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Miasms
Dear all,My limited understanding of miasms is that most people have varying degrees and combinations of them, but that when one or more of them are chronic, they start to cause serious health problems, and can disrupt the effectiveness of other homeopathic remedies. Am I anywhere near correct?
More importantly, I read descriptions of the various miasms and found the description of the 'leprosy' miasm to be very, very familiar, and the 'cancer' one to be somewhat familiar. I thought perhaps if I have this miasm, it may explain why I have had no luck with homeopathic remedies. How does one treat a miasm? I've heard something about nosodes - are these the things Dr Bach created? Where can you get them?
Thanks
heebiejeebies on 2006-09-27
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Its complex .When several miasms are involved as in ,to treat effectively the present(ACTIVE) miasm must be identified and cleared as it were. We would need to becaome familiar with the features of each miasm in order to identify them properly. The remedies used may be the corresponding nosode or any number of remedies in the MM .For example Thuja in Sycosis, CAlc carb in psora, Merc in Syphilis. These are deep acting remedies and are sometimes refered to as anti-miasmatic remedies. Hahnemann used these remedies effectivly, and we are encouraged to use nosodes very sparingly. It was not bach who came up with these , but rather a number of homeopaths throughout the years. At times we may give a remedy with poor results we may then give a nosode wait and try are 1st remedy again with improved result. Important though is a nosode is not always needed, and its use must be justified.
Sycotic last decade
The Miasms are grafted onto the hereditary genetic pattern and may have origninated many years ago in the family heritage.
Changes occur each time two people create a new life and two differing miasms are interlinked.
In addition vaccines can affect the problem. Paticularly TB vaccines will create a fresh facet to a hereditary genetic pattern.
Many remedies have a miasmatic power -- lesser or greater.
But the 'leprosy' miasm is PSORIC and may be treated by Psorinum, Sulfur, Calc carb etc.
The indications for this are itching - inabilty to wear woolen garments - sweet tooth- dry skin, dandruff - slight ¨hunching ¨of shoulders - unwilling to challenge anybody about anything.
The nosode for cancer is Carsinosin and means that babies have ' bluey ' wites to the eyes when born - have many inflammatory ailments when young - many cases of cancer in the family history - easy tanning olive type skin - sensitive to music - enjoys watching thunderstorms -- NB this also applies to Tuberculinum--- .
Dr Edward Bach created the flower remedies after having spent many years working on the BOWEL NOSODES. Probably a reaction to working with excreta that drove him to Wales where he developed the flower remedies. !
Changes occur each time two people create a new life and two differing miasms are interlinked.
In addition vaccines can affect the problem. Paticularly TB vaccines will create a fresh facet to a hereditary genetic pattern.
Many remedies have a miasmatic power -- lesser or greater.
But the 'leprosy' miasm is PSORIC and may be treated by Psorinum, Sulfur, Calc carb etc.
The indications for this are itching - inabilty to wear woolen garments - sweet tooth- dry skin, dandruff - slight ¨hunching ¨of shoulders - unwilling to challenge anybody about anything.
The nosode for cancer is Carsinosin and means that babies have ' bluey ' wites to the eyes when born - have many inflammatory ailments when young - many cases of cancer in the family history - easy tanning olive type skin - sensitive to music - enjoys watching thunderstorms -- NB this also applies to Tuberculinum--- .
Dr Edward Bach created the flower remedies after having spent many years working on the BOWEL NOSODES. Probably a reaction to working with excreta that drove him to Wales where he developed the flower remedies. !
walkin last decade
Thank you for the replies everyone. I don't identify quite as strongly with the physical symptoms of the psoric miasm but I read a couple of personality descriptions and they are spot on. I think it might be worth me trying a remedy for it. I've read the calc carb personality type which doesn't really fit me. Sulphur is 50% me and 50% nothing like me. So maybe it would be best to try the psorinum remedy? Is that the nosode or just a remedy related to it? If it's a good option then can someone suggest a dosage?
Thanks :)
Thanks :)
heebiejeebies last decade
h....j...s,
I could suggest the following:
Sulphur and Psorinum are complementary meds.
On one Sunday...take a dose of Sulphur 200C and the following Sunday take Psorinum 1M.
These meds not to be taken in potencies
lower than the ones suggested above.
Both meds are long acting.
Watch progress and post feed back...if you are following my advice.
Pankaj Varma
I could suggest the following:
Sulphur and Psorinum are complementary meds.
On one Sunday...take a dose of Sulphur 200C and the following Sunday take Psorinum 1M.
These meds not to be taken in potencies
lower than the ones suggested above.
Both meds are long acting.
Watch progress and post feed back...if you are following my advice.
Pankaj Varma
♡ PANKAJ VARMA last decade
Thanks a lot. I usually get them in tablets because it's easier for me. So 1 tablet? For how long should I take them? Or just the once?
Thanks :)
~ heebs
Thanks :)
~ heebs
heebiejeebies last decade
Only one dose of each med...second med after one week of taking the first med.
Pills the size of a small suar crystal......7 or 8
Pills the size of a bigger sugar crystal.....4.
Pankaj Varma
Pills the size of a small suar crystal......7 or 8
Pills the size of a bigger sugar crystal.....4.
Pankaj Varma
♡ PANKAJ VARMA last decade
Subject for debate re: miasms was that I had found what appeared to be no fewer than two reliable,reputable sources that contradicted one another re: the use of nosodes.One source recommended nosode after very careful evaluation by professional and then use just once period.The other stated emphatically that nosodes were useless because the original infectious material(bacterium for instance)had a particular characteristic(strain)that no longer currently exsists and therefore how could the nosode treat for it?When someone finds out more please let me know since there are some personal puzzles I'm trying to unravel after having read Trevors'opinion on say using tuberculinum then personality remedy to initiate maturity response(growth)in individuals who were otherwise emotionally stunted.Thanks in advance
PatteeRan last decade
Hey all.
Some good information on the Miasms above, which actually quite suprised me given the nature of some of the advice I have seen given here! (present company excluded...for the most part).
RE: Nosodes specifically, I have personally proved each of the miasmatic nosodes as many as 10 times each, and they have their own very specific personalities and indications just like any other remedy, and in my opinion should only be used where such indications are present, again just like any other remedy. Most Homoeopaths though, seem to believe they should be applied simply because the presence of a miasm is suspected, and this is most deffinitely not the case at all. In fact I have seen a great deal of harm done to patients health by this mode of practice.
The only time I apply these nosodes is either:
1/. As stated above, where there are very clear indications based on symptomology/personality (although of course this can be difficult if one has not proved these remedies)
so..2/.(i)where there is either a personal history of the actual contageous form of the disease in question, (ii) there is a very clear indication that the miasm has been acquired in a more chronic form (although this does not ALWAYS indicate the need for the respective nosode, but frequently this is the case), or (iii)if there has been a case of the disease in the patients recent family history (i.e parents or grandparents).
More often than not they will 'complete the picture' of the well indicated anti-miasmatic remedy, which we have to bare in mind is only SIMILAR to the disease in question. If the disease itslef has actually been present however, the nosode must be applied.
If anyone is interested, I am actually close to completing my first book on the subject of miasmatic disease, which is my particular sphere of interest and specialization.
If anyone would like further information (on the nature of miasmatic disease that is, I am not merely trying to sell my book, as I intend this to be circulated only amongst teaching organizations, or at least initially), this may be obtained through my website.
-Jacob.
Some good information on the Miasms above, which actually quite suprised me given the nature of some of the advice I have seen given here! (present company excluded...for the most part).
RE: Nosodes specifically, I have personally proved each of the miasmatic nosodes as many as 10 times each, and they have their own very specific personalities and indications just like any other remedy, and in my opinion should only be used where such indications are present, again just like any other remedy. Most Homoeopaths though, seem to believe they should be applied simply because the presence of a miasm is suspected, and this is most deffinitely not the case at all. In fact I have seen a great deal of harm done to patients health by this mode of practice.
The only time I apply these nosodes is either:
1/. As stated above, where there are very clear indications based on symptomology/personality (although of course this can be difficult if one has not proved these remedies)
so..2/.(i)where there is either a personal history of the actual contageous form of the disease in question, (ii) there is a very clear indication that the miasm has been acquired in a more chronic form (although this does not ALWAYS indicate the need for the respective nosode, but frequently this is the case), or (iii)if there has been a case of the disease in the patients recent family history (i.e parents or grandparents).
More often than not they will 'complete the picture' of the well indicated anti-miasmatic remedy, which we have to bare in mind is only SIMILAR to the disease in question. If the disease itslef has actually been present however, the nosode must be applied.
If anyone is interested, I am actually close to completing my first book on the subject of miasmatic disease, which is my particular sphere of interest and specialization.
If anyone would like further information (on the nature of miasmatic disease that is, I am not merely trying to sell my book, as I intend this to be circulated only amongst teaching organizations, or at least initially), this may be obtained through my website.
-Jacob.
Hahnemania last decade
Is the psorinum remedy the same thing as the nosode? Jacob, if it is the nosode, then would you think that very strongly fitting the personality mould, based upon my own observations only, would be reason enough to take this remedy? Or does that have the potential to do harm?
Thanks
Thanks
heebiejeebies last decade
Jacob,
I am very interested in reading your book. Can you please direct me to your site?
Also, question -- can remedies such as carcinosin also be considered the simillimum or are they only a temporary nosode in order to remove the miasm?
In cases of vaccine damage where the vaccine actually caused the disease, is it better to use the vaccine nosode (such as MMR) or the disease itself such as Parotidinum if the patient developed mumps and then subsequent chronic ill health? Or is it specific to the presenting symptoms? Is there a proving for MMR or is it solely used as a treatment for vaccine damage following the vaccine?
Also, I am confused ... is Sulphur considered a nosode? And if so, from what?
I am very interested in reading your book. Can you please direct me to your site?
Also, question -- can remedies such as carcinosin also be considered the simillimum or are they only a temporary nosode in order to remove the miasm?
In cases of vaccine damage where the vaccine actually caused the disease, is it better to use the vaccine nosode (such as MMR) or the disease itself such as Parotidinum if the patient developed mumps and then subsequent chronic ill health? Or is it specific to the presenting symptoms? Is there a proving for MMR or is it solely used as a treatment for vaccine damage following the vaccine?
Also, I am confused ... is Sulphur considered a nosode? And if so, from what?
busymominme last decade
QUOTE:'Book ! Okay...so thats it !!'
Again, 'sir', I would suggest you actually READ my posts before making provocative replies. I quite clearly state that my book will not be on general sale, and as such I have very little to gain from it's promotion. My only interest is in the education of miasmatic disease, which AGAIN (as you seem to have edited my post in your own mind to see what you wanted), was the reason for mentioning my work. If I was here to make money, or to promote my book, I have had ample oppurtunity to do so before now, and I would thankyou not to judge MY actions and intentions by what you yourself are capable of. You seem to revel in petty argument and making provocative remarks, I on the other hand do not, and am here to share knowledge.
Whatever makes you happy I guess ;)
-Jacob.
Again, 'sir', I would suggest you actually READ my posts before making provocative replies. I quite clearly state that my book will not be on general sale, and as such I have very little to gain from it's promotion. My only interest is in the education of miasmatic disease, which AGAIN (as you seem to have edited my post in your own mind to see what you wanted), was the reason for mentioning my work. If I was here to make money, or to promote my book, I have had ample oppurtunity to do so before now, and I would thankyou not to judge MY actions and intentions by what you yourself are capable of. You seem to revel in petty argument and making provocative remarks, I on the other hand do not, and am here to share knowledge.
Whatever makes you happy I guess ;)
-Jacob.
Hahnemania last decade
QUOTE: 'Is the psorinum remedy the same thing as the nosode? Jacob, if it is the nosode, then would you think that very strongly fitting the personality mould, based upon my own observations only, would be reason enough to take this remedy? Or does that have the potential to do harm?'
They are one and the same. The personality indications of the remedy of course are paramount, as they should be with any other remedy, and also of course it is not always easy to ascertain if there has been a recent family history of the disease (Parents may not know if grandparents had it, grandparents may have passed away, or either may be reluctant to admit to such things etc etc). However bare in mind that many remedies will fit this personality type to a greater or lesser extent, as this is one of the prerequisite for them being useful as anti-psorics to begin with. The majority of nosode cases though, in my experience, will have a personal history of the respective disease itself.
Psorinum IS slightly different to the other nosodes also, in that we are all, to a greater or lesser extent Psoric, and therefore this rules out the disease being acquired in the chronic form. So with PSORINUM, it is much more likely for the patient to have suffered with the ACTUAL disease THEMSELVES for it to be indicated.
I hope this answers your questions.
-Jacob.
They are one and the same. The personality indications of the remedy of course are paramount, as they should be with any other remedy, and also of course it is not always easy to ascertain if there has been a recent family history of the disease (Parents may not know if grandparents had it, grandparents may have passed away, or either may be reluctant to admit to such things etc etc). However bare in mind that many remedies will fit this personality type to a greater or lesser extent, as this is one of the prerequisite for them being useful as anti-psorics to begin with. The majority of nosode cases though, in my experience, will have a personal history of the respective disease itself.
Psorinum IS slightly different to the other nosodes also, in that we are all, to a greater or lesser extent Psoric, and therefore this rules out the disease being acquired in the chronic form. So with PSORINUM, it is much more likely for the patient to have suffered with the ACTUAL disease THEMSELVES for it to be indicated.
I hope this answers your questions.
-Jacob.
Hahnemania last decade
Dear busymominme.
As stated, my book will not be finished until at least the end of the year, and will only be initially circulated amongst teaching institutions, as I consider to be very muct a text book. However, after it's release, and if there is sufficient interest (as I am confident there will be) it may go on general sale at some point in the future to meet any demand.
However, I do regularly post excerpts and general information on miasmatic disease on my site etc, and the address may be found in my profile (by clicking on my name), which I have been reluctant in mentioning before as I do not know if this contravenes any rules here, but as you have asked I do not see why this should be considered a problem. Apologies to the moderator if it does.
RE: Carcinosin, firstly, Cancer itself is not actually a Miasm in the strict sense. It is only a tendency to a certain, and VERY specific personality type/symptom group, as amongst other reasons, even in those who manifest this type/group, only very very few will actually go on to develop any kind of cancer. Also of course, this tendency, manifested as type/group very often skips generations, or is not even passed on at all.
Carcinosin should therefore be considered as a remedy like no other. It is a 'constitutional' remedy of the highest order, but unlike other remedies of this nature it is also a nosode, and to an extent MAY (but not always) need to be prescribed in the same manner.
In cases of 'vaccinosis', where the patient actually manifests the symptoms of the particular disease vaccinated against, yes, the application of the nosode would be the best course of action. This presents a problem though with vaccinations such as MMR, as obviously this is a combination of pathogens, and it can be difficult to ascertain which of these has caused the problems. If there are very specific indications of one partcular disease though, you mention mumps, then there is some precedence for applying only the one nosode, but it has to be born in mind those in the MMR vaccine itself have been genetically altered by breeding them in animals, so the symptoms may not be EXACTLY the same as those which have been naturally obtained from human sources, as is the case with most of our nosodes. In the case of MMR therefore, the application of the whole combination vaccine itself may be of more benefit. As far as I am aware, there is no actual proving of this nosode as yet.
Sulphur is not a nosode, but merely a potentization of this substance. A nosode is ALWAYS a potency of an actual product of disease.
I hope this answers your questions.
-Jacob.
As stated, my book will not be finished until at least the end of the year, and will only be initially circulated amongst teaching institutions, as I consider to be very muct a text book. However, after it's release, and if there is sufficient interest (as I am confident there will be) it may go on general sale at some point in the future to meet any demand.
However, I do regularly post excerpts and general information on miasmatic disease on my site etc, and the address may be found in my profile (by clicking on my name), which I have been reluctant in mentioning before as I do not know if this contravenes any rules here, but as you have asked I do not see why this should be considered a problem. Apologies to the moderator if it does.
RE: Carcinosin, firstly, Cancer itself is not actually a Miasm in the strict sense. It is only a tendency to a certain, and VERY specific personality type/symptom group, as amongst other reasons, even in those who manifest this type/group, only very very few will actually go on to develop any kind of cancer. Also of course, this tendency, manifested as type/group very often skips generations, or is not even passed on at all.
Carcinosin should therefore be considered as a remedy like no other. It is a 'constitutional' remedy of the highest order, but unlike other remedies of this nature it is also a nosode, and to an extent MAY (but not always) need to be prescribed in the same manner.
In cases of 'vaccinosis', where the patient actually manifests the symptoms of the particular disease vaccinated against, yes, the application of the nosode would be the best course of action. This presents a problem though with vaccinations such as MMR, as obviously this is a combination of pathogens, and it can be difficult to ascertain which of these has caused the problems. If there are very specific indications of one partcular disease though, you mention mumps, then there is some precedence for applying only the one nosode, but it has to be born in mind those in the MMR vaccine itself have been genetically altered by breeding them in animals, so the symptoms may not be EXACTLY the same as those which have been naturally obtained from human sources, as is the case with most of our nosodes. In the case of MMR therefore, the application of the whole combination vaccine itself may be of more benefit. As far as I am aware, there is no actual proving of this nosode as yet.
Sulphur is not a nosode, but merely a potentization of this substance. A nosode is ALWAYS a potency of an actual product of disease.
I hope this answers your questions.
-Jacob.
Hahnemania last decade
Hi Jacob !
What makes you think that I made a provocative remark ?.......Even I would be interested in reading your book in a genuine way.
We might disagree on one matter...does not mean that we cannot have other matters of common agreement.
Pankaj Varma
What makes you think that I made a provocative remark ?.......Even I would be interested in reading your book in a genuine way.
We might disagree on one matter...does not mean that we cannot have other matters of common agreement.
Pankaj Varma
♡ PANKAJ VARMA last decade
I think it speaks for itself, and quite clearly means 'ahhh, you're promoting a book, so that's why you're here!', especially in view of your previous comments.
People can only go by what you yourself have said previously Mr Varma, which is why I always make a point of properley understanding someone before speaking out against them, and this has never let ME down yet...;)
People can only go by what you yourself have said previously Mr Varma, which is why I always make a point of properley understanding someone before speaking out against them, and this has never let ME down yet...;)
Hahnemania last decade
>Pills the size of a small >suar crystal......7 or 8
>Pills the size of a bigger >sugar crystal.....4.
Pankaj Varma...The pills I have been sent are little round balls about of about 1/2 a centimetre. How many of those should I take? I'm not really sure how they compare to the size of sugar crystals. :)
>Pills the size of a bigger >sugar crystal.....4.
Pankaj Varma...The pills I have been sent are little round balls about of about 1/2 a centimetre. How many of those should I take? I'm not really sure how they compare to the size of sugar crystals. :)
heebiejeebies last decade
>I could suggest the >following:
>On one Sunday...take a dose >of Sulphur 200C and the >following Sunday take >Psorinum 1M.
>Both meds are long acting.
>Watch progress and post feed >back...if you are following >my advice.
OK, I tried taking two of the pills in the dosage you suggested. The only thing I did notice is when I took the psorinum I had a feeling as though some weird energy had entered my body. Nothing else seems to have happened. Any ideas? Thanks
>On one Sunday...take a dose >of Sulphur 200C and the >following Sunday take >Psorinum 1M.
>Both meds are long acting.
>Watch progress and post feed >back...if you are following >my advice.
OK, I tried taking two of the pills in the dosage you suggested. The only thing I did notice is when I took the psorinum I had a feeling as though some weird energy had entered my body. Nothing else seems to have happened. Any ideas? Thanks
heebiejeebies last decade
Sometimes...with Psorinum 1M...the first indication of something happening may come after 7 days...coz it is a deep acting remedy and its action may last upto about 21 days.
So keep watching for changes.
Sulphur also is deep acting and has action over an extended period of time.
Best wishes
Pankaj Varma
So keep watching for changes.
Sulphur also is deep acting and has action over an extended period of time.
Best wishes
Pankaj Varma
♡ PANKAJ VARMA last decade
Reg. Miasms....in younger age they may lie dormant in the human body but as age grows...they have a tendency to show up in the form of disease.
In younger age also...when infections are picked up...the presence of a miasm...makes it difficult for the well chosen remedy to act on the constitution.
That is why a miasmic remedy is suggested first to be taken (after identification of the miasm)...and then the well chosen remedy advised to be taken.
Needs very good knowledge of the 'drug pictures' to be able to identify two 'drug pictures' appearing in the set of sympotms displayed....one 'drug picture'..superimposed over another 'drug picture'.
Best wishes
Pankaj Varma
In younger age also...when infections are picked up...the presence of a miasm...makes it difficult for the well chosen remedy to act on the constitution.
That is why a miasmic remedy is suggested first to be taken (after identification of the miasm)...and then the well chosen remedy advised to be taken.
Needs very good knowledge of the 'drug pictures' to be able to identify two 'drug pictures' appearing in the set of sympotms displayed....one 'drug picture'..superimposed over another 'drug picture'.
Best wishes
Pankaj Varma
♡ PANKAJ VARMA last decade
'That is why a miasmic remedy is suggested first to be taken (after identification of the miasm)...and then the well chosen remedy advised to be taken.'
Tell us Mr Varma, what is a miasmatic remedy? List a few, I am interested. And what is it which makes them 'anti-miasmatics', as we call them?
For other readers, in the vast majority of cases, the well indicated remedy and the anti-miasmatic, are one and the same. One does not, except in a small proportion of cases (the need for nosodes being an example), need to apply two seperate remedies to affect cure.
-Jacob.
Tell us Mr Varma, what is a miasmatic remedy? List a few, I am interested. And what is it which makes them 'anti-miasmatics', as we call them?
For other readers, in the vast majority of cases, the well indicated remedy and the anti-miasmatic, are one and the same. One does not, except in a small proportion of cases (the need for nosodes being an example), need to apply two seperate remedies to affect cure.
-Jacob.
Hahnemania last decade
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