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Pet rat with unknown problem

I have a pet rat, she is ill and I am desperate, because nobody knows what is wrong.
It began 14 days ago. The rat is one year old. The first symptoms were runny eye (a general symptom of a problem in pet rats), slight weight loss and slight weakness. The rat was eating normally, but could not hold the food in her front paws, i think because of the weakness in legs. I gave her pulpy food, she ate and improved a little, but in next 3-4 days it worsened, she losed half her weight, her muscles were weak, she was unsure when walking - staggering and falling. I took her to a vet, but he found nothing - no lumps, no enlarged or hardened organs, heart and lungs ok, digestion ok (the rat is defecating and urinating normally all the time), blood test ok (no inflammation, no deficiency), so it seems to be an unknown chronical ilness, probably something with the liver or other. She was given antibiotics, vitamins and rehydration solution, everything injected two or three times a day, but after four days of treatment it is not getting better. In fact, it is getting worse, yesterday the rat lost appetite (she is still trying to eat, but very little) and is now very weak (cannot walk, stand or sit, just lies, rests or is trying to crawl around). I should come here earlier, but I did not know about this forum and did not consider homeopathic treatment until today, when my roommate tried googling alternative medicine and found this site. Is there anything I can still do for my rat?

Only potencies up to 30C and not all medicines are freely available in our country.
 
  Selina on 2005-04-03
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Wow!

Arsenicum Album-Great weakness, hangs head over food dish like hungry, but does not eat or eats very little, seems interested in food, but will not eat, frequent small sips of water, craves warmth, restlessness. Any discharges burn or irritate from eyes, nose, mouth. Anxiety and fear which leads them to restlessness.

Nux Vomica-Act hungover, irritated, do not want to be held or comforted, want to be alone, to sleep, to rest, chilly. Sensitivity to noise, light, smells.

Gelsemium-Weakness, dullness, lethargy, the limbs and body may tremble with weakness. They cannot seem to shake an acute illness.

What happened prior to the illness? Stress, fear, trauman, grief, shock, etc.? to you or the rat?

Does rat want to be held or touched?

Does rat prefer warmth or cold, like sunlight and heat lamps, or a cool breeze, and cool floor to lie on. Key indicators for remedies from these details.

Restlessness while sleeping?
Vomiting or diarrhea? Constipation?

You provided great details, please provide more. It is like unraveling a mystery.

Discharge from eyes makes me think it is a cold or viral, or something more serious? Leads me away from thinking it is neurological.

Will post again if I find more info.

Blessings,
NAMASTE
 
Namaste27 last decade
he crawls about-is she paralyzed? my pet mouse -which i had long time ago when we rented theapt and only small caged animals were allowed--suddenly lost weight-appetite-and had progressive hind legs paralysis (ascending)
CONIUM helped (do you have any info on conium Nameste?)

(i gave it in water-6c)

Also PLUMBUM and PHOSPHORUS if it is progressive MUSCULAR atrophy

We need a lot of info about her condition at present.
 
Astra2012 last decade
Hi guys,

Conium-Numbness or paralysis that originates in the rear legs, there is no pain, animal stumbles or walks as though legs are heavy.Animals that need this are weak, dull, confused, they prefer dark places,older animals are more likely to need this than younger ones.

Phosphorus-Love the sun, loud when hungry, startle easily from loud noise, thunder or lightning, vomit water or food immediately after eating, love cold water, life of the party, very social, very friendly.

Plumbum Metallicum-Weak and restless, prefers to be alone,depression is common, yellow diarrhea, depressed reflexes, there may be a bluish line on the gums.

The above remedy info. came from Homeopathic Care for Cats and Dogs by Don Hamilton DVM.

NAMASTE
 
Namaste27 last decade
Thanks to everybody for your reply!
Namaste, it looks like the arsenicum album should be the right remedy, however not all the symptoms fit. My rattie often comes to the food dish and wants to eat, but takes two or three bites and then rests a moment... takes another bite, rests... or just stops eating after few bits and sits there with a hunched back and rests. But she is not thirsty, has water in the cage but never drinks, which is pretty unusual for a rat. She takes fluids from the food only (I am giving her baby food, yoghurt and other similar foods). She does not vomit or gag.
She likes to be in her house made of a little cardboard box - all rats like such comfy and dark places. She never liked to be held much and I think she is not very happy when I hold her now, but she just does not fight much because of her weakness. But yesterday I held her on my lap, washed her a little with a wet tissue and helped her brush herself with an old toothbrush and she seemed to enjoy the brushing. I cannot say if she likes warmth or cold... but I'd say the former, when I put her in the cage with the other rats, she lies in the house on the heap with others. She does not like light much. All these things are common to most rats and little rodents in general.
She does not move much when sleeping - sleeps on the belly or on the side (does not prefer right or left).
Seems like she wants to move and walk and groom herself, she is trying all the time, sometimes I see she wants to move really badly (she was very energic before the illness - always moving, always exploring something, playing with other rats, when startled - which happened a bit more often than in other rats - she would run as a lightning into the nearest hideout) but is too weak - cannot walk or sit because her hind legs are too weak. She is not paralysed, I have seen hind leg paralysis in rats many times and this is not it, her legs and tail are ok, but she does not have the strength to move them. So it seems.
She does not have constipation or diarrhea, only her feces are softer and lighter in color than usual - I guess due to the pulpy food I am giving her.
Discharge from the eyes in rats is a general symptom of stress or ilness - rats have a special gland behind the eyeballs that discharges a brown liquid when the rat is stressed. The discharge is not strong and does not suggest anything is wrong with the eye (no puss, nothing is in the eye, no swelling etc.)
The rattie does not have fever and the blood test did not reveal any inflammation.
Nothing happened to the rat or to me before the illness...

So I think I will try the arsenicum, or do you have another suggestion? What potency should I give and how often? I can buy only granules here, so I will have to dissolve it in a little amount of water, suck it into a little syringe and give it directly to the mouth. Does it matter if the rat does not swallow it all and some of the water drips out?
 
Selina last decade
Arsenicum 30C to begin with if you choose that remedy.

Diliuted in water, yes, 8oz of pure water, store it in a mug or a glass container. I suggest dosing 3-4 times per day, reduce this if she improves. If she gets worse it could be an aggravation which is good. If there is no change at all after 2-3 days, stop using this remedy. As long as she gets a few drops of the liquid that is better than none.

Unless Astra posts with a different remedy, I think I would try the Arsenicum for now. Was she poisoned? Did you paint recently, any chemcial exposures, change foods, clean her cage, bathe her with shampoo? Recent trip to the vet, vaccinations, recent stress in her life? VERY IMPORTANT HERE.

Make sure you give her pure spring water or good filtered water only to drink, every day.

Go to Wal-Mart super store, or health food store and get her on some goat's milk. I use Meyenberg. It will give her immune system and body the nourishment it needs. Use the eye dropper to give it to her if need be. Gently grab her by the scruff of her neck, tilt her head back and give her 1/4 of the dropper at a time and talk to her as you do this. Don't force feed her, but be firm with her. She needs this milk, it is a must.

I will keep on researching.

Blessings,
NAMASTE
 
Namaste27 last decade
You mentioned her being startled more often than in most rats.

Arsenicum is restless, anxious, fearful, always moving, changing position. They like to clean themselves, sometimes obsessively and are worse when they are alone.

Phosphorus-Startles easily, especially from loud noise, thunder, lightning. Think of the flare of a match. They are narrow-bodied and very loud when hungry. They love to be groomed and love to be the center of attention.

NAMASTE
 
Namaste27 last decade
You asked what happened before the first signs of the illness... The truth is I do not know exactly, I was not home when it started - was away for some days - and when I came back, the rat was ill. My roommate, who took care of her, did not notice anything unusual. So maybe the rat fell or was shocked by something, but this is highly improbable. I did not find any signs of injury. The rattie was not exposed to any chemicals, I did not bath her, did not use any chemicals when cleaning the cage, did not change diet, litter, there was no stress, no vet visit (she was perfectly healthy until now).

I think I will reconsider the Arsenicum, I have read something more about the suggested remedies and now the Conium seems a bit more exact - there is the weakness, stronger in hind legs, no pain, stumbling, bad coordination, even the inclination to walk in circles. It is not the progressive paralysis starting in tail and hind legs as I know it in old rats, but it is very similar.

We discussed the matter with my roommate, she is a - I do not know the english term, her field is special education of people with mental or physical disability. It seems to her the rat suffers a kind of neural or muscular disorder. Something similar happens to some people, they are in perfect shape as young children, but have an innate disposition and after some years they become paralysed. These diseases are progressive, very troublesome and irreversible. It seems to me this should be my rat's case, because there really are no signs of intestinal organs diseases - as I wrote before, everything in her little body seems to be in good shape.
Another possibility is a slowly growing bening tumour inside the brain, pressing on the coordination centre, but this would affect the coordination only, she would not be weak and lose weight.

Phosphorus will not be the case, I have read in a book I borrowed Phosphoruses are very sensitive, they easily get excited about something, but soon are tired and seek another entertainment. But this rattie knew to be very patient, she often entertained herself by disassembling the cage - unwinding the wires (she never escaped, she just liked the game) - and she was not extremely restless, just as rat females are.

I feel like a detective :) And I feel better now there is another hope. I will get the Conium and try that first, I will also get the milk, thanks for the suggestion. Every molecule of nutrition I get into her is good.
 
Selina last decade
actually it is kind of detective work but the stakes are high!

It could be that your roomate just removed nail polish and rattie is very sensitive to acetone... it is just an example. Like in "Pet psychic" the ferret was sick becasuse her owner cleaned floors with something she did not like.

So it could be some toxic environment-or it could be that she was missing you (never underestimate pet's emotions) and her defences were weakened and she got sick: whatever the cause
make sure she gets water (with remedy and without).
Is she allergic to anything or sensitive? you may want to try first a lower potency, like 12c ((my allergic dog had 2-day diarrhea after sulph 12c but then her skin problems disappeared) single dose (make it in water as it is easier to give to pets, I think)watch wait and post here.
 
Astra2012 last decade
I am giving the Conium now, but I was searching and researching whole day and night... and the optimism is gone completely. All the symptoms point to one and only condition, a pituitary tumor - quite common type of tumor in rats. I do not think this can be cured even if homeopathy could do miracles :

But I would welcome *any* suggestions for remedies to make it a bit easier for the rat. I am not asking to slow the progress, let it go as nature wishes, but relieve the symptoms, is this possible?

Rat owners who have met this disease tell that as long as the rat is eating, moving and seeking contact with the owner it should be given all the care. When the end comes near, the animal will lost appetite completely and probably develop severe paralysis and seizures and this is the time for euthanasia.
 
Selina last decade
Where is life there is hope!

check in search engine for "joohanna budwig" German scientist who angered pharm. comp. by discovering that something as simple as eating every day mixture of flaxseed oil (cold pressed, preferably Barlean's) with lowfat, organic, cottege cheese can actually heal the person from cancers, tumors and other diseases (incredible but seems real!)search for "barlean's" at their website there is list of distributors. or instead of oil you may use freshly ground seeds.
Never give up!

Namaste: do you have any info on mang-acet. in animals?
 
Astra2012 last decade
sorry for the typo-it should be "johanna budwig"
 
Astra2012 last decade
Cheese you say... I think my little rodent will *love* such remedy ;)
OK, no panic, no giving up yet. What about the Conium? Continue? (The symptoms which led us to Conium did not change.) Last three days I have been absorbing everything about homeopathy I found and am a bit more than little confused - so many remedies and so little time...
 
Selina last decade
Hey Astra,

No info. on Mang Acet. in my notes.

My notes I do have if it helps:

Hypericum-Brain tumor

NAMASTE
 
Namaste27 last decade
Maybe you read this?
Do these symptoms fit?

From www dot ratfanclub dot org



Pituitary Tumors

The second most common type of tumor in female rats is an adenoma (benign tumor) of the pituitary gland, which lies beneath the brain. In fact, this is probably the 3rd most common cause of death in female rats. Sixteen percent of my rats have had pituitary tumors.

As the tumor grows it presses on the brain and eventually causes neurological impairment. Symptoms may appear slowly or quickly. Commonly, the first symptom is a loss of coordination, followed by some paralysis. One symptom that is diagnostic of a pituitary tumor is a quite distinctive posture: first the front, then the hind legs are held out stiffly forward and can not be flexed by the rat. However, other possible symptoms, including seizures, a head tilt, circling, and lethargy, can also have other causes. Perhaps some day, a blood test will be able to identify a pituitary tumor. Until then, all you can do cover all the bases.

The recommended treatment for neurological impairment is with both steroids and antibiotics. These can help reduce the size of a tumor and temporarily relieve the symptoms, and is also the recommended treatment for an inner ear infection or stroke. If despite treatment the rat is no longer able to feed herself, it will be time to have her euthanized.


NAMASTE
 
Namaste27 last decade
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I have recently been having a big problem with tumors in my female rats. Of the four rats I currently have that are ages two or more, two have had at least one mammary tumor and one has a pituitary tumor. I have also lost three other older female rats to cancer in the last six months. Searching for a solution besides spaying, I came across a web site where hundreds of research abstracts can be viewed. Let me say that I do not wish to offend anyone in siting animal research. I hate to think of the things that are done to rats or other animals in the name of science. However, every once in a while, something comes out that might actually be helpful for our pet rats.
In a study done in Japan, rats were divided into four groups. One group was fed a diet, 10% of which consisted of Miso, a Japanese fermented soy bean product. The next group was treated with Tamoxifen and fed a 10% Miso diet. The results were impressive. The rats being treated with Tamoxifen in conjunction with the Miso diet had a much lower incidence of tumors than any other group. Only 10% of the Miso/Tamoxifen rats developed mammary tumors. Compare that with 91% in the control group, 77% in the Miso only group, and 68% in the Tamoxifen only group.

There are limitations in applying this information to our pet rats, however. These were induced tumors in young rats. That makes it a little harder to generalize it to our pets who usually get spontaneous tumors in older age. Still, could there be any harm in adding Miso and other soy products to our pets diet? And, early treatment with Tamoxifen, along with the Miso diet could slow or reduce an existing tumor. I have added Miso to the molasses mix I feed my rats. We'll see if it makes a difference for my younger rats.




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Interesting but would advise against Tamoxifen

NAMASTE
 
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Along with respiratory infections, tumors are one of the most common health problems and causes of death in rats, especially in females. There are two main types of tumors, benign and malignant. Benign tumors are almost always encapsulated in a membrane and separate from nearby tissues, and therefore easily removed by surgery.


Although they can grow as fast as malignant tumors, they don't cause as much damage and they don't metastasize (spread to other parts of the body). Although benign tumors won't usually cause death directly, a tumor can grow so large that the rat has difficulty moving around and can't eat enough to support both the tumor and normal body functions. Most rats are euthanized before reaching this stage, if the tumor isn't removed.


In contrast, malignant tumors, also called cancer, usually invade and damage nearby tissues and also metastasize. Death will be caused by the failure of damaged organs. Because cancerous tumors intertwine with normal tissues, surgery is usually impossible in rats. In most cases, cancer involves the internal organs, so symptoms often aren't seen until the disease is well advanced and euthanasia is the only alternative. The symptoms of cancer may include a skin ulcer, ulcerated tumor, or bleeding from a lump, a distended abdomen, weight loss, and lethargy.


Fortunately, most tumors in rats are benign. In nine years I've done surgery on about 100 rats to remove tumors, and only a few have been malignant. Of all these rats, I've removed tumors from only five males; the rest were females, almost all of them with benign mammary tumors. I've had a very high success rate removing this type of tumor.



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BENIGN MAMMARY TUMORS

The most common tumor in rats is a benign mammary tumor, with most of these being a fibroadenoma (Fibro-from connective tissue, aden-from a gland, oma-a benign tumor.) Mammary tumors can be quite squishy and flat, or they can feel firm, sometimes even as hard as cartilage. Because tumors grow so quickly, a portion will sometimes outgrow its blood supply, die and become necrotic and filled with pus. Benign mammary tumors are usually distinct lumps just under the skin that can be moved around slightly with the fingers. If your rat gets one of these tumors, you can be 99% sure it's benign. If a tumor feels tightly attached to the underlying tissue, this can be a sign that it is malignant, but some benign tumors also feel attached. I have successfully removed two of these that I first suspected were malignant, so it's worth it to try to remove even tumors that appear to be attached.


The most common locations for mammary tumors are in the armpits and in the belly or groin area; although because female rats have widespread mammary tissue, they can occur anywhere on the body. It's a good idea to feel your rat all over frequently so you can identify tumors early. The smaller the tumor, the more easily (and cheaply) it can be removed. It's never too late to have a tumor removed as long as your rat is otherwise in good health. I've successfully removed mammary tumors the size of a small apple! I've also removed tumors from rats well over two years old, so age should not be the only factor when considering surgery. Because mammary tumors are just under the skin the surgery to remove them is minor, as opposed to major surgery which enters a body cavity, and rats usually recover quite quickly. As long as a rat is otherwise in good health, this minor surgery can be performed on a rat of any age. While there is a chance that any rat could develop another tumor later, the surgery will probably save her life and definitely improve the quality of her life for months to come.


The cost to remove rat tumors can vary greatly. In Chico (a town of 70,000) some of the vets will remove tumors from rats for a reduced rate ($35 - 50) compared to the same surgery on a dog or cat ($150 - 200). This doesn't include an exam fee which can be $25 - 30 extra. If you're sure it's a benign tumor, you might be able to avoid an exam fee by calling different hospitals and asking how much they would charge for just the surgery to remove an adenoma from a rat. Tell them the location and size of the tumor. Then see if you can take your rat in only for the surgery and not an exam.


If you decide not to have a benign tumor removed, you can expect it to keep growing until it's almost as big as the rat herself. Within a few months, or even weeks, you must be prepared to have your rat euthanized when she is no longer enjoying life. In the meantime, you can help your rat maintain her quality of life by making sure she eats a very nutritious diet, high in protein, carbohydrates, and vitamins, because the tumor will be drawing resources and energy from her body.



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OTHER TYPES OF TUMORS

Although benign mammary tumors are most commonly seen in rats, they can also get a variety of other tumors. I've seen three female rats with benign adenomas of the pituitary gland, which lies beneath the brain. All three of these rats developed the same neurological signs. The first symptom is loss of coordination followed by a quite distinctive posture: both the from and hind legs are held out stiffly in the forward direc tion and cannot be flexed by the rat.


Unfortunately, I don't know anyone who can perform brain surgery on rats, so rats with these symptoms should be euthanized. I have recently also seen two cases of tumors growing in the vagina. The first one I saw was huge, and although I attempted to remove it, during the surgery I decided it was best to euthanize the rat. In the second case, I failed to remove the whole tumor during the first surgery and it immediately grew back. This tumor was diagnosed by a pathologist as a fibroma. Unfortunately, this rat was euthanized due to complications five days after a second surgery.Other tumors I've seen include one, probably cancer, of the ovaries, one involving the urinary tract, and a malignancy that arose in a rat after I had earlier done two surgeries in the same location to remove benign mammary tumors. One very fast growing tumor in the thigh of one of my female lab rats was diagnosed as a fibrosarcoma. (The terms sarcoma and carcinoma refer to types of cancer.) I've also seen two squamous cell carcinomas, one on the face and one under the jaw (and both also in females). This type of tumor is most common on the face and head and should be suspected in any case of swelling in this area on a rat.



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PREVENTING TUMORS

There are only three ways to try to prevent tumors in your rats. First, by feeding your rat a low fat, low calorie diet which is also low in amines and nitrates (when these natural components of some plants combine in the stomach they are carcinogenic). Many studies link obesity and a high fat diet with tumors. Second, you can try to locate a breeder who has been selectively eliminating the tendency for tumors from their stock. This type of breeding can be difficult, because tumors usually occur in rats over a year old, after they can already have great-great grandchildren. Currently, the only tumor resistant rats I know of are in California. The third way, and probably the most reliable at this time, is to choose male rats over female rats. While males can also get tumors, the benign mammary tumors that are so common in females are relatively rare in males. Hopefully in the future, more rats will be tumor resistant, but until then, you need to be on the lookout for this life-threatening disease in your rats.




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ED. NOTE-According to an article in TIME Magazine (4.24.94), scientists have shown that a substance found in crucifers (broccoli, cauliflower, Brussels sprouts and other crunchy vegetables) actively blocks formation of cancerous tumors in rats.




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Namaste27 last decade
I do not want to give more drugs, I was giving antibiotics and two other drugs and I do not like the idea of prednisone + another antibiotics. I have enough and I am sure she too.
 
Selina last decade
Selina: are you giving her any drugs now?

About conium (or other hom. remedy)-for the on-line treatment the easiest are single doses. And then just watch for changes. If you gave her few doses-just stop and wait (and get the mixture for her diet).

Give it 3-4 days.If no changes (and you are sure about it) she needs another remedy.
is she trembling?

I hope she is not getting any drugs-they never cure (and interfere with hom. remedies).
 
Astra2012 last decade
She got last atb (Baytril) today at 7 a.m., I will give no more. I tried, did not work, so no more needles and chemicals for the poor thing.
First dose of Conium 15C at 3 p.m., second one at 9 p.m.

She is not trembling, but she is not good. Most of the time she just lies and rests from yesterday morning. Tries to eat, groom, but is very weak : I will get the oil and cheese first time tomorrow morning and I must take the rat to the vet, because her lower teeth grow too fast and need to be trimmed. I have read the article from Dr. Budwig and will try the diet - no more sugar, ham and preserved food. Fortunately with a rat this will be no problem, she will surely enjoy grated carrot with yoghurt, milk with honey and cheese with oil.
I am only afraid it is too late, her condition is wave-like - goes up and down and again - and now it seems down again and everytime I worry it will not go up again :

Thanks much for the advice and support, it helps. I know it is "just a rat" and it would not be the first to die on me, but I hate to see her suffer. I hate to see anybody suffer, be it an earthworm. Maybe I should get a remedy myself :|
 
Selina last decade
Selina please read my postings on pancreatic tumor. You are doing the best you know how for your rat. And she is a living creature, even if she is small and considered vermon to some. She is life and you know she is more than a rodent. She is teaching you compassion and unconditional love.

You need to be strong and calm for her. Any fear, guilt or worry will weaken her. She looks to make you happy. Be happy for her, celebrate her life every day. It is not easy watching anyone suffer, so look to ease her pain and yours as well. Give her the best life you can, the best quality of life and let her know that any time she needs to go,crossover, transition you are fine with it. Trust me, this is key. Keep her watered and fed and loved. When it is her time, she will let you know.

NAMASTE
 
Namaste27 last decade
yes, read the thread on "pancreatic tumor" (it's about dog) and another about "eutanasia" (search here.

to Namaste and me she is definitely not "just a rat" but a helpless living creature which needs care and love until she dies (hopefully much later!)

You can only give her that (lots of water and not too much food) Can you isolate her somehow? for few days--she needs some peace to recuperate.
Did you give her conium AFTER that drug?
In Murphy's rep. conium and phosphorus are main remedies for brain tumors. Plumbum and arsenicum are a bit less stressed.


Vet visits put a lot of stress on animals. Drugs do not heal--they might prolong dying though.
 
Astra2012 last decade
Thanks for the words of encouragement. For me, it definitely is not "just a rat", I think I was a little depressed yesterday and felt I little guilty, because so many people are trying to help me, and a little frustrated. But it is alright now, I pulled myself together.

The rat is isolated, since her condition worsened she lives in a comfy box near my working table, so I am at hand whenever she needs something. I am feeding her a cocktail of goat milk, cottage cheese, flax oil and honey and she has a dish with vegetables in her box. And I give her water - my roommate found more info about pituitary tumors, such tumors can press on the thirst centre in brain and therefore the animal could not know it is thirsty.

I gave her Conium eight hours after the last dose of Baytril.

Today I had to take her to the vet to trim the overgrown lower teeth. She was already almost damaging her gums, so it was necessary. It was quickly done and we did not have to wait in the waiting room. The vet said we can try prednisone, but I agree with you, Astra, if the rat is going to die, this would only prolong it. So I said no and the vet did not persuade me. Nice of her.
 
Selina last decade
You might need to take from time to time (when needed only) a dose of IGNATIA 30c-it helps coping with the loss-whatever that is.

About her-you are doing the best you can-can't do any better.
If conium has no effect-what do you think about phosphorus or plumbum?
It's impossible to have all the remedy symptoms however the remedy should have most of her symptoms.
 
Astra2012 last decade
I will give it two more days and if there is no improvement, I will try Phosphorus. I am gonna get the Phosphorus (30C ?) tomorrow and if needed, give it on Saturday evening or Sunday morning. I only hope the rat will make it. They live so fast compared with humans... Three years at most, have up to five "days" in one day and their heart rate is about 300. No wonder they grow up so fast - and if ill, you can almost see the aggravation going...
 
Selina last decade
Selina: I gave my pet mouse one dose of conium 12c (he had weakness progressing to paralysis in the hind legs, I gave him only water since i wanted to be sure he drank, food was around but I don't think he ate much-animals can regulate it and won't starve themselves voluntarily-Ionce heard that only human girls can do it) after a day of mostly sleeping he was ok.

I like 12c since it is lowest non-molecular=has no molecule of original substance. The lower potencies=the broader action--which means you don't need to be sure iff it's a true similimum=good in cases like that when time matters.

actually 3-4 days is rather for bigger animals--she lives faster so any reaction should be seen faster, 1-2 days, so by now!give it to her if there's no reaction (sleep, diarrhea etc. For two days i thought i killed my dog-she looked so bad!) when you get it.I'd get phosph 12c-one dose.

besides: lots of TLC.
 
Astra2012 last decade

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