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Following are Dr. Deoshlok's comments on cure for High BP through homeopathy...which are the result of great experience of over 20 years and seeing many many patients every day during those 20 years.--------------------
Re: kind attn. dr. panka varma- & dr. deoshlok - hypertension, anxiety & depression From deoshlok on 2006-12-14
try batch flower remedy i.e. Rescue 2 drops three times in a day for a month and report me. and continue your alopathic drugs for BP medicine in homoeopathic no dependable drugs for BP but for other problem start rescue three times in a day till get the good result.
dr.deoshlok sharma
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At the other end of the spectrum are the views of gavinimurthy and Rajiv Prasad who have been claiming that if you follow Classical Homeopathy,have mastered the Organan as they have done and apply it to individual cases....a cure will surely result.
May I request other prescribers to comment on this diversity in views.
Pankaj Varma
♥ PANKAJ VARMA on 2006-12-14
This is just a forum. Assume posts are not from medical professionals.
Dear Pankaj,
I have been keeping away from your nice litle 'debates' and yet you insist on dragging me in by specifically writing my name.Earlier i used to think that you are a genuine spiritual seeker like i am and hence never doubted your character.I thought you are a kind and upright man who practices a certain type of homepathy because of hisapparent successes with that style.
But more i observe you more i reach the conclusion (very sadly) that you are not what you pretend to be on your spiritual thread.You are just an ordinary power hungry and argumentative man who is only concerned with winning an argument at any cost.You would have been well served if you were a good logician at least even though you are not well versed with fundamentals of homeopathy.Your citing Dr. Deoshlok's prescription (an acute one at that) because he could not identify the 'similimum' despite the patient giving his case,to raise questions about the Organon is so ridiculously illogical that i don't know what to say to you.
It is like two blind men getting together and deciding people with eyes cannot see.If everything that the 'classical homeopathy' teaches is crap, then how did people like Kent, Clarke, Nash etc. cured thousands.To be contemporary on this forum, how is Molly Dalton being cured of all her ailments one after the other with a single remedy.
Don't worry.I will give you hundreds of such live cases on this forum over next 30-40 yeasr.I am here to stay my friend.
All the best.
Rajiv
I have been keeping away from your nice litle 'debates' and yet you insist on dragging me in by specifically writing my name.Earlier i used to think that you are a genuine spiritual seeker like i am and hence never doubted your character.I thought you are a kind and upright man who practices a certain type of homepathy because of hisapparent successes with that style.
But more i observe you more i reach the conclusion (very sadly) that you are not what you pretend to be on your spiritual thread.You are just an ordinary power hungry and argumentative man who is only concerned with winning an argument at any cost.You would have been well served if you were a good logician at least even though you are not well versed with fundamentals of homeopathy.Your citing Dr. Deoshlok's prescription (an acute one at that) because he could not identify the 'similimum' despite the patient giving his case,to raise questions about the Organon is so ridiculously illogical that i don't know what to say to you.
It is like two blind men getting together and deciding people with eyes cannot see.If everything that the 'classical homeopathy' teaches is crap, then how did people like Kent, Clarke, Nash etc. cured thousands.To be contemporary on this forum, how is Molly Dalton being cured of all her ailments one after the other with a single remedy.
Don't worry.I will give you hundreds of such live cases on this forum over next 30-40 yeasr.I am here to stay my friend.
All the best.
Rajiv
♡ rajivprasad last decade
Dear Rajiv,
1.I did not say anything in my post to suggest that Classical Homeopathy is crap.
I apply many fundamentals of Classical homeopathy my self.
2. Further, you mean we cannot discuss diversity in views on homeopathy on this Forum???
I think your post is uncalled for...and your personal comments about me even more uncalled for.
Pankaj Varma
1.I did not say anything in my post to suggest that Classical Homeopathy is crap.
I apply many fundamentals of Classical homeopathy my self.
2. Further, you mean we cannot discuss diversity in views on homeopathy on this Forum???
I think your post is uncalled for...and your personal comments about me even more uncalled for.
Pankaj Varma
♡ PANKAJ VARMA last decade
Dear Pankaj,
Believe me, i still somehow believe that you are a good person at heart.But your behaviour at times is very difficult to understand for me.For example, this tendency to pick quarrels.
You tell me what is there to debate about the Organon?It is a given like things are given in all subjects.For example, the concept of 4 P's are fundamental to Marketing Management.Trade off between risk and return is fundamental to finance.Speed of light is a given in Physics.
Similarly, the principles laid down in the Organon are a given.But homeopathy does not stop there.It only starts on a solid footing from there.Then there are other thinkers like Kent, Boenninghausen, Hering, Nash, Koppikar,Rajan Sankaran, Praful Vijaykar, David Little, Vithoulkas, S.R. Phatak(someone who gave high potency remedies for months on end) and many more.
Have i ever argued against your way of prescribing on your threads?No. Why have i not done that?Because i know that your style of prescribing also works and i know from experience.But given a choice, nothing works like the 'similimum'.I hope you will agree with me.If you do, then there is hardly any scope for firther 'debate' which actually may turn out to be another 'war' if not nipped in the bud.
I suggest that let us serve the patients and forget these debates for the time being.We have had enough in recent past.
Rajiv
Believe me, i still somehow believe that you are a good person at heart.But your behaviour at times is very difficult to understand for me.For example, this tendency to pick quarrels.
You tell me what is there to debate about the Organon?It is a given like things are given in all subjects.For example, the concept of 4 P's are fundamental to Marketing Management.Trade off between risk and return is fundamental to finance.Speed of light is a given in Physics.
Similarly, the principles laid down in the Organon are a given.But homeopathy does not stop there.It only starts on a solid footing from there.Then there are other thinkers like Kent, Boenninghausen, Hering, Nash, Koppikar,Rajan Sankaran, Praful Vijaykar, David Little, Vithoulkas, S.R. Phatak(someone who gave high potency remedies for months on end) and many more.
Have i ever argued against your way of prescribing on your threads?No. Why have i not done that?Because i know that your style of prescribing also works and i know from experience.But given a choice, nothing works like the 'similimum'.I hope you will agree with me.If you do, then there is hardly any scope for firther 'debate' which actually may turn out to be another 'war' if not nipped in the bud.
I suggest that let us serve the patients and forget these debates for the time being.We have had enough in recent past.
Rajiv
♡ rajivprasad last decade
Dear Rajiv,
I have brought out two different opinons that had emerged here at ABC. There was nothing personal about my first post...only divergent opinions on homeopathy.
Your post immediately after that made it look like one man against another...rather than one view vs. a second view.
I made a post with genuine interest in knowing the views of many more people who are members of this Forum.
There is nothing personal in it from my side.
Pankaj Varma
I have brought out two different opinons that had emerged here at ABC. There was nothing personal about my first post...only divergent opinions on homeopathy.
Your post immediately after that made it look like one man against another...rather than one view vs. a second view.
I made a post with genuine interest in knowing the views of many more people who are members of this Forum.
There is nothing personal in it from my side.
Pankaj Varma
♡ PANKAJ VARMA last decade
♡ rajivprasad last decade
I normally don't take even the tissue salts more than one dose, unnecessarily.
I take one dose, and wait. Most of the time, one dose is enough.
For homeo medicines to work this way, one very important thing is to stop using allopathic medicines completely, except in real emergencies.
Once the influence of allopathic medicines is gone from the body, homeopathy works real fast.
This is my personal experience.
Murthy
I take one dose, and wait. Most of the time, one dose is enough.
For homeo medicines to work this way, one very important thing is to stop using allopathic medicines completely, except in real emergencies.
Once the influence of allopathic medicines is gone from the body, homeopathy works real fast.
This is my personal experience.
Murthy
♡ gavinimurthy last decade
This is from another thread. Biplasma healed him. Bioplasma are combination remedies of cell salts.
Pl. see below.
Pankaj Varma
re: anal fistula- fissure From cured by Shuessler on 2006-12-15
Hello,
I had a perianal abscess which I believed has been cured by Shuessler's Bioplasma. I suffered with it for a couple months until I came upon this and other forums. Since I didn't find Silicea and the other recommended remedies in single form, I opted for taking the Bioplasma, which has a lot of the remedies herein mentioned. I believe the sitz baths with epsom salts twice a day, extreme cleanliness, good bowel movements and ingesting lots of wheat germ and gotu cola tablets have finally healed my abscess. I wanted to thank the people who contributed the information on this thread. I am sold on Bioplasma, it gave me a lot of energy and lightened the dark circles under my eyes. Thanks again for teaching me about homeopathy.
Pl. see below.
Pankaj Varma
re: anal fistula- fissure From cured by Shuessler on 2006-12-15
Hello,
I had a perianal abscess which I believed has been cured by Shuessler's Bioplasma. I suffered with it for a couple months until I came upon this and other forums. Since I didn't find Silicea and the other recommended remedies in single form, I opted for taking the Bioplasma, which has a lot of the remedies herein mentioned. I believe the sitz baths with epsom salts twice a day, extreme cleanliness, good bowel movements and ingesting lots of wheat germ and gotu cola tablets have finally healed my abscess. I wanted to thank the people who contributed the information on this thread. I am sold on Bioplasma, it gave me a lot of energy and lightened the dark circles under my eyes. Thanks again for teaching me about homeopathy.
♡ PANKAJ VARMA last decade
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'I believe the sitz baths with epsom salts twice a day, extreme cleanliness, good bowel movements and ingesting lots of wheat germ and gotu cola tablets have finally healed my abscess.'
He did lot many things alongwith taking Bioplasma.
How do we conclude that Bioplasma really helped him?
It could be due to any one of the above.
Murthy
'I believe the sitz baths with epsom salts twice a day, extreme cleanliness, good bowel movements and ingesting lots of wheat germ and gotu cola tablets have finally healed my abscess.'
He did lot many things alongwith taking Bioplasma.
How do we conclude that Bioplasma really helped him?
It could be due to any one of the above.
Murthy
♡ gavinimurthy last decade
These are his opening lines dear Murthy of his post:
' had a perianal abscess which I believed has been cured by Shuessler's Bioplasma.'
Last night only....I was reading a book on 'selective blindness'. Very useful book.
Pankaj Varma
' had a perianal abscess which I believed has been cured by Shuessler's Bioplasma.'
Last night only....I was reading a book on 'selective blindness'. Very useful book.
Pankaj Varma
♡ PANKAJ VARMA last decade
♡ gavinimurthy last decade
Beliefs are different from science.
If there are ten variables, which influences the outcome, science tells us to change one variable and see the response, keeping all the remaining conditions same.
Then only we can infer the effect of changing that particular variable.
If you change five variables simultaneously, there is no way to judge the results.
There will be lot of surmises only.
Homeopathy as a science insists on the single medicine approach, precisely for the same reason.
Murthy
If there are ten variables, which influences the outcome, science tells us to change one variable and see the response, keeping all the remaining conditions same.
Then only we can infer the effect of changing that particular variable.
If you change five variables simultaneously, there is no way to judge the results.
There will be lot of surmises only.
Homeopathy as a science insists on the single medicine approach, precisely for the same reason.
Murthy
♡ gavinimurthy last decade
Don't agree entirely...becoz ...sometimesa group of meds work.
It is a never ending debate.
Pankaj Varma
It is a never ending debate.
Pankaj Varma
♡ PANKAJ VARMA last decade
Again an influence of allopathic thinking.
Allopathic doctors prescribe an antibiotic to fight the infection.
Since an antibiotic is likely to cause heartburn, they invariably prescribe an antacid too.
Since it is known that antibiotics reduce the absorption of vitamins, particularly vitamin c, they add a multivitamin tablet too.
The antibiotic is the medicine that fights the infection. The other two are given to prevent the side effects of the antibiotic.
It doesn't mean all the three work to fight the primary problem of killing the bacteria.
Similar is the philosophy in Aurveda too.
Fortunately, there is an altogether different and better philosophy in homeopathy, and those who know about it, and follow it, get complete cures by the single medicine concept.
The more we debate, the better for the visitors, to understand the real homeopathic concepts.
Murthy
Allopathic doctors prescribe an antibiotic to fight the infection.
Since an antibiotic is likely to cause heartburn, they invariably prescribe an antacid too.
Since it is known that antibiotics reduce the absorption of vitamins, particularly vitamin c, they add a multivitamin tablet too.
The antibiotic is the medicine that fights the infection. The other two are given to prevent the side effects of the antibiotic.
It doesn't mean all the three work to fight the primary problem of killing the bacteria.
Similar is the philosophy in Aurveda too.
Fortunately, there is an altogether different and better philosophy in homeopathy, and those who know about it, and follow it, get complete cures by the single medicine concept.
The more we debate, the better for the visitors, to understand the real homeopathic concepts.
Murthy
♡ gavinimurthy last decade
Murthy...if what you are saying is right...then Dr. Deoshlok must be joking when he wrote the following post:
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Re: kind attn. dr. panka varma- & dr. deoshlok - hypertension, anxiety & depression From deoshlok on 2006-12-14
try batch flower remedy i.e. Rescue 2 drops three times in a day for a month and report me. and continue your alopathic drugs for BP medicine in homoeopathic no dependable drugs for BP but for other problem start rescue three times in a day till get the good result.
dr.deoshlok sharma
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After all he studied to be a Classical Homeopath.
Pankaj Varma
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Re: kind attn. dr. panka varma- & dr. deoshlok - hypertension, anxiety & depression From deoshlok on 2006-12-14
try batch flower remedy i.e. Rescue 2 drops three times in a day for a month and report me. and continue your alopathic drugs for BP medicine in homoeopathic no dependable drugs for BP but for other problem start rescue three times in a day till get the good result.
dr.deoshlok sharma
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After all he studied to be a Classical Homeopath.
Pankaj Varma
♡ PANKAJ VARMA last decade
Dear Pankaj,
If you look at the Dr. Deoshlok's post, the language and the content is not that of a classical homeopath.
'try batch flower remedy i.e. Rescue 2 drops three times in a day for a month and report me. and continue your alopathic drugs for BP medicine in homoeopathic no dependable drugs for BP but for other problem start rescue three times in a day till get the good result.'
When he says that 'in homoeopathic no dependable drugs for BP but for other problem start rescue three times in a day till get the good result', he is straightaway acknowledging two things.First, he is treating BP and not the patient.Second, for other problems, take ......For a classical homeopath, all problems relate to a single disturbance in the vital force.He treats the patient and not the disease.By saying these two things, he is also acknowledging two things.First, he is not a 'classical homeopath' as i just proved above.Second, he could not find the 'similimum' for the patient.
In fact the tragic joke is that people are trained to become 'classical homeopaths' but end up becoming 'allopathic homeopaths' or 'homeopathic allopaths' which is neither here nor there.
I hope this concludes this debate.
Rajiv
If you look at the Dr. Deoshlok's post, the language and the content is not that of a classical homeopath.
'try batch flower remedy i.e. Rescue 2 drops three times in a day for a month and report me. and continue your alopathic drugs for BP medicine in homoeopathic no dependable drugs for BP but for other problem start rescue three times in a day till get the good result.'
When he says that 'in homoeopathic no dependable drugs for BP but for other problem start rescue three times in a day till get the good result', he is straightaway acknowledging two things.First, he is treating BP and not the patient.Second, for other problems, take ......For a classical homeopath, all problems relate to a single disturbance in the vital force.He treats the patient and not the disease.By saying these two things, he is also acknowledging two things.First, he is not a 'classical homeopath' as i just proved above.Second, he could not find the 'similimum' for the patient.
In fact the tragic joke is that people are trained to become 'classical homeopaths' but end up becoming 'allopathic homeopaths' or 'homeopathic allopaths' which is neither here nor there.
I hope this concludes this debate.
Rajiv
♡ rajivprasad last decade
Dear Rajiv,
You have given a very thought provoking reply.
The question now arises...why Classically trained homeopaths convert themselves to 'mixed homeopaths' ?
May be some one who has himself gone through this process will be able to answer this best.
Pankaj Varma
You have given a very thought provoking reply.
The question now arises...why Classically trained homeopaths convert themselves to 'mixed homeopaths' ?
May be some one who has himself gone through this process will be able to answer this best.
Pankaj Varma
♡ PANKAJ VARMA last decade
Because it is very easy to be a mixopath, and 'this for that' prescriber.
It is rather difficult to have the confidence required by a classical prescriber, as it needs lot of study, understanding and intelligence.
Most of thease people can never handle diseases higher than the third tier, mentioned in the theory of suppression.
They manage to suppress upto fourth stage, and lift their hands up.
There are enough number of patients who want a quick fix. Then, why not follow the easy way, and relax.
Why bother about all the drudgery associated with classical homeopathy?
It is as simple as that.
Murthy
It is rather difficult to have the confidence required by a classical prescriber, as it needs lot of study, understanding and intelligence.
Most of thease people can never handle diseases higher than the third tier, mentioned in the theory of suppression.
They manage to suppress upto fourth stage, and lift their hands up.
There are enough number of patients who want a quick fix. Then, why not follow the easy way, and relax.
Why bother about all the drudgery associated with classical homeopathy?
It is as simple as that.
Murthy
♡ gavinimurthy last decade
I wish it was that simple an explaination.
Kuldeep said it right:
'One dose doesn't make an immortal out of a mortal'.
Just as one inherits properties and taxes...one also inherits diseases. The Law of Karma.
Pankaj Varma
Kuldeep said it right:
'One dose doesn't make an immortal out of a mortal'.
Just as one inherits properties and taxes...one also inherits diseases. The Law of Karma.
Pankaj Varma
♡ PANKAJ VARMA last decade
Even a patient who was treated throughout his life, by classical homeopathy has to die.
But, he will die without agony, without suffering and with full consciousness till the end.
Hahn. case was an example again, and many of the well renowned classical homeopaths of the yesteryears lived to a ripe age, with all their senses in tact.
That is the confidence we have in classical homeopathy.We won't blame the 'Karma' for our own inefficiencies.
Murthy
But, he will die without agony, without suffering and with full consciousness till the end.
Hahn. case was an example again, and many of the well renowned classical homeopaths of the yesteryears lived to a ripe age, with all their senses in tact.
That is the confidence we have in classical homeopathy.We won't blame the 'Karma' for our own inefficiencies.
Murthy
♡ gavinimurthy last decade
The only exception as far as I know is Kent, who died at a relatively young age of 62, and people blame it on his reckless experimentation of very high potencies on himself.
Murthy
Murthy
♡ gavinimurthy last decade
Dear Murthy,
Let trained, qualified and experienced homeopaths reply to this.
Your views are already well known here at ABC.
Pankaj Varma
Let trained, qualified and experienced homeopaths reply to this.
Your views are already well known here at ABC.
Pankaj Varma
♡ PANKAJ VARMA last decade
I had to dig this post out of the Archives.
Happy reading !!
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SINGLE OR A NUMBER OF MEDICINES From PANKAJ VARMA on 2003-12-24
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Reproduced below a review of a Book written by a leading homeopath in India. See 'the pearls of wisdom' below:
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This book under review is by the famous and today's oldest living legend of Homoeopathy in India, Dr. Koppikar who, at 88, is still working, teaching and writing, and living in Chennai. He has indeed repaid his dept to Homoeopathy by writing this book. Most people leave this too late or do not finish all that they wanted to say.
1.He has talked about everything from how to acquire knowledge of Materia Medica, various aspects of prescribing, case taking, case analysis, chronic diseases and role of ant-miasmatic treatment. He has cited difficult conditions. This book, in the words of Dr. Jugal Kishore, who has written the preface of the book, will be a great source of learning.
Dr. Koppikar delineates his evolution into a versatile Homoeopath right from his student days. He has cited every step along the way.
2. He has given some pearls of wisdom:
(a) In very bad cases we must not merely brag about greatness of homoeopathy or promise cures, but set a deadline for the trial of our system, a time limit, after which patient can choose which way to go.
(b) The best explanation he has given is that in a given case there may not only be 1 remedy which is the similimum and will cure, but it could be any of 4-5 remedies. Eg in a case of measles with added pneumonia, any one of these would work : Tub avaire 200, Rhus tox 200, ANTIM TART, Phos, or Morb 1000 just 2-3 doses would clear it up. This then would explain why so many Homoeopaths get results with different approaches.
3. He has talked about the contribution of each Master and how they went about finding out which was the best way to treat.
Unquote
Best,
PANKAJ VARMA
Happy reading !!
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SINGLE OR A NUMBER OF MEDICINES From PANKAJ VARMA on 2003-12-24
23 replies 1117 views
Reproduced below a review of a Book written by a leading homeopath in India. See 'the pearls of wisdom' below:
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This book under review is by the famous and today's oldest living legend of Homoeopathy in India, Dr. Koppikar who, at 88, is still working, teaching and writing, and living in Chennai. He has indeed repaid his dept to Homoeopathy by writing this book. Most people leave this too late or do not finish all that they wanted to say.
1.He has talked about everything from how to acquire knowledge of Materia Medica, various aspects of prescribing, case taking, case analysis, chronic diseases and role of ant-miasmatic treatment. He has cited difficult conditions. This book, in the words of Dr. Jugal Kishore, who has written the preface of the book, will be a great source of learning.
Dr. Koppikar delineates his evolution into a versatile Homoeopath right from his student days. He has cited every step along the way.
2. He has given some pearls of wisdom:
(a) In very bad cases we must not merely brag about greatness of homoeopathy or promise cures, but set a deadline for the trial of our system, a time limit, after which patient can choose which way to go.
(b) The best explanation he has given is that in a given case there may not only be 1 remedy which is the similimum and will cure, but it could be any of 4-5 remedies. Eg in a case of measles with added pneumonia, any one of these would work : Tub avaire 200, Rhus tox 200, ANTIM TART, Phos, or Morb 1000 just 2-3 doses would clear it up. This then would explain why so many Homoeopaths get results with different approaches.
3. He has talked about the contribution of each Master and how they went about finding out which was the best way to treat.
Unquote
Best,
PANKAJ VARMA
♡ PANKAJ VARMA last decade
Did you read Koppikar? He is one among us.!!
a) He is very right. Any homeopath worth his salt, will give the same advice, and will never put a life into jeopardy, if he is not able to help. Even GV tells the same thing. He says if you can't abort pneumonia within three days, with homeopathic medicies, go for antibiotics.
Here, it is not homeopathy that failed, but it is the homeopath. But, no body should be so dogmatic as not to take the help of 'modern ' medicine in emergencies. I won't call it allopathy, in the historical sense.
b) Yes. Any one of them may work, and you may have to use them in a series. Remember the example I gave long back, about flying to newyork from Hyderabad? via. Bombay,Dubai,London..0r via.Delhi,Frankfurt..or via,singapore,Bangkok..
So, the starting medicine may be different with each homeopath, but, by observing the response to each medicine, and by selecting the approppriate follower, a cure can be achieved.
Koppikar never said to mix all the medicines together and give.!!
What is your point?
I suggest to buy the books of Koppikar and read them. They are available from Bjain.
Murthy
a) He is very right. Any homeopath worth his salt, will give the same advice, and will never put a life into jeopardy, if he is not able to help. Even GV tells the same thing. He says if you can't abort pneumonia within three days, with homeopathic medicies, go for antibiotics.
Here, it is not homeopathy that failed, but it is the homeopath. But, no body should be so dogmatic as not to take the help of 'modern ' medicine in emergencies. I won't call it allopathy, in the historical sense.
b) Yes. Any one of them may work, and you may have to use them in a series. Remember the example I gave long back, about flying to newyork from Hyderabad? via. Bombay,Dubai,London..0r via.Delhi,Frankfurt..or via,singapore,Bangkok..
So, the starting medicine may be different with each homeopath, but, by observing the response to each medicine, and by selecting the approppriate follower, a cure can be achieved.
Koppikar never said to mix all the medicines together and give.!!
What is your point?
I suggest to buy the books of Koppikar and read them. They are available from Bjain.
Murthy
♡ gavinimurthy last decade
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