For Moderator

To Pankaj

I am surprised that a complete thread that you started has been deleted by Simon.

Can you please indicate the title and if you can remember the details, give a brief summary ?

There was nothing objectionable in that thread.I do not know why the moderator deleted the thread.

sajjad.

Hi Pankaj,

The thread started out well, but got derailed, such that few of the replies were on-topic. As you've asked, I have reinstated it:

http://www.abchomeopathy.com/forum2.php/83181/

When I deleted it, I posted a new one based on the outcome of the on-topic responses in that thread:

http://www.abchomeopathy.com/forum2.php/82686/

Best wishes,
Simon

Simon,

The link you provided for Pankaj's thread which you deleted and which you stated you reinstated:
http://www.abchomeopathy.com/forum2.php/83181/
is the same as this one.

I do not see the deleted posts on the other one you mentioned:
http://www.abchomeopathy.com/forum2.php/82686/

I would like to have the one with the original posts from Pankaj and others, including my own, which I presume you have in some other file reinstated ASAP.

I note that you state that :
'The thread started out well, but got derailed, such that few of the replies were on-topic.'
I do wish that you would use the same standard in editing and deleting other posts that some members post which are even more objectionable to Pankaj's thread which you felt should be left alone.

As you are aware I have drawn a lot of flak from members merely because I refuse to always use the classical method of curing with homeopathic remedies. The results of my therapy which in many cases I have pioneered speak for themselves . These classical members can only stand in awe of these cures and then proceed to deride me for my efforts in curing the patients with their dire warnings of doom for the patient who they feel will be visited by more awesome diseases all of which are nebulous and have not in my many years of practice, have ever materialized.

I do wish that you will be fair in your function as the Moderator of your forum as you may discover that if you continue with this selective deletion merely because you do not agree with a thread merely because it is getting 'derailed' you may compell members to retire from the ABC.

Please be good enough to reinstate Pankaj's thread in its entirety.

Pankaj,

I was delighted to have your unexpected support. I have proved that the non classical method of prescribing a remedy for the ailment is by far the best to help the patient and you may have read the long posts that I have made on this forum a few days ago to defend my position.

I have observed that the majority of classical homeopaths have been brainwashed into believing that it is through only their own brand of classical homeopathy which they use to help a patient, that the patient can be cured. It is strange that if you present the case to 10 homeopaths they will all invariably prescribe 10 different remedies which they generate in their own minds. This, I believe, is the reason for their constitutional remedies not working and in most cases even aggravating an ailment to the consternation of the poor patient who wants to be cured ASAP. There is also the other matter of the homeopath classical or otherwise depending on the return of the patient from time to time as this adds to his revenue.

If on the other hand the case is investigated with Homeopathic software like Radar which I too use occasionally, the remedies suggested will be usually identical.

As I see it this unnecessary syndrome of beating about the bush which is what classical homeopathy is all about, is purely to ensure that the patient is given the run around till the homeopath eventually decides that he has milked the patient enough and proceeds to prescribe the obvious remedy like you and I do by prescribing directly for the ailment from which the patient suffers from.

I do not for a moment subscribe to the dire warnings of impending doom to the patient if he follows the remedies we prescribed even though we are absolutely certain the they are based on the fact that they have worked in similar cases before, and will in all probablity also help the current case. I would like to record that I have never yet had any patient complaining of these disasterous events following my therapy in over 20 years of practice.

The case you mentioned of Pat is a good example of how I helped her with Nat Phos 6x which she first took with a lot of trepidation as she had been under some stupid classical type for over a year and was being milked well and truly by this homeopath till she, Pat decided to use Nat Phos in the dosage that I prescribed and discovered that relief was at hand almost immediately. She was relieved of her GERD and also reported substantial weight loss.

One point that I disagree with you is in the use of Multiple remedies like the Reckweg's combos which I consider are a waste of time and also expense as I believe that the wet dose I use with a single remedy for an ailment is perhaps the best way to treat a patient.

I have decided not to abide by the classical rules which a few members crow about as I am convinced that the brand of homeopathy that I practice is by far the best for the patient in spite of all the criticism and even derision that I attract in fulfilling my duty to my patients who consult me.

Is is strange that the majority of Homeopaths qualified or otherwise in the Indian sub continent also practice this same brand of homeopathy that you and I practice especially those who see over 25 patients on a daily basis as it is just not possible to use the classical case taking method to see them in a day as each consultation should take a mininum of an hour.

It is unfortnuate that these homeopaths who use our own direct system which has been derisevely termed 'Joepathy', do not dare to own up to the simle fact that they too use the direct method we use as they perhaps fear the repercussions that can follow.

Please let me have the link to your post addressed to Jacob which you copied.

Joe,

Doh! Sorry, I cut and pasted the wrong link, but I have reinstated the right link. The link is:

http://www.abchomeopathy.com/forum2.php/81071/

It is all there - I edited only my own post because it seems that assumptions I made were incorrect and an innocent party got caught up in the dispute between myself and Pat2006.

I very very seldom delete posts, even when asked to, nor do I express an opinion on most topics; not because I don't have one but because I do try to remain impartial.

Hi Pankaj,

Yes, anyone who claims their method is the only way of doing things is perhaps shutting themselves off from knowledge, and if they would do that, then how, I wonder, did they manage to learn the one and only right way of doing things? 'Wisest is he who knows he does not know.'

Still, like you often say yourself, a little passion, a little spice makes the taste more interesting. And another opinion in the mixing pot brings the mixture closer to the truth.

Best Wishes,
Simon

We do not make the rules on what constitutes real Homoeopathy, Hahnemann did, and he also warned of the methods used by the so called 'mongrel sect' i.e those who do not follow the classical route. Moreover though, and in my own case, it is just a question of simple logic, you either get it...or you don't, and having seen literally thousands of patients over the years, I would say some 30% of all my cases have been those who have come from non-classical Homoeopaths, and in every case I have had to personally sort out the mess caused to the patients constitution from the application of these 'other methods'.

So no, we are not shutting ourselves off to anything, merely going by what we know to be true.

I am not even going to comment on some of the other comments made about my posts, as the people posting know themselves they were the cause of the discussions becoming 'heated'.



-Jacob

But this is not what I have said, again you are misquoting me, and AGAIN I just said it is not MY approach, but that of Hahnemann and all classical Homoeopaths.

Moreover though, I AM doing just what you say, expressing my opinion, and if you have complete confidence in your approcah, why should it matter what I say?

I am merely stating that your approach is not true Homoeopathy as developed by Hahnemann, which it is not.


-Jacob.

Oh I agree, but should not this be the primary concern of the physician also? You are not the patient Mr Varma, and it is you, primarily, with whom this discussion has taken place. In the instances where I HAVE brought the differences between methods to the attention of the patient, it is so they are able to make an informed choice, you said yourself 'readers have a right to know the different shades of views'.

As a classically trained Homoeopath though, I believe there IS only one way to achieve actual cure (except in a few 'accidential' cases, as pointed out by ripas elsewhere), and that is through applying the methods of Hahnemann and every other classical Homoeopath since his day, and this method IS, like it or not, backed up by 200 years of experience. It is NOT achieved by abandoning every founding principle there is, in favour of our own systems, which may indeed use Homoeopathic remedies, but for the most part, this is where the similarity ends.


-Jacob.

Dear Mr Varma,

'1.Does any one have a meter to take a reading that will show pallative action and curative action???'
The answer is, of course, no.

'2. Has any one done a research study on which brand of homeopathy has given better results amongst patients ??'
Not that I am aware of, and I have never brought this subject up?

'3. Has some one taken a representative sample of the population of patients.... as per statistical standards ....and shown the results that a particular method of homeopathic application is more success ful ?"
Actually yes, Hahnemann himself. He was the first to observe the detrimental effects of mode of practice by what he termed 'the mongrel sect', and every other classical Homoeopath with any degree of observational skills has observed the same over the last 200 years. I think this should be enough for anyone...

4. Do you have statistics of the sale of combination meds viz. a viz. single meds...from leading manufacturers like Schwabe, Bioron, Reckweg etc
....which ...in absence of a statistical patient survey will work as an indicator?
I do not, but I could probably get such information re:Dolisos and Nelsons, as I have regular telephone communication with the ex MD of both companies. I am not sure how such information would be of any relevance though, as this would simply show what was being bought from commercial suppliers, taking into account that people will buy whatever is advertised for such and such a condition, either in store, or on a website. Most Homoeopaths who have real life practices though, myself included, do not even use such commercial suppliers, we order privately from specialist pharmacies, so again, this would not really indicate anything.

'If the answer is NO'
Er...which one exactly?

'...then all your claims of classical homeopathy being the most effective (REAL....in your words) form of homeoapthy are without any basis and do not hold any water.'
They are not claims though, they are experience, 200 years of experience.

'Pl. be informed.
Before making such claims...get the statistical work done. May be.... the results of such a survey will be an eye opener for you as well as many classical homeopaths.'
Um, see above, and unless there has been some kind of radical shift in the laws of nature in the last 200 years, I doubt there would be much for us to 'open our eyes' about. Moreover though, and not wishing to appear rude, maybe if YOU actually did some research, principally into the experiences of the founding fathers of Homoeopathy, not to mention the basic principles of the entire subject, there would simply be no argument...

I have not contributed to the present debate as I felt that no purpose could be served by wasting my time with the member who has appointed himself as the saviour of other members who he feels would surely be doomed by the simple method that I use to help the many thousands of patients on this and other forums who have confirmed that they have been cured by my own allopathic approach using Homeopathic remedies directly, in a manner that is not recorded in the classical texts.

I would like to emphasize that the patient's interest to be cured must always remain the first duty of a physician and reference to Hahnemann's first Aphorism will confirm this fact.

I could not resist copying 2 essays that I have contributed to the ABC in the past and shall copy them below for the edification of the member concerned.

They may serve as an eye opener to his narrow viewpoint on Homeopathy which is a precious science that the founder discovered which in later years has been so convoluted by his successors throghout the last two centuries, as I believe that in doing so, they sought to maintain it within the parameters of their own theories, and lifted this science which has been proved to be equally effective whether it is used classically or non classically, as I have proved, to a level that made it seem more mysterious, thereby giving the classical fraternity the opportunity of maintaining it within their fold, till non qualified homeopaths like me and Pankaj dared to question the right of the classical fraternity to deride the direct method that we use to cure patients.




In Defense of my attitude to Homeopathy
http://www.abchomeopathy.com/forum2.php/73367/

From Joe De Livera on 2006-07-22
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In defence of my attitude to Homeopathy From Joe De Livera on 2006-07-21
Dear Mr Ripas,

I note that you are responding to a post that I made on July 12 in response to yours of the same date.

From the general trend of your argument I believe that it is my direct treatment of the ailment that you seem to resent, perhaps because you have seen that many patients whom I have responded to on this forum have confirmed that they have been helped and in many instances cured. This routine of cures does not only pertain to Asthma and I must admit that I used the direct allopathic method in prescribing the remedy with the success that you can read about on the respective threads.

I am amazed at the reasons that classical homeopaths like you can offer and I can see that you are only interested in defending the classical attitude to homeopathy which I too resort to with my Radar software if I am not familiar with the ailment or the response from the patient to the remedy that I prescribe has not been satisfactory, which occurs very rarely.

I do not object to classical homeopaths using their classical knowledge in treating any ailment. I do resent however when these classical types go to the level that Dinesh Sharma went to yesterday to attack me in his uncontrolled fit of rage which is only too transparent on the ABC which you can read on:

http://www.abchomeopathy.com/forum2.php/67963/1

I shall copy my response below and this will also answer some of your own reservations on the direct method that I use to prescribe any remedy to my patients. It must be borne in mind that in the case of these patients, the resultant effect which leads to a cure has almost always been positive. There have been absolutely no instances of any remedy that I prescribed causing any form of distress or aggravation.


Re: Gastric Problem.
From Joe De Livera
on 2006-07-20
To Dinesh Sharma

I was appalled to note that you had addressed your post to me personally and deliberately repeated it 3 times over which I believe you did in a fit of anger as a result of my commenting on your prescribing what you fondly believed was your 'classical constitutional remedy' to relieve the patient's obvious distress from hyperacidity which sadly did not have the slightest effect in helping him for a whole month but only resulted in a serious aggravation of his condition when he was under your supervision.

I believe that types like you who are so obsessed with your own importance which you have assumed as a result of your obtaining your diploma in Homeopathy should stop to consider that the primary reason for your spending a few years in the study of this precious science is to heal suffering humanity. It is only when people like you are forced to accept that the remedy that your classical training has taught you to prescribe which did not have the slightest effect in helping the suffering patient but instead had aggravated his condition to a degree that he was so obviously suffering from it, that you explode and then proceed to insult me and command me in UPPER CASE to 'MIND YOUR WORDS' or in other words to SHUT UP.

I regret that I cannot oblige you by doing so as I strongly feel that types like you and a few others who play around with the lives of those who visit this forum in the manner that you have done for Bodapathi should be compelled to tender an apology to him for the damage that you have done to him by making his complaint which I believe is GERD infinitely worse during the last month. It is important that those who visit this forum should know the real person you are --- haughty, self opinionated, and obsessed with your own interpretation of what you feel is Homeopathy which has done irreparable damage to at least one member.

I believe that what you need is the humility to accept that you have made a serious error in your prescription of Lycopodium 200 and to bow out gracefully from the thread and thereby permit others who are able to help, to do so in peace without having to waste time in resorting to this form of defense in replying to your tirade as I am now doing right now. In spite of the constraints of time that this form of defense involves I still felt that I should give you some food for thought to teach you how to prescribe at least in the future.

You will have observed that none of us who have been advisors on the ABC for many years and long before you even knew its existence and joined it, have upbraided or criticized you directly when we had reason to do so in previous lapses on your part. I do remember a previous instance when I had to advise you in a case similar to the present and you undertook to behave in a more acceptable manner.

It is the sheer arrogance that you displayed in your tirade that I find objectionable when you state:
'I tried to help him and infcat if you can read earlier post Lycopodium had helped him.But to change constitution requires time but you can not understand all this stuff as your are not a Homeopath'.
As far as I are aware Bodapathy did not show any positive response to your constitutional remedy Lycopodium 200 which sadly backfired on him and you were directly responsible to help him when he pleaded that it was not helping him when you insisted that it must help him perhaps because you had prescribed it and you were of course the last word in Homeopathy ! You then proceed to insult me with your broken Indian English stating that ' you can not understand all this stuff as your are not a Homeopath'.

You must understant that if you persist in maintaining this arrogant attitude you may risk the wrath of other members and the management and may be banned from this forum permanently.

Bodapathi has decided to consult a Gastroenteriologist as the agony that you have caused him is too much for him to suffer. In doing so he will obviously be following his path to disaster as the specialist will no doubt prescribe the standard drugs used in medicine that inhibit the production of acid like Nexium, Prilosec to name only two which will only serve to palliate his ailment and will continue to send him on the path to GERD from which a return is extremely difficult as you can read from the experience of others who have been rescued even on this thread.

You must remember that it does not take that piece of paper which I presume you possess, which you like to flaunt to the other members of this forum with your title of 'Dr' which you have used as a prefix to your name, to enable those who practice Homeopathy to help members who post their ailments. It is more the dedication of the prescriber to this science and the experience that he has accumulated throughout the past years that is important and not the careless attitude that you and many others in your profession cultivate when they discover after a few years in practice that they can safely assume the status of a petty god over their patients. You have only to read the post above from Pat to appreciate the level that some homeopaths descend to, merely to maintain that haughty devil may care attitude at the expense of the poor suffering patient. I am aware of some who deliberately do so in order to ensure that the patient has no alternative but to visit them even weekly to obtain relief from their ailment which could have been cured with perhaps a single remedy in a single consultation.

As you probably know, I have been deeply involved in this science since 1970 and after a period of study it is now my hobby which I practice free of charge both privately in Sri Lanka and on the ABC as I feel a deep sense of satisfaction to help in the alleviation of human suffering in my own way which you may have read in other threads on the ABC. Some of these cures have been commented upon by grateful patients as being miraculous.

I do hope that you will not repeat your hypercritical arrogant attitude as evidenced in your last post which you have repeated 3 times over and that you will not interfere in future with my sincere attempts to help in the alleviation of human suffering.

Joe De Livera





If as I presume you are a qualified classical homeopath who insists only on working within the narrow confines of the classical method that you have been inculcated into accepting during your studies, I would suggest that you spend some time on this forum which as you will see is easily the most prolific of Homeopathic forums in the world and is used by over 50 patients to post their ailment daily seeking a cure. I presume that many hundreds, perhaps many thousands of visitors also frequent it as they obviously can find matters of health discussed in it which may be of interest to themselves.

I would recommend that you use your time more fruitfully by helping to cure human ailments posted by patients on this forum rather than just picking on dedicated Homeopaths like me and force me to use my time to defend my attitude to Homeopathy which has invariably resulted in a cure in comparison to the cures that are achieved by the classical types whose antics are only too transparent on this forum.

Answering the matters that you have discussed in your post, I too agree that a virus cannot affect anyone for 2 weeks. We are however presuming that Fauzia's children were affected for this length of time, which you will read from her response was not the case. She indicated that after she had her children's throat swabs analyzed it was discovered that they were in fact infected by the Beta Haemolyticus Streptococcus for which the required antibiotic was used and she later confirmed that both her children were cured of the infection. Their Asthma was also being controlled by the Nat Sulph.

I would like to comment on your mention of the other remedies some of which I too have used in the cure of Asthma:

You state:
' The removal of suffering, as in asthma, is by itself a big achievemnet, but it is not a cure. I use Aconite 6 or /and Ipecac 6 or Blatta O 6, and a host of remedies from Arsenic and Carbo Veg to Nat Sulph- and others, but among these, Aconite, for instance, willnot be curative. Blatta 6 will have to be given in high potency in between - if it is the matching remedy. However, like your nat Sulph prescription, by and large Aco and Ipecac relieve the symptoms. '

I have used Blattta Orientalis but in 30c potency in the dry dose for the treatment of Asthma in the case of a professor of Physics in our university in the hills in Sri Lanka. He stated that he was OK at sea level in Colombo but that when he went to his university located in Kandy that he often was unable to breathe. Blatta O fixed his problem and it did that permanently about 2 years ago and he can be considered fully cured. I have used Ipecac for a patient who was on Nat S but had a persistent cough which was resolved by the remedy.

I have recommended the use of Ars Alb 200 in the dry dose when the patient is unable to breathe when he would reach for his Inhaler. FYI I have noticed that within about 20 minutes the patient who is gasping for breath, is able to breathe without any discomfort. I have not however used Carbo Veg and Aconite and would not like to do so as I only prescribe remedies that I have used myself, or in this case as I am not an Asthmatic, remedies that I have discovered evoke a positive response from the patient.

You may like to know that almost all cases of Asthma that I have treated have responded positively to Nat Sulph 6c in the wet dose and later the split dose which I use after about a month on the remedy direct from the bottle.

You state:
'When a palliative remedy is used, leave aside the usual concerns of what other effects it might have, the thing is that a closely matched remedy which might cure is ignored. The principle of a doctor or practitioner is to heal. To heal you need to know all you can about the system you are using, its theory, its tools - all the remedies. I am not against you because you are a lay practitioner. I am against your practice of not attending to the principles because you have found what you think of as success and don't care to rock the boat except in defiance of what you think are a bunch of fuddy-duddies raining on your parade. '

I do not agree with you that the remedies that I use are only 'palliative'. It just depends on how you choose to interpret 'cure'. If it is permanent it can be considered a cure but otherwise it is palliative. In the case of Asthma the cure especially in the case of chronic cases is sometimes long drawn out and may take some months. The healing process continues throughout the period the patient sips the one teaspoonful of the remedy daily and this is a far cry from the tablets and inhalers usually multiple inhalers all of which are loaded with all the choice steroids that the patient has been used to using for a lifetime.

A teaspoonful of NS does not in any way harm the patient and even I, after so many cases of successfully resolving cases of chronic Asthma, often wonder how this minuscule dose of this chemical Sodium Sulphate also known as Glauber's Salt can possibly have this beneficial effect on a patient who was as I stated has been an asthmatic during most of his life.

I do not agree that I as a lay practitioner must know ALL about the remedies I use which are the standard remedies that anyone can get from a pharmacy. It would be quite impossible for me to study ALL about the ailments that I prescribe for. I believe that it is that streak of originality that I seem to have been born with that makes me deviate from your obvious classical outlook which has resulted in my identifying many remedies in the classical Homeopathic texts for ailments that are not listed in them . If as you state you have read some others of my post on this forum you may have noticed that I have responded to the majority of the posts that patients have made and it would be safe to presume that the real reason for my success is that patients seem to appreciate my methodology in helping them as I believe that they have realized that they have resulted in more cures than those that the classical homeopaths have offered in terms of constitutional remedies and other experimental use of remedies which in a recent case was carried on for over a month when the patient was virtually screaming in agony while this homeopath continued to insist that the aggravation was part of the curative process, which in this case seemed to be unending. As you may have read the patient decided to seek an allopathic cure in sheer disgust at the homeopathic aggravation.

It is also a shame that some of these classical homeopaths use this forum to drum up business for themselves by contacting the patients directly. Their modus operandi is to pose a questionnaire to the patient within a few minutes of the original post and when the patient responds the reply from the homeopath is often delayed. Excuses are made that the ailment is under consideration as the selection of the remedy usually takes time. The patient in the meanwhile is desperate for a remedy as his ailment is causing him distress and then contacts the homeopath directly who states that the curative process will take a few months and offers to look after the patient for a handsome fee which has to be paid for the first consultation and a monthly fee to be paid for a year or more depending on the severity of the patient's ailment.

Some of these patients have contacted me and a few of them have even copied the original emails of these homeopaths. I also have evidence of the direct approach to the patient from the homeopath with the offer to help for a fee. This ploy is resorted to when the patient does not have his email address in his profile when the homeopath requests the patient to send him photographs of the ailment to enable him to treat it better and thereby obtains his email address. It is a matter of some concern to all of us who treat anyone for the joy it gives us to see a patient cured which in my opinion is far greater than the money that others who practice for a fee professionally derive from curing someone in distress.

You state:
'I am against your practice of not attending to the principles because you have found what you think of as success and don't care to rock the boat except in defiance of what you think are a bunch of fuddy-duddies raining on your parade.
I earnestly request you to please take some time to study, to use the repertory and, since you have the time and the inclination, to serve better.
It is not my intention to offend or put you down. I give you credit for trying, but you are not optimizing.'

As no doubt you are aware, I practice my own version of Homeopathy which has been recently branded 'Joepathy', I am convinced that my method is more direct and is less hazardous to the patient and what is most important, it results in a cure.

All I ask of you classical homeopaths is to permit me to continue with my mission of healing in the manner I choose which I feel is best for the patient. You are aware that this is a forum which is open to anyone who would like to voice an opinion and I would welcome any constructive opinions instead of the destructive insults that I have often had to suffer in the past (this does not include you) on this and other forums dedicated to Homeopathy.

In conclusion I would like to refer you to the first 2 Aphorisms of the founder of Homeopathy which I shall quote below:

? 1
The physician's high and only mission is to restore the sick to health, to cure, as it is termed

? 2
The highest ideal of cure is rapid, gentle and permanent restoration of the health, or removal and annihilation of the disease in its whole extent, in the shortest, most reliable, and most harmless way, on easily comprehensible principles.


The mere fact that I have to brave the criticism from people like you and even insults from others who pose as classical homeopaths shall not and will not make me deviate from the manner that I believe I am correct in following.

I shall end this essay with a quotation from Arthur Schopenhauer

All truth passes through three stages.
First, it is ridiculed.
Second, it is violently opposed.
Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.
--- Arthur Schopenhauer ---



Joe De Livera




I have also discovered another post on the same subject and shall copy it below for the enlightenment of members if they still wish to read more on the same subject.

http://www.abchomeopathy.com/forum2.php/47171/

In Defense of my concept of Homeopathic Treatment

From Joe De Livera on 2005-12-27
14 replies 591 views
I am copying a post that I have just made on the Hpathy forum in response to that of Gina Tyler, a senior Homeopath which will I hope will serve to answer many of the posts that homeopaths of the classical school have made upbraiding me which I believe will be of general interest to all who have done so:


G Tyler wrote:
Dear Joe


I agree with all that have posted to your last comment but one thing to
add myself;


I can see you have a giant caring heart of gold,you give freely of your
'limited ' knowledge what ever that might be. Yes i understand well to see
a person suffer so much and this person cannot afford to go to an MD for
full casetaking,you offer your help free of charge ,that is comendable,it
shows you help out of 'love and care,compasion'. But one must further
your study of homeopathic principles,this will help even more,your
passion is obvious joe.


I come from the lonely place of a 'volunteer homeopath',there are only
a handfull on this entire planet that are willing to do homeopathy for free
to help the poor that cannot pay.I do
understand.................................your motives.


Gina Tyler






Dear Gina,

I have just seen your post and felt that I must thank you for your support
of my attitude to Homeopathy.

I believe that you would have noticed that all I seek to do is to use the
time that I have at my disposal from my official duties as the CEO of our
business organization, to help those who post on the 4 Homeopathic
forums that I visit on a daily basis. I also spend some time with patients
who call for assistance at my residence and I find that the number is
gradually increasing as I treat all free of charge.

As you would have seen from the many comments that were posted on
the thread that I posted on 3 forums entitled 'To all classical homeopaths
who have criticized me' I seem to have roused up a hornet's nest which
very few other homeopaths who visit these forums would dare to do. I did
so as I felt that it was time that I showed the homeopathic world what
they have so far missed in not using my own method of diagnosis and
treatment which to my surprise I find, is the method that is used by the
majority of homeopaths in our sub continent. It is only the 'classical'
types that refuse to see the proverbial wood for the trees, and I believe
that I am not far wrong in voicing the suspicion that I have been having
for some time, that their 'Holier than Thou' attitude is prompted by the
fact that these classical types, by virtue of their keeping up this
'mysterious' aspect of homeopathic diagnosis and treatment which those
who have made the grade in Homeopathy and built up their practice do
so, as they fear that persons like me who try to help anyone who posts
on the forums out of a sense of service, free of charge, would divert their
patients thereby causing some loss of revenue to themselves. They then
resort to the scathing criticism that you would have noticed they have
mounted against me in the hope that I will get fed up and leave of my
own accord or on the other hand they perhaps look forward to my being
banned from some of these forums which, I believe can happen, except
for the ABC where I feel very welcome. I also believe that they resent the
successful case records that I have recorded of my experience with
Arnica and a few other remedies which I have specialized in using.

My question to these classical homeopaths who delight in criticizing me
is: 'Why do you not at least consider that there may be some benefit that
you can give your own patients by following my example and prescribe
for the ailment and not only for the symptoms ?' I have done my bit in
openly recording my experience in using Arnica for the control of
Diabetes, Eczema, Cellulitis, Eases Urine flow caused by BPH, Control
Incontinence, Overcomes Jet Lag and many other ailments which I have
listed in my article on the forums. It is indeed a shame that all they have
done so far except for you Gina alone, is to criticize me. I must admit that
I did expect this criticism but when one of those exalted types indicated
that my records were outrageous and called me a DANGEROUS MAN, I
must admit that this did anger me. This pompous fool seemed to equate
me with some form of dangerous chain poisoner who used Homeopathic
remedies to aid him in his nefarious work . I have not encountered this
individual on any forum ever before and I condemn his audacity to call me
a Dangerous Man ! It is precisely this pompous attitude that I am sick
and tired of reading about when it comes from people who are here today
and gone tomorrow.

I am gratified to note that you have followed my many posts on the
forums and commented on the attitude that I have displayed to help
anyone whom I feel I can. It really amazes me to note that only a very few
of those who are quick to attack and criticize me show their own
expertise in their one upmanship against me, and put their money where
their mouth is and spend their time more usefully by prescribing for even
one ailment posted by a sick person. Their attitude of not helping is
symptomatic of their attitude where they feel that their presence on the
forum is only good enough to criticize me but not to help suffering
humanity.

You have suggested that I further my studies of Homeopathic principles
but I do not have the time today to do so. I do however keep abreast of
homeopathic matters on the web which I believe is more useful today
than only reading and memorizing the classical texts. I would like to
confirm that I can also prescribe in the classical tradition if I so choose to
do so with assistance from my Radar 9.1 software which I can use to
equate the diagnosis and treatment that any one of the classical types can
offer if they choose to do so. However I have discovered that the remedies
that are suggested by this software have not always helped me to
alleviate the ailment of my patients and it was only when I used my
default remedy for the respective ailment, that a positive response was
evoked from the patient.

I have proved beyond doubt that in spite of this criticism that I have been
subjected to, I have achieved some unprecedented success in the
treatment of difficult cases like that of Rahul, the 21 year old boy whose
parents were desperate for a cure to bring him back to life after 2 months
in a coma and I had the courage to suggest Arnica 1M which helped to
wake him up in a week. He is reported now after about 16 weeks after his
accident to be talking and complaining of pain in his head. The other case
that I really enjoyed getting involved in was that of another old man of
82 years who had lost all motor control in his extremities, and I was able
to return him back to normal life again with Arnica 1M in about 2 months.

It is interesting that no other homeopath dared to suggest a remedy for
these cases and I had the greatest satisfaction in helping these patients
who may perhaps not have come back to normal life if I did not suggest
my favourite remedy Arnica, for which I am not any more surprised
whenever it brings forth another miracle cure.

I am confident that my method of diagnosis and treatment of the ailment
and not the symptoms will eventually be found to be the more logical
approach which future homeopaths hopefully will follow after they have
been relieved of the brain washing that they have received during their
studies. It is just this pretense of the Holier than Thou attitude that
irritates me especially when those who pontificate about the danger of my
method, which according to them only results in the suppression of the
ailment and not the cure, know fully well that my method of treating the
ailment is practiced by the large majority of practicing homeopaths
throughout the sub continent.

I am glad that you count me among the handful of 'volunteer
Homeopaths' who are willing to help others with our own concept of
Homeopathy, free of charge. I would like to add that I am impelled to do
so as I have ample proof that although the majority of the classical school
of homeopaths choose to deride me and my efforts to help humanity, the
good God has accepted my role in doing so and has blessed me with a
level of wellness which many who are 25 years junior to me envy. I believe
that it is my duty to give thanks to this Supreme Being by helping
suffering humanity to the best of my ability, braving the taunts and jibes
that the classical school have leveled at me, perhaps motivated by their
insane jealousy at the success of the method that I have adopted of
healing.

I invite them all to bury the hatchet and as I stated above put their money
where their mouth is, and spend more time on the forums motivated by a
positive attitude to healing instead of their present negative attitude of
compelling me to waste my time in rebutting their taunts at the expense
of the time that I can devote to healing.

Warm Regards

Joe De Livera
Colombo
Sri Lanka

Re: In Defense of my concept of Homeopathic Treatment From homlee on 2005-12-28
Dear Joe de Livera.
I think you should pay particular attention to the first line of Gina Tyler's post - and go back and read what the previous posts say.
I think almost everyone - including myself - agrees that your intentions are noble - it is just that we doubt your path. I think its pretty much covered in the replies to this copy of your post on otherhealth and hpathy forums, so we shan't go into it, but please do consider that you might be, in your eagerness to help, trading immediate gains for future problems.

Re: In Defense of my concept of Homeopathic Treatment From Joe De Livera on 2005-12-28
Dear Homlee,

I note that you too subscribe to the bogey that has often been trotted about the 'Danger' of prescribing a homeopathic remedy for the disease as I have done for many years.

I presume that you have read my post where I clearly stated my own attitude to Homeopathy which I am aware is different from that used by the classical homeopaths but is nevertheless as effective as their own classical method.

I have been deeply involved in Homeopathy for over 30 years but have never encountered a case of a remedy that I have used or prescribed causing any distress which can be considered as an aggravation or can be considered as harmful to the patient later.

I have been informed by classical homeopaths like you that my use of remedies in the manner that I do will inevitably lead to serious problems to the patient in later years but to the best of my knowledge there has not been a single case to justify these fears.

I shall be grateful if you will please provide evidence to enable me to consider changing my present form of treatment.

Re: In Defense of my concept of Homeopathic Treatment From bandarbabu2000 on 2005-12-28
Der Joe

I once again suggest to you to read 'The theory of Suppression' by Dr.Vijakar.

If you are interested I will ask Bjain Publishers to send you a copy.

Murthy

Re: In Defense of my concept of Homeopathic Treatment From homlee on 2005-12-29
Dear Joe de Livera: Homeopathy is already proven -its cases can be consulted everywhere.
I have seen personal examples of suppression by homeopathy - I second Mr. Murthy - please read Dr. Vijaykar's 'Theory of Suppression'.
I don't mean to say each and every 'cured' case of yours will be suppressed. Often Arnica is indicated, often Nat Sulph is indicated for asthma. What I want to convey is that these work in ceratin cases to cure because they are suited to the individual case. If they are not suited but work allopathically, i.e., against the direction of cure (which is almost surely the case when Arnica - or any remedy- acts very quickly in something like eczema) there is suppression.
Now, you will find that a lot of allopaths will staunchly deny that this or that medicine caused this or that problem. 'Why should your arm hurt after taking something for your sinus?' - that kind of thing. They simply cannot relate the two. Similarly, when homeopathy used allopathically causes suppression, leave alone the prescriber, the patient maynot relate new diseases or new symptoms to those magical pills.
You have taken a great deal of trouble in your practice, is it not? Is it so unreasonable to request that you take the advice of everyone, read what everyone is jabbering about and increase your efficiency. Hoemopathy can be painful to practice correctly, but it is worth the trouble. Again, I am sure everyone appreciates your intentions and the way you unselfishly share your 'discoveries' (no offence meant, but a careful reading of the materia medicas will show you that most of these are listed symptoms - excepting, I think, Nat Phos for weight loss. Definitely Nat Phos for acidity with the sour risings is.). Please do just read why homeopaths are against allopathic prescribing.

Re: In Defense of my concept of Homeopathic Treatment From Adixamro on 2005-12-29
I am very happy to see you here helping people for good.There r
very few like you who do the same.
Joe please do look at my case also. I would highly appreciate your help.

Thanks and regards
Adixamro

http://www.abchomeopathy.com/forum2.php/47083/

To Murthy From Joe De Livera on 2005-12-29
Dear Murthy,

Thank you for offering to send the book from B Jain. I am getting a stock of books from them shortly which they have requested me to market for them in the branches of my stores and I have included the book in my order.

The point that I wish to make is that I have never been faced up to now with any suppression or aggravation as a result of my using any remedy. I do wish that someone can give me a few cases of this phenomenon which will cause me to reconsider my present position which is to treat the ailment head on with a remedy which I know will work to alleviate the problem.

The problem that I have to consider which I believe is more important is whether I am to abide by the opinion of all you classical homeopaths and use the remedy that I can raise with my Radar software or in the alternative use my default remedy like Nat Phos 6c in the split dose for Asthma, or Arnica 30 in the water dose for Eczema.

I am confident that these remedies work the miracle in curing these ailments in a few weeks and in all instances the patients have kept me advised of their progress weekly.

It is just the fact that I am convinced after using these remedies for these 2 aliments for many patients that I use them as my default remedies and so far, I have always been successful in helping them. I would also like to state that some of them date back to over 18 months and they are happy to be free of their symptoms which have bugged them throughout their lives.

I refer to only the chronic cases in my statement above as the juvenile cases seem to be OK within a few days and do not report after a few weeks.

Kind Regards
Joe

To Homlee From Joe De Livera on 2005-12-29
To Homlee

I agree with you that Nat Phos is listed in the MM's for acidity but not for weight loss. Arnica is listed for skin but not for Eczema and has never been listed for Diabetes and many of the other ailments that I have listed this amazing remedy for.

I have noticed that God seems to have favoured me with the Gift of Originality and the many firsts in my life that I have been responsible for will take a book to record, and this I intend doing for the sake of my children who are keen to have it in black and white.

In Homeopathy all I seek to do is to use a remedy in a manner which can be considered original and when I discover that it has a salutory effect like Arnica which I gave a friend who was a type I Diabetic for a wound who reported that his Blood sugar level had crashed in a way that had never occurred before, I just could not believe it and decided to test it on other known diabetics and they too confirmed the same result.

Eczema was serendipitous discovery as I had treated a chronic case of recurring Cellulitis who had been to hospital to arrest the infection with Augmentine and other powerful drugs and when she came out of hospital on the last occasion I gave her Arnica and she has never been to hospital for almost 2 years today. She however continues to take Arnica once daily as she finds that without it she does not sleep soundly.

I have given Arnica to many chronic cases of Eczema and they have all responded within a week to the remedy which they take in most cases twice daily. I mentioned an 88 year old Electric engineer who had almost instant relief from his ailment from which he had suffered for 73 years and he also confirmed that a long standing spinal problem which doctors had diagnosed as a slipped disk does not hurt any more as long as he takes a teaspoonful of the Arnica twice daily. His Eczema is completely dry and the skin discolouration is slowly coming back to normal.

These are just 2 cases that I have discussed above but I have a few others which are of interest which I shall post when I am certain of their curative effects hopefully without suppression.

For Asthma I use Nat Sulph 6c in the Split Dose and this has invariably worked within a short time. According to the classical homeopaths, I am not expected to treat my patients with this remedy as it will lead to suppression. My question to them is :
Suppression from What ?

I seek an explanation that I can accept.

Joe De Livera

Re: In Defense of my concept of Homeopathic Treatment From idchertsey on 2006-01-08
sorry to interrupt, so to speak: - what is a 'split dose'.
tks ingrid

Split Dose From Joe De Livera on 2006-01-08
You will observe that I have instructed in my instructions on the making of the dose above that after succussing the bottle you take a teaspoonful of the water which is now the remedy and put this tsp into half cup of water taken from another bottle. This is stirred gently and a tsp is sipped from the water in the half cut.

This is know as the Split Dose.

Asthma Cure Instructions (Split Dose) From Joe De Livera on 2006-01-08
I have treated many cases of Asthma successfully in adults and the remedy that I recommend you use is Nat Sulph 6c which must be used precisely in the manner indicated below:

Get a 500ml bottle of Spring Water from your nearest supermarket.
Pour out 100ml
Drop in 3 pellets or 1 drop of liquid Nat Sulph 6c into the 400ml water
Cap the bottle tightly and succuss it 4-6 times by banging on your palm and look out for the air bubbles to fizzle up from the bottom.
Pour out 1 teaspoonful of the potentized remedy into half a cup of water from another bottle of the same water and stir it gently.
Sip 1 teaspoonful of the water from the cup just once daily.

You will have to stop all other medication if you wish to start on this therapy.

This remedy should be taken daily for some time in the future and you may like to know that I have many instances of adults who were chronic sufferers from Asthma for many years who do not use the remedy any more after about 4 months on this therapy. Others who were not so chronic react favourably in a few days and only use the remedy if and when necessary.

The remedy that I have used when the patient is having an acute attack ans is straining for breath is Ars Alb 200c. This remedy is taken dry and just 4 globules will suffice for a dose which may only be taken just once daily when the patient is gasping for breath. This usually clears the lungs and opens up the airways in under 20 minutes.

Re: In Defense of my concept of Homeopathic Treatment From Pat2006 on 2006-01-08
Joe,

Am I understanding clearly that it is possible to treat with homeopathy without aggrevating the symptoms?


I am in real desperate need of help, but I am now afraid of homeopathy because I'm afraid that it will once again only aggrevate my symptoms.

My fear is so great that I am afraid of anything that says homeopathy on it.


Of course, now I'm afraid of any and all homeopaths because of their 'Holier than Thou attitude.' The one I was working with =thinks he is God. As desperate as I feel, I will not call him.

I think he also like to see people suffer.



I don't know if I will ever get over my fear of anything having to do with homeopath.

I have been working with a homeopath for 3 years and he was not able to help me with these breathing problems that have only gotton worst.

He thinks he is God and if you don't worship him as if he is God, he doesn't want to be bothered with you.

Please help me identify a good homeopath. I really need some serious help. I am having a real difficult time eating, drinking and breathing.

Again, is it really possible to treat with homeopathy without aggrevating the symptoms. I am already having problems eating, drinking and breathing and I do not need a homeopath to make me feel worse.

Re: In Defense of my concept of Homeopathic Treatment From Joe De Livera on 2006-01-09
Dear Pat,

You are not the first case that I have encountered that had been treated by a homeopath who felt that he was god !
This is a common malaise that some homeopaths assume merely because they have a piece of paper that confers them the right to practice what they learnt during their studies and as some have done like in your case, play god.

In my case I do not have that piece of paper and I have been successful in helping many people who like you were put into a position that you are just scared away from Homeopathy.

I shall be glad to be of help to you if I can and I would like to have more details of your ailment. Please note that the greater the details that you can give me, the better I can try to help you.

Joe De Livera

Re: In Defense of my concept of Homeopathic Treatment From Pat2006 on 2006-01-09
Hello Joe
I will get back to you when I am ready. I'm still afraid.


I truely believe that the reason your prescription of remedies work because you love and care about people. As long as homeoapths play God their prescriptions and remedies will be tainted with POISON and they will never achieve the results that you do with simple LOVE AND KINDNESS.


Is there a remedy for LOVE?

I believe that there are so many sick people and so many diseases in the world more than ever is from lack of LOVE and Kindness.

Glad to know you. Always makes me happy to know someone who has the capacity to love.

Re: In Defense of my concept of Homeopathic Treatment From Joe De Livera on 2006-01-09
This is just a thought in case you do not wish to disclose your ailment on a public forum.

You can always contact me by email and you can get my address by clicking on my name above.

To Pankaj

Throughout the past 25 years of my conversion to Homeopathy which I refused to accept originally as it seemed to me to be so very illogical at that time, I have often wondered what the reason was for this conflict raging within the ranks of the Homeopathic fraternity between the Classical and Non Classical streams.

I do not have sufficient evidence to prove or disprove the relative merits of either stream but when I evaluate fairly the cures that both streams have succeeded in effecting, it seems to me from my own observations, that the Non classical approach which is practiced by the large majority of practicing Homeopaths in the Indian Subcontinent seems to be the winner. It is only too obvious that those who see over 25 patients on a daily basis could not possibly use the classical system complete with the inevitable case taking procedure which usually ends up with the patient being prescribed a constitutional remedy which invariably leads to the poor suffering patient's ailment from going from bad to worse. This is perhaps the ploy that is used by the classical types to ensure that the patient is compelled to visit the classical homeopath on a weekly basis and of course certain financial considerations also come into the equation. And classical homeopaths do not come cheap.

The direct allopathic method that I, in common with the large majority of homeopaths use, is usually almost immediate in its effect on the patient. Reference to the many posts of grateful patients on the ABC who have benefitted, will testify to the efficacy of my therapy. As you are aware I have not made any financial gains out of my practice, as to me Homeopathy is only a Hobby to which I am dedicated and hopefully will be for the rest of my life, at age 77 for as long as I am able.

I believe that it is my originality which I have observed throughout my life, and this does not only include Homeopathy, that has helped me in my own brand of treatment which has been derisively termed 'Joepathy' but this term seem to have stuck as is evident from members using it to qualify my direct approach to Homeopathy which has resulted in some cures which even I often wonder at. It is just the fact that I am convinced that the good God has blessed me with the gift of discovery that I refuse to be sidetracked by those who wish to pontificate on their own classical concept of homeopathy which does not seem to ever get off the ground due to the constraints of the classical system that is ingrained in the majority of those who are qualified who are brainwashed into accepting that there is no salvation except through the classical approach.

I believe that it is just the fact that I have not suffered by qualifying, which in any case I could not do as I was primarily interested in my business undertakings, that prompted me to use existing Homeopathic remedies for ailments which were never used before like Arnica for Diabetes and Eczema and Nat Phos for GERD to name just two for which patients have spent millions to achieve what to me seems a simple cure. I am aware that many classical types have warned the patients who were cured of impending doom as a result of my therapy and I have often emphasized in my posts that up to date there never has been any fulfillment of their prophesies.

I believe that it is just this form of narrow mindedness and also more important, the distortion of facts pertaining to cures that result in the use of the non classical therapy that I promote, that puzzles the patient and also makes him wonder which system he should use. Fortunately for him, there exist a few Homeoapthic forums like the ABC, the new Homeopathy and More and the NCH which the patient can access and post his ailment in the hope of a cure free of any cost. The others like the Otherhealth and Hpathy are the exclusive hunting ground of the classical homeopaths who like to live in their own dreamworld with their theories and remedies which usually do not help the patient as can be seen by visiting them.

It is the obvious pretense that they promote that I abhor and it is my hope that they too will open their classical eyes and at least consider the relative merits of the non classical therapy that I use which has resulted in almost all cases of a successful resolution of the ailment which in many cases has also lead to a cure.

Joe De Livera