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Today Kody had a huge tantrum. Seems like the tantrums started about a month ago. But I think today was the biggest yet.
He was getting upset easily, so I figured it was naptime, since he slept poorly again last night, waking often crying. When I told him he was going to have a nap, and carried him back to the bed, he started crying and screaming, flailing around and trying to get away. He didn't want to be comforted or held, even looked at, it seemed like. But still crying and screaming when I wasn't touching him. I tried gently restraining him and he screamed even louder. He would say 'Mama' (what he says when he wants to nurse), but then screaming and not wanting it. He finally did nurse though in the end, started crying again when I looked him in the eyes and asked if he was feeling better. So it seemed like he didn't want to be looked at or talked to. He just nursed, played with my hair and stared off into the distance. Finally it seemed like it was over and I was able to make him smile and tickle him without it upsetting him.
His appetite has been sort of iffy. He only seems to want starches/carbs. Bread, crackers, toast, chips. He only wants small amounts frequently. Same with drinking, frequent sips of water and the frequent nursing, day and night.
[message edited by alaskamom on Sun, 14 Sep 2014 19:27:21 BST]
 
alaskamom 9 years ago
Is that tantrum normal for him - the way he did it I mean? Not wanting to be looked at or touched?
 
Evocationer 9 years ago
The tantrums themselves are fairly new, but they do seem to have the same pattern as today's. It was just longer and more intense.
 
alaskamom 9 years ago
He seemed like he had a small improvement from the last 2 days. Not sure overall if there's any improvement though.
Last night at the beginning of the night, he was able to put himself back to sleep a couple of times prior to my husband and I going to bed. But after that he still slept pretty poorly. Waking very often wanting to nurse, crying even while nursing sometimes. Seemed agitated when he'd wake, pulling harder than usual on my hair (normally when he's waking in the middle of the night, he doesn't really grab for my hair, only when he's awake and trying to fall asleep). Restless. Woke earlier than usual, and ended up taking a 4 hour nap today as a result.
His appetite has been spotty still, so it seems like he's making up for it by waking so often to nurse at night. Either that or nursing so often at night for comfort is making him not very hungry during the day.

Oh, and he had a small/brief tantrum during the night--about 4am. He cried, refused to nurse, and didn't want to be held or talked to, for about a minute and then asked for 'mama' and nursed back to sleep.
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alaskamom 9 years ago
I looked at these rubrics:

Capricious, rejecting what is longed for when offered
Looked at, cannot bear to be
Inconsolable
Touched, aversion to being

I also looked at a few of the smaller rubrics:

Capriciousness, rejecting things offered, in children - ant-t, bry, cham, cina, ip, kreos, rheum, staph

Weeping when looked at - ant-c, brom, kiss, Nat-m, puls, Tarent

Shrieking when looked at - brom

Shrieking when touched - ant-t, cina, mag-c

Shrieking < consolation - ant-c, bell, cham

There are only 2 remedies that come up in all those main 4 rubrics - Chamomilla and China.

Obviously we have tried Chamomilla with little success.

China is an interesting idea - not a remedy I had considered at all for him. The appetite issue (eating small amounts frequently which seem to fill him up) and the sleep problems are very typical for China.

But I don't feel confident in that choice (although we can consider it later).

Instead, when I look at smaller rubrics and the overall state, I would actually consider one of the Antimonium salts. Ant-t and Ant-c feature very prominently. I think I would go with Ant-c first. Because of his sensitivity my preference would actually be to use the LM potencies (so 0/1 and then 0/2) but if necessary you can start with 30c.
 
Evocationer 9 years ago
I could order the LM, but would need to wait a week or so until my husband gets his next paycheck. I might be able to do the 30C though.

I wonder, is the Arsenicum a bust? I thought he was showing some improvement on the 30c. Is it maybe something we could still try out? I don't know if it's something worth trying, but what about diluting it farther in changes of water, etc? Either the 30c or 200c? If it was working well, but it was just a matter of the aggravation, surely we can dilute it far enough so that's not an issue? I'm obviously just a layperson, but just thought that maybe Arsenicum didn't get a fair shake (maybe just wishful thinking on my part). It also would be rather handy since I already have that remedy on hand.
 
alaskamom 9 years ago
The symptoms right now do not point to Arsenicum, and considering his reaction to the 200c I would be very hesitant about trying it again.
 
Evocationer 9 years ago
Is there a way to antidote the Calc-Phos then while we're waiting for payday? I've been trying to look up antidotes but it doesn't seem Calc-Phos has a homeopathic antidote.
 
alaskamom 9 years ago
It's not a proving. Those symptoms are not found in Calc-phos. This is his state, or an extension of his state. The only way to 'antidote' is to give the remedy that matches the symptoms.

It may not even be a direct response to the medicine, but simply an evolution for him since he is growing quite fast. Having said that, it is possible for a medicine to simply cause the normal state to intensify as a defence, just as it would for any perceived outside threat like an injury, a fright etc.
 
Evocationer 9 years ago
Hmm. Well I guess we'll just see how he does while waiting to buy the remedy.
 
alaskamom 9 years ago
So I have some news. I was perusing a book called Homeopathic Psychology, and I got onto Natrum-Mur. I read through it, and felt like it was a fit for me. I wondered if it might be something that would help Kody, too.
So yesterday, I gave him a dose of 200c (and myself, too). Last night he slept the best I think he has out of all the remedies we've tried! I was amazed! He only needed my help getting back to sleep once at 4:30am. He stirred and woke me up a few times besides that, but didn't need my help going back to sleep. Wow! What do you think?
 
alaskamom 9 years ago
I have a theory. I looked up Nat-Mur, and apparently it's made from sodium chloride.
Kody sleeps worse whenever we take the kids to a chlorinated public pool. So apparently chlorine aggravates for him. Maybe the cloride in the remedy helps him?
Night 2, he woke up a lot. He went to bed early, on account of not really getting a nap yesterday (we were out and about during his naptime). He woke a lot, not as much as was prior to the Nat-Mur remedy, but about his baseline I think. I did re-dose him partway into the night, because he woke several times before I went to bed. Not sure if he was better after redosing. He woke for the day at 3 am, which is not too surprising considering he went to bed for the night at 5pm. At any rate, I'm thinking, if the Nat-Mur isn't a perfect fit, I wonder if Chlorinum might be better?
 
alaskamom 9 years ago
That isn't why Nat-mur might help him. That might explain why the chlorinated pool aggravates him if he is in a Nat-mur state.

Nat-mur didn't come up for the symptoms when I analysed the case. It isn't a remedy I would have consider based on the symptoms you gave.

Be careful getting into self prescribing - you can make a mess of your case that way. I thought you were doing well on Sepia - why did you want to take another remedy on top of that?
 
Evocationer 9 years ago
Well, I was reading the Sepia profile on Homeopathic Psychology, and it was describing a healthy Sepia, as well as the unhealthy Sepia state. I felt like in some ways I could see myself as a Sepia, there were a lot of ways where it just didn't seem to fit. And the book referenced Nat-Mur in the Sepia section. So I read up on Nat-Mur. And I felt like there were so many things in the psychological aspect of Nat-Mur that I could absolutely relate to. And when looking at the physical aspect of it, I saw a lot of symptoms that matched up as well---even the little red bumps that have been around my nose/mouth for the last 2 months. So I felt it would be worth a try.
Besides, weren't we kind of at the end of what Sepia could do for me? I felt like I was aggravating a lot on it, and wasn't too inclined to take any more of it. But I felt like there was still work to be done---I still felt like I didn't want to be social or go out and do stuff with my kids, still felt like I didn't have a lot of energy.
 
alaskamom 9 years ago
If you like I can post some of the Nat-Mur section of the book (it's really long) and point out the parts that I related to.
 
alaskamom 9 years ago
There is no such thing as a 'healthy' remedy state. A remedy only matches a disease, never health. This is an unfortunate but common misconception about homoeopathy. If you are still Sepia after taking a remedy, then the remedy was the wrong one and you were never Sepia.

You might need Nat-mur as well of course, in fact it is a complementary medicine to Sepia. Few people only ever need one remedy.

Superficially Nat-mur and Sepia can look alike, which might be why you think the picture resembles you.

We have only gone to Sepia 200, and have not repeated it that often. We still may need to go to 1M or even 10M before it is finished. It is really important that you don't try and take over the treatment - you don't have the experience or training or objectivity to do that. I am happy to discuss any lack of progress you might feel you are having, but I need to be the one making the prescriptions. Any symptom you feel is not budging should be examined more closely. There are over 10,000 medicines - you won't be able to find your way to most of them.

You aren't reading Phillip Bailey's book are you?
 
Evocationer 9 years ago
Yes it is his book. Is it not a good one to be reading?

I'm sorry for deviating, I guess I just felt you were kinda busy and it was easier to research on my own. I also felt like we weren't getting anywhere with Kody and thought I might be able to see into it easier than you since you are limited on what you can do with him, being across the miles.

How can I avoid aggravating so much on the Sepia? I feel the Sepia has helped, but maybe I need it again? Last time I took it I had an aggravation for 2 days. I really don't want to repeat that.
Sometimes the Sepia seems hit and miss. Like when I go up in potency, the first time I take it, I feel amazing for a few days. Then I never get that good of a response after that. It's always less of a dramatic response. I feel like I get tired of always fighting myself and wish I could have more dramatic 'cure', even though I know that's not the way it works when you have such a chronic problem.
 
alaskamom 9 years ago
More honestly, I was just really disappointed that we haven't gotten anywhere with Kody, especially with the little bit of success with the Arsenicum, and was getting pressured by my husband to do the 'cry it out' sleep training, which I absolutely hate (we tried it). It ended up being him crying and sobbing for 2 hours straight, sleeping for 20 minutes, then waking up crying again. It didn't last long because I just couldn't handle it. But of course a friend of mine had success with her daughter, who is about the same age, and who woke often like Kody does, etc.
So out of desperation I just wanted to do something, anything to help him sleep better. I almost feel like it's a lost cause. I know it would be a lot easier if I could just take him to someone locally, who could actually look at him. My husband is trying to get better work but it always seems like it doesn't work out. Anyway.
 
alaskamom 9 years ago
Unfortunately Dr Bailey's book isn't very good. Especially his lecture on Nat-mur, where he makes the completely outrageous statement that a large majority of people need Nat-mur (I think he said something like 75% or something like that). You cannot trust someone who makes statements like this. He has clearly mixed up a number of remedy pictures and presented them all as Nat-mur. Perhaps he was Nat-mur and saw everyone through his own remedy (as people do when they are still sick).

Also, many of his pictures are based on one or maybe two cases. Nobody should be writing a book based on such tiny amounts of information.

I do seem to remember him making reference to 'healthy' remedy states - this is a mistaken understanding of how homoeopathy works. He isn't alone in this - the idea that a person can remain in a remedy state after being given to a patient is touted by people who cannot cure their patients. Maybe he came to this conclusion by trying to give most of his patients Nat-mur? One mistake can beget another.

I am busy here, and in my own practice - but for the most part you are all doing well except for Kody, and you are waiting for a remedy I have prescribed for him. His case is hard, no doubt, complicated by allopathic drugging as it has been. And this situation is not ideal, not being able to see him in person. I have to work purely by intellect and knowledge rather than with instinct and intuition, which rounds out my prescribing technique normally.

I understand your disappointment - I feel that too when a case doesn't react the way I hope it will. However, rather than just taking the remedy, you could ask me about it see what I think - perhaps Nat-mur would be something I would consider if you drew my attention to it. Nat-mur hates consolation and affection - perhaps that is the point where it has similarity to his case. Who knows - maybe you jumped in the right direction. We will see how this goes.

In terms of your concern about aggravation, you hadn't made that clear to me before. There are many ways to adjust the dose so that doesn't happen. Diluting into more water is the best way to do that but you can try all these steps:

1. Hit the bottle less times (minimum once)

2. Use fewer drops (minimum one)

3. Use more water (maximum 250mls)

4. Take less out of the water (minimum 1 drop out)

5. Instead of putting the teaspoon of mixture into your mouth, put it into another amount of water (1/4 cup, 1/2 cup, 3/4 cup, full cup), stir and take the teaspoons out of that into your mouth. By diluting into a second cup aggravation can be reduced dramatically. You can even do this several times. I have never had to go beyond the fifth cup with any patient.

This is why measuring is important, so that you can adjust the steps when necessary.
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Evocationer 9 years ago
Ah well that's too bad about his book, it's unfortunate that he is making erroneous assumptions about Nat-Mur. I was so drawn into it because it was so detailed and I thought it sounded right. At any rate, I'm going to have to toss that one out the window. At least I didn't pay anything for the book, it was a free download.

As for asking first--I actually did post and ask about the Nat-Mur a couple of days ago on my thread. I wonder if somehow it didn't show up? I also asked about the aggravation but didn't hear anything, and at that point I was feeling OK so I didn't say anything else on it. But I feel like I could use something.
Thanks for the directions on how to dilute.
How long should I wait after trying the Nat-Mur before dosing on Sepia again? I took the Nat-Mur yesterday.

As for Kody, what do we do next? I'm assuming I gave him too much of the remedy, because of him sleeping so poorly last night. I had given him one dose on Saturday afternoon, and then Sat night was when he slept so well. I thought maybe he needed more last night, because he woke up every hour after going to sleep, it seemed. So I'm not sure if it was just a fluke or what on Sat night.
 
alaskamom 9 years ago
It's ok I may have missed the post too. There is a bit of a problem with all 4 posts being followed too, I might answer a question in the wrong one and lose track so it's not necessarily your fault :)

You will need to wait at least a week now, because there should be an aggravation of some kind if the remedy is going to help you rather than palliate the symptoms - this is true for both of you.

3 doses of 200c? That is a lot - I am not sure what that may have done. It certainly is too much. He might be aggravating, but if it is only palliating or suppressing you could have caused a new problem. Let's hope that hasn't happened.

Whichever it is, we need to wait it out. Let me know when the Ant-C arrives as this is the next step to take for him.
 
Evocationer 9 years ago
Only 2 doses each of the 200c.
Should I use something to antidote it?
 
alaskamom 9 years ago
No antidoting isn't necessary. Waiting is the correct response. We don't know what is happening yet. He may not even be reacting to the remedy. This is still his normal state. Without knowing what has happened, nothing we do can be safe, so it is better to do nothing.
 
Evocationer 9 years ago
OK. Well if aggravations are a good thing, I think I'm definitely getting one. Time will tell whether it's an aggravation that's working toward a good thing or just a bad thing.
 
alaskamom 9 years ago
All right, so here we are a week out from giving the Nat-Mur.
For Kody, he had a really good night's sleep at the beginning, then not so great the next night. Then it seemed like he went into an aggravation and woke up a TON the next few nights. Slowly over the week he slid back into his baseline. He's waking up a lot, but not much different than normal. Every few hours. This morning I was able to convince him to go back to sleep for a couple extra hours, with a lot of help. He was really cranky and teary yesterday, but today after the extra sleep he is a happy kiddo. He's still nursing a lot, especially at night.
 
alaskamom 9 years ago
So Nat-mur was a palliative remedy then. It palliated initially (improvement) without any aggravation, and then the aggravation came after as the vital force reacted to the palliation. Finally he returns to his normal state.
 
Evocationer 9 years ago

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