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Dear Dr. Organon,
I am pasting the mental symptoms of the patient.
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MENTAL SYMPTOMS
1. I have a good memory
2. For things IÂ’m not interested
3. At any specific time
4. Yes I usually remember
5. Normally yes
6. Yes
7. I stay more quite as usual and subdued
8. During sickness IÂ’m mild, GLOOM, a little intolerant and sullen '
Yes, let us wait for Murthy.
Sameer.
I am pasting the mental symptoms of the patient.
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MENTAL SYMPTOMS
1. I have a good memory
2. For things IÂ’m not interested
3. At any specific time
4. Yes I usually remember
5. Normally yes
6. Yes
7. I stay more quite as usual and subdued
8. During sickness IÂ’m mild, GLOOM, a little intolerant and sullen '
Yes, let us wait for Murthy.
Sameer.
sameervermani last decade
'I have no habit of intervening, I came in when I saw only a fog of indecision here.'
There is no indecision as such Mr Girilal, just careful thought rather than steaming ahead with random remedy suggestions.
There is no indecision as such Mr Girilal, just careful thought rather than steaming ahead with random remedy suggestions.
Dr Organon last decade
Ahh, and there it is, in that case I owe you an apology Mr Sameer. My gut still tells me Nitric acid though, but we shall wait and see which is curative.
Dr Organon last decade
The patient is waiting for the joint opinon of the team of three:
Gavini, Sameer and Dr. Organon.
How long he needs to wait gentlemen !!
Gavini, Sameer and Dr. Organon.
How long he needs to wait gentlemen !!
♡ PANKAJ VARMA last decade
♡ girilal last decade
Are you still there Joaquin?
Apologies for the pointless diversions, but it would seem other members here would prefer to indulge in attempts at personal attack than provide treatment.
We will wait for Mr Murthy's input then the remedy will be suggested.
Apologies for the pointless diversions, but it would seem other members here would prefer to indulge in attempts at personal attack than provide treatment.
We will wait for Mr Murthy's input then the remedy will be suggested.
Dr Organon last decade
I'm sorry, I've had enough of this insanity for one night.
Joaquin if you are still here, which would suprise me, we will pick this up tomorrow, when a remedy will be prescribed.
Joaquin if you are still here, which would suprise me, we will pick this up tomorrow, when a remedy will be prescribed.
Dr Organon last decade
♡ girilal last decade
♡ gavinimurthy last decade
Dear Sameer and Dr.Organon
I went through the case once again thoroughly.
After considering everything, I feel we should try Nitric acid first.
It has got the severity the patient is feeling in his throat symptoms. It matches all the important generals.
Silecia too is competing, and if you agree we can put him on Silecia 6X for some time, after giving three doses of Nitric acid 200c.
My plan is like this.
Nitric acid 200c, 4 pills as one dose, on three consecutive days.
Silecia 6X from the fourth day, 4 tablets twice a day for a week. Silecia follows well after nitric acid.
We will review the case after a week.
I look forward to your comments.
Murthy
I went through the case once again thoroughly.
After considering everything, I feel we should try Nitric acid first.
It has got the severity the patient is feeling in his throat symptoms. It matches all the important generals.
Silecia too is competing, and if you agree we can put him on Silecia 6X for some time, after giving three doses of Nitric acid 200c.
My plan is like this.
Nitric acid 200c, 4 pills as one dose, on three consecutive days.
Silecia 6X from the fourth day, 4 tablets twice a day for a week. Silecia follows well after nitric acid.
We will review the case after a week.
I look forward to your comments.
Murthy
♡ gavinimurthy last decade
Dear Murthy,
I am also of the view that Silica is compelling for this case. (It is one of 3 remedies I had pointed out)
However , I think rather than giving three doses of Nitric Acid 200C over 3 days, we should either give three doses of 30C at half hour intervals or one SINGLE dose of Nit-ac 200C.
And, let us not assume that Silica will be needed. Maybe Nitric acid IS the simillimum and we should give it time to work alone. How about waiting for one week after the Nit-ac doses and reviewing the case before giving Silica or any other remedy ?
Sameer.
I am also of the view that Silica is compelling for this case. (It is one of 3 remedies I had pointed out)
However , I think rather than giving three doses of Nitric Acid 200C over 3 days, we should either give three doses of 30C at half hour intervals or one SINGLE dose of Nit-ac 200C.
And, let us not assume that Silica will be needed. Maybe Nitric acid IS the simillimum and we should give it time to work alone. How about waiting for one week after the Nit-ac doses and reviewing the case before giving Silica or any other remedy ?
Sameer.
sameervermani last decade
30c may be too low a potency for an acid in such cases.
Three consecutive doses are normally suggested because
1) All the doses given cumulatively till the action is started is construed as one dose.
2) Long acting medicines take time to start acting, and three doses over a period of three days is tolerated in chronic cases like these.
Three doses within a day as suggested by you too seems to be o.k. The three dose concept came into vogue mainly because the chances of atleast one dose being taken in ideal conditions are more in that.
3)The problem with a single dose is, the dose may get antidoted because of so many reasons not within the control of the user/ lack of complaince or understanding of instructions on how to take the medicine.
My favourite instruction is
No odors on you (perfumes etc), near you (in the room, sprays etc) and in your mouth while taking the medicine.
Regarding Silecia to follow after Nitric acid, I normally find that tissue salts help in maintaing the favourable action of the homeopathic medicine when they are compatible.
Dr.Organon being from USA may be in deep sleep now. :-).
Let us wait for his comments too.
Let me once again reiterate that I am glad to have found colleagues like you and Dr.Organon to discuss homeopathic matters, the way they should be discussed.
Unless the parties concerned are familiar with fundamentals, and are willing to participate, no worthwhile discussion can take place.
So far my experience is , those who know the fundamentals are not willing/ don't have time to discuss, and those who tend to discuss have poor knowledge in the fundamentals of homeopathy.
Murthy
Three consecutive doses are normally suggested because
1) All the doses given cumulatively till the action is started is construed as one dose.
2) Long acting medicines take time to start acting, and three doses over a period of three days is tolerated in chronic cases like these.
Three doses within a day as suggested by you too seems to be o.k. The three dose concept came into vogue mainly because the chances of atleast one dose being taken in ideal conditions are more in that.
3)The problem with a single dose is, the dose may get antidoted because of so many reasons not within the control of the user/ lack of complaince or understanding of instructions on how to take the medicine.
My favourite instruction is
No odors on you (perfumes etc), near you (in the room, sprays etc) and in your mouth while taking the medicine.
Regarding Silecia to follow after Nitric acid, I normally find that tissue salts help in maintaing the favourable action of the homeopathic medicine when they are compatible.
Dr.Organon being from USA may be in deep sleep now. :-).
Let us wait for his comments too.
Let me once again reiterate that I am glad to have found colleagues like you and Dr.Organon to discuss homeopathic matters, the way they should be discussed.
Unless the parties concerned are familiar with fundamentals, and are willing to participate, no worthwhile discussion can take place.
So far my experience is , those who know the fundamentals are not willing/ don't have time to discuss, and those who tend to discuss have poor knowledge in the fundamentals of homeopathy.
Murthy
♡ gavinimurthy last decade
Dr.Organon being from USA may be in deep sleep now. :-).
Murthy
But Simon just told me that he is posting from an id emanating from India.
Murthy
But Simon just told me that he is posting from an id emanating from India.
♡ PANKAJ VARMA last decade
Hi,
I'm not missing, I just wake up. I'm used to sleep at night Girilal. Where are you from?
Thanks who is tying to help me.
I enjoy very much reading this discussion
Joaquin
I'm not missing, I just wake up. I'm used to sleep at night Girilal. Where are you from?
Thanks who is tying to help me.
I enjoy very much reading this discussion
Joaquin
Joaquín last decade
Let me checkup with reference to his IP. I remeber him saying somewher that he is from USA.
Hi Joaquin
Wait for a while. Your case is attracting everybody. :-)
Murthy
Hi Joaquin
Wait for a while. Your case is attracting everybody. :-)
Murthy
♡ gavinimurthy last decade
This is what was available at Hpathy
Dr Organon
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Any body can go there and see this. He is not posting from India ,atleast while he was posting at Hpathy.
Murthy
Dr Organon
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Joined: 09 Jan. 08
Location: United States
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 16
Any body can go there and see this. He is not posting from India ,atleast while he was posting at Hpathy.
Murthy
♡ gavinimurthy last decade
Hi Murthy,
yes I can see how attractive is my case. Today I must go out, I'll be back tomorrow in the evening. If you have some any other questions I'll answer.
Joaquin
yes I can see how attractive is my case. Today I must go out, I'll be back tomorrow in the evening. If you have some any other questions I'll answer.
Joaquin
Joaquín last decade
There are no further questions as on now.
Come back here on your return. Hopefully we can finalise something by then.
Have a nice trip.
Murthy
Come back here on your return. Hopefully we can finalise something by then.
Have a nice trip.
Murthy
♡ gavinimurthy last decade
Hello again, Mr Murthy, Mr(?)Sameer.
Silicea had begun to occur to me as a possible follow up remedy also, and with the mention of the 'cartilidge-like' wound by Joaquin, which of course would be a good example of increased growth of scar type tissue, this seemed to be more likely the case.
I have to say though, I am extremely suprised by your method of dosing Mr Murthy, and I would have to agree with (Mr?)Sameer.
One should never presuppose the choice or even need for a possible 'follow up' remedy before a reaction is even seen to the first, and to actually prescribe this second remedy before this has occured, as is the case here, is no different than prescribing them both together, which is of course never admissible.
The patient must ALWAYS be given a chance to react to a remedy, and the symptoms allowed to re-present themselves, before prescribing anything else, which is not the case if we are merely switching remedies in this manner.
A Homoeopath will only ever prescribe two remedies at the same time, if he is too lazy to take the case fully, and find the similium, or lacks the ability to do this, although I am quite sure this is not the case here, and there is just some confusion over how remedies should be applied.
I also do not understand the need for 4 pills, as it doesn't matter if one pill or a whole bottle of pills are taken as a single dose, the effect will be the same, it is only frequency of dose which makes a difference when dry dosing.
I agree, I also enjoy this kind of discussion, as it is one of the ways we may learn from eachother and situations, although I do think in this instance it has maybe become perhaps a little too detailed when actually prescribing for a patient, who just wants to get well, and such detail is probably best suited for seperate discussions.
My RX then, as we all seem to have reached an agreement, would be Nitric Acid 200c, but given as three evenly spaced doses, on one day, of just one pill, and then allowing at least a week before retaking the case.
Silicea had begun to occur to me as a possible follow up remedy also, and with the mention of the 'cartilidge-like' wound by Joaquin, which of course would be a good example of increased growth of scar type tissue, this seemed to be more likely the case.
I have to say though, I am extremely suprised by your method of dosing Mr Murthy, and I would have to agree with (Mr?)Sameer.
One should never presuppose the choice or even need for a possible 'follow up' remedy before a reaction is even seen to the first, and to actually prescribe this second remedy before this has occured, as is the case here, is no different than prescribing them both together, which is of course never admissible.
The patient must ALWAYS be given a chance to react to a remedy, and the symptoms allowed to re-present themselves, before prescribing anything else, which is not the case if we are merely switching remedies in this manner.
A Homoeopath will only ever prescribe two remedies at the same time, if he is too lazy to take the case fully, and find the similium, or lacks the ability to do this, although I am quite sure this is not the case here, and there is just some confusion over how remedies should be applied.
I also do not understand the need for 4 pills, as it doesn't matter if one pill or a whole bottle of pills are taken as a single dose, the effect will be the same, it is only frequency of dose which makes a difference when dry dosing.
I agree, I also enjoy this kind of discussion, as it is one of the ways we may learn from eachother and situations, although I do think in this instance it has maybe become perhaps a little too detailed when actually prescribing for a patient, who just wants to get well, and such detail is probably best suited for seperate discussions.
My RX then, as we all seem to have reached an agreement, would be Nitric Acid 200c, but given as three evenly spaced doses, on one day, of just one pill, and then allowing at least a week before retaking the case.
Dr Organon last decade
'But Simon just told me that he is posting from an id emanating from India.'
Then 'Simon' is obviously wrong. You would do well to check your sources Mr Varma, but I must say, I am finding all this attention/paranoia/attempts at goading rather amusing either way, so thank you.
Then 'Simon' is obviously wrong. You would do well to check your sources Mr Varma, but I must say, I am finding all this attention/paranoia/attempts at goading rather amusing either way, so thank you.
Dr Organon last decade
Joaquín, poor girilal is from New Jersey. He can't hire two assistants so he learned to work alone, fast, accurate and real.
♡ girilal last decade
Dear Dr. Organon and Mr. Murthy,
I am also of the view that, the doses should be on the same day so that the body can take them as 1 dose.
If they are not on the same day , we are interfering with the body's reaction to the first dose.
Something like spaced by 2-3 hours on the same day should be OK.
Yes, discussing this case with both of you was a pleasure, so now, if I may take the liberty :),
Joaquin:
Please take 3 doses of Nitric Acid 200C on a single day.
1 dose = 1 or 2 pills.
Space the doses by 2-3 hours.
Do not eat or brush teeth for 1 hr before and 1 hr after each dose. Avoid coffee if you can during treatment.
Then post your status after a week.
Good luck,
PS: Dr. Organon, I am a male , so yes the Mr. was valid :)
Sameer.
I am also of the view that, the doses should be on the same day so that the body can take them as 1 dose.
If they are not on the same day , we are interfering with the body's reaction to the first dose.
Something like spaced by 2-3 hours on the same day should be OK.
Yes, discussing this case with both of you was a pleasure, so now, if I may take the liberty :),
Joaquin:
Please take 3 doses of Nitric Acid 200C on a single day.
1 dose = 1 or 2 pills.
Space the doses by 2-3 hours.
Do not eat or brush teeth for 1 hr before and 1 hr after each dose. Avoid coffee if you can during treatment.
Then post your status after a week.
Good luck,
PS: Dr. Organon, I am a male , so yes the Mr. was valid :)
Sameer.
sameervermani last decade
O.K.
That is the most 'classical' way.
May be I started getting influenced by being here for such a long time so much so that I am willing to try a bit of non classical ways too. :-)
Hi Joaquin
So, that is your prescription.
Try it out and report after a week.
Murthy
That is the most 'classical' way.
May be I started getting influenced by being here for such a long time so much so that I am willing to try a bit of non classical ways too. :-)
Hi Joaquin
So, that is your prescription.
Try it out and report after a week.
Murthy
♡ gavinimurthy last decade
♡ PANKAJ VARMA last decade
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