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Potency problem

Hi Mr.Murthy and other seniors,
my constitutional remedy is phosphorus and it did wonders at 6c potency for 6 months until sep 2006 1for my chronic constipation, soft tissue inflammation and mental anxieties i suffered for 8 years.

but higher potencies upto 200c have only aggravated my symptoms and i am suffering with its bad effects. many other homeopaths have also agreed that i am phos constitution. and the ill effects of phos have been antidoted with nux vom for 2 months effectively. but phos is still not showing any results when i tried it recently at 6c.

cud u pleae throw light on how long it wud take before my systems wud respond to phos again.
thanks and regards
  krishnamohan on 2007-07-07
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Selecting a right potency is a difficult task for homoeopath since from the Hahnemannian time to the present day. So selection of potency is a very important facto in homoeopathy therapeutics. But many difference opinions among the homoeopathis. But some fundamental rules are given below.

When to use high potency (200C to CM)

1. Patient with increased susceptibility
2. Extreme / Exact similarity between the patient & the remedy.
3. Disease in a functional zone.
4. Case not responding to low/medium potency
5. Hypersensitive patients.
6. Remedies in the inert state, nosodes are given in high potency.
7. Children, Young vigorous, intellectuals, impulsive, quick to act /react.
8. Patient or sedentary occupation.
9. Ample amount of characteristics.

When to use moderate Potency (12C-30C)

1. Moderate susceptibility
2. Partial similarity between the patient and the remedy.
3. Disease in both functional / structural zone but pathology minor & reversible
4. if the patient has become immune to low potency.
5. Moderately sensitive patient , disease is characterised by erratic pattern.
6. A messed up case.
7. Moderate amount of characteristics.

When to use Low potency. (3x,3C,6C)

1. Low susceptibility.
2. Inadequate correspondence between patient and remedy
3. Disease predominantly in structural zone.
4. Disease characterised by suppression.
5. Advance d pathological condition, borderline / Irreversible.
6. Absence of scanty characteristics, if the prescription is made on pathological basis.
7. When high potency ceases their action & on further review of case, the medicine is found to be similimum.
8. Patient with low sensitivity torpid, sluggish, idiots, imbecile, deaf & dumb and those who live on coarse food & coarse habit.

Any curable disease can be cured by any potency of the drug selected homoeopathically but as per situation and circumstances the speed of cure depends upon the competency of the person concerned who is prescribing after studying the circumstantial evidence.

Dr. Deoshlok Sharma
deoshlok last decade
Hi Krishna Mohan

I believe in the layers concept.

Just like an onion, the disease layers pile up one over the other.

Each layer has to be removed by selecting the most suitable medcine for the top most layer.

once the first layer is removed, the symptoms will change and point to the second layer. Again we have to select suitable medicine for that particular layer (set of symptoms)

You will reach your core constitutional layer thus after using a series of medicines.

At ths stage the same constitutional medicine can cure most of your acute problems.

However, there is a possibility that you can add another layer,even at this stage,either by grief/shock, use of antibiotics/ infectious disease etc.

Moreover as old age progresses, the miasms tend to shift due to natural weakening of the vital force.

The situation is truly dynamic. I don't believe in so called constitutional remedy for life.

gavinimurthy last decade
Hi Mr.Murthy & Mr.Deoshlok,
I thank you very much for your kind replies which have helped me a lot.

Mr.Murthyji, your reply has once again confirmed the opinion of majority of homeopaths about multiple layers. the same opinion coming from a knowledgeable person like you makes me believe more in that concept.

can i ask you one more clarfication please. because of my super chronic problem lasting for more than 9 years now, i am shifting to ayurveda temporarily on the advise of three homeopaths who have treated me in the past and one of them is the current homeopath who is treating me. according to them, i am only proving many other homeo remedies and there is no satisfactory improvement in my case.

But, because of my faith in homeopathy, i wish to come back in fture (after 9 years of hopeless struggle with it) once i see some relief with ayurveda.

my queries are,
1) when my systems are normal, can i try my constitutional remedy phosphorus to get rid of all the negativities in my constitution?
2) i am informed that homeo remedies cant login into the systems (whether actute of constitutional) unless there is a burning problem either on mental or physical level.

3) my doubt is that i always had a restless and fearful and anxious mind even when i had no physical problems. so phosphorus should work to calm down my mind.

Your reply would great help me.
thanking you
with regards
krishnamohan last decade
Hi Krishna,
homeopathic remedy works in all potency from 6c-CM but problem is remedy you slect should be 100% similer and single remedy then you see how its work and don't use to lang up to month cud be dangrous and don't think homeopathic no side effact you can consult any homeopath about this.
any concern cantact to me !

faisal qureshi last decade
Mind, anxiety :

abrot., acet-ac., acon-f., acon., act-r., act-sp., aeth., agar., agn., ail., all-c., aloe., alum., alumn., am-c., am-m., ambr., anac., ang., ant-c., ant-t., apis., arg-m., arg-n., arn., ars-h., ars-i., ars., asaf., asar., aspar., aster., aur-s., aur., bar-c., bar-m., bell., benz-ac., berb., bism-ox., bor., bov., bry., bufo-r., cact., cadm., cahin., calad., calc-p., calc-s., calc., camph., cann-i., cann-s., canth., caps., carb-an., carb-o., carb-s., carb-v., carl., caust., cench., cham., chel., chin-a., chin-s., chin., chlol., cic., cimx., cina., clem., coc-c., cocc., coch., coff., colch., coloc., con., croc., crot-c., crot-h., crot-t., cub., cupr-ar., cupr., cur., cycl., dig., dros., dulc., elaps., eup-per., eupho., evon., ferr-ar., ferr-i., ferr-p., ferr., fl-ac., gels., glon., graph., grat., hell., hep., hura., hyos., ign., indg., iod., ip., jatr., kali-ar., kali-br., kali-c., kali-chl., kali-i., kali-n., kali-p., kali-s., kreos., lach., lact., lat-m., laur., led., lil-t., lyc., lyss., mag-c., mag-m., mag-s., manc., mang., med., meny., merc-c., merc., mez., mill., mosch., mur-ac., mygal., naja., nat-a., nat-c., nat-m., nat-p., nicc., nit-ac., nux-v., olnd., op., ox-ac., petr., ph-ac., phel., phos., plan., plat., plb., psor., puls., pyrog., pæon., ran-b., ran-s., raph., rheum., rhod., rhus-t., ruta., sabad., sabin., samb., sang., sars., scil., sec., seneg., sep., sil., spig., spong., stann., staph., stram., stront., stry., sul-ac., sulph., sumb., tab., tarent., thu., valer., verat., viol-o., viol-t., xan., zinc.

Mind, anxiety, fear, with :

anac., ant-c., ant-t., ars., aur., bar-c., bell., berb., bry., calad., calc-s., calc., canth., carb-s., caust., chel., chin-a., chin-s., chin., cic., cina., clem., cocc., coff., cupr., dig., dros., dulc., ferr-ar., ferr-p., ferr., graph., hell., hep., hyos., ign., kali-ar., kali-c., kali-i., kali-n., kali-p., kali-s., kreos., lach., lyc., mag-c., manc., mang., meny., merc., mez., nat-a., nat-c., nat-m., nat-p., nicc., nit-ac., nux-m., nux-v., onos., phel., phos., plat., psor., puls., rat., rhus-t., ruta., sabin., samb., sec., sep., spig., spong., staph., stront., sulph., tab., thu., til., verat.

Mind, restlessness, nervousness :

abies-c., abies-n., abrot., acon-c., acon., act-r., act-sp., aeth., agar., ail., all-c., aloe., alum., alumn., am-c., ambr., aml-n., ammc., anac., anan., ant-c., ant-s., ant-t., anthr., apis., apoc., arg-m., arg-n., arn., ars-h., ars-i., ars., art-v., arum-t., asaf., asar., asc-t., aster., atro., aur-m., aur., bad., bapt., bar-c., bell., bism-ox., bor., bov., bry., cact., cadm., calad., calc-p., calc-s., calc., calo., camph., cann-i., cann-s., canth., caps., carb-an., carb-s., carb-v., cast., caul., caust., cedr., cham., chel., chim., chin-a., chin-s., chin., chlor., cina., cinnb., cist., cit-v., clem., cob., coc-c., coca., cocc., coff-t., coff., colch., coll., coloc., com., con., cop., cor-r., corn., croc., crot-c., crot-t., cub., cupr-ar., cupr-s., cupr., cur., cycl., dig., dios., dirc., dor., dros., dulc., elaps., erig., ery-a., eug., euphr., eupi., ferr-ar., ferr-i., ferr-m., ferr-p., ferr., fl-ac., gels., gent-c., gins., graph., guai., ham., hell., helon., hipp., hydr-ac., hyos., hyper., hæm., ign., ind., iod., ip., iris., jab., jatr., kali-ar., kali-br., kali-c., kali-chl., kali-i., kali-n., kali-p., kali-s., kalm., kreos., lac-c., lach., lachn., lact-ac., lact., laur., lec., led., lepi., lil-t., lob., lyc., lyss., mag-c., mag-m., mag-s., manc., mang., med., meph., merc-c., merc-d., merc-i-r., merc., merl., mez., mill., morph., mosch., mur-ac., myric., naja., nat-a., nat-c., nat-m., nat-p., nat-s., nicc., nit-ac., nux-m., nux-v., oena., olnd., onos., op., osm., ox-ac., petr., ph-ac., phos., phys., phyt., plan., plat., plb., prun-s., psor., ptel., puls., ran-b., rat., rheum., rhod., rhus-t., rhus-v., rumx., ruta., sabad., sabin., samb., sanic., sarr., scut., sec., sep., sil., sol-n., spig., stann., staph., stram., sul-ac., sulph., sumb., tab., tarax., tarent., tax., tell., thu., trom., valer., verat., vinc., viol-o., vip., zinc., zing.

If you repertise the case based on these symptoms alone, this is the order.

sec. ars. acon. rhus-t. puls. psor. lyc. caust. calc. anac. sulph. sep. nit-ac. merc. kali-p. kali-c. ign. dig. cupr. chin. bell. aur. verat. staph. plat. phos.......

See where is phosphorous..26 th position. Ouot of a possible weightage of 9, it has only 6.

So, take it out of mind that Phos is going to help you forever.

You have to be treated on the 'present' symptoms, every time.

gavinimurthy last decade
We think off miasmatic analysis, inclding taking account the past symptoms only when we hit a block.

Phosphorous will not work for you always.

gavinimurthy last decade
Hi Mr.Murthy,Mr.Faisal,

I apologise for delay in getting back to you as i whad a very bad time until yesterday night with pain/cramps in my stomach so cud not check your posts.

Mr.murthyji, your reply has thrown more light on my case but what i was wondering, my constitution fits exactly into the picture of phosphorus (I quote mr philip bailey's homeo psychologies here). i can identify myself with each line of phos description in the book except that i am an introvert phosphorus who likes being alone and desires company on a intellectual plane. i have tried on the advise of my homeopath in the past, tuberculinum which comes close to it but with no results.

my query is, will a constitutinal remedy show up itself in the form of its symptoms while we are clearing different layers with other remedies and if so my constitutinal remedy shud clear most of my crying problems. well, u have already clarified that u dont believe in a single const. remedy but as an amateur i was wondering my constitution fits into phos more or less forever though i may need other remedies in different frames of time.

mr. faisal, u r right in saying that the right remedy will work regardless of what potency it is taken but i think i have overdoses phosphorus by taking it for 8 months in 2/3 doses each day (by succussing it). i am grateful to you for your kind offer to contact you incase needed. thanks very much for that.

Mr.murthyji, mr.faisalji, please clarify my doubts at your convenience.

With thanks and regards
krishnamohan last decade
Hi Mr.Murthy and Mr.faisal and other seniors,

I am sorry for my immediate previous query inspite of your clarifications about constitutional remedy above.

Let me get straight and simple with this. WHEN AND HOW DO WE KNOW A PATIENT HAS BEEN MORE OR LESS TOTALLY CURED.

thanks in advance
with regards
krishnamohan last decade
Dear krishna,
you read a 'Hering law of cure' then you can know how is pateint going to cure.
faisal qureshi last decade

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