Antidotes?

This is not appropriate on your part. When you have already got the answer from a qualified professional homeopath, who is treating you, then what is the meaning of putting this question? Please trust him.
[message edited by gkumar on Tue, 25 Oct 2011 13:59:29 BST]

Sorry some of these questions get posted while I am asleep otherwise I am pretty quick to jump in.

You cannot antidote a curative remedy except with another homoeopathic remedy, and even then that remedy would have to match the symptoms (aggravation) the first remedy is producing. It is remotely possible a substance you take could do this too, but again it would have to have the same symptoms of the first remedy. The chances of that, are astronomically small.

Antidoting of a well chosen remedy rarely happens accidentally. In fact I have almost never seen it happen in 20 years. Palliative remedies, suppressive remedies, they are very fragile and can be upset quite easily by all sorts of things. This is only because their hold on the patient is so tentative that it cannot withstand even a minor challenge.

Curative remedies on the other hand are powerful, stable, and can face up to almost anything without caving in.

Homoeopaths who give mostly palliative remedies are terrifed of antidoting - coffee, tomatoes, perfumes etc. Homoeopaths who give curative remedies learn fairly quickly to have confidence in the power of our medicines to genuinely cure and not disintegrate the moment the person has a cup of tea or puts on a fragrence.

Really, it makes no sense that this would happen. Do people really believe that health, that cure, is such a weak and puny thing?

I don't think Gkumar meant anything by it. I believe that the person I have had all that trouble with recently make have made a few people here a bit sensitive to the whole patient/practitioner issue. I think he was actually defending me, mistaking your questions for the agitating the other person is doing. (I hope I am not offending him by speaking for him like that)

That advice, was given by Hahnemann in our Organon of Medicine, for 2 main reasons -firstly for provers (people doing the experiments to tell what symptoms our medicines produce) so that the symptoms won't get confused. You want to be a certain as you can be that the medicine is responsible for the symptom you are going to put in our books.

Secondly, as general health advice, he said many of those things should be avoided - he did not say that they would neutralize the effects of cure. He felt that nobody could achieve optimal health and keep taking things like coffee and tea. In this I agree, but this certainly is not antidoting.

Antidoting is mentioned clearly in the Organon - it is the choosing of a second medicine to counteract an inappropriate first medicine, based on the symptoms. The Law of Similars is still used, just as always.

So clearly, you cannot antidote, unless the symptoms match, and what do you think the chances of that are in a random substance you come in contact with?

This is not to say it is impossible, just extraordinarily unlikely.

I have given the simillimum to many patients over the years. None of them ever antidoted their remedy accidentally - certainly over time symptoms can come back if the disease is not fully cured, or some kind of traumatic experience can reactivate it. But tomatoes, incense, coffee? Not ever that I have seen, not that my colleagues have seen. I have seen it spoken about at seminars too by some of the most well known homoeopaths who agree - this is not how curative medicines are antidoted.

There are ways to interfere with cure though. Suppress the symptoms that come up in an aggravation is probably the main one. Since the only way a remedy cures, is by causing similar symptoms to those you already have, and creating a 'push back' in the opposite direction, if you neutralise that initial effect you will not get that push in the opposite direction (to cure).

Yes blame it all on me. This is ridicoulous. Another patient in another thread tried to use me to handle his insecurities, and here the same thing.

You know what I have to say to you. If you cannot handle criticism than do not hop into other peoples threads that are none of your business in the first place. As simple as that. Hope you learned your lesson.

'What goes around comes around'... Is what came to my mind when I read the beginning of this thread.

Dear Respected David,

can just giving the time with no remedies antidote the aggravations of fogging of mind and feeling of not being present in the world.

because too afraid of remedies dont know to do.

since dont have knowlege of homeopathy and its hard to explain every single state of mind and body.

your answer is greatly appreciated

thanking you

why do people go back to homeopathy again when their symtoms aggravated, and I am one among them.

Do all the symptoms of the remedy needs to match with the patients? Since I dont see any of my symptoms fully match with the remedy.

Please answer.

Most often, people who aggravate will find that by waiting and taking no more medicine, the aggravation will die down.

If it is a true homoeopathic aggravation, then improvement should follow. This will only happen on a remedy selected for the whole case and not part of it. A partial similar, a remedy selected only for part of the case, can aggravate that part of the case without curing it however.

Aggravations without improvement can happen for other reasons as well. Some patients are oversensitive to homoeopathy, and may apparently aggravate on anything they are given. This is a difficult situation but it can be handled by proper dosing (using the Split Dosing method of Hahnemann or the Olfaction method).

Other patients with tissue changes (physical results of pathology) may aggravate frequently and strongly as well. This can also be handled with changes to dosing, but often needs to be managed by careful use of potency.

Lastly, those patients who have had a lot of medical suppression over their lifetime often experience much more powerful aggravations, as all those suppressed symptoms come rushing back up to the surface. This can be a very worrying situation when it happens, and can be somewhat unexpected in its intensity. Very careful dosing again will aid such patients, although they often remain our most challenging.

Generally speaking, those people who become afraid of homoeopathy because of the reactions have not had very careful prescribers. Often they have been given the dry pillules to retake over and over, or they have been asked to mechanically repeat their doses for days, weeks or even months on end with no assessment. They may have been given potencies that are too high, or been given multiple remedies at once or too close together. All of these behaviours can cause serious problems for patients.

Why do people come back? Because the key to being permanently cured lies in homoeopathy. That hope brings people back.

That's impressive turn over time for answers Dr.David.


Thanks and regards

Yes yes, once you 'grown ups' grow up and stop blaming me for your own insecurities... I see someone got really defensive. I have been told I am hard on people before. But I never believed them. Homeopathy gave me great insight into myself and is trully a wonderfull tool.

[Moderated and that would be the final post by Platina.]

Tea is a stimulant, and a drug. Specifically Hahnemann mentions black tea, I do not know if he was familar with green tea for example.

Of course I also believe that a healthy body can resist any negative impact of moderate use of such things.