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I am currently taking neuroleptica olanxipin and abilify, because i was diagnosed with fear psychosis. (but this is not important for my problem i feel).

When i forget the medizin, i can not sleep. I never enter the REM phase, it is a kind of meditative state only. I sleep only in hourly rates - when i 'wake up', i feel tired and absolutly not myself. it gets better only when i sleep or rest (meditative state).

I am pretty sure when I get this problem solved i can stop taking these dangerous chemical neuroleptica.

can someone help?
  ohnegedanken on 2014-07-16
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Hi ohnegedanken,

Homeopathic medicines are NOT given to fix the effects of allopathic medicines.
Homeopathic medicines are given to cure you so that you don't have to take
ANY medicine, homeo or allopathic. To restore you to a balanced state of health.

What the allopathic drs do with these medicines is keep adding more medicines,
to fix the side effects.

Olanzipane is used for bi polar, schizophrenia, depression. If it does not
work well within the first 6 months , they add on Abilify.

These medicines have a lot of side effects and others have reported they
cannot get a good sleep without them- they affect your neurotransmitters.'To help me stop the Olanzapine I have avoided alcohol completely (this ... I am finding it difficult to get off to sleep without the aid of the drug' this is a quote from
a person getting off of this drug.

You have a choice here of trying homeopathic medicines instead of these
drugs-if you want to do that, you need a very experienced homeopath who
has experience and knowledge working with bi-polar and schizophrenia.

if you want to tell me your country, I can give you some options of
drs. I think are qualified to work with you. It is best to see someone in person.
simone717 9 years ago
I can not get sleep, when i dont take the medicine. I dont want to stop taking it, yet. I just want to get deep sleep and my feeling telling me, i can try homeopathy to solve thsi problems.

I was diagnosed with anxiety psychosis.

I am in germany.
ohnegedanken 9 years ago
If you want to take the medicine, then you can sleep.

If you stop the medicine, you are having withdrawal effects right away
and cannot sleep.

Homeopathy cannot be prescribed if you want it only for sleeping when
you do not take the medicine.

Homeopathic medicine works on the organic cause of these problems-

It won't work when you do not address the real cause.

Choices are: 1. Take the medicine and sleep.

2. See a homeopath to supervise CURING the problem and they can
help you reduce the medicine and work on withdrawal and proper sleep, till you do not need this medicine
at all.

3. Do not try taking anything to sleep- if you forgot the medicine-
many herbs and other things interact badly with these medicines-
so if you want to stay with Allopathy, then talk to the doctor about it.

If you want to talk to a homeopath about all of this- google Hans Weitbrecht.

He is a well known, experienced homeopath from Germany and he lives in Ireland.
He does Skype appointments for international patients and has
reasonable fees.
[message edited by simone717 on Wed, 16 Jul 2014 19:43:22 BST]
simone717 9 years ago
I have no money, this why i need help via this forum.I hope a homeopath can help me here.

i take the medicine on regular basis. but i still cna not sleep deep enough. perhaps this was nto clear enough. I think i know best now how medicine affects me and i can adjust medicine together with a homeopath!?! for instance tonight i can not sleep, despite taking the medicine.
ohnegedanken 9 years ago
I can see what I can do to help. We can work with the medication at the moment, and look at reducing it when it appears improvement has definitely set in.


In homoeopathy, prescription is based on precise details of various symptoms from which you suffer. To tell or write to a homoeopathic physician 'I have a headache ', ' an eruption ' or “a cough” would not be enough. If you inform him 'I have headache with sharp shooting pains in the left side of the head and temple, these pains always come on when the slightest cold air strikes the head. I feel better by pressing the head very hard.” Then only you have given all the information required for making a good homoeopathic prescription. The success of the prescription depends; largely on how detailed your description of the symptoms is.
We require the following details about your symptoms.

LOCATION: Please give the exact location of sensation, pain or eruption. Also describe where the pain or sensation spreads.

SENSATION: Express the type of sensation or the pain that you get in your own words however simple or funny it may seem. You may have a sensation that a mouse is crawling or the heart was grasped by an iron hand or you may have a pain that is cutting, burning jerking, pressing. Express the sensation or pain as it feels to you. Try to explain the whole sensation in the exact way it is happening and not just the word. We need to understand the whole process of the sensation as it is happening to you.


Many factors are likely to influence your complaint. Some factors may intensify it and some factors may relieve the trouble. A detailed list of the factors is given at the end. Please refer it while describing each of your troubles and indicate which factors make the complaint better or worse.

DISCHARGES: You may have a discharge from nose, ears, mouth, eyes, ulcers, fistula, eruptions on skin, private parts, etc. Please describe your discharge in detail including colour, consistency, appearance, odour etc.

1] Your Complaint:

(Use your own words as far as possible, but if you have recognized or diagnosed the condition, give this information also.) By answering as many of these questions as fully as possible, you are helping me to understand what your body and unconscious mind is conveying. This can help me find a remedy for you.)
• What is your complaint?
• When did the complaint begin?
• Where is it located?
• What sort of sensations (and emotions) do you associate with it?
When does it tend to occur (time/day)
• Does anything make it better or worse?
• How does it bother you? How is it coming in way of your day-to-day life?
• How does it feel like to have this/these problem/s?
• What is the effect of this/these problem/s on you?
• Did any event happen which caused the complaint? Describe the emotion associated with it.
• What are the other symptoms started with it, esp. mental and physical symptoms, which are not directly related to the main complaint.
• What are your reactions with it?

Evocationer 9 years ago
Mental and Emotional State Description

1. What are the issues in your life that bother you the most. Not physical issues but mental or emotional ones. List each one separately and describe why each one bothers you so much.

2. What emotions are the most troublesome for you? What situations provoke these emotions. How do these emotions make you act? Do you feel any ill effects from expressing or not expressing these emotions.

3. What incidents in your life have had a deep impact on you? Describe each incident in detail and how they made you feel? What did you do in those situations? What effect have they had on your life?

4. What are you afraid of? Especially important are phobias, but it might be objects, situations or events that just produce a high level of anxiety. How do you manage your fears? How do you react when confronted with these fears? What would be the worst situation for you to be put in that would provoke these fears? You may need to talk about each fear/anxiety separately.

5. What hobbies do you have? Why do you like each of these activities?

6. Do you have any persistent thoughts, ideas or beliefs that are difficult to stop or cope with? What are they?

7. Do you have any unusual gestures or movements of the body? Do you feel any unusual sensation or pain throughout your body? What exactly does it feel like is happening in your body?

8. When you experience your fears, persistent thoughts, or difficult emotions, what kind of sensation or reactions do you get in your body?

9. When did you feel at your best in your life? What was that like for you? If you imagine the complete opposite of this feeling or moment, what would that be like?

10. Do you feel like you are stuck in a pattern of behavior, especially when trying to deal with your problems? What is this pattern?

11. What difficulties or problems do you have in relationships? Talk about your family, your romantic relationships, your spouse or partner, your friends, and your work colleagues. You may need to talk about all of these separately.

12. List 5 positive things about yourself. Are there any situations where this positive attribute becomes negative (is a problem)?

13. List 5 negative things about yourself. Are there any situations where this negative attribute becomes positive (is useful)?

14. Do you have any reoccurring dreams? Describe them in detail, including any feelings that come while dreaming.

15. Did you have any reoccurring dreams as a child, or earlier in your life? Describe those in detail including any feelings that came with them.

16. What were you like as a child, your character, your personality, your fears, your dreams, your problems?

17. What kind of environment did you grow up in? What problems where there at home, with your family, with your parents, with your siblings, with school?
Evocationer 9 years ago

1. Sleep - what position do you tend to sleep in?
- what position can you not sleep in?
- do you do anything unusual in your sleep?
- any problems with going to sleep, staying asleep, or waking up?

2. Appetite - What foods do you crave/desire strongly?
- What foods do you hate eating (have an aversion to)?
- What foods have a negative effect on you or cause symptoms?
- What foods have a positive effect on you or seem to improve your health or symptoms in some way?

- What is the effect of hunger or fasting on you?

3. Thirst - What drinks do you crave/desire strongly?
- What drinks do you hate to take (are averse to)?
- When are you most thirsty?
- When are you least thirsty?

4. Stool - Do you have any problems with your bowels or passing stool?
- What is the shape, color, odor of the stool?

5. Urine - Do you have any trouble passing or retaining urine?
- What is the color, odor of the urine?
- Do you have any sediment or debris in the urine?

6. Sweat - How do you feel about the amount of perspiration you have?
- Where do you have the most sweat?
- What is the odor?
- What color does it stain clothing?
- Does anything in particular cause you to sweat abnormally?

7. Sexuality - Any problems with your sexual desire?
- Any problems with your sexual ability or function?
- Any history of sexually transmitted diseases?

8. Menses (Women)
- How many days is your cycle?
- How many days does the flow go for?
- What is the appearance of the flow?
- What is the odor of the flow?
- What kind of stain does the flow leave?
- Any discharge before, during or after?
- Any pain before, during or after the flow?
- What symptoms come before the flow?
- What symptoms come after the flow?

9. Environment – How does the weather affect you?
- How does the temperature affect you?
- How does the season affect you?
- What physical activities affect you?
- Is there anything else in the environment you are sensitive to?
Evocationer 9 years ago
Dear Ohnegedanken,

No it was not clear really-now I understand.

See if you can Answer the best you can Evocationer's questions-he is a homeopath
from Australia.


simone717 9 years ago

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