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To Pankaj
Throughout the past 25 years of my conversion to Homeopathy which I refused to accept originally as it seemed to me to be so very illogical at that time, I have often wondered what the reason was for this conflict raging within the ranks of the Homeopathic fraternity between the Classical and Non Classical streams.
I do not have sufficient evidence to prove or disprove the relative merits of either stream but when I evaluate fairly the cures that both streams have succeeded in effecting, it seems to me from my own observations, that the Non classical approach which is practiced by the large majority of practicing Homeopaths in the Indian Subcontinent seems to be the winner. It is only too obvious that those who see over 25 patients on a daily basis could not possibly use the classical system complete with the inevitable case taking procedure which usually ends up with the patient being prescribed a constitutional remedy which invariably leads to the poor suffering patient's ailment from going from bad to worse. This is perhaps the ploy that is used by the classical types to ensure that the patient is compelled to visit the classical homeopath on a weekly basis and of course certain financial considerations also come into the equation. And classical homeopaths do not come cheap.
The direct allopathic method that I, in common with the large majority of homeopaths use, is usually almost immediate in its effect on the patient. Reference to the many posts of grateful patients on the ABC who have benefitted, will testify to the efficacy of my therapy. As you are aware I have not made any financial gains out of my practice, as to me Homeopathy is only a Hobby to which I am dedicated and hopefully will be for the rest of my life, at age 77 for as long as I am able.
I believe that it is my originality which I have observed throughout my life, and this does not only include Homeopathy, that has helped me in my own brand of treatment which has been derisively termed 'Joepathy' but this term seem to have stuck as is evident from members using it to qualify my direct approach to Homeopathy which has resulted in some cures which even I often wonder at. It is just the fact that I am convinced that the good God has blessed me with the gift of discovery that I refuse to be sidetracked by those who wish to pontificate on their own classical concept of homeopathy which does not seem to ever get off the ground due to the constraints of the classical system that is ingrained in the majority of those who are qualified who are brainwashed into accepting that there is no salvation except through the classical approach.
I believe that it is just the fact that I have not suffered by qualifying, which in any case I could not do as I was primarily interested in my business undertakings, that prompted me to use existing Homeopathic remedies for ailments which were never used before like Arnica for Diabetes and Eczema and Nat Phos for GERD to name just two for which patients have spent millions to achieve what to me seems a simple cure. I am aware that many classical types have warned the patients who were cured of impending doom as a result of my therapy and I have often emphasized in my posts that up to date there never has been any fulfillment of their prophesies.
I believe that it is just this form of narrow mindedness and also more important, the distortion of facts pertaining to cures that result in the use of the non classical therapy that I promote, that puzzles the patient and also makes him wonder which system he should use. Fortunately for him, there exist a few Homeoapthic forums like the ABC, the new Homeopathy and More and the NCH which the patient can access and post his ailment in the hope of a cure free of any cost. The others like the Otherhealth and Hpathy are the exclusive hunting ground of the classical homeopaths who like to live in their own dreamworld with their theories and remedies which usually do not help the patient as can be seen by visiting them.
It is the obvious pretense that they promote that I abhor and it is my hope that they too will open their classical eyes and at least consider the relative merits of the non classical therapy that I use which has resulted in almost all cases of a successful resolution of the ailment which in many cases has also lead to a cure.
Joe De Livera
Throughout the past 25 years of my conversion to Homeopathy which I refused to accept originally as it seemed to me to be so very illogical at that time, I have often wondered what the reason was for this conflict raging within the ranks of the Homeopathic fraternity between the Classical and Non Classical streams.
I do not have sufficient evidence to prove or disprove the relative merits of either stream but when I evaluate fairly the cures that both streams have succeeded in effecting, it seems to me from my own observations, that the Non classical approach which is practiced by the large majority of practicing Homeopaths in the Indian Subcontinent seems to be the winner. It is only too obvious that those who see over 25 patients on a daily basis could not possibly use the classical system complete with the inevitable case taking procedure which usually ends up with the patient being prescribed a constitutional remedy which invariably leads to the poor suffering patient's ailment from going from bad to worse. This is perhaps the ploy that is used by the classical types to ensure that the patient is compelled to visit the classical homeopath on a weekly basis and of course certain financial considerations also come into the equation. And classical homeopaths do not come cheap.
The direct allopathic method that I, in common with the large majority of homeopaths use, is usually almost immediate in its effect on the patient. Reference to the many posts of grateful patients on the ABC who have benefitted, will testify to the efficacy of my therapy. As you are aware I have not made any financial gains out of my practice, as to me Homeopathy is only a Hobby to which I am dedicated and hopefully will be for the rest of my life, at age 77 for as long as I am able.
I believe that it is my originality which I have observed throughout my life, and this does not only include Homeopathy, that has helped me in my own brand of treatment which has been derisively termed 'Joepathy' but this term seem to have stuck as is evident from members using it to qualify my direct approach to Homeopathy which has resulted in some cures which even I often wonder at. It is just the fact that I am convinced that the good God has blessed me with the gift of discovery that I refuse to be sidetracked by those who wish to pontificate on their own classical concept of homeopathy which does not seem to ever get off the ground due to the constraints of the classical system that is ingrained in the majority of those who are qualified who are brainwashed into accepting that there is no salvation except through the classical approach.
I believe that it is just the fact that I have not suffered by qualifying, which in any case I could not do as I was primarily interested in my business undertakings, that prompted me to use existing Homeopathic remedies for ailments which were never used before like Arnica for Diabetes and Eczema and Nat Phos for GERD to name just two for which patients have spent millions to achieve what to me seems a simple cure. I am aware that many classical types have warned the patients who were cured of impending doom as a result of my therapy and I have often emphasized in my posts that up to date there never has been any fulfillment of their prophesies.
I believe that it is just this form of narrow mindedness and also more important, the distortion of facts pertaining to cures that result in the use of the non classical therapy that I promote, that puzzles the patient and also makes him wonder which system he should use. Fortunately for him, there exist a few Homeoapthic forums like the ABC, the new Homeopathy and More and the NCH which the patient can access and post his ailment in the hope of a cure free of any cost. The others like the Otherhealth and Hpathy are the exclusive hunting ground of the classical homeopaths who like to live in their own dreamworld with their theories and remedies which usually do not help the patient as can be seen by visiting them.
It is the obvious pretense that they promote that I abhor and it is my hope that they too will open their classical eyes and at least consider the relative merits of the non classical therapy that I use which has resulted in almost all cases of a successful resolution of the ailment which in many cases has also lead to a cure.
Joe De Livera
♡ Joe De Livera last decade
♡ PANKAJ VARMA last decade
Dear Mr Varma,
'The world believes in statistical data and its analysis to 'confirm' or 'deny' a hypothesis.'
Unless of course such things were actually carried out before such modern statistical models were formulated, which of course they were. Is there a modern statistical analysis which proves Homoeopathy actually DOES work? There is not, but this does not mean that it doesn't, OR detract from the fact you yourself subscribe (allbeit loosely) to it's methods.
'You are your self confirming that nothing of the kind has been done in the field of homeopathy.'
See above.
'Until then ...all will remain as 'hypothesis' and cannot be termed as 'Law'.....even though some people might call it 'Laws of Homeopathy'...they are truly 'Hypothesis of Homeopathy'.'
The LAWS of Homoeopathy, which are for the most part merely laws of nature, are not something you can be MADE to understand, you either 'get' them (if you've actually studied them that is)...or you don't, it really is that simple, and those who do not 'get' them, simply choose to ignore them, much in the same way allopathy ignores the entire subject, as they do not understand how it works.
'To give it the status of a Law.....a sufficiently large 'population' of patients will have to be recorded....a 'representative sample' of the same will have to be taken (the two have a co-relation under the subject of statistics). The result analysed and then if it confirms the hypothesis...it can be called a Law.'
Again, see first paragraph.
'Furthermore, it wold be required that the Survey is done in different geographical zones....to make it a honest survey and its findings.'
Again, as it has, as such things have been observed by every classical Homoeopath in every country it which Homoeopathy is practiced all over the world, for 200 years, and while I commend you and your adherence to 'modern' scientific doctrine and idealogy, 200 years fo experience, as observed by thousands, even hundreds of thousands of individuals cannot be discounted with the mere wave of a hand.
-Jacob.
'The world believes in statistical data and its analysis to 'confirm' or 'deny' a hypothesis.'
Unless of course such things were actually carried out before such modern statistical models were formulated, which of course they were. Is there a modern statistical analysis which proves Homoeopathy actually DOES work? There is not, but this does not mean that it doesn't, OR detract from the fact you yourself subscribe (allbeit loosely) to it's methods.
'You are your self confirming that nothing of the kind has been done in the field of homeopathy.'
See above.
'Until then ...all will remain as 'hypothesis' and cannot be termed as 'Law'.....even though some people might call it 'Laws of Homeopathy'...they are truly 'Hypothesis of Homeopathy'.'
The LAWS of Homoeopathy, which are for the most part merely laws of nature, are not something you can be MADE to understand, you either 'get' them (if you've actually studied them that is)...or you don't, it really is that simple, and those who do not 'get' them, simply choose to ignore them, much in the same way allopathy ignores the entire subject, as they do not understand how it works.
'To give it the status of a Law.....a sufficiently large 'population' of patients will have to be recorded....a 'representative sample' of the same will have to be taken (the two have a co-relation under the subject of statistics). The result analysed and then if it confirms the hypothesis...it can be called a Law.'
Again, see first paragraph.
'Furthermore, it wold be required that the Survey is done in different geographical zones....to make it a honest survey and its findings.'
Again, as it has, as such things have been observed by every classical Homoeopath in every country it which Homoeopathy is practiced all over the world, for 200 years, and while I commend you and your adherence to 'modern' scientific doctrine and idealogy, 200 years fo experience, as observed by thousands, even hundreds of thousands of individuals cannot be discounted with the mere wave of a hand.
-Jacob.
Hahnemania last decade
I have no idea if any of Mr Livera's 972947293479237498372942 words above contained anything which pertained to me directly, as this is far too much to be sensibly posted as a single comment in my opinion, and from merely skimming over a few paragraphs it seems to be filled with nothing but the usual self-appraisal and delusional paranoia of the 'classical band of brothers' (!!) being out to get him for his...'pioneering work' -rolls eyes- anyway, which is of no real interest to me, or serves any real purpose, so I'll just respond with a good old 'Thumbs up!'
-Jacob.
-Jacob.
-Jacob.
-Jacob.
Hahnemania last decade
My very last word on this subject, as such discourse is obviously totally unproductive, and therefore not worth continuing.
http://www.abchomeopathy.com/forum2.php/81071/4
Best wishes.
-Jacob.
http://www.abchomeopathy.com/forum2.php/81071/4
Best wishes.
-Jacob.
Hahnemania last decade
♡ PANKAJ VARMA last decade
Dear Simon Broadlay (Moderator),
Since yesterday I am having this 'churning feeling in my stomach'...after reading all the posts here ...that some guys are here not to help others....but to disrupt ABC Forum.....either out of jealousy or for commercial reasons. And they are acting in concert.
Best wishes,
Pankaj Varma
Since yesterday I am having this 'churning feeling in my stomach'...after reading all the posts here ...that some guys are here not to help others....but to disrupt ABC Forum.....either out of jealousy or for commercial reasons. And they are acting in concert.
Best wishes,
Pankaj Varma
♡ PANKAJ VARMA last decade
Dear Simon,
Don't you think this sort of comment from Jacob Scott has transgressed all norms of decency.
It has been posted by him on
're: mr varma, mr livera...'
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I have nothing further to say to you, you are a laughable jackass, no more, no less.
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I thought he went to a decent School ...seems totally otherwise.
And it is a gross misrepresentation and a manipulation ..when so many people are appreciating my helpful insights into homeopathy.
One can have a difference of opinion..but indecent behaviour...can you tolerate ????
Will it add to the prestige of your Forum??
Best wishes
Pankaj Varma
Don't you think this sort of comment from Jacob Scott has transgressed all norms of decency.
It has been posted by him on
're: mr varma, mr livera...'
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I have nothing further to say to you, you are a laughable jackass, no more, no less.
Unquote
I thought he went to a decent School ...seems totally otherwise.
And it is a gross misrepresentation and a manipulation ..when so many people are appreciating my helpful insights into homeopathy.
One can have a difference of opinion..but indecent behaviour...can you tolerate ????
Will it add to the prestige of your Forum??
Best wishes
Pankaj Varma
♡ PANKAJ VARMA last decade
Haha, oh the irony, and still he attempts to appear innocent, what an absolute fool.
It is YOU sir which transgresses all norms of decency. You are a liar, and a manipulator, and unlike you, I could not care less if your attempts to now enlist the moderator into your warped sense of reality while appearing like some saintly figure, result in my being banned from this forum or not, it is not MY vehicle for personal empowerment, it is yours ;)
It is YOU sir which transgresses all norms of decency. You are a liar, and a manipulator, and unlike you, I could not care less if your attempts to now enlist the moderator into your warped sense of reality while appearing like some saintly figure, result in my being banned from this forum or not, it is not MY vehicle for personal empowerment, it is yours ;)
Hahnemania last decade
Acting in concert????
This statement alone shows how biased you are really.
Jacob and me are two individuals with our own sets of priorities.
If we happen to expose the hollowness of your 'art' argument, does it amount to acting in concert?
What do you expect the moderator to do? Ban me and Jacob from this forum, so that you can be the king of this forum without any distractions?
Your complaining to moderator is childish, to put it very mildly.
Murthy
This statement alone shows how biased you are really.
Jacob and me are two individuals with our own sets of priorities.
If we happen to expose the hollowness of your 'art' argument, does it amount to acting in concert?
What do you expect the moderator to do? Ban me and Jacob from this forum, so that you can be the king of this forum without any distractions?
Your complaining to moderator is childish, to put it very mildly.
Murthy
bandarbabu2000 last decade
My God!!
This war on this most popular homeopathic forum refuses to die.I shall try once again to bring about a truce.
Dear Pankaj, it seems to me that your treating an experienced homeopath like Jacob with disrespect, who is quite well known and respected in internet homeopathic circles has caused him to adopt such a harsh tone with you.For a person with spiritual aspirations like you, this will only cause you to become more and more angry and lose your primary focus of helping the people here.Murthy is also a serious homeopathic lover very highly regarded for his integrity and knowledge of homeopathic philosophy.I personally respect him very much.I cannot imagine people such as this doing anything immoral just to disrupt this forum or to humiliate you.That is why it is very important to always use decent and respectful language while addressing fellow homeopaths on these forums.That way we learn from one another and help the people better.Just imagine what kind of image this pitched battle is projecting of the state of homeopathy to the common people who come to this forum for solutions.
I seriously think that you should read at least the 4th, 5th and 6th editions of Organon, The Chronic Diseases, and books by Vithoulkas such as The Science of Homeopathy and by Schepper as i mentioned earlier.That would enable you to serve the people better and to engage in a more enriching debate with the 'classical homeopaths' like Jacob, Murthy, Myself and others.If you have read some of these books, then my apologies.
Rajiv
This war on this most popular homeopathic forum refuses to die.I shall try once again to bring about a truce.
Dear Pankaj, it seems to me that your treating an experienced homeopath like Jacob with disrespect, who is quite well known and respected in internet homeopathic circles has caused him to adopt such a harsh tone with you.For a person with spiritual aspirations like you, this will only cause you to become more and more angry and lose your primary focus of helping the people here.Murthy is also a serious homeopathic lover very highly regarded for his integrity and knowledge of homeopathic philosophy.I personally respect him very much.I cannot imagine people such as this doing anything immoral just to disrupt this forum or to humiliate you.That is why it is very important to always use decent and respectful language while addressing fellow homeopaths on these forums.That way we learn from one another and help the people better.Just imagine what kind of image this pitched battle is projecting of the state of homeopathy to the common people who come to this forum for solutions.
I seriously think that you should read at least the 4th, 5th and 6th editions of Organon, The Chronic Diseases, and books by Vithoulkas such as The Science of Homeopathy and by Schepper as i mentioned earlier.That would enable you to serve the people better and to engage in a more enriching debate with the 'classical homeopaths' like Jacob, Murthy, Myself and others.If you have read some of these books, then my apologies.
Rajiv
♡ rajivprasad last decade
Dear Rajiv,
If Jacob is a 'respected' homeopath...then he shouldn't be manking indecent remarks.
These are
Jacob's derogatory words:
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I have nothing further to say to you, you are a laughable jackass, no more, no less.
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As far as reading the books you are mentioning...I have read the books and many more.
Actually my way of working is based on the homeopathic philosophy of a very well known and respected Homeopath of yester years....one who developed a skill over the hypothesis propounded by Dr. Samuel Hanhemann.
That method is also based on following teh 'Law of Similars'.
More importantly ...the method gives results. The method is visible to a homeopath who might have seen many of my past posts where I have done a detailed case taking.
I cannot be educating Jacob and Murthy with that way..after the pile of insults they have heaped on me. And... they seem to be so fixed in their ideas...doubt if their minds are open to a different way of thinking.
Forum is meant to express different points of view...but not to insult others.
He who uses insulting languge...is showing his low class.
Best regards,
Pankaj Varma
If Jacob is a 'respected' homeopath...then he shouldn't be manking indecent remarks.
These are
Jacob's derogatory words:
Quote
I have nothing further to say to you, you are a laughable jackass, no more, no less.
Unquote
As far as reading the books you are mentioning...I have read the books and many more.
Actually my way of working is based on the homeopathic philosophy of a very well known and respected Homeopath of yester years....one who developed a skill over the hypothesis propounded by Dr. Samuel Hanhemann.
That method is also based on following teh 'Law of Similars'.
More importantly ...the method gives results. The method is visible to a homeopath who might have seen many of my past posts where I have done a detailed case taking.
I cannot be educating Jacob and Murthy with that way..after the pile of insults they have heaped on me. And... they seem to be so fixed in their ideas...doubt if their minds are open to a different way of thinking.
Forum is meant to express different points of view...but not to insult others.
He who uses insulting languge...is showing his low class.
Best regards,
Pankaj Varma
♡ PANKAJ VARMA last decade
Who started insulting? Look at these posts.
Murthy,
Just sermonising will not help.
Take up cases and do the case taking and prescribing....as you are preaching.
Let people say you are good !! Rather than self praise.
See the long list of people waiting to get advice here on ABC.
If you have a point of view on homeoapthy...make it by all means and let the readers decide.
But , don't stand on a pedestal and find faults with others. That comes from insecurity and lack of faith in your own ability.
and this...
He he he he...he ....Murty!
By those standards Joe De Levira , at the age of 77 years, should be a crippled man ...coz he is taking a dose of Arnica everyday for 10 years.
The rule you are mentioning doesn't apply to all meds...only to few specific meds.
Great way to mislead and scare people who have limited knowledge of homeopathy.
(Sorry Joe...no offence meant to you).
Pankaj Varma
Insults whether they are polished or crude are in the same class.
Please refrain from attacking the classical homeopaths and get on with your service.
Enough is enough.
The hollowness,if any, of the prescriptions will be exposed.
This is the service I am going to render to the patients.
Murthy
Murthy,
Just sermonising will not help.
Take up cases and do the case taking and prescribing....as you are preaching.
Let people say you are good !! Rather than self praise.
See the long list of people waiting to get advice here on ABC.
If you have a point of view on homeoapthy...make it by all means and let the readers decide.
But , don't stand on a pedestal and find faults with others. That comes from insecurity and lack of faith in your own ability.
and this...
He he he he...he ....Murty!
By those standards Joe De Levira , at the age of 77 years, should be a crippled man ...coz he is taking a dose of Arnica everyday for 10 years.
The rule you are mentioning doesn't apply to all meds...only to few specific meds.
Great way to mislead and scare people who have limited knowledge of homeopathy.
(Sorry Joe...no offence meant to you).
Pankaj Varma
Insults whether they are polished or crude are in the same class.
Please refrain from attacking the classical homeopaths and get on with your service.
Enough is enough.
The hollowness,if any, of the prescriptions will be exposed.
This is the service I am going to render to the patients.
Murthy
bandarbabu2000 last decade
Can you mention the name of the homeopath for my knowledge and books if any written by him/her.Is it Dr.Maganbhai Desai by any chance, who believed in frequent repetitions of even high potency remedies in very chronic cases and had some miraculous cures with this method.This success had forced even Dr.P. Sankaran to conduct experiments with more frequent repetitions.I am aware of Dr.Desai and his work.
But, if it is someone else then i would like to know.
Now for the sake of encouraging further discussion which compels everyone involved to study more and harder, i would now quote from the great Indian homeopath Dr. Koppikar (whom the greatest (arguably) Indian homeopath Rajan Sankaran regards as one of his teachers).
In his fantastic book, 'Clinical Experiences of 70 Years in Homoeopathy' there is a chapter called 'Repetition Of The Same Low Potency For Years' starting on page 187.Now i quote:
' A letter from a gentleman from Delhi has prompted this article.
Dear Doctor,
My wife was under treatment (off and on) from 1975 to 1979, when we moved to Delhi. After coming she had a recurrence in 1980 - for which she got relief after getting medicines from your assistant.' (The complaint was filarial lymphangitis with swelling which was relieved.)
'She did not have her monthly period since middle of March, 1982. Now (June '82) a pregnancy test taken is positive.'
'She has not taken any medicine allopathic or Homoeopathic all these years except Aurum Mur. Nat. 6X REGULARLY as prescribed by you in November 1979. She is now 42 years old and, is pregnant for the FIRST TIME since our marriage, 15 years ago'.
She delivered normal and extremely healthy boy.
I (Koppikar) give some more related interesting cases:
* Mr. K.M.Rao, age 72, had developed rheumatism; all major joints being affected.There was a peculiarity of a reddish rash, slightly itching and burning around each affected joint, though looking like tired and jaded, he was healthy with regular appetite and good evacuations.Not chilly. As he was moving out of Madras for a few months, I suggested him to buy Sulphur 6 and take it daily once or twice (if needed). I saw him roughly once in 2 or 3 years, for 10 or 12 years.He used to tell me of remarks of his friends, 'Mamuji' how are you becoming younger all the time? Do you take any Kaya-Kalpa (For benefit of non-Indian readers, Kaya Kalpa means a total rejuvenation of the mind and body after which a person becomes young again.The great Indian yogis are reputed to be adept in this and many other esoteric techniques.There are supposedly yogis in the higher reaches of Himalayas who are over a few hundred years old, who are masters of such techniques.)
He mentions another case of hopeless gangrene where the patient took Carbo Veg. 30 daily for 6-7 years and got back his health completely.
Then Dr.Koppikar says that he thinks any comments on these miracles is superfluous.He only marvels at the persistence of the lady who conceived at teh age of 42, when all specialists had told her she was born with 'Infantile Uterus'.
Then Dr.Koppikar asks, 'If millesimal potency repetition is permitted, why not of the ordinary C potencies?'
I quoted this at length only to provoke further studies and research so that we can explain the scientific reason behind the successes such as these and the case of Joe.Why Arnica is working a miracle in the case of Joe? Why is a proving which is so feared not happening in his case?Homeopathy will only become richer and a bit less complex, if someone could give a valid answer.
I was personally very impressed with Dr.Schepper's books and consider him an absolute master.I really request all the homeopaths to read his books.
With sincere regards to all.
Pankaj.
But, if it is someone else then i would like to know.
Now for the sake of encouraging further discussion which compels everyone involved to study more and harder, i would now quote from the great Indian homeopath Dr. Koppikar (whom the greatest (arguably) Indian homeopath Rajan Sankaran regards as one of his teachers).
In his fantastic book, 'Clinical Experiences of 70 Years in Homoeopathy' there is a chapter called 'Repetition Of The Same Low Potency For Years' starting on page 187.Now i quote:
' A letter from a gentleman from Delhi has prompted this article.
Dear Doctor,
My wife was under treatment (off and on) from 1975 to 1979, when we moved to Delhi. After coming she had a recurrence in 1980 - for which she got relief after getting medicines from your assistant.' (The complaint was filarial lymphangitis with swelling which was relieved.)
'She did not have her monthly period since middle of March, 1982. Now (June '82) a pregnancy test taken is positive.'
'She has not taken any medicine allopathic or Homoeopathic all these years except Aurum Mur. Nat. 6X REGULARLY as prescribed by you in November 1979. She is now 42 years old and, is pregnant for the FIRST TIME since our marriage, 15 years ago'.
She delivered normal and extremely healthy boy.
I (Koppikar) give some more related interesting cases:
* Mr. K.M.Rao, age 72, had developed rheumatism; all major joints being affected.There was a peculiarity of a reddish rash, slightly itching and burning around each affected joint, though looking like tired and jaded, he was healthy with regular appetite and good evacuations.Not chilly. As he was moving out of Madras for a few months, I suggested him to buy Sulphur 6 and take it daily once or twice (if needed). I saw him roughly once in 2 or 3 years, for 10 or 12 years.He used to tell me of remarks of his friends, 'Mamuji' how are you becoming younger all the time? Do you take any Kaya-Kalpa (For benefit of non-Indian readers, Kaya Kalpa means a total rejuvenation of the mind and body after which a person becomes young again.The great Indian yogis are reputed to be adept in this and many other esoteric techniques.There are supposedly yogis in the higher reaches of Himalayas who are over a few hundred years old, who are masters of such techniques.)
He mentions another case of hopeless gangrene where the patient took Carbo Veg. 30 daily for 6-7 years and got back his health completely.
Then Dr.Koppikar says that he thinks any comments on these miracles is superfluous.He only marvels at the persistence of the lady who conceived at teh age of 42, when all specialists had told her she was born with 'Infantile Uterus'.
Then Dr.Koppikar asks, 'If millesimal potency repetition is permitted, why not of the ordinary C potencies?'
I quoted this at length only to provoke further studies and research so that we can explain the scientific reason behind the successes such as these and the case of Joe.Why Arnica is working a miracle in the case of Joe? Why is a proving which is so feared not happening in his case?Homeopathy will only become richer and a bit less complex, if someone could give a valid answer.
I was personally very impressed with Dr.Schepper's books and consider him an absolute master.I really request all the homeopaths to read his books.
With sincere regards to all.
Pankaj.
♡ rajivprasad last decade
Hi Rajiv
You signed your name as Pankaj?
Sometimes people with aliases get caught this way inadvertantly.
I feel you are not Pankaj. Or is it a case of Dr.Jeckle and Mr.Hide?
HAha..(No smileys here..)
Murthy
You signed your name as Pankaj?
Sometimes people with aliases get caught this way inadvertantly.
I feel you are not Pankaj. Or is it a case of Dr.Jeckle and Mr.Hide?
HAha..(No smileys here..)
Murthy
bandarbabu2000 last decade
My God!!
What a typo i have made?Instead of signing my name i have written Pankaj's name.This perhaps tells how engrossed i have become in this debate.
Rajiv
What a typo i have made?Instead of signing my name i have written Pankaj's name.This perhaps tells how engrossed i have become in this debate.
Rajiv
♡ rajivprasad last decade
Dear Mr. Murthy,
Our posts crossed.I don't have any aliases.I am a very straightforward person as perhaps you will vouch for me.I know that you will be the last person to doubt my integrity.
Personally, i feel a certain affinity for those who try to help others and that is the reason for my involvement in this debate.I do not want people like Pankaj and Joe to stop contributing at this forum.I only wish that they respect the fundamental laws of homeopathy and where they are innovating, to cite their experiences of past successful cases, the chief indications for prescribing, what happened in those cases, how the symptoms progressed, did they obey Hering's laws, was the cure permanent, for how many years did the person remain cured etc.Also, in case where they are inspired by some famous homeopath who differs in his approach from Hahnemann, like Pankaj claimed here, I would want them to tell his/her name, the books, articles etc. that they wrote, so that we can also read them and learn from them.
I believe that Homeopathy is a vast ocean and there are a number of treatment styles that have proved successful.Hahnemann was himself experimenting with posology all his life.There is no harm in experimenting.But it should be on one's own person or close family or those who are willing to allow such experiments.The actual patients should be only subjected to the treatment method that is the best in one's knowledge, justified by standard homeopathic literature and safest.Here, i would like to cite the example of Alize Timmerman, who is a strong proponent of the new C4 potency scale, which is supposed to be even more powerful and quicker than the LM potencies.Successful cases under thes new potencies are now mounting under modern literature.
Of course, the honesty, seriousness and intention of the homeopath is absolutely necessary for all this.I also tend to think that if one has the stuff, it always comes out in the end.Water finds its own level.I personally am a perfectionist and believe in constant study and learning.Humility is the most important attribute that any true student of life needs.All homeopaths need to be students of life as it is the nature which cures.The remedy only acts as a stimulus to the natural force dwelling within the body.So by definition, homeopaths need to be humble.Even if you are the greatest homeopath in the world, you need to be humble and polite.
I hope these contributions from me forces all to think and study and share more.That is going to benefit us all.
Rajiv
Our posts crossed.I don't have any aliases.I am a very straightforward person as perhaps you will vouch for me.I know that you will be the last person to doubt my integrity.
Personally, i feel a certain affinity for those who try to help others and that is the reason for my involvement in this debate.I do not want people like Pankaj and Joe to stop contributing at this forum.I only wish that they respect the fundamental laws of homeopathy and where they are innovating, to cite their experiences of past successful cases, the chief indications for prescribing, what happened in those cases, how the symptoms progressed, did they obey Hering's laws, was the cure permanent, for how many years did the person remain cured etc.Also, in case where they are inspired by some famous homeopath who differs in his approach from Hahnemann, like Pankaj claimed here, I would want them to tell his/her name, the books, articles etc. that they wrote, so that we can also read them and learn from them.
I believe that Homeopathy is a vast ocean and there are a number of treatment styles that have proved successful.Hahnemann was himself experimenting with posology all his life.There is no harm in experimenting.But it should be on one's own person or close family or those who are willing to allow such experiments.The actual patients should be only subjected to the treatment method that is the best in one's knowledge, justified by standard homeopathic literature and safest.Here, i would like to cite the example of Alize Timmerman, who is a strong proponent of the new C4 potency scale, which is supposed to be even more powerful and quicker than the LM potencies.Successful cases under thes new potencies are now mounting under modern literature.
Of course, the honesty, seriousness and intention of the homeopath is absolutely necessary for all this.I also tend to think that if one has the stuff, it always comes out in the end.Water finds its own level.I personally am a perfectionist and believe in constant study and learning.Humility is the most important attribute that any true student of life needs.All homeopaths need to be students of life as it is the nature which cures.The remedy only acts as a stimulus to the natural force dwelling within the body.So by definition, homeopaths need to be humble.Even if you are the greatest homeopath in the world, you need to be humble and polite.
I hope these contributions from me forces all to think and study and share more.That is going to benefit us all.
Rajiv
♡ rajivprasad last decade
Haha, a bad typo indeed!
And thankyou Rajiv for your kind words and support.
I have tried my very best to be diplomatic with the person above, who has done nothing but manipulate my words and make snide, underhand, and ambiguous comments (which he thinks no one else has noticed, which of course they have), so yes, this is indeed why I have adopted such a direct atitude to him now.
I will be fair and give anyone my time and respect if they show the same toward me and if they play by the rules of common decency, but this person has shown nothing but his ability to be insultive, underhand, and manipulative from my very first post here, and I simply will not waste any more of my time on such a dishonest and obviously very spiritually bereft individual.
My apologies to all if my retaliation has disrupted the purpose of this forum in any way, but I will simply not sit back and allow someone to behave in such a manner toward me.
-Jacob.
And thankyou Rajiv for your kind words and support.
I have tried my very best to be diplomatic with the person above, who has done nothing but manipulate my words and make snide, underhand, and ambiguous comments (which he thinks no one else has noticed, which of course they have), so yes, this is indeed why I have adopted such a direct atitude to him now.
I will be fair and give anyone my time and respect if they show the same toward me and if they play by the rules of common decency, but this person has shown nothing but his ability to be insultive, underhand, and manipulative from my very first post here, and I simply will not waste any more of my time on such a dishonest and obviously very spiritually bereft individual.
My apologies to all if my retaliation has disrupted the purpose of this forum in any way, but I will simply not sit back and allow someone to behave in such a manner toward me.
-Jacob.
Hahnemania last decade
To Murthy,
You will observe that I have stayed out of the present controversy as it has taken a very ugly turn today with members descending to the lowest depths that I have ever witnessed since I first joined the ABC over 3 years ago. I have done so as I just cannot afford to waste my time in posting to support Pankaj whose viewpoint coincides with mine and whom I support. It is indeed a great pity that a new member decided to question both me and Pankaj with his own concept of homeopathy which I do not accept as being possible without the aid of Homeopathic software like Radar which I too use occasionally when I am faced with a difficult case.
The reason why I decided to break my silence and to post today is because you have mentioned my name and the fact that I have taken Arnica for over 11 years as being a good example of the negation of the danger that a patient is expected to exposes himself to by taking any remedy on a daily basis. You may like to know that I have taken Arnica since early 1996, on a nightly basis while at the beginning of my therapy I used it 3 times daily to help to keep my waterworks flowing for 6 years prior to my Prostatectomy after which I stopped it only to discover that I was feeling really down and out and was also attracting endless Styes and Chalazions on my eyelids on a weekly basis which I had to have surgically scooped out. I then decided to use Arnica 30c in the wet dose since 2003 nightly, and I have no doubt whatever that it is the Arnica that keeps me in the state of health that I am now in with my BP at 120/80 and Pulse at 65. My Blood chemistry is also at normal levels and I do not have any aches or pains commensurate with my advanced years. I decided once again to verify if it was just my imagination that was making me believe that Arnica was helping me and decided to stop it for 3 weeks and discovered that in the first week I was feeling uncomfortable and not my usual self. In the second week I discovered that my BP was creeping up and in the third I was distinctly creaking and feeling my age. I then restarted the nightly dosage and quickly returned to my usual sense of wellness.
The point that I wish to emphasize is that even though you and other classical homeopaths, and this includes Dr Luc de Schepper whom I had the honour of hosting in my home for a brief period before he was taken by me to the Tsunami affected areas and when he was returning to the USA, consider that taking a remedy on a daily basis as I now do can be dangerous, it has really never been so. Luc too was very surprised that I had been a willing guinea pig for Arnica and I had by that time proved to myself that this remedy did not by any means cause any distress in accordance with Homeopathic rules which frown on the daily use of any remedy. I tried to persuade Luc to have some tests done in the US as he has a vast following there and could easily have carried out a test for a few months but his classical training stood in the way and nothing was done.
I have been able to persuade a few friends to test it out themselves in the manner that I use it and they have invariably reported that they slept more deeply and felt very much better on the day after the first dose which I recommend be taken just before sleep. Many of these test cases have also reported that when they miss a dose they do not feel a well as they do when they take it on a daily basis.
I believe that there is a lot of good that classical homeopaths can learn from my own research and it is only a pity that I am often derided in my efforts to make the results known to others which I have done freely as they feel that without that piece of paper to prove that I am qualified in Homeopathy, all the information that I have collated throughout the past 25 years of my involvement with homeopathy is to them, just a lot of errant nonsense. I am confident that time will prove that my methods too are equally effective in helping to cure a patient as the classical methods are with one advantage for mine which is that the patients whom I have treated for diseases like GERD, Asthma, Diabetes and Eczema, to name just 4 have invariable been helped and in many cases cured of their ailments in record time in contrast to the classical method that some had used for years before they were treated by me with some startling results. I do not mean to belittle the efforts that you and other classically trained homeopaths use in the treatment of patients but I would like you to know that there has indeed been some method in my 'madness' as it is the patient's cure that is paramount in the mind of any responsible homeopath irrespective of the method that he used to deliver the goods.
I am willing to concede that that other remedies may perhaps not be able to be used in this manner on a daily basis but I can reassure anyone who would like to use Arnica in the manner that I have done, that it can be considered a Life Saver and it is also possible that it can be considered the nearest contender to the title of the 'Fountain of Youth' that people have often been thinking about.
Joe De Livera
You will observe that I have stayed out of the present controversy as it has taken a very ugly turn today with members descending to the lowest depths that I have ever witnessed since I first joined the ABC over 3 years ago. I have done so as I just cannot afford to waste my time in posting to support Pankaj whose viewpoint coincides with mine and whom I support. It is indeed a great pity that a new member decided to question both me and Pankaj with his own concept of homeopathy which I do not accept as being possible without the aid of Homeopathic software like Radar which I too use occasionally when I am faced with a difficult case.
The reason why I decided to break my silence and to post today is because you have mentioned my name and the fact that I have taken Arnica for over 11 years as being a good example of the negation of the danger that a patient is expected to exposes himself to by taking any remedy on a daily basis. You may like to know that I have taken Arnica since early 1996, on a nightly basis while at the beginning of my therapy I used it 3 times daily to help to keep my waterworks flowing for 6 years prior to my Prostatectomy after which I stopped it only to discover that I was feeling really down and out and was also attracting endless Styes and Chalazions on my eyelids on a weekly basis which I had to have surgically scooped out. I then decided to use Arnica 30c in the wet dose since 2003 nightly, and I have no doubt whatever that it is the Arnica that keeps me in the state of health that I am now in with my BP at 120/80 and Pulse at 65. My Blood chemistry is also at normal levels and I do not have any aches or pains commensurate with my advanced years. I decided once again to verify if it was just my imagination that was making me believe that Arnica was helping me and decided to stop it for 3 weeks and discovered that in the first week I was feeling uncomfortable and not my usual self. In the second week I discovered that my BP was creeping up and in the third I was distinctly creaking and feeling my age. I then restarted the nightly dosage and quickly returned to my usual sense of wellness.
The point that I wish to emphasize is that even though you and other classical homeopaths, and this includes Dr Luc de Schepper whom I had the honour of hosting in my home for a brief period before he was taken by me to the Tsunami affected areas and when he was returning to the USA, consider that taking a remedy on a daily basis as I now do can be dangerous, it has really never been so. Luc too was very surprised that I had been a willing guinea pig for Arnica and I had by that time proved to myself that this remedy did not by any means cause any distress in accordance with Homeopathic rules which frown on the daily use of any remedy. I tried to persuade Luc to have some tests done in the US as he has a vast following there and could easily have carried out a test for a few months but his classical training stood in the way and nothing was done.
I have been able to persuade a few friends to test it out themselves in the manner that I use it and they have invariably reported that they slept more deeply and felt very much better on the day after the first dose which I recommend be taken just before sleep. Many of these test cases have also reported that when they miss a dose they do not feel a well as they do when they take it on a daily basis.
I believe that there is a lot of good that classical homeopaths can learn from my own research and it is only a pity that I am often derided in my efforts to make the results known to others which I have done freely as they feel that without that piece of paper to prove that I am qualified in Homeopathy, all the information that I have collated throughout the past 25 years of my involvement with homeopathy is to them, just a lot of errant nonsense. I am confident that time will prove that my methods too are equally effective in helping to cure a patient as the classical methods are with one advantage for mine which is that the patients whom I have treated for diseases like GERD, Asthma, Diabetes and Eczema, to name just 4 have invariable been helped and in many cases cured of their ailments in record time in contrast to the classical method that some had used for years before they were treated by me with some startling results. I do not mean to belittle the efforts that you and other classically trained homeopaths use in the treatment of patients but I would like you to know that there has indeed been some method in my 'madness' as it is the patient's cure that is paramount in the mind of any responsible homeopath irrespective of the method that he used to deliver the goods.
I am willing to concede that that other remedies may perhaps not be able to be used in this manner on a daily basis but I can reassure anyone who would like to use Arnica in the manner that I have done, that it can be considered a Life Saver and it is also possible that it can be considered the nearest contender to the title of the 'Fountain of Youth' that people have often been thinking about.
Joe De Livera
♡ Joe De Livera last decade
Dear Joe
We have gone through all this before.
The way you have your convictions, I have mine.
The way you want to propagate your ideas I also want to do the same.
Let people decide which is best for them.
Coming to the recent spat, I just can't tolerate the derisive comments made upon me.
Any way, past is past.
But, I am going to question each and every prescription, if it is not in the best interests of the patient.
Though it is going to be a thankless job, I think it is in the best interests of the patients.
Murthy
We have gone through all this before.
The way you have your convictions, I have mine.
The way you want to propagate your ideas I also want to do the same.
Let people decide which is best for them.
Coming to the recent spat, I just can't tolerate the derisive comments made upon me.
Any way, past is past.
But, I am going to question each and every prescription, if it is not in the best interests of the patient.
Though it is going to be a thankless job, I think it is in the best interests of the patients.
Murthy
bandarbabu2000 last decade
Dear Rajiv,
I have read your request.
My first introduction to homeopathy was made in 1976.
By mid 1981 I had made up my mind that I would do everything within my means to master the study of homeopathy.... and my quest and efforts started immediately and in right ernest.
By 1992...I had committed to memory about 150 drug pictures of leading meds....and the variations given in different MMs with respect to the same medicine.
That was becoz...I had gone over the same again and again many many times.
Sometimes, I consulted more than 5 MMs.
By 1995 I was applying miasmic analysis to my cases after an indepth study.
(That is why ...some times ...you see recommendation of an inter-current med...i.e. the second med).
The drug relationships of many leading meds are again committed to my memory since 1995.
The computer programs on homeopathy had not come till 1992.
They came later. Today's homeopaths depend too much on the computer programs.
I depend upon the computer programs to 'aid' my analysis....not to 'dictate'...my analysis.
One computer program will throw up one choice while another one will throw up an other choice. There is more confusion...less clarity.
Besides, these programs have limitations....which are not advertised.
Repertories are a good way to arrive at a close fix for the choice of the medicine....but many homeopaths in the process..forget to go back to the 'drug picture' to reconfirm the choice of the med..... ending up with the wrong choice.
Dr. Samuel Hanhemann said the prime thing is the 'Drug Picture'..which has been constructed on the basis of a the 'proving' of the 'crude substance' on a healthy person.
In my thread 'Is this Homeopathy and Forum'.. I was making the point that people who are guiding here have different levels of study, experience and commitment. Don't treat all of them alike.
There is much more to this life-time commitment to homeopathy...but at this stage I cannot write more.
I am in deep anguish bocoz of the thoughtless comments made by 'the respected' homeopaths here.
I was asking them to go back and see the Archives to know me better.
It is one thing to be well versed in the THEORY OF HOMEOPATHY...and entirely different thing to be proficient in the APPLICATION OF HOMEOPATHY.
Best wishes,
Pankaj Varma
I have read your request.
My first introduction to homeopathy was made in 1976.
By mid 1981 I had made up my mind that I would do everything within my means to master the study of homeopathy.... and my quest and efforts started immediately and in right ernest.
By 1992...I had committed to memory about 150 drug pictures of leading meds....and the variations given in different MMs with respect to the same medicine.
That was becoz...I had gone over the same again and again many many times.
Sometimes, I consulted more than 5 MMs.
By 1995 I was applying miasmic analysis to my cases after an indepth study.
(That is why ...some times ...you see recommendation of an inter-current med...i.e. the second med).
The drug relationships of many leading meds are again committed to my memory since 1995.
The computer programs on homeopathy had not come till 1992.
They came later. Today's homeopaths depend too much on the computer programs.
I depend upon the computer programs to 'aid' my analysis....not to 'dictate'...my analysis.
One computer program will throw up one choice while another one will throw up an other choice. There is more confusion...less clarity.
Besides, these programs have limitations....which are not advertised.
Repertories are a good way to arrive at a close fix for the choice of the medicine....but many homeopaths in the process..forget to go back to the 'drug picture' to reconfirm the choice of the med..... ending up with the wrong choice.
Dr. Samuel Hanhemann said the prime thing is the 'Drug Picture'..which has been constructed on the basis of a the 'proving' of the 'crude substance' on a healthy person.
In my thread 'Is this Homeopathy and Forum'.. I was making the point that people who are guiding here have different levels of study, experience and commitment. Don't treat all of them alike.
There is much more to this life-time commitment to homeopathy...but at this stage I cannot write more.
I am in deep anguish bocoz of the thoughtless comments made by 'the respected' homeopaths here.
I was asking them to go back and see the Archives to know me better.
It is one thing to be well versed in the THEORY OF HOMEOPATHY...and entirely different thing to be proficient in the APPLICATION OF HOMEOPATHY.
Best wishes,
Pankaj Varma
♡ PANKAJ VARMA last decade
Dear Pankaj,
I don't know if what i write will in any way serve to reduce the anguish that you are feeling.May be by Sai Baba's grace you will come out of it very soon and be back to your old self which is full of spirit of service to people.Believe me, if i am a good judge of human character, Mr. Murthy is a gem of a person.Jacob also seems to be a reasonable person.What has happened is that your egos have got locked against one another bruising everyone in the process and resulting in a waste of energy which could have been used more fruitfully in serving people.
But every spiritual person knows that ego is one's greatest enemy if you wish to serve and learn in life.A person who feels close to God should never use offensive language.Because if one does so, one only causes the others to do the same.With internet homeopathy becoming more widespread we are bound to see more and more homeopaths coming to forums such as these.Let them all earn their respect through their contributions and success in treating patients.Let us all learn from each other's experiences.
My own perception has always been that you have a very good knowledge of the materia medica and a lot of experience in treating people.I really respect you for that.There have so many cases that have benefited by your advice.Do not take these incidents of last few days to heart.
Start contributing again with compassion and respect for everyone because the divine dwells in everyone.That is what Sai Baba also teaches.I am sure the same people who had a spat with you will again give respect to you.
With lots of love and best wishes.
Rajiv
I don't know if what i write will in any way serve to reduce the anguish that you are feeling.May be by Sai Baba's grace you will come out of it very soon and be back to your old self which is full of spirit of service to people.Believe me, if i am a good judge of human character, Mr. Murthy is a gem of a person.Jacob also seems to be a reasonable person.What has happened is that your egos have got locked against one another bruising everyone in the process and resulting in a waste of energy which could have been used more fruitfully in serving people.
But every spiritual person knows that ego is one's greatest enemy if you wish to serve and learn in life.A person who feels close to God should never use offensive language.Because if one does so, one only causes the others to do the same.With internet homeopathy becoming more widespread we are bound to see more and more homeopaths coming to forums such as these.Let them all earn their respect through their contributions and success in treating patients.Let us all learn from each other's experiences.
My own perception has always been that you have a very good knowledge of the materia medica and a lot of experience in treating people.I really respect you for that.There have so many cases that have benefited by your advice.Do not take these incidents of last few days to heart.
Start contributing again with compassion and respect for everyone because the divine dwells in everyone.That is what Sai Baba also teaches.I am sure the same people who had a spat with you will again give respect to you.
With lots of love and best wishes.
Rajiv
♡ rajivprasad last decade
This thread should end here because it is serving no purpost, making no point but only taking valuable time that could be utilized in a better way.
kuldeep last decade
'It is one thing to be well versed in the THEORY OF HOMEOPATHY...and entirely different thing to be proficient in the APPLICATION OF HOMEOPATHY.'
Without proper understanding of the former, you cannot have proper pratice of the latter, as evidenced by certain people recommending more than one remedy at a time, and paying absolutley no attention to the rules of application or dosage, and these are the most BASIC of Homoeopathic principles.
Also, and yet again, certain members are presupposing they have more experience than others. Speaking for myself, I have worked in my own REAL LIFE practice for 12 years, that is 6 days a week, often up to 12 hours a day, which equals literally THOUSANDS of patients, of which only ONE who has maintained their treatment with me has not (so far) responded, so I hardly think proficiency of application is an issue for ME. When I am not in my clinic, I am practicing or answering queries online, or proving remedies, or writing on the subject. Homoeopathy is my REAL life, it is not just some part-time 'hobby' which I pursue online as a sideline to my chosen profession/vocation as it is for certain others, It IS my profession/vocation.
...and thankyou Rajiv for bringing an impartial and balanced view to the situation.
-Jacob.
Without proper understanding of the former, you cannot have proper pratice of the latter, as evidenced by certain people recommending more than one remedy at a time, and paying absolutley no attention to the rules of application or dosage, and these are the most BASIC of Homoeopathic principles.
Also, and yet again, certain members are presupposing they have more experience than others. Speaking for myself, I have worked in my own REAL LIFE practice for 12 years, that is 6 days a week, often up to 12 hours a day, which equals literally THOUSANDS of patients, of which only ONE who has maintained their treatment with me has not (so far) responded, so I hardly think proficiency of application is an issue for ME. When I am not in my clinic, I am practicing or answering queries online, or proving remedies, or writing on the subject. Homoeopathy is my REAL life, it is not just some part-time 'hobby' which I pursue online as a sideline to my chosen profession/vocation as it is for certain others, It IS my profession/vocation.
...and thankyou Rajiv for bringing an impartial and balanced view to the situation.
-Jacob.
Hahnemania last decade
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