries. Sometimes he goes back to sleep on his own, sometimes he cries so much that I go get him and put him back to sleep.

4. Any problems with sleep?

Just when he doesn't feel good. He does the above.

5. What foods are craved (cravings are strong desires) What foods are hated?

He loves plain chicken breast, sugar snap peas. I don't know if he craves them. His tastes are changing. He now hates peas.

6. What drinks are craved? What drinks are hated?

He only drinks coconut milk and rice milk. ANd a medical food with amino acids. I dont' know if he craves anything and he doesn't try anything new so doesn't hate anything.

7. How does he/she react when hungry, or hunger is prolonged?

He gets a little cranky when hungry.

8. How does the weather affect?

I'm not sure.

9. How does the temperature affect?

I haven't noticed a difference.

10. Are there any other environmental influences negative or positive (season, noise, music, moon, light, dark, day, night, time, smells etc.)

His irritability usually starts when he comes home from daycare, around 5'. No other influences that seem to bother him.

11. Problems with stool or bowel habit?
Problems with urine or bladder habit?

Sometimes when he's eaten a food he's allergic to or sensitive to, he gets very mushy soft stools. No problems with urine.

12. Where does he/she sweat most? Does it stain or smell unusual?

On his head but not very often. No smell.

SOME EXTRA INFO:
--This seems like normal toddler behavior to most people. BUT he was never this irritable before the MMR vaccination, every minor thing sets him off, sometimes I can't tell what's making him upset, nothing has happened, he's just upset over nothing. He's not the same happy child he was before.

He also has a serious food allergy condition - FPIES. Food Protein Induced Enterocolitis Syndrome. He suffered from acid reflux for the first year, I breastfed and finally learned to elminate all traces of dairy , soy, and beef, from my diet, and nuts, eggs..he was better around 6 mths. I delayed solids until 8 mths and when introducing new foods, he would have reactions to various things. For example, goat milk caused him to vomit, have diarrhea for over 2 wks, acid reflux, and frequent night wakings. Some foods cause more mild reactions. He no longer takes acid reflux medication, it didn't really help much anyway.

He's ok as long as the foods that I know will trigger a reaction are avoided. BUT, I slowly introduce new foods one at a time and have to just wait and see.

I don't introduce any new foods when getting vaccinations, because I'm afraid of a reaction. I have to treat everything new as if its a food trial, one thing at a time.

My son was very very sick all winter, his immune system seems to not be very good. He was 5 wks preemie and Drs still say he's underweight. He had a sever case of croup this winter, pneumonia, constant cough, colds, and two ear infections with antibotics.

He was ok with no illness when I did the MMR shot, and no new foods were introduced at that time.

Since the MMR, I've tried some new foods, not knowing if his behavior was related to the MMR or not. He had a hard time recently with yeast - vomiting every morning for 3 days, and screaming with acid reflux in the middle of the night the first night. Also, some ingredient, amalyse, in wheat flour, seems to have led to mild night wakings, early morning wakings, and runny stools. So no more yeast or amalyse.

Sorry for all of the extra information, but he's got a lot going on.

THANK YOU for any help you can provide.

THANK YOU!
 
ellyn 6 years ago
Alright I am going to work on this today.
 
Evocationer 6 years ago
These are the rubrics (symptoms converted into entries in our Repertory) I used to arrive at a remedy choice:

Anger, throws things
Temper tantrums
Anger when touched
Anger when refused things
Disobedience
Defiant
Fear noise
Anger at trifles
Angers easily
Sleep, position, abdomen
Waking from pain

At the top of the list of remedies are these three: Chamomilla, Cina, Dulcamara.

Chamomilla is absent in Disobedient, Defiant, Sleeps on Abdomen.

Cina is absent in Fear of noise, Anger at trifles, Angers easily, Waking from pain

Dulcamara is absent in Temper tantrums, Anger when touched, Anger when refused things.

Based on the rubrics in which they are absent, the best choice seems to be Chamomilla.

This is a synopsis of the remedy, related to your son:

Excessive irritability
Cross, quarrelsome, vexed at every trifle
Tantrums - stiffening of the body, bending backwards, banging head on floor)
Child wants to be carried, only quiet when carried
Aversion to being spoken to or touched
Unimpressed by authority


Can you obtain 200c in a liquid dose? If you can only get pillules or pellets, you will also need to get a small bottle with a dropper, and a small amount of alcohol with which to make the liquid dose (brandy I find suitable for children).
 
Evocationer 6 years ago
Thank you. I have given him Chamomilla 30c but don't notice the effects anymore. I gave it for teething and irritability that went along with it. I'll try the 200 c. Can I just give 200c in the pellets or is it better to do liquid?? If I make my own liquid as you described, how much of that do I give? And how often?
 
ellyn 6 years ago
Dissolve 3 pellets into a mixture of water and alcohol in this small bottle (5parts to 1 part). Give any dose from this bottle. Never give repeated doses as dry doses. Dry dosing tends to become ineffective very quickly, whereas liquid doses can be used for much longer and even complete the cure where dry doses will leave the case uncured.

For any dose, hit the bottle 5 times firmly against the palm of the hand. Place 3 drops into 100mls of water. Stir thoroughly and give 2 teaspoons out of this mix. Do this once only for the time being.
 
Evocationer 6 years ago
Thanks. I was able to obtain 200c liquid. When I place 3 drops in 100 ml of water and then give 2 tsp of this...can i reuse that mix again or throw it out?
 
ellyn 6 years ago
You throw that mix out and would start from the point where you hit the bottle for any subsequent doses.

At this stage you will not need to give him any further doses past that one. We need to see what that does first.
 
Evocationer 6 years ago
Ok. I did just as instructed. I gave the dose on thursday. I noticed a slight improvement until this morning. Should i repeat the dose?
 
ellyn 6 years ago
What was the improvement, and what has happened today. Give as much detail as you can.
 
Evocationer 6 years ago
He had less tantrums since giving the remedy. He still had what appeared to be normal toddler frustrations and crying episodes but they were short lived and he recovered quickly.

Today, however, he has had repeated episodes of more intense tantrums and his sleep has been somewhat disturbed (he couldn't fall asleep last night last night for over an hour after putting him to bed). Its still not quite as bad as it was before giving the remedy.
 
ellyn 6 years ago
It is important to see if this corrects itself, as any child can have a bad day (as can any adult lol). The habit we don't want to fall into is constantly medicating everything that happens.

As a general rule, I always say wait 24 hours to be sure it is a genuine relapse.
 
Evocationer 6 years ago
So what happened after 24 hours?
 
Evocationer 6 years ago
He seemed ok after 24 hours but still a little irritable. Then was ok again for a few days. Until today...back to being extremely irritable, tantrums all morning, and refusing to eat.

It's very confusing to determine what is going on. I'll see if this behavior continues..
 
ellyn 6 years ago
So does he appear to have relapsed all the way back to how he was prior to the remedy?
 
Evocationer 6 years ago
Yes
 
ellyn 6 years ago
Alright, repeat the remedy exactly as before except increase the number of hits on the bottle by 2
 
Evocationer 6 years ago
Increase the number of hits? Do you mean the liquid bottle? Before opening succus it 7 times?
 
ellyn 6 years ago
Hit the bottle 7 times before adding the 3 drops to the water. Adding succussions (the hitting) actually increases the power of the remedy, so where they may have been less of a result than you hoped for it is always the first thing to try. This can be increased to 10, 20 or even 30 where the strength of the remedy needs to be markedly increased.

After this, the next step would be (assuming we are still struggling to get the remedy to hold) to go up to the 1M potency.
 
Evocationer 6 years ago
Thank you for all of your help. I waited to see if the behavior continued further before giving the second dose, and it did subside. I never gave the second dose and he's been a few weeks now with no tantrums!! I'm absolutely convinced that the MMR vaccine caused such eratic behavior. And I'm very very thankful for your help and homeopathic remedies for addressing this problem. THANK YOU!!
 
ellyn 6 years ago
I posted this on the main forum and was instructed to post here since you already studied my child's previous case.

My toddler is in daycare and one child was sent home for hand, foot, and mouth disease.

And just this morning my toddler woke very irritable, refused to drink, ate little, but then ok. He is at daycare now.

I'm worried he will get his virus as anytime there is any illness at daycare, he gets it and usually much worse than the other kids.

Is there a preventive remedy for this or a treatment I can give now in case he is starting to show symptoms now?

I'm worried he will refuse to eat/drink and he's already underweight and has food allergies, so diet is already limited.

He's now 20 mths old.

THANK YOU!
 
ellyn 6 years ago
We don't have preventatives as such in homoeopathy, but if there is an epidemic, you can look at the symptoms other people are getting and if there is a pattern, a small group of remedies can be considered as a kind of prophylactic.

However, if the remedy previously given has been helpful, I would expect it to protect him generally. I would repeat that remedy before doing anything else.
 
Evocationer 6 years ago
Thanks. I gave him another does of Chamomillia as you instructed before. It seemed to help for a few days, because the symptoms disappeared...his mood improved and appetite increased.

BUT last night he started getting a runny nose and was more tired earlier in the evening than usual. ANd he woke up at 11pm crying with a low fever. I gave him Tylenol and he slept all night. This morning he had a slight fever, was only a little bit fussy and drank his morning bottle.

He still has a slight fever and runny nose. So I'm not sure if he has this Hand, Foot, Mouth virus or just a cold. But the fever worries me.

Any ideas on other remedies to give at this point?

Thank you!
 
ellyn 6 years ago

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