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  girl2010 on 2014-10-09
This is just a forum. Assume posts are not from medical professionals.
You can take
1. Arsenic Alb-200 6 pills once in a day
1. Mimulus+Horn beam (3+3) drops in one teaspoon water twice a day

R.P. Tamhankar
 
shouse_nsk 5 years ago
There is no 'miasm' in that. That is just a symptom. Miasm is the overall pattern of the disease evident from the nature of the illnesses that are produced by the patient, the history including the family history, the way in which their vital force 'manages' any health condition.

There are multiple rubrics that MIGHT represent that statement, but the real questions would be:

'What is the experience of being forced?'
'What is the reaction to being forced?'
'What situations do you feel forced in?'

Out of those answers you could begin to explore the place that 'forced' occupies in the patient's life/disease.

There may be all sorts of ways to look at it - Aversion to change, Contradiction aggravates, Obstinate, Aversion to responsibility, Lack of confidence and so on. Most of those rubrics have hundreds of remedies in them.

However, the reaction might be expected based on the exact depth and extent of their illness, in which case it would not be a symptom used for prescribing at all. Things which are common in the situation, which you would expect a person to have or feel, are not indictors for the underlying disease state.
 
Evocationer 5 years ago
Evocationer,

What would the rubrics be-

if the person is being threatened- either covert or overt.

As in- time to get a job, but meaning.. if you don't there
will be consequences. As in place to live, allowance, or other
funds going to be removed if you don't.

Or withdrawal of attention, or punishment such as not
speaking to the person, talking rude to the person, disapproving
looks, or verbal abuse bc the person is not doing what
the other one wants-

and I think this is different if someone is ill or
not quite better from illness-

rather than someone who for whatever reason can work
and does not want to work.
 
simone717 5 years ago
It would depend on how they perceived that threat and the exact situation.

If the threat is real, it is not a symptom at all but an actual occurrence. We don't give a remedy for a actually occurring event when treating mentals. If you really are being threatened, it is not a symptom, not something that a remedy can treat.

You might instead treat the reaction in that case, or ignore it completely and focus on genuine peculiar symptoms. There would generally be anxiety or even fear from a threat, so depending on the nature of that reaction it may not figure into the analysis at all.

Possible ways of interpreting being threatened are:

Delusion being attacked
Delusion being assaulted
Delusion surrounded by enemies
Delusion persecuted
Delusion sees people threatening her
Delusion hindered
Delusion opposed
Delusion oppressed
Delusion trapped
Delusion pressured by those around him to perform
Delusion has neglected his duty and deserves reproach
Aversion to quarrels
Sensitive to reprimand
Anxiety when anything is expected of him
Aversion to responsibility
Anxiety of conscience
Fear of an ordeal
Delusion pursued
Laziness
Aversion or Incapacity for business


and so on ...
 
Evocationer 5 years ago
Hi-

With the exclusion of Laziness and aversion for business-,
aversion to responsibility-

I have read several if not many Sankaran cases where
the wife was being Verbally attacked, threatened,
hindered, opposed, oppressed, trapped, pressured to
perform, told they deserved reproach ( did not do things
perfect) anxiety of conscience, fear of an ordeal,
delusion pursued ( yes they were being hounded all the time)

So none of these things were delusions- due to life
circumstances they were a victim- whatever remedy
was prescribed helped them stand up to people and not
take on the anxiety -in other words they had been
beaten down by the behaviors of others and were
feeling weak.-

Most of the reactions were anxiety and fear and ANGER about the
situation.

But it was situational in that the people around them really were very
mean and toxic and unstable. And there were real consequences of
being treated worse if they stood up for themselves. Somehow
after the remedy, the abusers lost a lot of power due to the
person regaining power.

And not only the Sankaran India cases but a lot of abused children
with the first paragraph rubrics as well (alcoholic parents)
I have seen some do better with the remedy Chocolate, and some cases
with the butterfly remedies.

What remedies do you get for the first paragraph-even if it was not
a delusion but real in the past and ongoing now?
 
simone717 5 years ago
If there is a difference between how the patient perceives it and the reality then there is disease. This is where stress occurs and from it disease if the vital force becomes disordered. How the patient perceives the situation is where the remedy lies. If the situation and the perception is exactly the same then there will not be disease UNLESS the response is also out of proportion.

However, Sankaran does not prescribe on isolated events. He looks at current situations in light of the overall pattern of experiences and reactions to see what shape the internal disease is taking. A person who reacts the same way to many or even most situations is obviously showing an internal imbalance. You cannot know that (usually) from one situation (because we often cannot know if the situation is real or not). That is why we spend so much time going through the history, looking at all the various difficulties the patient has had. This can establish a pattern, which must depend on the internal disorder of the vital force to be repeating over and over.

In a situation where someone is being hounded (reality) the reaction is what is important. If the patient says 'that person is hounding me' and it is true then it is not a symptom. If the person says 'I am always being hounded by someone' then this is almost certainly not going to be true, but a perception. If the person says 'that person hounding me feels like a knife going into my heart' then you won't focus on the real situation but on the peculiar reaction to it.

However in those situations where the event is real and verifiable (objectively happening), rather than using 'delusion' it might be more appropriate to use 'ailments' or 'sensitive' or some other emotion (if it is an unusual response). Very often remedies will in fact show both kinds of symptoms, since we tend to think in terms of an axis ie. China is both sensitive to being hindered AND sees hinderances where there are no, feels sensitive to persecution AND feels persecuted even when it is not happening.

Real life traumas of any sort will cause us to respond either in a healthy fashion or an unhealthy one. Our job as homoeopaths is to sort out what is disease and what is not - not always an easy job.

People obviously can be in genuinely disturbing situations, dangerous ones even. What has to be done is to understand how the person is experiencing it. I have often seen family members coming to me at different times, but relating to me the same events in completely different ways. Their remedy is found in this difference in perception. Just as with a physical injury, despite a real event causing the problem to come into existence

The words themselves often point us towards this individual perception or sensitivity. They may interpret someone telling them what to do as oppression - if there is genuine oppression and the situation is being reacted to appropriately, giving a remedy for oppression will not help. A remedy cannot change a real situation. If you are really in jail, a remedy won't break you out. Many people interpret real life situations in unusual ways - not in the way they really are.

A lot of words used to describe a situation are subjective - mean, toxic, oppressive, trapped, pressured, an ordeal, affected conscience - those are not real situations but a person's reaction or experience of them. We cannot say ' someone is toxic in reality' - that is a judgement on our part, an opinion, and opinions are formed on the basis of our own feelings and perceptions of a situation.

So unless the partner/husband/significant person is literally holding them down, locking them in a room, tying them up or chasing after them, it is not reality but a perception of reality. You can be pretty sure that the reality in many of those cases will not be what the person is describing. Our internal disease colours our perception significantly. Because we cannot usually be sure of the reality in a particular situation we look at all situations of impact in a persons life to see what the common threads are. Disease is where we get stuck reacting to most stressful situations in the same way, a repeating pattern. So we have to look at the big picture to be sure we are discerning the disease rather than just an isolated event.
 
Evocationer 5 years ago
I think I disagree here.

From Evocationer on 2014-10-10
If there is a difference between how the patient perceives it and the reality then there is disease. This is where stress occurs and from it disease if the vital force becomes disordered. How the patient perceives the situation is where the remedy lies. If the situation and the perception is exactly the same then there will not be disease UNLESS the response is also out of proportion-

If the situation and the perception is exactly the same there will not
be disease???


If a person is abused, especially children, there are likely outcomes. Children of Alcoholics have a lot of
problems- one of the most common is co-dependency.

Symptoms of co-dependency are:



Low self-esteem

Not liking or accepting yourself

Feeling you're inadequate in some way

Thinking you’re not quite enough

Worrying you are or could be a failure

Concerned with what other people think about you

Perfectionism

Pleasing others and giving up yourself

Poor boundaries

Boundaries that are too weak and there’s not enough separateness between you and your partner

Boundaries that are too rigid and keep you from being close

Boundaries that flip back and forth between too close and too rigid

Reactivity

Dysfunctional Communication

Difficulty expressing thoughts and feelings

Difficulty setting boundaries — saying “No” or stopping abuse

Abusive language

Lack of assertiveness about your needs

Dependency

Afraid of being alone or out of a relationship

Feeling trapped in a bad relationship and unable to leave

Relying too much on others opinions

Intimacy problems

Avoidance of closeness

Losing yourself

Trying to control or manipulate others

Feeling trapped in a dysfunctional relationship

Denial

Denial of codependency

Denial about a painful reality in your relationship

Denial of your feelings

Denial of your needs

Caretaking

Control

Controlling your own feelings

Managing and controlling people in your life; telling them what to do

Manipulating others to feel or behave like you want (people pleasing is a manipulation)

Obsessions

Addiction to a substance or process

Painful emotions

Shame

Anxiety

Fear

Guilt

Hopelessness

Despair

Depression

If you go to a meeting for Adult Children of Alcoholics - this is what thousands of those people have
and are talking about and supporting each other with.

Their perception of abuse and neglect is coherent with what actually happened and this is the result-
the same result for huge numbers of people
________________________________________________


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simone717 5 years ago
'If the situation and the perception is exactly the same there will not
be disease???'

AND the response is appropriate - yes. When we are talking about mental/emotional/spiritual symptoms for the most part of course, although this can apply to physical situations as well. If you vomit after eating something poisonous, you don't treat the vomiting UNLESS it is out of proportion to what is needed to expel the substance. Of course if you are vomiting AS IF you ate something poisonous when you did not, this is a physical delusion and quite appropriate to use for choosing a remedy (however you might do that).

When the external reality and the internal perception of it match, healthy human beings will respond in whatever manner best suits the situation, allowing them to survive it. We don't attempt to treat it, because it is necessary and appropriate.

For example, if someone is being stalked by a murderer, remaining on alert and avoiding dark places alone would be necessary to stay alive. If we were to treat such a state, it could hinder their survival.

If that same person continues to behave that way after the stalker has been caught and imprisoned, or when they are in places that are perfectly safe, then you have a disease state.

If there never was a stalker, or they treat people who do not actually threaten them AS IF they were stalkers, obviously you have also a disease state.

We know in homoeopathy that whatever the situation, unhealthy people will tend to respond in specific ways regardless of the real situation. A child who is living with an alcoholic parent will have expected behaviours and they will have unexpected ones - the unexpected ones will come from their internal perception and point to the remedy. Other behaviours they are displaying will be necessary to their survival and should not be removed eg. keeping quiet, avoiding provoking the parent, hiding when the parent is angry or violent etc. Those things would not point to a remedy, and of course nothing we do with a remedy will change that situation (change the parent).

An adult who is removed from that situation may continue to display those behaviours and now they are considered disease symptoms, since their survival no longer depends on them, but they are stuck carrying these behaviours out. This will actually limit them in their new life (away from the parent).

Not every adult survivor of abuse reacts the same way. Although SUPERFICIALLY they can seem alike (and support groups encourage them to think this way to create bonds useful for healing and coping)a good homoeopath can see the differences between them, and they are significant from our perspective. I have treated hundreds of people from that kind of background (it is shocking to see how common abuse by parents of their children is) and every case has been quite different once you went deeply enough into it.

Even when looking at a list like the one you have shown here, the exact combination of feelings/behaviours/expressions would be important for us, as would be the specific way they verbalised them. The internal state will decide which particular responses and emotions they will have, and it will thread particular ones together along an axis relevant to that state (remedy). Nobody has all of those feelings, it like the picture we form for a miasm - a collection of possible reactions and symptoms from which a particular individual will display only some related to the remedy they need to cure them. Inside of the 'abuse' picture Controlling your feelings + Denial of your needs = Carc but Abusive language + Controlling your feelings = Anacardium (as a simple example). Those two people would see themselves as similar but we would see them as completely different - that's homoeopathy, the therapy of individualization. Governments, doctors, psychologists - most of society in fact likes to pigeon hole people into easily recognizable groupings based on external situations. We prefer to do the opposite.
 
Evocationer 5 years ago
Thanks, a difficult area to say the least.
 
simone717 5 years ago
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girl2010 5 years ago
Those are just potential symptoms. Without the whole case a remedy cannot be prescribed. Symptoms have little meaning if not seen in context of the other symptoms in the case.

The entire 4th row of the periodic table and all the salts made from those elements have those feelings, as well as many of the remedies from the C-ancer miasm. It isn't enough to say that any remedy might help the person with those problems.
 
Evocationer 5 years ago
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girl2010 5 years ago

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