≡ ▼
ABC Homeopathy Forum

 

The ABC Homeopathy Forum

Mental symptoms: I think all the time, instead of act! Page 4 of 7

This is just a forum. Assume posts are not from medical professionals.
Softwares are no doubt helpful to the extant that they take the drudgery out of reperterisation.

However the inputs are to be given carefully to get a reliable result.

However passionately one may argue, there is no way to refute the fact that

RUBBISH IN IS RUBBISH OUT.

Murthy
 
gavinimurthy last decade
Great... rubbish the software...instead of introspecting on mistakes in analysing the case.
 
PANKAJ VARMA last decade
India churns out a few thousand 'qualified' homeopaths every year and hardly ten percent of them ever become good homeopaths.

There are many mediocre colleges which impart substandard education and the tag BHMS by no means makes one a greater homeopath.

The 'certified' homeopaths, who make a living solely by being a homeopath has to resort to all sorts of gimmics to attract patients to their practice. The claims of fantastic cures is one such ploy.

The other tendency of these 'certified' homeopaths is to palliate the problem quickly to retain the patient without bothering about the possibility of suppression.

The self taught homeopaths who don't have to live off their patients, generally give a better quality advice as they do this service for the satisfaction of helping others with no ulterior motives.

The overall good of the patient is always at the back of their mind.

The really good 'certified' homeopaths won't visit these forums as they are too busy to be able to do so.

Murthy
 
gavinimurthy last decade
rubbish in is rubbish out.....
 
PANKAJ VARMA last decade
Re: Mental symptoms: I think all the time, instead of act! From gavinimurthy on 2008-03-30

Any software has limitations.

'Rubbish in rubish out' aptly applies to Remedy finder too.

You need lot of insight into the philosophy of homeopathy to know which symtoms are to be given priority out of so many available.

Murthy
Report post to moderator

-----------------------
Gavini....

It is important to have the interest of the patient at heart ...rather than make posts for self-glory.

Gavini...you have to understand how much pains Simon had to undertake for making this very useful Remedy Finder Software...and he has placed it at the disposal of the entire world for their use.

Time and again Simon has updated the software...as we have seen in the last four years...for that also he has put in great amount of continous effort.

To say 'Rubbish in and rubbish out..' ....is like saying that his monumental effort in putting together the Remedy Finder Software is a waste.

How disgraceful on your part Gavini...a man of your age and standing in society ...how can you do that.

Shame on you !!

Pankaj Varma
-------------------------
Members of ABC Homeopathy Forum..

This is just to let you all know, last time I was in London on a visit...I met Simon Broadlay...the Moderator and owner of ABC Homeopathy and personally congratulated him for placing such a useful software at the disposal of millions of people around the world.

Best wishes
Pankaj Varma
 
PANKAJ VARMA last decade
I never belittled the usefulness of any software let alone The Remedy Finder.

Remedy finder does give good results if your data that you feed in is good enough.

If you feed rubbish to any software, even the best software in the world does churn out Rubbish.

There is nothing in whatever I wrote to belittle the effort done by ABC in creating this software.

Avoid personal remarks which make one feel like retaliating. I am showing maximum restraint and there is a limit to my patience.

Murthy
 
gavinimurthy last decade
That is a very misleading statement.

I want to inform all members of ABC Forum that...

...the ABC Remedy Finder software gives accurate results even to a layman...just that the symptoms have to be entered truthfully....and the resultant 'Remedy Grid' analysed appropriately.

Pankaj Varma
 
PANKAJ VARMA last decade
The crux of the problem is in choosing which symptoms to enter and which ones to leave.

That needs knowledge. There is a way to assign priorities to the symptoms.

To tell briefly

The delusions if any
The 'never well since' symptoms
The prominent mental symptoms
The desires and Aversions
The modalities
The other generals

get the priority and the Chief complaint is the last one that demands our attention though not the least.

The very common symptoms like weakness, headache, indigestion etc are never taken into consideration while using a software.

A layman will never be able to make any headway by entering the hundred odd symptoms which he feels he has into the software.

Murthy
 
gavinimurthy last decade
Murthy wrote:
>The crux of the problem is in choosing which symptoms to enter and which ones to leave.

This seems to be true.

Okay, there has been a lot of discussion about this. Let us try this, maybe we can take a fresh look.

I went back and looked at the symptoms from the first full chart I filled out in the Remedy Finder. I methodically picked out only those symptoms that were of *top* concern to me. Can someone analyze this and suggest what may be helpful in defeating this problem?

I understand that this won't cure me completely, but if I can get rid of, or even substantially reduce, the symptoms below, then we will have gone a very long way.

I hope this is helpful.

I will post the list in just a few minutes.

- Will
 
Crimsoncloak last decade
Will,

Even the software cannot give varying weightages to your symptoms.

Software is not the way to go because the symptoms need to be given differing priorities as Murthy has pointed out above.

how will you find and give higher wieghtages to never well since symptoms and core delusions in softwares is beyond me.

Sameer
 
sameervermani last decade
Here are the top symptoms of concern to me. Notice this is still the same top two I mentioned at the beginning of this thread (in a nutshell, inability to take action on anything of importance, and fear of criticism, that someone will say something bad about me, etc.).

* mind; emotions, feelings, attitude, disposition; indifference, apathy, etc.; has no desire, no action of the will
I need to get things done in life!

* mind; emotions, feelings, attitude, disposition; sensitive, oversensitiveness; to rudeness
Fear of criticism. I actually imagine it where it is not appropriate.

* mind; emotions, feelings, attitude, disposition; indifference, apathy, etc.;
It is like my emotions are covered or blocked somehow. Good or bad, it doesn't matter. I am not being apathetic on purpose, I just can't feel too much.

* mind; emotions, feelings, attitude, disposition; indecisive; in acts
Just more of trying to do a specific task and thinking about it instead.

* mind; emotions, feelings, attitude, disposition; lacks will power to undertake anything

* mind; emotions, feelings, attitude, disposition; starts many things, perseveres in nothing
I actually persevere mentally extremely well mentally, that is to say I can try to do something for years and years. But I rarely physically follow through (sometimes for awhile). If that isn't what this symptom truly means then please ignore this one.

* mind; emotions, feelings, attitude, disposition; indifference, apathy, etc.; to important things
What I think this symptom means is that I 'know' the important things I should be doing intellectually, but I don't usually 'feel' the excitement or motivation necessary to act.

* mind; emotions, feelings, attitude, disposition; indifference, apathy, etc.; better among society
It is strange that I am afraid of criticism, but I am not a hermit. I actually don't have a social life, almost no friends, but I feel better after being around people in non-threatening situations, like going to a grocery store. (Nobody confronts you in a grocery store, usually). If that isn't what this symptom truly means then please ignore this one.

Thanks for your thoughts!

- Will
 
Crimsoncloak last decade
I forgot to mention, I ranked the symptoms in the above list, in order. So the first is what I consider the most pressing to eliminate.
 
Crimsoncloak last decade
Will, many of the symptoms you have repertorized above are inaccurate descriptions. e.g. '* mind; emotions, feelings, attitude, disposition; indifference, apathy, etc.; better among society ' is not at all an accurate rubric for

'
It is strange that I am afraid of criticism, but I am not a hermit. I actually don't have a social life, almost no friends, but I feel better after being around people in non-threatening situations, like going to a grocery store. (Nobody confronts you in a grocery store, usually).'

The same thing is true for
* mind; emotions, feelings, attitude, disposition; starts many things, perseveres in nothing

and

* mind; emotions, feelings, attitude, disposition; indifference, apathy, etc.; to important things
What I think this symptom means is that I 'know' the important things I should be doing intellectually, but I don't usually 'feel' the excitement or motivation necessary to act.

Using the Kent's repertory I am going to repertorize the symptoms which make sense. I list the medicines listed under your rubrics :

1)Mind;indifference;apathy;
INDIFFERENCE, apathy, etc. : Absin., acon., agar., agn., ail., alum., am-m., ambr., anac., ant-t., Apis., arg-n., arn., ars-i., ars., asaf., asar., aster., bapt., bar-c., bar-m., bell., berb., bism., bov., brom., bufo., calc-p., calc-s., calc., camph., cann-i., cann-s., caps., carb-an., carb-s., Carb-v., caust., cham., chel., chin-a., chin-s., Chin., cic., cimic., cina., clem., cocc., con., corn., croc., Crot-c., crot-h., cupr., cycl., cypr., dig., elaps., euphr., ferr-ar., ferr-i., ferr-p., ferr., fl-ac., gels., glon., graph., guai., gymn., Hell., helod., hep., hura., hyos., ign., iod., ip., jatr., kali-ar., kali-bi., kali-br., kali-c., kali-p., kali-s., lac-c., lach., laur., lepi., Lil-t., lyc., mag-m., manc., meli., meny., merc., Mez., mur-ac., naja., Nat-c., Nat-m., Nat-p., nit-ac., nux-m., nux-v., olnd., Onos., Op., petr., Ph-ac., Phos., phyt., pic-ac., Plat., plb., prun-s., psor., Puls., raph., rheum., rhod., rhus-t., rumx., ruta., sabad., sabin., sars., sec., sel., seneg., Sep., sil., spong., squil., stann., Staph., stram., sulph., tarent., ther., thuj., verat., verb., viol-t., xan., zinc., ziz.



2)Mind; Delusions;criticised, that she is : Bar-c., laur., plb., rhus-r.

3)Mind; fear; strangers of,
strangers, of : Ambr., bar-c., carb-v., caust., cupr., lach., stram., thuj.

4)Mind; timidity;bashful, Aloe., ambr., anac., arg-n., aur., bar-c., bell., calc., carb-an., carb-v., chin., Coca., coff., con., cupr., hyos., ign., iod., kali-bi., kali-p., manc., mang., merc., mez., nat-c., nit-ac., nux-v., petr., phos., Puls., stram., sulph., tab., zinc.


Hope this helps.

Sameer.
 
sameervermani last decade
The peculiar symptoms like 2) and 3) above are more important in picking the remedy because they are only found in a handful of remedies. 2) is a delusion which gets the highest priority among all symptoms, regardless of the fact whether it IS the one which bothers you most or not.

Symptoms like apathy are found in a lot of remedies as you can see from 1) above.

I have nothing more to say.

Good luck in your treatment,
Sameer
 
sameervermani last decade
Will, I made some observations that I thought might be of interest…….

- January of 2007 – “sameervermani” is a patient recently diagnosed with sarcoidosis looking for ideas for treatment from homeopaths, which he got at ABC….

- In October of 2007 - “sameervermani” is again asking for some help, having had a relapse of some of his symptoms after taking a certain remedy…..

- March of 2008 – Unexpectedly, “sameervermani” is quoting the Organon and making remedy prescriptions like a pro….. the patient has suddenly become a homeopath?

- Dr. Organon (aka Jacob Scott – who has been suspended from this forum more than once) and a “samv” are moderators on their own separate forum….. so it appears that there is some valid cause for doubt here as to who you are dealing with.

I find the obvious sharing of the name , “sameervermani” by more than one ‘identity’ rather troubling, to say the least. There is an awful lot of deception on the Internet, some of it important, some not. You will have to make up your own mind about that. Sorry to disrupt your thread – the discussion of case analysis here has been rather interesting.

Tracy
 
Truthfinder last decade
Mr/Miss(?) Tracy (or ??) ,

Rather than question my identity , it would be better if you questioned the stuff I wrote in this thread. Do you have a problem with what I wrote ? If yes, go ahead, and point it out.

Once again, the emphasis should be on what is written and I don't quite understand this obsession about people's personal details.

And yes, I am a student of homeopathy who gives 5 hours to homeopathy every day, reading the old masters, and yes, I got attracted to homeopathy through my own illness which I ended up curing myself in 2007. FYI, I am also enrolled in a professional degree course now. Is there a problem in learning something in 1 year through hard work and passion ? I never claimed that I am a professional . I WILL be one soon though :)



Sameer
 
sameervermani last decade
Just for the sake of record

I am quoting when some one asked me about where I gained my knowledge, I replied as below..

Re: Another try to mt chronic throat problem. Help please From sameervermani on 2008-01-14

Quote

I am just starting to learn. I have been reading on homeopathy since the last year or so :)

Unquote

Sameer.
 
sameervermani last decade
Sameer, I have been on too many forums where a ‘banned’ poster has managed to return using a different identity, and by the time this is found out and handled by the moderators of the forum, the entire board has been disrupted, arguments have ensued, and the people seeking help for their problems are left in the lurch. I’m sure you can understand my concern, and when there appears to be some anomalies with any poster, then ‘red flags’ go up for me.

You appear to have made such enormous strides since the end of November of last year that I would be interested in looking into such a course myself – would you please share with me the name of the course you are taking and through what school? So many homeopathic schools these days have rather inferior courses of study, limited class time with real practitioners, and little hands-on practice for the students….. and these courses are expensive! I wonder how anyone can afford full-time study and still manage to make a living…!

Good luck with your course study. The world can always use some more true ‘professionals’.
 
Truthfinder last decade
All most all of the stuff I have learnt is self-taught through reading. The course I have joined, is barely starting and will not touch the real chronic-disease/ miasmatic topics anytime soon. I just am doing it for getting a 'certification' of sorts and to concretize my case taking skills through formal education and to get more clinical experience. But, you are right, there is indeed a dearth of good courses out there.

Thank you for the wishes.

Sameer
 
sameervermani last decade
Truthfinder,

Many thanks for giving us the colourful details of the background of 'sameervermani'.

Was very much needed.
-------------------

Crimsoncloak,

Please fill up the Remedy Finder Questionnaire again and tick in the box for priority against each symptom ......(that you mentioned above) ......which is important to you for early healing.

Again copy here the new Remedy Grid that emerges.

Pankaj Varma
 
PANKAJ VARMA last decade
I never belittled the usefulness of any software let alone The Remedy Finder

- Murthy

-------------------

Then you were trying to belittle me and other prescribers at ABC Homeopathy Forum.

Better get out of that self-gloryfying mode Gavini Murthy...and behave like a mortal.

Pankaj Varma
 
PANKAJ VARMA last decade
Hi Pank aj

Despite warning you many times not to resort to personal remarks, you are not heeding.

I know Simon has got a soft corner towards you and won't do anything to restrain you.

However as you are painfully aware I am the last person to take your silly remarks lying down and can expose your propensity to resort to personal remarks when you are thoroughly beaten in a meaningful debate.

Any third party can observe that you resort to these cheap tactics of addressing a person in a demeaning way when you know that your hollowness of the knowledge in homeopathic matters is exposed.

It is strange that you won't accept defeat graciously and continue to argue endlessly without rhyme or reason and amuse others by your foolish remarks time and again.

If you really want to win a debate improve your knowledge by reading more...more of the classics like Kent, Nash, Hering, Farrington, Allen, Clarke, Guerensy, just to name a few..and throw your roadside ten rupee books in the dust bin.

Remember the days when you were out of circulation for months together just to avoid the merciless dissection of your hasty and meaningless prescriptions.

Don't invite the same now once again. Stop taking my name and making personal comments atleast from now to save your own skin.

Anyone who reads this thread from beginning to end will understand that I have shown maximum restraint so far but you are becoming worse and worse assuming my patience as weakness.

Be aware that I will not keep quiet if you cross the limits.

Murthy
 
gavinimurthy last decade
Murthy, some have also accused me of having a soft spot towards you, so I think the balance is probably about right.

As for the Remedy Finder, regardless of how much work I put into it, everyone is entitled to their opinion on it. Yes, the choice of which symptoms to enter makes all the difference.

As for weightings, you can make one symptom a priority by clicking the circle in the column with the diamond shape (next to the dustbin column). Not quite the same thing, I know, but might be useful if you didn't know that.

The debate being had here, by the way, will probably go on forever -nobody will change anybody else's mind. I suggest you ignore those whose presence upsets you.

Simon
 
moderator last decade
Ok, I will redo the Remedy Finder here, hopefully within the next day. I will show the results here.

As for Baryta. I am about to receive Baryta and Aur in the mail (I'm kind of surprised it didn't show up before the weekend). So it is almost decision time.

Sameer, your argument for Baryta obviously looks quite interesting.

If I try 200C three times for one day, as I believe you recommended, what is the maximum downside? Pankaj has mentioned a possible suppression of symptoms issue, but I admit I'm not sure what that means. I'm prepared to take some risks here, that's fine, but I'd like to know what to expect both good or bad so I can weigh my options.

Hopefully Pankaj and anyone else with an opinion will weigh in on this too.

Pankaj and Sameer, I see you both like Lyco, and so do I, so I want to order it. I assume 200C is appropriate (tell me if I'm wrong).

How long do I need to wait between these remedies? For example if I receive the Baryta today and we ultimately decide I will try it, how long a wait must there be before trying Lyco?

Thanks for all your help.

- Will
 
Crimsoncloak last decade
Dear Simon

You might have observed that I refrained from taking notice of Pankaj's personal remarks and stayed on course despite the unnecessary provocations till the previous post.

However I have a right and obligation to reply to the damaging statements that are being made against me without any basis, even after my explicit warnings not to provoke me.

Coming back to Remedy finder it is definitely a very good software which translates the common man's symptoms into the language of the rubrics of repertory, and I know the exhaustive work that have gone into it to make the patient not to miss any thing connected with the main complaint, be they modalities, period of aggravation, thermals, concomitants etc.

This is a unique feauture of the Remedy finder which literally guides the patient so as he doesn't miss anything important. This feauture is not found in other softwares..even the so called professional ones for which you have invest considerable amount.

I use it many times and found it definitely useful. I have been telling all along that the output from even the best softwares depend on the quality of the input that is being given.

I hope people will realise the essence of what I have been saying all along and refrain from prolonging this unnecessary duel.

Murthy
 
gavinimurthy last decade
Dear Will

I really feel sorry for these diversions on your thread.

Coming back to your problem there is no harm in trying ANY remedy provided you don't repeat itt unnecessarily, assuming that you belong to the not so sensitive type of a person.

Your posts don't indicate that you belong to the sensitive category. As such go ahead and try Baryta carb first as suggested by Sameer.

I will be watching your case with interest and chip in as and when required.

All the best.

Murthy
 
gavinimurthy last decade

Post ReplyTo post a reply, you must first LOG ON or Register

 

Important
Information given in this forum is given by way of exchange of views only, and those views are not necessarily those of ABC Homeopathy. It is not to be treated as a medical diagnosis or prescription, and should not be used as a substitute for a consultation with a qualified homeopath or physician. It is possible that advice given here may be dangerous, and you should make your own checks that it is safe. If symptoms persist, seek professional medical attention. Bear in mind that even minor symptoms can be a sign of a more serious underlying condition, and a timely diagnosis by your doctor could save your life.