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Ruta G ....has been effective with other patients...for bodyache after fever has come down.
 
PANKAJ VARMA last decade
what potency and how many times a day for how many days?
thanks pankaj!
 
moddy last decade
Try 6c or 30c
3 times day..until relief comes...then reduce to twice a day...finally once a day..then stop.
 
PANKAJ VARMA last decade
It all depends o the symptoms presented after the fever goes down.

I gave Bryonia 6c to be repeated every morning and evening for a patient who feels relief when taking rest, and gets aggravated if he starts walking.

He is in Hyderabad. Yesterday I got a phone call that he had tremendous relief within two days.

Why I am telling all this is to tell the importance of modalities. Joint pain may mean atleast 20 medicines. But, joint pains amel. rest ,Bry is the most indicated.

Murthy
 
bandarbabu2000 last decade
Thanks Pankaj for nice discussion on Dengue. Sorry i am quite busy so could not post my experience on this.
 
Dr. R. Saroj last decade
There are 22 remedies that have 'Amelioration by Rest '...under modalities.

Bryonia back ache is centred around small of the back.

Dengue fever aches are in the entire back and the entire body..right up to the toes.

For Dengue fever patients ...Ruta more suited.

For others..case taking required.

Pankaj Varma
 
PANKAJ VARMA last decade
Who is talking of backache here?

Murthy
 
bandarbabu2000 last decade
The discussion was diverted to Chikungunya at the end of page 2, and I think we are discussing it...

Is it not?

Murthy
 
bandarbabu2000 last decade
Dear Murthy,
Govt. of India has declared that Dengue Fever and Chickenguniya are sister viruses and the symptoms being thrown up are almost the same.

Both viruses are exhibiting strong body ache ..all over the body.

People are also experiencing relapse.

Many people have died becoz these two viruses.

There is no room for squabbling here. Lets us all help to the utmost of our ability ...for the benefit of those who are suffering.

Pankaj Varma
 
PANKAJ VARMA last decade
The two viruses are a result of a bite from 'the same family' of mosquitoes. AIIMS doctors have confirmed and informed public thru Newspapers, TV channels etc.

They have also listed the main symptoms being experienced by patients.
 
PANKAJ VARMA last decade
I never said Ruta will not be useful.

Ruta will be useful if the picture presented matches the symptoms of Ruta.

I gave an example of Bryonia curing the after effects.

It is you who said 'Ruta more suited.'

I again repeat, all patients of Chickungunya or Dengue fever can't be cured by any one medicine.

Each patient may need a different medicine. Some may need Ruta.Some Bry.Some Kali Mur.etc....

It is not correct to prejudge, and say this medicine will be more suitable.

My request to all seekers is to give the symptoms in more detail.

Location,sensation and modalities are a must.. along with this concomitant if any...

This is the minimum information required to prescribe for acute problems, like these.

Murthy
 
bandarbabu2000 last decade
The symptoms coming up from Dengue and Chicken guniya fever are more akin to Ruta picture.

I said 'For others ...case taking required'.
 
PANKAJ VARMA last decade
please suggest how can i prepare eupatorium 200 and rhustox 200 one dose in powder form
 
kplavunkal last decade
Dear kplavunkal

Till you get some proficient in making remedies, it's far better to purchase remedies from local homeopathic store or online.
 
maheeru last decade
Yes...like Maheeru is saying....easy to source homeopathic meds in India.
Also.... most potencies are available here....unlike north America where higher than 30C potency is not available off-the-shelf. (Have to specially order or get on-line).

Get WSI of SBL (Indian)...for quality...or German WS/Reckeweg.

Pankaj Varma
 
PANKAJ VARMA last decade
* wsi or sbl
 
PANKAJ VARMA last decade
thank you for your comments. yes i am getting all medicines easily from the medical stores. the smallest quantity is 30ml. My doubt is about preparing 1 dose in a powder form from this 30ml liquid. how many drops and how much powder. because it is easy to carry on travelling.
pls respond
 
kplavunkal last decade
Normally the dispensers take half a spoon of powder and drop 2 or 3 drops of the med.

Use clean butter paper as a base as nothing sticks to it.

Move the butter paper to mix the whole thing.
Donot touch powder with hand...as it will cause contamination.

Pankaj Varma
 
PANKAJ VARMA last decade
thank you Eng. Pankaj Varma,
this was a useful information for me.
thanks again
 
kplavunkal last decade
This is copied from a thread started by Dr. Saroj....becoz it is relevant here:


Possible Dengue with bleeding gums From Dr. R. Saroj on 2006-10-14
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Hi friends:

One of my relative from Delhi reports me four-day history of fever with mild constitutional symptoms but with spontaneous bleeding gums with history of periodontal disease in the patient and family. I going to visit him. Blood reports are pending.
Wanted sincere suggestions:

Patient Data:
female, 30 years, puls lady

Re: Possible Dengue with bleeding gums From maheeru on 2006-10-14
Hi Saroj

We dont know it is haemorrhagic dengue or non lethal dengue.(Because you say patient is residing in Delhi she may be afflicted with Dengue which is now widespread there.)

Only when you reach there you can ascertain which is afflicting your relative.

Remedies useful for Non lethal: Eupatorium, Rhustox, Bry

For Haemorrhagic: Crotalus Horridus, Lachesis.

You could choose one or two remedies among the set according to the indicated symptoms.

One more thing while treating acute, chronic constitution dont take first preference.

Re: Possible Dengue with bleeding gums From PANKAJ VARMA on 2006-10-15
Also consider Phosphorus...if the symptoms indicate.

Pankaj Varma

Re: Possible Dengue with bleeding gums From PANKAJ VARMA on 2006-10-15
With the onset of the disease...if you notice that bleeding is also there in urine stream and / or stool .....then consider Mercurius. Cor.

Pankaj Varma

Re: Possible Dengue with bleeding gums From Dr. R. Saroj on 2006-10-18
Hi friends:

I returned after visiting my relative. The scenario of Dengue is that I spend Sunday, Monday, and Tuesday in that private hospital of Ghaziabad, where my relative was admitted. Her blood count on Saturday revealed 45,000 and diagnosis was made viral fever with bleeding gums. On Saturday night two units of packed red blood cells were transfused and patient recovered very well. I visit the patient and take and give Crotalus Horridus 30 to the patient. I also noticed that the body ache and joint pains were nearly absent in all cases and all most every case of fever, which were investigated found to have low platelet counts. I also donate one unit of blood and surprisingly my bleeding after donating take quite long time for stopping, I free the site after approximately 20 minutes and see my site was not healed so I also suspect that my platelet counts were also gone down may be due to journey and exertion or due to some viral infection.

Re: Possible Dengue with bleeding gums From maheeru on 2006-10-18
Hi Saroj

How did the patient responded to crotalus 30. It'll be interesting to know. Please can you explain?

I hope now your relative is okay.

Re: Possible Dengue with bleeding gums From PANKAJ VARMA on 2006-10-18
Saroj...did you not find sufficient symptoms to warrant use of Phosphorus and/or Mercurius Cor. as suggested by me earlier.

See....blood count going down means liver is severely affected.

Bleeding gums + liver affected + fever + body ache etc.....lead you to the possibility of these two meds.

In a serious situation like this...even some thing pallative...which will increase blood formation will be of great help ...like China whixh is great for making new blood. (another liver remedy).

Best wishes,
Pankaj Varma

Re: Possible Dengue with bleeding gums From maheeru on 2006-10-18
Agreed- Pankaj, in similar severe acute situations, one shouldn't wait with one remedy.

-----------------

I got another e-mail saying:

'black stools with frontal headache' ...with fever.

In such a case consider Leptendra Q...a liver medicine. Check and match all other symptoms....then administer the med.

Pl. get down to saving lives and reducing misery of patients. Many have been infected.

Best wishes,
Pankaj Varma
 
PANKAJ VARMA last decade
If you can't get hold of any medicine...it is middle of the night ...or you are far from a homeopathic store but you have Bio-chemic meds at home....start giving Natrum Sulph. ...it is a liver remedy too.

Pankaj Varma
 
PANKAJ VARMA last decade
CNN-IBN news:
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All over India 110 deaths have taken place becoz of this virus and more than 5000 people infected.

Chances of more getting infected.
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Please help as many people as you can.

Pankaj Varma
 
PANKAJ VARMA last decade
From Doctor on CNN-IBN News Channel:

1. Single bite from the dengue mosquito can cause the virus...
2. The blood count begins to fall two to three days after the mosquito bite.

3. The relapse is more severe than the first time.

4. Apply repellent creams on the body and wear clothes that cover the full body.
 
PANKAJ VARMA last decade
Again from the doctor at CNN-IBN.:

It takes 6 to 8 weeks for a patient to be back to normal after successful treatment.

My comments:

With homeopathic meds...a person will be back to normal health much earlier.

China 30C and Carbo Veg. 30C...two very good meds for reviving a person back to good health after an illness.

China makes new blood in the body.

Pankaj Varma
 
PANKAJ VARMA last decade
Hi friends i am pasting my case of dengue so it can be read who are intresting in dengue fever.

Sorry Pankaj if you don't like this. I am not sure how it will appear on this thread

Hi friends:

One of my relative from Delhi reports me four-day history of fever with mild constitutional symptoms but with spontaneous bleeding gums with history of periodontal disease in the patient and family. I going to visit him. Blood reports are pending.
Wanted sincere suggestions:

Patient Data:
female, 30 years, puls lady

Re: Possible Dengue with bleeding gums From maheeru on 2006-10-14
Hi Saroj

We dont know it is haemorrhagic dengue or non lethal dengue.(Because you say patient is residing in Delhi she may be afflicted with Dengue which is now widespread there.)

Only when you reach there you can ascertain which is afflicting your relative.

Remedies useful for Non lethal: Eupatorium, Rhustox, Bry

For Haemorrhagic: Crotalus Horridus, Lachesis.

You could choose one or two remedies among the set according to the indicated symptoms.

One more thing while treating acute, chronic constitution dont take first preference.

Re: Possible Dengue with bleeding gums From PANKAJ VARMA on 2006-10-15
Also consider Phosphorus...if the symptoms indicate.

Pankaj Varma

Re: Possible Dengue with bleeding gums From PANKAJ VARMA on 2006-10-15
With the onset of the disease...if you notice that bleeding is also there in urine stream and / or stool .....then consider Mercurius. Cor.

Pankaj Varma

Re: Possible Dengue with bleeding gums From Dr. R. Saroj on 2006-10-18
Hi friends:

I returned after visiting my relative. The scenario of Dengue is that I spend Sunday, Monday, and Tuesday in that private hospital of Ghaziabad, where my relative was admitted. Her blood count on Saturday revealed 45,000 and diagnosis was made viral fever with bleeding gums. On Saturday night two units of packed red blood cells were transfused and patient recovered very well. I visit the patient and take and give Crotalus Horridus 30 to the patient. I also noticed that the body ache and joint pains were nearly absent in all cases and all most every case of fever, which were investigated found to have low platelet counts. I also donate one unit of blood and surprisingly my bleeding after donating take quite long time for stopping, I free the site after approximately 20 minutes and see my site was not healed so I also suspect that my platelet counts were also gone down may be due to journey and exertion or due to some viral infection.

Re: Possible Dengue with bleeding gums From maheeru on 2006-10-18
Hi Saroj

How did the patient responded to crotalus 30. It'll be interesting to know. Please can you explain?

I hope now your relative is okay.

Re: Possible Dengue with bleeding gums From PANKAJ VARMA on 2006-10-18
Saroj...did you not find sufficient symptoms to warrant use of Phosphorus and/or Mercurius Cor. as suggested by me earlier.

See....blood count going down means liver is severely affected.

Bleeding gums + liver affected + fever + body ache etc.....lead you to the possibility of these two meds.

In a serious situation like this...even some thing pallative...which will increase blood formation will be of great help ...like China whixh is great for making new blood. (another liver remedy).

Best wishes,
Pankaj Varma

Re: Possible Dengue with bleeding gums From maheeru on 2006-10-18
Agreed- Pankaj, in similar severe acute situations, one shouldn't wait with one remedy.

Re: Possible Dengue with bleeding gums From TimCam on 2006-10-18
How is your relative from Delhi's diet? Does he eat enough fresh vegetables and fruit?

You said '....bleeding gums with history of periodontal disease in the patient and family.'

With not only the patient, but also the family suffering from bleeding gums, this looks like a communal problem with diet, dental hygiene, or environmental conditions.

Besides remedies already given, I suggest eating a healthy diet plus supplementation of vitamin C (1000mg 3 times a day). Only 'ascorbic acid' or 'sodium ascorbate'.

Bleeding Gums are a Symptom of Scurvy
http://www.cforyourself.com/Conditions/Dental_Health/dental_....

Do you have bleeding gums?
http://mybodylanguage.co.uk/bleedinggums.htm


God Bless,
Tim

Re: Possible Dengue with bleeding gums From TimCam on 2006-10-18
If the problem is Dengue fever have a look at the link below. (Long article)
http://www.orthomed.com/klenner.htm

God Bless,
Tim

Re: Possible Dengue with bleeding gums From Dr. R. Saroj on 2006-10-19
Hi friends,

As far regarding response of Crotalus 30 I cannot say anything definitively as the patient was treated along with allopathic medicines and blood transfusion. But my patient responded well in comparison to other and got discharged on Monday evening after getting an adequate platelet counts 95,000.

Regarding use of Phos/Merc cor, I do not think about these medications as all the symptoms were clinical symptoms of dengue fever and also due to lack of time but my last prescription for the patient was China 30 three times a day with advised to eat apple frequently at least for three months.

Regarding, dental problem. I have noticed that inspite of until excessive dental hygiene and diet modification, periodontal disease is very difficult to cure and the patient was already prescribed by the hospital vitamin C and the case is not a case of scurvy in the absence of other symptoms.

Current situation: The patient give me a call today Thursday 19, 2006 and tell me that she had eaten fish in very less quantity but developed some abdominal distention and diarrhea last night, which is improving on afternoon when the patient give me a call. I tell her to continue China 30 and report me on night.

Re: Possible Dengue with bleeding gums From PANKAJ VARMA on 2006-10-19
Happy to know that patient is improving.
 
Dr. R. Saroj last decade
Dear Saroj..... it is a good thing that you have posted it here.

I am here to help others...you are welcome to join the cause.

Wishing you and your family a Happy Diwali !!

Pankaj Varma
 
PANKAJ VARMA last decade

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