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Hypersensitive after to much High Potencies

Dear Friends,

I red a few posts of persons who becamo hypersensitive to homeopathic remedies after the misuse from to much repetitions or a after to many or a to high "high potencies".

Does someone know why this happens?
Is it possible that the remedy is still working and therefore the vital force reacts strong to new stimulus?

I am on the right way, after to many high potnecies from a remedy I developed a new remedy picture and take now already for a half a year Lm Potencies. I make progress, every potency bring me to a higher level of health but I have to take it still very diluited, otherwise happens a strong aggravation. If I take the right dose I feel better, better then before every 2 weeks happens a jump to a new well-being,

I am only curious if someone of you knows something about sensitivity and this heavy reactions.

I think it could be possible that still the high potencies is working and therefore i have to take so much attention, but it is only a presumtion from a amateur.

Greetings

Luca W
 
  lucawi on 2019-09-25
This is just a forum. Assume posts are not from medical professionals.
I hope somebody will reply your question.
During my last treatment with a professional homeopath I experienced aggraviation to almost all remedies prescribed by him, although he used 30C and 200C with 5 cup method, but with repetions like every few days.

I have saved a post from another homeopathy forum about this (sorry, I did not save the link, but maybe you could google it):

"Such cases represent persons who are 1000++++ on Hahnemann's
sensitivity scale from 1 to 1000. The will produce strong aggravations and
antagonistic secondary actions to most every remedy, dose and potency. This
hyper-reactivity is a leading symptom of their disease state and makes them
the most difficult patients to treat. Normally, I use low potencies like 6C
on such patients be even this can aggravate many. I always use a single
dose and wait and watch for longer periods then normal. Premature
repetition always disrupts these short of cases. Many of these people will
cycle up and down over time and one can't be trick into giving the remedy
just because they went up and down. You have to wait long periods and look
at the bigger picture over a longer period of time.

The rubric for these persons is not when well selected remedies failed
to act. They act all too much and the patient "acts" up. The rubric is
hypersensitivity to remedies. I will speak of this later.

>In others, the reaction does depend on the remedy, but there seems to be
>no way to treat the person constitutionally without causing huge
>aggravations. What I'm curious about is what such intense negative
>reactions to apparently well chosen remedies means about the overall state
>of these people's vital forces. In general this happens with people who
>have had a lot of previous treatment, medical, herbal, or homeopathic --
>sometimes all three. I've had the impression that the vital force in
>these cases hasn't expressed coherent symptoms that indicate a remedy that
>would work well. But also that perhaps their vital forces are blocked in
>some way and can't respond coherently, even if a remedy is well
>indicated. What did Hahnemann actually do with such people? (What I was
>taught is that he gave Sulphur as the starting point, regardless of their
>symptoms -- but so often what we've been taught isn't what he actually
>did, based on the casebooks.)

I find that many of the persons who suffer from hypersensitivity over
reactive to everything. Many are be treated too many times by acupuncture,
herbs, homoeopathic remedies, various energy work and even too much
psychological counselling. Such sensitivity is also found in persons who
have been given too many high potency remedies. Some become allergenic to
everything and have multiple chemical sensitivities. There vital forces
are so over reactive to all these stimuli that this hypersensitivity is now
their major problem. Many of these persons demonstrate an overly emotional
sensitivity with hysterical tendencies. They also become hypochondriacs who
imagine they are being harmed by everything and everyone. Sometimes one
give such patients placebos to test to see if they react violently to
"nothing". When they do this confirms their psychological state.

Hahnemann DID NOT begin with Sulphur with every patient regardless of
the symptoms. If the patient came with a trauma he gave remedies like
Arnica, etc. If they came with acute symptoms he treated them by the acute
symptoms with acute remedies like Belladonna, etc. If the patient came in a
chronic condition with a history of suppression, drugging, maltreatment and
psora-like symptoms he would often give them Sulphur. In Paris case books
like DF-5 Hahnemann used Sulphur as the first prescription in 63. 4% of his
new cases. From April, 1842 to June,1843 Hahnemann used Sulphur in 59% of
his LM prescriptions. Too many persons say things like Hahnemann gave "all"
his patients Sulphur first not matter what the symptoms. This is simply not
true.

Hahnemann also had trouble with such patients but I think we are
witnessing a epidemic of hypersensitivity, especially in West. The entire
culture is becoming more sensitivity and dissatisfied with everything.The
increase of fear, anxiety and over emotionality is staggering. The idea of
being contented and satisfied with what one has is almost unheard of in
many circles. Many are spoiled as they have most everything yet they are
satisfied with nothing. They can't form bonds that lead to long term
meaningful relationships and are over sensitive to any faults in those whom
they from intimate relationships. It is looking more and more like a group
hysteria tainted with group paranoid disorders. The whole culture is
looking more and more neurotic and psychotic. With this there has been an
explosion of many forms of hypersensitivity.

The hypersensitive, over reactive to remedies state must be taken as the
main complaint and considered a real pathological state. It is dangerous
and difficult to treat and requires constant, careful adjustments of
the posology and MUCH PATIENCE. There are remedies that are known for
treating this state. They sometimes are used as intercurrents to calm the
patient down while one uses constitutional remedies or they may be the
constitutional remedy as long as this over irritable state lasts.

In Boenninghausen's first repertory, A Systematic Alphabetic Repertory
of Homeopathic Remedies, First Part, Embracing the Antipsoric,
Antisyphilitic and Antisycotic remedies, the Baron offers a rubric that
deals with hypersensitivity, over irritability under the title
"Intercurrent Remedies in Chronic Diseases.

1. Coffea, too great sensitivity and painfulness of the affected parts,
irritability and sleeplessness.
2. Hepar alternated with Nit-ac in excessive irritation from abuse of mercury.
3. Magnes, arct., excessive irritation with trembling, great restlessness
in limbs causing constant change of position, great distension of the
hypogastrium, mental anxiety and apprehensiveness, great nervousness
4. Mesmerism for nervousness in general. (Hahnemann recommend slow negative
passes of Mesmerism for over reactivity)
5. Nux-v. the nervous system is deeply affected and irritated,
hypersensitiveness of the senses, fearfulness, anxiety, inclination to lie
down, aversion to open air; passionat4, peevish, obstinate disposition or
when the menses are too early or prolonged.
6. Opium, want of sensitiveness of nervous system and deficient reaction of
the vital force (Here sometimes also Carb-v., Lauroc. Mosch, or Sulphur.
7. Pulsatilla in certain instances, at suitable intervals alternately with
Nux for ameliorating too great of sensitivity.

In rare instances with such excessive irritation of the nervous system we
will have to resort to Asarum, Cham,China, Ignatia, Teuricum or Valeriana,
applied in a like manner when these remedies are more suitable for the
entire contritions. Finis.

Boenninghausen recommends that the remedies be given by olfaction. If
olfaction is used it MUST be very gentle with a decent air gap between the
solution vial and the nose. The remedy should be prepared specially for
olfaction (aphorism 248). Too strong of a breath too close to the nose will
also cause aggravations.

Here are some rubrics I have collected and made editions to:

REMEDIES, homoeopathic, oversensitive, to: - acon., anti-c., arn., ars-i.,
asar., bell., carc., caust., cham., Chin., coff., cupr., hep., Ign., lyc.,
m. act., Merc., Nit-ac., NUX-V., Phos-ac., PULS., sep., sil., SULPH.,
teucr., Valer, zinc.

REMEDIES, reactions to, homeopathic overacts, without curing:

ars.,carc.,cupr.,med., Ph-ac., Teucr.

REMEDIES, reactions to oversensitive, to high potencies- Ars., caust.,
hep., lyc., med., NIT-AC., nux-v, PHOS., sep, sil.,
quick reaction- Bell., Cupr., Nux-v., PHOS., Sulph., Zinc.,

wants of susceptibility, to-carb-v., laur., Mosch., Op., Sulph.

Generalities; REMEDIES; fail to act, when well selected (12) : alum.,
camph., carb-v., carc., LAUR., MOSCH., OP., psor., stram., sulph., teucr., tub.

Generalities; IRRITABILITY; physical, excessive; medicine has produced an
over-sensitive state and remedies fail to act, when too much (3) : aloe,
Ph-ac., TEUCR.

I hope this information is helpful.
Sincerely, David Little"

Edit: Sorry, I forgot to put quote marks. So, I am not David Little.
I have found the forum, from where I saved this post:
http://www.homeopathyhome.com/forums/forum/homeopathy/homeop...
It ispost nr 7.
[Edited by pveronika on 2019-09-26 15:56:22]
 
lajhar 4 years ago
Dear David,

thanks for the detailed information, will discuss with my homeopathy further steps, but I think if nothing will change with my actual remedy this information will be important.

The last high potency from my old remedy is already 9 month behind, it was a 460M Fincke, after that I developed a strong aggravation for more then 3 weeks(I suspect I proved the remedy, or there happened something similare what Hahnemann described in aphorism §276). After that dose I developed the hypersensitivity. A new remedy picture developed very clearly and therefore was prescribed the new simillimum for.

I hope that the time will cure, I hope so. Cause I suffer from schizophrenia for already 5 years and need absolutly the homeopathy. There were prescribed already 5 remedies, each followed well to the next, there were one exception and the wrong remedy wos prescribed and after a few days I returned to be psychotic, nearly immediatly. So it's a very tricky situation.

Arsen, it is my actual remedy, it seems to cover well the whole case, unfortunatly I can take it only very diluited but it covers well the case.

I am already for 4 years in homeopathic treatment and cause of the strong dynamic of the remedy I could take high potency diluted ans succussed every day from 1M to 100M without problems. I ordered by my own a 460M cause I didn't had the knowledge what can happen, and never before had problems so I didn't knew to risk to ruin the case.

Maybe the 460Mis still acting, but I can't explain it to myself cause the other potencies last at least 2 days, and I am talking about 50M or 100M.
What do you think about that??

I already was very sensitv to each remedy at the beginning, but after a few weeks situation normalized and needed a stronger stimulus, so it's a complet new situation.
Do you already have expierence how long such a turbulence of the vital force can last?

And if some of the remedies that you mentioned I would neeeded, it had to cover also the whole case otherwise I would relapse.

I am very gratitued about your work. When I made research about Lm potencies and sensitivity on the internet I red all folders about it from you.
I am sure that all homeopaths should know the power of remedies and know how to react and deal with it.
Unfortunalty only a few homeopaths stuied well Hahnemanns work and especially organon 6, the perfection of his work.
So many people abbandone homeopathy cause they are treated superficial and not in depht, and cure will not be completed.
I was lucky to find a qualified homeopath who knows to work with Q Potencies and C potencies, but it is in my nature that I like to handle some things by my own, In many situation I did well but unforutnatly the 460 was to much :)

Greetings and Blessing

Luca
 
lucawi 4 years ago
At least, if you have saved the discussion about sensitiviy form the forum, could you please mail it to me, my adress is lucawinkler7(at)gmail.com.

I tried to google it but there is only a few information about it on the internet and I found nothing valuable. There are a few posts here in abchomeopathy but I never found a case where such a situation was cured or where a patient reported about his recovering or improvment regarding his sensitivity. Many suggestions but never a real course of a case to find or substantial details about the patient. Think the abbandoned the forum cause there were some initial posts and then unfortunatly dissapeard.

Greetings
 
lucawi 4 years ago
Hi Luca,

I have edited my previous post. Unfortunately I am not David Little, I am sorry if I might have caused confusion.
I am not a qualified homeopath. I studied homeopathy for a few years, bit did not finish the school, so I am rather an amateur.

I really hope that an experienced homeopath will join this discussion.
Where can you buy 460M? I thought 100M was highest potency available.
 
lajhar 4 years ago
Hi,

no problem, :) thanks for the information!

https://www.remedia.at/ sells this kind of potencies, but this is a special preparation, it is made with the fluid method, it is not then strong then C potencies but acts also very deeply. They are called Fincke potencies. But I would not recommend to take potencies then high, maybe in acute situations ore some exception they can be useful, otherwise it is dangerous.

What a pity that you didn't finish, but I am sure that also after a few years someone knows pretty much about this materia.

Wish you all the best, and thanks again for the post, it is very detailed information.

Greetings

Luca
 
lucawi 4 years ago
hi Luca,
Thank you for the link.
I know remedia.at, I have ordered from them several times through a local pharmacy :)
I have checked Fincke potencies, we never studied these kind of potencies at the homeopathy school. It seems to me that there is not so much informaton about it, I could not find many links after I googled it.

Yes, unfortunately even today a lot of homeopaths do not know the 6th edition of Organon, use only dry doses, never use LM potencies(even if they know them), and do not individualize the potency selection.
Have you checked Luc de Schepper? He has some interesting articles on his homepage:
http://www.drluc.com/index.aspx

Self treatment can be very tricky, so contacting your homeopath might be very practical.

You say that the 50M and 100M last for at least 2 days.
Actually I do not know much about such high potencies, but I have read from an experienced homeopath that if you take 10M than for at least 4 months you should not repeat the remedy.

Off course opinions and experiences might differ, this homeopath (Deborah Olenev) has a very different experience:
http://www.homeopathyforhealth.net/2014/04/16/lm-potencies-v.... says:
"How long the single dose centesimal remedy holds also varies with the potency. A rough estimate of the duration of action of a remedy is approximately three months for the 30C dose, but I have seen 30C dose remedies hold a year and a half and longer. They also can cure the symptoms altogether.
The 200C strength holds on average for six to eight months. For many people it only holds two to three months, and for others it can hold for four or five years, and again it can cure. The higher potencies have the potential to work even longer.
I avoid using very high potency remedies because the aggravations can be very long lasting and very intense, and they can pull anyone under their influence, even if they would not be susceptible to that remedy in lower potency."



Well, the more I read about homeopathy the more I have the feeling that my knowledge is very small :)

I wish you all the best, and I hope that your journey with your healing will continue!
[Edited by pveronika on 2019-09-26 20:10:40]
 
lajhar 4 years ago
Hey veronika,

thanks for the information, luc de shepper I know. I red the book "how to deal with the simillimum", and learned a lot of usufull information in my case. Before it never doesn't matter how much pills i but in the solution or how much drops i took, but threw Luc i learnd how important this details can be. And I say you, threw this book I am still improving. My homeopath already thought it isn't the right remedy and thought to change remedy, but with accurat method to take it and the right solution I could figure out that it is a right remedy.

I ordered the Q potencies from remedia, the pills and made by my own the solution. I was used to, with the old remedys to put 5-6 pills in a 10ml solution, put Hahnemann did 1 pill in a 100ml solution. My homeopath didn't knwe this and also me never thought that this detail makes a different. But AFTER becoming hypersensitiv it made a big difference.

I checked Deborahs Olenevs article out, will read it before going to bed. :)

I made expierence with Fincke potencies. The last not then long then C potencies and a 1M equivales a 200C to give you an example, and a 100M can be given after a 10M. There is some information about at remedias website.
I had to take a remedy and did not move forward with the C scales. I checked out the FInkce potencies and ordered them. For my surprise I returned to make big steps forward. It is cause it was a new stimiulus. I think not in many cases that make a difference, so if you are already taking the simillimum you normally make anyway progress, but maybe it was not anymore the indicated remedy and a simile and therefore the vital force bit it welcome and reacted for new.

I took the remedy till the 460M and still reacted well with big progression, then I discoverd this video and made an "experiment" :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYswnOkrThI&t=1150s

I made my own Fincke potencie, the 460M was the start point, I let water flow for 5 hours, but at this time I didn't know how much differnce made the distance from water and strenght of turbulence/potenciesing.

Know I know it. :)

Yes there is much to discover in this topic. I think it will never and. And there are so much different cases and courses of healing.

An hour ago I switched from the Q15 to Q16 and still feel pretty well. Hope it will continue. Every new potency is a surprise, who knows who I am at the end of this journey. You know, homeopathy gives me hope in a situation difficult to bear, I don't have pain, but mentally I am still a disaster, already feeling better but it is difficult to deal with me. Full of fears, paranoia, controlling thoughts, manipulation, pangs of conscience. All dominated by the remedy picutre of Arsen. You know, i switch know to the 5 remedy picture. An each picture was nearly a complete differnet state of concience, of realtity, emotionally and spiritually. It is a long way I have behind and. Have learned a lot but I think people who never had to feel emotions like this, and horrible thoughts and impulses are blessed. I learnd a lot about human mind but uuuuuuuu, crazy.

Will see who I am at the beginning of my journey. I have high ideals, will see if I can reach them. Remember me as a happy open minded adolescent. The illness changed me completly, it is hard to accept this, but I hope one day I am back, back in life.

Greetings

Luca
 
lucawi 4 years ago

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