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Selina: I gave my pet mouse one dose of conium 12c (he had weakness progressing to paralysis in the hind legs, I gave him only water since i wanted to be sure he drank, food was around but I don't think he ate much-animals can regulate it and won't starve themselves voluntarily-Ionce heard that only human girls can do it) after a day of mostly sleeping he was ok.
I like 12c since it is lowest non-molecular=has no molecule of original substance. The lower potencies=the broader action--which means you don't need to be sure iff it's a true similimum=good in cases like that when time matters.
actually 3-4 days is rather for bigger animals--she lives faster so any reaction should be seen faster, 1-2 days, so by now!give it to her if there's no reaction (sleep, diarrhea etc. For two days i thought i killed my dog-she looked so bad!) when you get it.I'd get phosph 12c-one dose.
besides: lots of TLC.
I like 12c since it is lowest non-molecular=has no molecule of original substance. The lower potencies=the broader action--which means you don't need to be sure iff it's a true similimum=good in cases like that when time matters.
actually 3-4 days is rather for bigger animals--she lives faster so any reaction should be seen faster, 1-2 days, so by now!give it to her if there's no reaction (sleep, diarrhea etc. For two days i thought i killed my dog-she looked so bad!) when you get it.I'd get phosph 12c-one dose.
besides: lots of TLC.
Astra2012 last decade
I am here with today's news: she looks better. Not much, but yesterday she was so bad I was afraid she would not make it through the night. Today she has a better appetite, is grooming herself and when I washed her (had to soak her a little in water, she was getting realy dirty and sticky with all the food she managed to fall in), she even enjoyed a short walk on the couch. Maybe something's going on, maybe she just has a good day.
Selina last decade
Thank you for sharing the good news. I'm one of the many, I'm sure, who have followed your postings and are hoping for your pet rat to recover. Ruth
ruth45 last decade
Hello Ruth and Minsa, thanks for the interest! My rat's name is Andelka. Means "little angel" in my language. I usually do not give my rats such cute names, I give them normal names and use cute nicknames when needed :) But this one came to me as a birthday present about a year ago with the name already given.
Today she is in the same condition as yesterday, she is eating pretty well (yoghurt, banana, cottage cheese, wet bread) and the food goes through her without problems. She can sit on all four without falling all the time and when walks, goes straight without circling. But she is still prone to fall to one (any) side when walking, her hind legs are still weak and cannot sit on the hind legs without tumbling over. Grooming is still a challenge, there is much falling and staggering; front paws are still stiff (she does not hold her food, but is trying to clean her head and sometimes steps on the dish or food to hold it in place). The porfyrin discharge from her eyes is almost gone. The periods of sleeping and activity through the day seem to be normal rat-like.
So what should I do now - wait, or give another dose of Conium?
Today she is in the same condition as yesterday, she is eating pretty well (yoghurt, banana, cottage cheese, wet bread) and the food goes through her without problems. She can sit on all four without falling all the time and when walks, goes straight without circling. But she is still prone to fall to one (any) side when walking, her hind legs are still weak and cannot sit on the hind legs without tumbling over. Grooming is still a challenge, there is much falling and staggering; front paws are still stiff (she does not hold her food, but is trying to clean her head and sometimes steps on the dish or food to hold it in place). The porfyrin discharge from her eyes is almost gone. The periods of sleeping and activity through the day seem to be normal rat-like.
So what should I do now - wait, or give another dose of Conium?
Selina last decade
I think I found the answer myself... I've read the threads about potencies and dosages and it seems like I've given good remedy, but wrong potency. I gave Conium 15C, the rattie slept through the most of the next day, the symptoms aggravated. Next day, she changed rapidly, her condition improved. No new symptoms appeared, most of old symptoms completely or almost disappeared. Now I have the feeling she is worsening very slightly again. Maybe 15C was too low for such a small animal and for such condition. So it seems I shall give 30C, one dose again, and wait what happens. I have the Phosphorus 30C ready, but I do not see the reason to change the remedy (yet). Somebody please confirm...
Selina last decade
That's nice - hello, Andelka. Selina, if she's showing improvement, hold off using Phos. - ';plus' the Con 30 (mix 1 pill in 4 ozs. water, stir, keep that as stock solution. Take 1/4 - 1/2 tsp. of the stock solution, dilute with 1/2 cup water (don't need to tell you that he water must be pure) and give her a 1/2 tsp. or so of that - I do hope this isn't too confusing. (Throw out the rest of the diluted solution. IF you need to give another dose, shake the sock solution again, repeat process.) While there is improvement, wait.
Keep posting. C'mon, Andelka!
Keep posting. C'mon, Andelka!
Minsa last decade
I have a rat as well. I have a few suggestions to keep your rat healthy in general (although not homeopathic).
First, give your rat distilled water. Such a tiny body needs purity.
Second, I have heard wonderful things about Kombucha tea. It is a drink made from a colony of yeast and bacteria. It help with weight problems, cancer, and overall health problems. It has been used in Asian countries for centuries. I drink it once a week and I put it in my rat's bottle periodically and he is very healthy.
I read an article about Kombucha prolonging a tumored rat's life. Look into it. You'd have to find a "mother" or sometimes you can find people selling it at farmer's markets or health food stores.
First, give your rat distilled water. Such a tiny body needs purity.
Second, I have heard wonderful things about Kombucha tea. It is a drink made from a colony of yeast and bacteria. It help with weight problems, cancer, and overall health problems. It has been used in Asian countries for centuries. I drink it once a week and I put it in my rat's bottle periodically and he is very healthy.
I read an article about Kombucha prolonging a tumored rat's life. Look into it. You'd have to find a "mother" or sometimes you can find people selling it at farmer's markets or health food stores.
Harpua last decade
I'm here with update.
2 days ago Andelka got Conium 25C, three doses as before (afternoon, evening, morning). Since then, she shows no improvement (but her condition is not as bad as before the Conium 15C). She has good appetite, but is falling and tottering badly. Today she's got diarrhea. Maybe it is from the food she is getting (broccoli, apple baby food, goat's milk). So today she'll get only apples and a piece of roll and I will share rice and some drops of weak black tea with her. I hope she hasn't got any infection on top of it all :/
2 days ago Andelka got Conium 25C, three doses as before (afternoon, evening, morning). Since then, she shows no improvement (but her condition is not as bad as before the Conium 15C). She has good appetite, but is falling and tottering badly. Today she's got diarrhea. Maybe it is from the food she is getting (broccoli, apple baby food, goat's milk). So today she'll get only apples and a piece of roll and I will share rice and some drops of weak black tea with her. I hope she hasn't got any infection on top of it all :/
Selina last decade
I am quite busy right now and do not come here as often as I'd like.
if higher potencies of conium do not work it is time to move to complementary remedy. hos. follows conium well- but seems to me now that not her weakness is a problem as incoordination,staggering etc and for that is complementary to conium ARGENTUM NITRICUM-i think you should try it (after her diarrhea goes away-besides it could be her aggravation and conium is working after all-in which case you should wait and not give her any remedy). Homeopathy requires a lot of patience!
hmm...I don't think distilled water is a good idea. It takes away minerals from the body.
Pure spring water is best.
if higher potencies of conium do not work it is time to move to complementary remedy. hos. follows conium well- but seems to me now that not her weakness is a problem as incoordination,staggering etc and for that is complementary to conium ARGENTUM NITRICUM-i think you should try it (after her diarrhea goes away-besides it could be her aggravation and conium is working after all-in which case you should wait and not give her any remedy). Homeopathy requires a lot of patience!
hmm...I don't think distilled water is a good idea. It takes away minerals from the body.
Pure spring water is best.
Astra2012 last decade
hos=phos.
Astra2012 last decade
Thanks, Astra - yes, incoordination, staggering and such are definitely the main symptoms here, though it did not seem so in the beginning. I have Arg. nitricum and Phosphorus here, so I can try as you suggest. I will wait now, I too hope her current bad condition is an aggravation only and she will get better... Aggravation after Conium 15C lasted 1 day, this aggravation is two days now, but it is very similar (only diarrhea is new).
Ruth, Minsa, Harpua, keep your fingers crossed for us. I will keep you posted.
Ruth, Minsa, Harpua, keep your fingers crossed for us. I will keep you posted.
Selina last decade
I agree with Astra - re. no need for distilled water, and that Arg. Nit seems a good choice on present symptoms. Please do read it up though, to make sure.
I appreciate all your efforts, and pray she recovers soon.
Regards.
I appreciate all your efforts, and pray she recovers soon.
Regards.
Minsa last decade
How does distilled water take away nutrients from the body? Do you mean it pulls them out, or that they aren't getting the benefits of?
Harpua last decade
Anyone has any idea, how to get rid of mites and lice? Poor rattie cannot groom herself effectively and has clouds of them in her fur :/ I tried washing her and combing the vermin out, but it did not help. I would like to avoid Frontline and ivermectin, at least until she's better.
Selina last decade
You may want to look into neem oil shampoo. It is safe for cats and dogs, don't know about rats, but has to be safer than any chemical out there.
NAMASTE
NAMASTE
Namaste27 last decade
Sounds like something my mouse had, was your rat tested for parasites? Good luck with the poor thing.
sugarpencil last decade
You may say it (the distilled water) pulls them out (not nuttrients--minerals!)
distlled water has no minerals and the nature wants balance.
distlled water has no minerals and the nature wants balance.
Astra2012 last decade
Yes, a little sip of distilled water would not kill you, but larger amount is almost poisonous - sucks salts ions out of the cells. It has to do something with the osmotic pressure. Too much pureness isn't healthy.
Selina last decade
I'm sorry this has nothing to do with the thread, but I usually alternate between smart water and distilled for my drinking water. I think it tastes better. Where can I read about this? I guess I can google it..
Harpua last decade
Neem oil shampoo unavailable here :/ only a cosmetic sort that has neem oil on the sticker only. So I bought Frontline, used just a little drop and I hope it will be OK. Better this than let the rat be eaten alive.
Andelka is better again. I did not give her Arg. nitr., I revised her condition again and decided to try Gelsemium. It has "various degrees of motor paralysis, muscular weakness, prostration, lack of coordination, apathy" plus "acute bronchitis" (rat was sneezing and breathing with a wheezing - now she's not) and in Boericke's MM I found that "as a rule, Gelsemium patient has no thirst" - that's one of the symptoms accompanying the rattie from the beginning and is not changing much.
There was no aggravation from Gelsemium and improvement of appetite, lethargy, stability and weakness.
I'm giving Gelsemium 9C from Thursday and rattie feels better. I will continue and see what happens.
The main symptoms, that are unchanging no matter what I do is lack of coordination (the rat sways and is unstable when walking), inability to sit on the hind legs (falls backward) and the main one - inability to flex front paws. Sometimes she unwittingly flexes the paws when sleeping on side - pulls them to her chest - but everytime she wants to use her front paws, for example groom her head or hold food, paws stay stretched straight. Does this suggest any other remedy we did not consider yet?
Andelka is better again. I did not give her Arg. nitr., I revised her condition again and decided to try Gelsemium. It has "various degrees of motor paralysis, muscular weakness, prostration, lack of coordination, apathy" plus "acute bronchitis" (rat was sneezing and breathing with a wheezing - now she's not) and in Boericke's MM I found that "as a rule, Gelsemium patient has no thirst" - that's one of the symptoms accompanying the rattie from the beginning and is not changing much.
There was no aggravation from Gelsemium and improvement of appetite, lethargy, stability and weakness.
I'm giving Gelsemium 9C from Thursday and rattie feels better. I will continue and see what happens.
The main symptoms, that are unchanging no matter what I do is lack of coordination (the rat sways and is unstable when walking), inability to sit on the hind legs (falls backward) and the main one - inability to flex front paws. Sometimes she unwittingly flexes the paws when sleeping on side - pulls them to her chest - but everytime she wants to use her front paws, for example groom her head or hold food, paws stay stretched straight. Does this suggest any other remedy we did not consider yet?
Selina last decade
She's stabilized at this moment, I would say, but far from healthy. Gelsemium did help, but not with the main symptoms.
Maybe I should find a constitutionaly remedy for her? But how does one find a constitutional remedy for an animal, is it possible?
Maybe I should find a constitutionaly remedy for her? But how does one find a constitutional remedy for an animal, is it possible?
Selina last decade
Hi,
I have a pet rat that is going through the same thing. I have done about a year of research on this and can tell you this: if your rat has coordination problems and has trouble using his legs or hands, it is either a stroke or a pituitary tumor. Both should be treated with prednisone at 1mg per lb twice a day and on an an antibiotic like baytril or doxycicline and if he apears to have a respitory problem then he should be given baytril along with the doxycycline or amoxicillian.
My rat has had this problem three times since I had him and he fully recovered twice and I am currently treating him now. I am using and have used the treatment that I mentioned.
I use homeopathy products all the time and they are great, however, when a rat has suffered a stroke or has a pituitary tumor, I think the best chance for survival is to treat right away with what the rat experts have found to work and what I have listed here. I can help you with info on obtaining these medicines and on feeding and other advice if you need help with this.
I love my rat, which is family to me. I hope yours gets well soon.
If you need any help, let me know your email address and I'll contact you directly.
Good luck
Steve
I have a pet rat that is going through the same thing. I have done about a year of research on this and can tell you this: if your rat has coordination problems and has trouble using his legs or hands, it is either a stroke or a pituitary tumor. Both should be treated with prednisone at 1mg per lb twice a day and on an an antibiotic like baytril or doxycicline and if he apears to have a respitory problem then he should be given baytril along with the doxycycline or amoxicillian.
My rat has had this problem three times since I had him and he fully recovered twice and I am currently treating him now. I am using and have used the treatment that I mentioned.
I use homeopathy products all the time and they are great, however, when a rat has suffered a stroke or has a pituitary tumor, I think the best chance for survival is to treat right away with what the rat experts have found to work and what I have listed here. I can help you with info on obtaining these medicines and on feeding and other advice if you need help with this.
I love my rat, which is family to me. I hope yours gets well soon.
If you need any help, let me know your email address and I'll contact you directly.
Good luck
Steve
riggs last decade
Can prednisone *heal* pituitary tumour? Make it disappear? I know rats can recover from stroke, partially or fully, I've seen such cases, but this is definitely not a stroke. I must say homeopathic remedies are working for the rat, but not fully. I already tried Baytril (IM, 2x per day, 7 days), I did not try steroids. I would, but I'm afraid it would not help, only prolong the suffering :/
Selina last decade
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