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Proof of the pudding?
Quote by Joe De Livera on 2006-10-21, thread: anal fistula.'I really cannot work out a routine for you as you seem to react with a breast lump if you take Silicea. As you have noticed your fistula seems to demand it as without it the pus does not drain out. Between the two, fistula and breast lump, I would feel more concerned with your breast lump which I do not know how to resolve. You will have to make up your mind about how you can best resolve your problemS.'
My reply: '...And there you go Joe, THIS is why a little knowledge of homoeopathy, or indeed any medical science is a dangerous thing, you simply do not know how to resolve any detrimental effects/problems which may arise. You cannot just suggest a particular method, and then tell the patient 'Sorry, I don't know how to fix it, you're on your own', when the treatment YOU have given them, has made them ill.
However good your intentions may be, this is at best detrimental, at worst downright dangerous...'
I don't think I need add anything else to this. People are free to make up their own minds.
-Jacob.
Hahnemania on 2006-10-21
This is just a forum. Assume posts are not from medical professionals.
However, in the interests of fairness, as Joe is so quick to post comments of praise, here is the other side to the story, and some other people's opinions on his 'therapy':
Hahnemania last decade
trishs on 2006-10-02:
'hi joe,
i have a new health concern. but i think it might be related to my abscess and fistula.
this weekend i developed what might be an abscess in my right breast. i have a lump under the skin where there previously was none and the skin is red and warm to the touch.
do you think this is related to my abscess? and the infection travelled?
trish s'
'hi joe,
i have a new health concern. but i think it might be related to my abscess and fistula.
this weekend i developed what might be an abscess in my right breast. i have a lump under the skin where there previously was none and the skin is red and warm to the touch.
do you think this is related to my abscess? and the infection travelled?
trish s'
Hahnemania last decade
trishs on 2006-10-04
'thank you everyone for your advice.
I have an appt for an ultrasound of my breast. I had a mamaogram in july which showed no changes over last year's mamogram. i went to regular doctor who suggested the ultrasound. he also would like me to see a 'breast specialist'
i will stop the silicea and purchase some Conium M 30c. i will let you know what happens.'
'thank you everyone for your advice.
I have an appt for an ultrasound of my breast. I had a mamaogram in july which showed no changes over last year's mamogram. i went to regular doctor who suggested the ultrasound. he also would like me to see a 'breast specialist'
i will stop the silicea and purchase some Conium M 30c. i will let you know what happens.'
Hahnemania last decade
Joe politely told patient about the limitations of his experience.
You are an able person, you should have taken over the case, for the benefit of patient.
You are an able person, you should have taken over the case, for the benefit of patient.
kuldeep last decade
tommyboy on 2006-10-19.
'I have read almost all of the pages in this forum, and I still have a bit of skepticism, as it appears people are healing - but I have not seen complete evidence of a cure for the fistula condition.'
'I have read almost all of the pages in this forum, and I still have a bit of skepticism, as it appears people are healing - but I have not seen complete evidence of a cure for the fistula condition.'
Hahnemania last decade
These are just three posts to 'get the ball rolling', and all that time will allow for no, as I have other comittments. I will add more though when I have time, and anyone else is welcome to post anything they find.
The purpose of this post is not to deride Mr Le vira, and I would hope we can all remain civil. It is merely to present the WHOLE picture, and not just words of praise, which Mr Livera is fond of posting. It is nothing more than a presentation of facts, and the whole truth, so everyone is able to make up their own minds.
-Jacob.
The purpose of this post is not to deride Mr Le vira, and I would hope we can all remain civil. It is merely to present the WHOLE picture, and not just words of praise, which Mr Livera is fond of posting. It is nothing more than a presentation of facts, and the whole truth, so everyone is able to make up their own minds.
-Jacob.
Hahnemania last decade
Dear Kuldeep.
It is the job of trained Homoeopaths to fix the mess caused by the misprescribing of those with little knowledge of the subject?
If you actually scroll the thread, you will also see my advice, re:
'Such abcesses of the breast are also a proving symptom of Silicea, so either you are proving this remedy, or the other remedies you have been taking have supressed the original condition and it has become manifest elsewhere, this would be my experienced observations as a classical Homoeopath.
My advice would be to cease all remedies and see if this rectifies the condition, but of course it is your choice whether or not to pursue this. It would also be interesting to see if the original complaint returns, which it sometimes will once such supressive methods have been ceased, and would prove this assertion admirably. I would be happy to recommend a CURATIVE remedy if/when this occurs.
Good luck and best wishes.'
...Jacob.
It is the job of trained Homoeopaths to fix the mess caused by the misprescribing of those with little knowledge of the subject?
If you actually scroll the thread, you will also see my advice, re:
'Such abcesses of the breast are also a proving symptom of Silicea, so either you are proving this remedy, or the other remedies you have been taking have supressed the original condition and it has become manifest elsewhere, this would be my experienced observations as a classical Homoeopath.
My advice would be to cease all remedies and see if this rectifies the condition, but of course it is your choice whether or not to pursue this. It would also be interesting to see if the original complaint returns, which it sometimes will once such supressive methods have been ceased, and would prove this assertion admirably. I would be happy to recommend a CURATIVE remedy if/when this occurs.
Good luck and best wishes.'
...Jacob.
Hahnemania last decade
dear jacob
classical homeopaths also refer their lost and failed cases to other homeopaths.
A standard practice in medical industry.
Classicals also consult with others. In the town where I accidently started practicing homeopathy, classcals sent their lost cases to me and I sent them mine.
Most of the case were resolved by second opinion.
As I said before a whole classical homeopathy medical college was treating a girl with failing kidneys. Just a week before the transplant, I gave her eel serum and she recovered.
Medical College Principal came to me fighting.. defective treatment....Mal treatment... symptoms didn't match... Mind symptome didn't match..
So Joe politely declined a case... I see wishdom here.
I think you never decline a case even patient has terminal cancer.
classical homeopaths also refer their lost and failed cases to other homeopaths.
A standard practice in medical industry.
Classicals also consult with others. In the town where I accidently started practicing homeopathy, classcals sent their lost cases to me and I sent them mine.
Most of the case were resolved by second opinion.
As I said before a whole classical homeopathy medical college was treating a girl with failing kidneys. Just a week before the transplant, I gave her eel serum and she recovered.
Medical College Principal came to me fighting.. defective treatment....Mal treatment... symptoms didn't match... Mind symptome didn't match..
So Joe politely declined a case... I see wishdom here.
I think you never decline a case even patient has terminal cancer.
kuldeep last decade
He did not 'decline the case', he did not know how to deal with the side effects of his OWN (by his own admission) therapy. If Joe claims to have 'pioneered' such a thing, should he not also have the knowledge of how to rectify any problems resulting from it?
Consulting with others to help with a case is a far cry from pushing a patient away because you do not know how to treat the problems you yourself have caused them. I have never done this, and I am sure this is the case for almost every other classical Homoeopath, and again of course, Joe is not a Homoeopath, neither is he practicing Homoeopathy, both by his own admissions.
-Jacob.
Consulting with others to help with a case is a far cry from pushing a patient away because you do not know how to treat the problems you yourself have caused them. I have never done this, and I am sure this is the case for almost every other classical Homoeopath, and again of course, Joe is not a Homoeopath, neither is he practicing Homoeopathy, both by his own admissions.
-Jacob.
Hahnemania last decade
Dear Jacob
He never claimed to be a homeopathy God. He clearly said that:
would feel more concerned with your breast lump which I do not know how to resolve.
Joe anticepated that lump could be a tumor etc. could be just an inflammed lymph node. In my own opinion at that stage patient needs some tests done and needs modern medical advice.
Cancer is called cancer because it secretely invades with speed.
I see Joe's wisdom in this all.
He never claimed to be a homeopathy God. He clearly said that:
would feel more concerned with your breast lump which I do not know how to resolve.
Joe anticepated that lump could be a tumor etc. could be just an inflammed lymph node. In my own opinion at that stage patient needs some tests done and needs modern medical advice.
Cancer is called cancer because it secretely invades with speed.
I see Joe's wisdom in this all.
kuldeep last decade
Dear Jacob,
The strange thing is that you consider Murthy as capable...who has not shown us even one complete case of 'case taking and prescription'. Just because he endorses the Classical Homeopathy view points !!
Do you think people will not question your capability because of that mis-judgement??
Pankaj Varma
The strange thing is that you consider Murthy as capable...who has not shown us even one complete case of 'case taking and prescription'. Just because he endorses the Classical Homeopathy view points !!
Do you think people will not question your capability because of that mis-judgement??
Pankaj Varma
♡ PANKAJ VARMA last decade
♡ PANKAJ VARMA last decade
We know Murthy is on the pay roll of H'pathy Forum (he has admitted it himself in reply to Joe)....He is trying to discredit the Forum here by trying to show all others in bad light.
♡ PANKAJ VARMA last decade
Hi Pankaj
I told you many times, that I will not take a case, unless all the required details are available.
That is against the philosophy of classical homeopathy.Whenever,all the details are available I am prescribing.
See the thread 'Heavy periods'.
Now, will you kindly stop these baseless allegations?
Hpathy doesn't pay anybody.
It is a movement propelled by decent and competent homeopaths, and not by a mongrel sect like you people, and all of them contribute free.
Don't drag Hpathy into these discussions. They have nothing to do it.
Since Joe rised the issue, I replied to it.I never said I am on the 'pay roll' of Hpathy.
You make baseless allegations, and don't show your face, when challenged.
will you please look back and highlight the thread where I said I am on the 'pay roll' of Hpathy?
Murthy
I told you many times, that I will not take a case, unless all the required details are available.
That is against the philosophy of classical homeopathy.Whenever,all the details are available I am prescribing.
See the thread 'Heavy periods'.
Now, will you kindly stop these baseless allegations?
Hpathy doesn't pay anybody.
It is a movement propelled by decent and competent homeopaths, and not by a mongrel sect like you people, and all of them contribute free.
Don't drag Hpathy into these discussions. They have nothing to do it.
Since Joe rised the issue, I replied to it.I never said I am on the 'pay roll' of Hpathy.
You make baseless allegations, and don't show your face, when challenged.
will you please look back and highlight the thread where I said I am on the 'pay roll' of Hpathy?
Murthy
bandarbabu2000 last decade
Dear Pankaj
He is sick, let's treat him. Joe has recommended Arnica 6c.
Current symptoms match to
LYSSINUM
Lyssin-Saliva of Rabid Dog
(HYDROPHOBINUM)
He should try it. Many people will come to say thanks to me.
He is sick, let's treat him. Joe has recommended Arnica 6c.
Current symptoms match to
LYSSINUM
Lyssin-Saliva of Rabid Dog
(HYDROPHOBINUM)
He should try it. Many people will come to say thanks to me.
kuldeep last decade
Hi Kuldeep
You are the sickest fellow on this earth.
You are in such a sick state that, you will even try and press the buttons of your mother,even at this age.
Murthy
You are the sickest fellow on this earth.
You are in such a sick state that, you will even try and press the buttons of your mother,even at this age.
Murthy
bandarbabu2000 last decade
I am grateful to both Kuldeep and Pankaj for supporting me in this controversy that HahneMANIA (HM) has initiated on the ABC which he joined about a month ago. I note that he has started this new thread which I have been monitoring since yesterday and felt that I should also participate in it as it pertains to me and my Joepathy.
I must admit that I am simply overawed and shocked by the latest posts made by no less a person that Gavin Murthy who has up to now been a gentleman but I presume that with the passage of time coupled to some form of stimulant which he may be using, makes him feel like a superman classical homeopath which are so very different from his previous attitude to homeopathy and to life. I state this as I have been in constant contact with him in the past both on the forums and by email and he has never been known to display his present transformed attitude to me and others. I note with concern that he has taken up cudgels with Kuldeep who has joined in the fray as he has too may have finally decided to ensure that those who post on the ABC do so to help members who would like to have some assistance to cure the ailments they are suffering from, which up to the time that these two proponents of classical homeopathy decided to inflict their presence on it, was a largely peaceful place with just one female pseudo homeopath would inflict her presence on it occasionally to disrupt its peace.
It simply amazes me how the very busy homeopath, that Jacob claims to be, can waste so much of his precious time away from his many patients whom he treats daily and can still find the time to infest this forum that was once peaceful up to the time that he and his ally Murthy invaded it with the avowed mission to prove to the membership that the therapy that I and the other prescribers have suggested to at least half the patients I have advised in my posts, is dangerous for their health. He has only to read into the replies on almost every post that I have made to realize that the therapy that I have indicated has in the majority of cases helped the patient in some way and in others in an almost miraculous way. I can think of my prescription of Arnica 1 M which I gave an 83 year old who had lost his motor functions who in just 17 days was found missing as he had walked alone after about a year to visit his barber. I used that same remedy for the 21 year old patient who was in a coma for 2 months and he woke up in just 7 days. There are many other miracles that I have succeeded to perform and also many original discoveries like Arnica for Diabetes or Nat Phos for Obesity that have never been recorded in the current MM's in use today.
I have often wondered what the real reason is that HM has concentrated his attacks on me and has even gone down to a personal level to do so. I have mentioned my concern in the recent past and wondered if he has been delegated by some group of classical homeopaths who have finally decided that my inroads into their preserve cannot be tolerated any more and decided to delegate him to continue with his attacks on me in the fond hope that I will be scared off the ABC.
I have been trying to open the eyes of the fraternity of classical homeopaths that it is not only their classically identified constitutional remedies that can help to cure an ailment. My own method of the direct approach has worked admirably well and what is more is that this is the same approach towards healing, that is practiced by the majority of homeopaths throughout the Indian subcontinent as they too have discovered that the classical case taking attitude is only good for use when the direct allopathic method cannot identify the remedy. I would like to repeat the statement that I have made in the past that the identification of that elusive remedy cannot be successfully done without the aid of Homeopathic software which I too use when necessary, in my case Radar 9.2 as the human mind alone cannot identify the single remedy that will help the patient from the many thousands that are at hand.
As members may be aware, my attitude to homeopathy is that, whilst all of us who have studied this science owe its founder a deep debt of gratitude for his discovery of the Homeopathic Philosophy 200 years ago, I do feel that it is time to ensure that this science is permitted to march into the 21st century by using remedies that have been discovered like for instance Arnica for Diabetes, and to use the allopathic method in curing ailments which I am others have proved is also possible without the classical attitude that Hahnemann first promoted.
I in common with many thousands of practicing homeopaths have discovered that if one remedy helps to cure a given ailment, it will usually repeat its beneficial effect in the case of another patient who presents with the same ailment. For instance I have discovered that the majority of Diabetics can be helped with Arnica and Cinnamon and I have hundreds of grateful patients who are now happy with using these 2 remedies in preference to using the drugs that were prescribed for their condition which will invariably lead to side effects in a few years, which are best avoided.
I would like to assure HM that his concerted efforts to elbow me out of the ABC will not succeed and this assurance also goes out to Murthy and Nisha who is really a lot of hot air which she thinks she generates in her pseudo homeopathic bulletins which are scoffed by members of this forum.
It is also very strange that in spite of HM's constant attacks many patients still continue to post their ailments, some of them addressed to me directly or in the alternative continue to use the therapy that I have prescribed. I do really wonder what the reason is that HM is so obsessed with the idea that ALL the therapy that I have advised can only lead to serious danger to the patient and he has now used the single example of the breast lump to prove to the membership how true his doomsday prediction has been. He fails to consider the many thousands of cases that I have been instrumental in curing and reference to my posts which number over 4500 today will be an eye opener to those who read these controversial posts.
I shall copy his post which he obviously made with unmitigated glee below:
re: anal fistula- fissure
From Hahnemania
on 2006-10-21
QUOTE: 'I really cannot work out a routine for you as you seem to react with a breast lump if you take Silicea. As you have noticed your fistula seems to demand it as without it the pus does not drain out. Between the two, fistula and breast lump, I would feel more concerned with your breast lump which I do not know how to resolve.'
...And there you go Joe, THIS is why a little knowledge of homoeopathy, or indeed any medical science is a dangerous thing, you simply do not know how to resolve any detrimental effects/problems which may arise. You cannot just suggest a particular method, and then tell the patient 'Sorry, I don't know how to fix it, you're on your own', when the treatment YOU have given them, has made them ill.
However good your intentions may be, this is at best detrimental, at worst downright dangerous...
As Pankaj stated in his post above, a problem such as this is by no means uncommon with other homeopaths and doctors too and when the prescriber is in a similar situation, he asks for help from colleagues as I have done. I am naturally concerned that the Silicea has triggered the breast lump and the obvious method of helping the breast lump is to stop the Silicea but this makes the fistula to close up its drainage and causes more problems. I believe that the lump is due to a lyumph gland blocking up and hope that the Arnica that the patient is taking can help to open it up.
It seems a shame that the ABC should have degenerated into a virtual battlefield today and it is my hope that it will soon return to its peaceful state where members post their ailments and we the long standing resident band of prescribers are able to help them without interference from the classical trolls who now infest it.
Joe De Livera
I must admit that I am simply overawed and shocked by the latest posts made by no less a person that Gavin Murthy who has up to now been a gentleman but I presume that with the passage of time coupled to some form of stimulant which he may be using, makes him feel like a superman classical homeopath which are so very different from his previous attitude to homeopathy and to life. I state this as I have been in constant contact with him in the past both on the forums and by email and he has never been known to display his present transformed attitude to me and others. I note with concern that he has taken up cudgels with Kuldeep who has joined in the fray as he has too may have finally decided to ensure that those who post on the ABC do so to help members who would like to have some assistance to cure the ailments they are suffering from, which up to the time that these two proponents of classical homeopathy decided to inflict their presence on it, was a largely peaceful place with just one female pseudo homeopath would inflict her presence on it occasionally to disrupt its peace.
It simply amazes me how the very busy homeopath, that Jacob claims to be, can waste so much of his precious time away from his many patients whom he treats daily and can still find the time to infest this forum that was once peaceful up to the time that he and his ally Murthy invaded it with the avowed mission to prove to the membership that the therapy that I and the other prescribers have suggested to at least half the patients I have advised in my posts, is dangerous for their health. He has only to read into the replies on almost every post that I have made to realize that the therapy that I have indicated has in the majority of cases helped the patient in some way and in others in an almost miraculous way. I can think of my prescription of Arnica 1 M which I gave an 83 year old who had lost his motor functions who in just 17 days was found missing as he had walked alone after about a year to visit his barber. I used that same remedy for the 21 year old patient who was in a coma for 2 months and he woke up in just 7 days. There are many other miracles that I have succeeded to perform and also many original discoveries like Arnica for Diabetes or Nat Phos for Obesity that have never been recorded in the current MM's in use today.
I have often wondered what the real reason is that HM has concentrated his attacks on me and has even gone down to a personal level to do so. I have mentioned my concern in the recent past and wondered if he has been delegated by some group of classical homeopaths who have finally decided that my inroads into their preserve cannot be tolerated any more and decided to delegate him to continue with his attacks on me in the fond hope that I will be scared off the ABC.
I have been trying to open the eyes of the fraternity of classical homeopaths that it is not only their classically identified constitutional remedies that can help to cure an ailment. My own method of the direct approach has worked admirably well and what is more is that this is the same approach towards healing, that is practiced by the majority of homeopaths throughout the Indian subcontinent as they too have discovered that the classical case taking attitude is only good for use when the direct allopathic method cannot identify the remedy. I would like to repeat the statement that I have made in the past that the identification of that elusive remedy cannot be successfully done without the aid of Homeopathic software which I too use when necessary, in my case Radar 9.2 as the human mind alone cannot identify the single remedy that will help the patient from the many thousands that are at hand.
As members may be aware, my attitude to homeopathy is that, whilst all of us who have studied this science owe its founder a deep debt of gratitude for his discovery of the Homeopathic Philosophy 200 years ago, I do feel that it is time to ensure that this science is permitted to march into the 21st century by using remedies that have been discovered like for instance Arnica for Diabetes, and to use the allopathic method in curing ailments which I am others have proved is also possible without the classical attitude that Hahnemann first promoted.
I in common with many thousands of practicing homeopaths have discovered that if one remedy helps to cure a given ailment, it will usually repeat its beneficial effect in the case of another patient who presents with the same ailment. For instance I have discovered that the majority of Diabetics can be helped with Arnica and Cinnamon and I have hundreds of grateful patients who are now happy with using these 2 remedies in preference to using the drugs that were prescribed for their condition which will invariably lead to side effects in a few years, which are best avoided.
I would like to assure HM that his concerted efforts to elbow me out of the ABC will not succeed and this assurance also goes out to Murthy and Nisha who is really a lot of hot air which she thinks she generates in her pseudo homeopathic bulletins which are scoffed by members of this forum.
It is also very strange that in spite of HM's constant attacks many patients still continue to post their ailments, some of them addressed to me directly or in the alternative continue to use the therapy that I have prescribed. I do really wonder what the reason is that HM is so obsessed with the idea that ALL the therapy that I have advised can only lead to serious danger to the patient and he has now used the single example of the breast lump to prove to the membership how true his doomsday prediction has been. He fails to consider the many thousands of cases that I have been instrumental in curing and reference to my posts which number over 4500 today will be an eye opener to those who read these controversial posts.
I shall copy his post which he obviously made with unmitigated glee below:
re: anal fistula- fissure
From Hahnemania
on 2006-10-21
QUOTE: 'I really cannot work out a routine for you as you seem to react with a breast lump if you take Silicea. As you have noticed your fistula seems to demand it as without it the pus does not drain out. Between the two, fistula and breast lump, I would feel more concerned with your breast lump which I do not know how to resolve.'
...And there you go Joe, THIS is why a little knowledge of homoeopathy, or indeed any medical science is a dangerous thing, you simply do not know how to resolve any detrimental effects/problems which may arise. You cannot just suggest a particular method, and then tell the patient 'Sorry, I don't know how to fix it, you're on your own', when the treatment YOU have given them, has made them ill.
However good your intentions may be, this is at best detrimental, at worst downright dangerous...
As Pankaj stated in his post above, a problem such as this is by no means uncommon with other homeopaths and doctors too and when the prescriber is in a similar situation, he asks for help from colleagues as I have done. I am naturally concerned that the Silicea has triggered the breast lump and the obvious method of helping the breast lump is to stop the Silicea but this makes the fistula to close up its drainage and causes more problems. I believe that the lump is due to a lyumph gland blocking up and hope that the Arnica that the patient is taking can help to open it up.
It seems a shame that the ABC should have degenerated into a virtual battlefield today and it is my hope that it will soon return to its peaceful state where members post their ailments and we the long standing resident band of prescribers are able to help them without interference from the classical trolls who now infest it.
Joe De Livera
♡ Joe De Livera last decade
kuldeep last decade
Murthy,
On 18 Oct 2006 you said this:
Re: Should you stop other medication From bandarbabu2000 on 2006-10-18
Dear Pankaj
Please wait for a few days to see my way of prescribing.
On 22 Oct 2006 you are saying this:
Re: Proof of the pudding? From bandarbabu2000 on 2006-10-22
Hi Pankaj
I told you many times, that I will not take a case, unless all the required details are available.
-------
Surely a 'monkey jump' !!
Post your questionnaire...no body stopped you from getting the details.
There are many people waiting to see your homeopathic skills. You have shown enough of your 'warfare' skills.
Pankaj Varma
On 18 Oct 2006 you said this:
Re: Should you stop other medication From bandarbabu2000 on 2006-10-18
Dear Pankaj
Please wait for a few days to see my way of prescribing.
On 22 Oct 2006 you are saying this:
Re: Proof of the pudding? From bandarbabu2000 on 2006-10-22
Hi Pankaj
I told you many times, that I will not take a case, unless all the required details are available.
-------
Surely a 'monkey jump' !!
Post your questionnaire...no body stopped you from getting the details.
There are many people waiting to see your homeopathic skills. You have shown enough of your 'warfare' skills.
Pankaj Varma
♡ PANKAJ VARMA last decade
for proof of a perverted mind :
please visit this links :
http://www.abchomeopathy.com/forum2.php/87029
http://www.abchomeopathy.com/forum2.php/87375/
http://www.abchomeopathy.com/forum2.php/87446/
to check out 'how' the incarnation of 'lord krishna alias kuldeep', likes to press my buttons.
please visit this links :
http://www.abchomeopathy.com/forum2.php/87029
http://www.abchomeopathy.com/forum2.php/87375/
http://www.abchomeopathy.com/forum2.php/87446/
to check out 'how' the incarnation of 'lord krishna alias kuldeep', likes to press my buttons.
Nesha-India last decade
I told you many times that have alreay started prescribing, and asked you to look around.
You are so lazy to do it, and keep poking your nose.
O.K.I will Tell you,the thread.
Go and see Heavy Periods,also Nux.Vomica.
I don't believe in questionnaries,and asking leading questions, the way you do.
Information has to come spontaneously.
Don't ask this stupid question again and again.
Murthy
You are so lazy to do it, and keep poking your nose.
O.K.I will Tell you,the thread.
Go and see Heavy Periods,also Nux.Vomica.
I don't believe in questionnaries,and asking leading questions, the way you do.
Information has to come spontaneously.
Don't ask this stupid question again and again.
Murthy
bandarbabu2000 last decade
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