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Dear Pankaj,

Now, you are becoming more and more ridiculous.'Human aura has been mapped and studied... Let the new techniques in homeopathy come...they are good for all...will cut out lot of debate.'

What do you mean?A new thing beyond the aura, with in the aura or what.The more you write the more hollow you appear.

I am like a TV reporter!!Thanks for this compliment.I gave so much respect to you from the beginning because i thought of you as a spiritual person and a devotee of Sai Baba.But i am very sorry to say that i am very disappointed.There are a lot of foreigners also reading all this.If you do not stop your antics, you are bringing disrepute to your Guru's revered name too.

How easily you lie?You said that you have read all the classic books of homeopathy and much more?Now we know better.Every homeopath worth his salt will know from all these ridiculous statements of yours, how much you have read.Reading and prescribing from such stupid books as you mentioned as your bible at the beginning of this thread does not make one a homeopath.Forget becoming a good one.

You questioned what next after Hahnemann and the Organon?It seems that for you it is Drs. Bajaj and his colleague after Hahnemann and their brilliant book after the Organon.I leave the readers of this thread to make their own judgement as to what to make of you as a homeopath.

Any way.All the best.

Rajiv
 
rajivprasad last decade
Excuse me for interrupting but I myself have seen a fully qualified homeopath who uses three remedies to cure
acute as well as chronic problems. There are people who swear by her and come from from very far and near to get medicines from her. She recently also got a award for her work in homeopathic field for curing a chronic case.
What she does for chronic problems is she will give a remedy in high potency once a week/month and alongside giving medicines for the problems palliating/curing at that time.
What I believe is that the high potency remedy activates the vital force while the other complementary remedies help in faster recovery.
What happens is while treating a person with a chronic problem like asthma, and in between the person catches fever/sore throat, she gives medicine curing that also. I myself have seen her curing the eczema in hands and feet of a maid which was incurabale by allopathic medicines.
And the complementary medicines are generally in 30c potency.
If you see the crowd at her clinic , you would realise how effective she has been.
For example recently she gave medicine for a maid having skin problem- Graphites 30-morning dose
Hepar Sulf 30 -two doses in afternoon and evening and Sepia 30 at night.
It has been 18 days and the skin of hands is 90% normal.
 
robina last decade
Hi Robina

I could see the prescriptions you made from your profile.

No wonder you tend to support this sort of prescriptions, as you yoursef are in the habit of giving such prescriptions.

The doctor you are quoting may be an expert in palliating.

Did you ever bother to find out the condition of the patients she cured after a few years?

There are many qualified doctors, who resort to such deplorable methods, simply because they are lazy, and are not interested in finding the similimum.

I wonder how you people call yourself homeopaths, when you flout even the most basic principles like

Similar remedy

Single dose

Minimum dose

Wait and watch

Repetetion/change of medicine only when required


Those who try to understand how homeo medicines work will never resort to such foolish tricks.

Which country you are from and who is that great doctor you were referring to?

Murthy
 
bandarbabu2000 last decade
Dear Robina,

I have mentioned many times in my various posts that there are so many treatment styles prevalent in the homeopathic world, which have aparently proved successful.The doctor that you mention about may be very good at understanding the relationships among different remedies and uses that in her practice.But so many remedies prescribed at the same time is not how Hahnemann and the other masters have recommended.Earlier, Maheeru pointed out that T.S.Iyer, a very famous Indian homeopath has recommended some specific remedy combinations in alternation for some specific problems.I also mentioned about Burnett on another thread who was a master at prescribing organ specific remedies along with the constitutional ones to cure some of the most hopeless cases.There are more examples of this kind.I am not against experimentation as i have mentioned on another thread, as long as it is within the overall framework of the basics of homeopathy.

But despite all these things, it is so difficult to know that these patients are cured.Specially in chronic cases.Unless there is a sustained follow up is done for a number of years as to whether the cure lasted, and whether a new and more serious ailment did not crop up, it is difficult to accept such cures.

But i would like to clarify one thing.You said you believe that the high potency remedy activates the vital force while the lowere potency ones palliate etc.I think and this is again based on the Organon, that there is only one medium by which the remdy can touch a person's symptoms and that is via the vital force, by means of 'primary' and 'secondary' actions which i have clearly explained earlier.

Any way i have already said much about what i had to say in this matter.

All the best.

Rajiv
 
rajivprasad last decade
Dear friends,

For the benefit of all the people who have been reading this hot debate being raged on this forum over the last few days, i will give an example of homeopathic 'palliation'.It is my own personal example.Many years ago, in 1980, i had developed a round, red coloured erythematous eruption on me left cheek just above the cheek bone.It was treated by the leading skin specialists for two years without any success.Then i went to a 'homeopath', who was very famous and there always used to be a 'crowd' outside his clinic.The typical time that he gave for a patient was 5 minutes.He looked at my eruption, asked a couple of general questions and then gave me one dose of a remedy in his clinic.He asked us to come after 10 days.But the eruption completely vanished as if by magic in the next 10 days.So much so, that i did not feel the need to go back to the 'homeopath'.How happy i was to get rid of that ugly looking eruption on my handsome face?

But was i cured?No.After that i kept falling ill with hepatitis, frequent diarrhoea, chronic constipation, gastritis, low energy level (where i was an extremely energetic kid earlier), headaches ultimately resulting in migraine and so on.There was a chronic swelling of my liver and spleen.In other words it was a case of the exact opposite of what is known in homeopathy as Hering's observations of a true cure.The superficial eruption affecting the outermost layer i.e. the skin was removed but the disease process moved inwards affecting the more vital organs as i have described above.

It has taken me nearly 5 years of continuous self homeopathic treatment to come close to a reasonable health.I am still not fully cured.But in the next 6-8 months i should be all right given the direction and speed with which i am recovering.A chronic case when mishandled like this, appears to be magical to lay men and the 'crowd' outside the clinic increases.But the 'crowd' is never a proof of a good homeopath.I am not saying that a great homeopath will not have a great practice, but in that case the methods employed will result in 'cures' and not 'palliations' as in my case.

There are hundreds of such examples from personal experience that i can relate.But i guess, one example is enough to illustrate what i mean.

Rajiv
 
rajivprasad last decade
Rajiv,
I will convey your comments to Dr. Bajaj and Tandon and the Publishers....about the authors and the book.

Pankaj Varma
 
PANKAJ VARMA last decade
And Rajiv..it amazes me that you donot consider Indians capable of doing homeopathic research and you are overly awed by 'foreigners' !!!!!!!!
 
PANKAJ VARMA last decade
Dear Pankaj,

Please do so.No harm in them receiving this feedback.But also tell them what the objections were and why?I am sure the two doctors will understand the grounds on which the criticism was made.If they wish we can debate the issues involved on this forum threadbare.It sure will be to the benefit of all.

If these learned doctors can teach me something i am most humbly willing to learn.You will never find me wanting in willingness to learn.I have learned a few things from a number of your posts about some specific remedies.I have always maintained and can see that you have an excellent knowledge of the materia medica.

I am an honest person and like to be frank with my feelings as you can see from the way i have appreciated your knowledge of the materia medica.

With warm regards.

Rajiv
 
rajivprasad last decade
Dear Pankaj,

I don't know why you think that i am in awe of foreigners.I am certainly not in awe of any one.But is calling a true thing as true a sign of 'awe' or 'fear' of someone.I respect a number of homeopaths and their work which includes a number of Indians.

I am certainly extremely proud of the work done by Indian homeopaths like P.Sankaran, Rajan Sankaran, Diwan Harish Chand, Praful Vijaykar, Farookh Master, Parimal Banerjea, Subrata Kumar Banerjea, Koppikar, Maganbhai Desai and many others.But i also respect and admire Hering, H.C.Allen, Kent, Nash, Boenninghausen, Lippe, Andre Saine, Tinus Smits, Schepper, Catherine Coulter and so many others.

Is having a clean heart and an open mind a sign of fear or being in awe?I certainly don't think so.

I tell you again.I have nothing against you as a person.I would certainly wish that you contribute to this forum as much as earlier.But have an attitude of respect and tolerance towards fellow homeopaths so that all of us can learn from each other and serve the people the best that we can.

With warm regards.

Rajiv
 
rajivprasad last decade
Rajiv,
Personally I have nothing against you, Murthy or Jacob.
Only that I donot follow the Classical System of Homeopathy as I have made it obvious many many times.

In 2003 / 2004 Murty and I had long debates on it here on ABC. My first reaction was...God ! Again !

I certainly object to people making claims that the Classical system of Homeopathy is the 'true' or 'real' system and rest is all trash.

I follow a mixed system and I have revealed only a miniscule fraction of what the system is. What makes you think that I will disclose the entire system???
And all my reference books???

It is my Brand Equity. I invested a life time in it.

And to those who are making rude comments about me !!

If some Advsiors make rude comments about me on that ...let them. Let them do it whole heartedly !!

As long as people availing my advise benefit from it....those rude comments won't depress me!

While you guys were pulling your hair out of your head during the debate....I was enjoying the fun !!

I was reminded of Kuldeep's words...'....entertainment'.

I think ..at a particular time I fuelled it !! Why not...if the opposition is so naive....why not.

As regards...being of service to people here...if some one is better than me...please go ahead. People are waiting for who ever he / she is. I have always said I will applaud.

SAI BABA can place my services where-ever He likes.
I just follow His dictates.
At one time during the debate...it crossed my mind that Sai Baba wants to give me a vacation for some time from this work. I was ready to welcome it.

I can now understand some of your bitterness...which stems out of your illness.

I wish you 'Get Well' and send you a bouquet of roses just like Munna Bhai did to Lucky Singh ...in Munna Bhai Lage Rahoo.

Pankaj Varma

For those who don't understand Hindi:

Muna Bhai Lage Rahoo ....literal meaning...Kid Brother! keep persisting !

Hidden meaning.....Kid Brother ! I may not agree with you ..but I admire your preseverence!
 
PANKAJ VARMA last decade
Dear Murty

How are you? Long time no see.
 
kuldeep last decade
sorry bandarbabu2000
I Murthy wrong.
 
kuldeep last decade
Again correction:

I spelled Murthy wrong.

I need two thing that I am stubbornly refusing one is to wear eye-glasses and other is to type slow.
 
kuldeep last decade
Hi Kuldeep

I have been very active since the last two days. : )

I wish to spend atleast an hour everyday on abc, hereafter.

Murthy
 
bandarbabu2000 last decade
Dear Murthy

Please email me.
 
kuldeep last decade
Dear Pankaj,

So a true disciple of Sai Baba is so worried about his 'brand equity' that he is not going to disclose all his references.It is a good excuse that you found after half a day of thinking hard.Now the new strategy of 'that i fuelled this debate amd found 'entertainment' while i was pulling my hair' is interesting. So you are openly admitting that your earlier felings of being in 'deep anguish' was an utter lie.All these antics of yours add up to one thing.You are a very shallow peson whose 'statements' are very unreliable.Your insistence upon bringing your revered Guru in support of your 'spiritually inspired lies' makes you look so pathetic.

I must admit that i do not find this idea of using His Holiness Shree Shree Sai Baba as your shield very 'entertaining'.I must really congratulate you for your refined taste which allows you to be entertained by such cheap gimmicks.People are calling you all kinds of things in a public forum and you are enjoying it.It is a nicely considered response that you have developed after a long thought.

Lage raho Pankaj Bhai.Aap ki in harkaton se ab logon ko bhi khoob majaa aa raha hai.

Rajiv
 
rajivprasad last decade
Dear friends,

For the benefit of those who do not know Hindi, i will translate my last comment for Mr.Pankaj for you.

I said to him,'Keep persisting 'old' and hence 'senile' brother Pankaj.You are giving free entertainment to people with your monkey like gimmicks'.

Rajiv

P.S. to 'Old' Brother Pankaj

I have accepted your bouquet with happiness.Your best wishes are reciprocated.Aap bhi jaldi theek ho jana.Aap ke dimaag to aaraam ki jaroorat hai.

For those who do not understand Hindi, i told Brother Pankaj that 'You also get well soon.May your brain which is in much need of rest heal soon.'

Rajiv
 
rajivprasad last decade
Definitions from Science:

HYPOTHESIS

A hypothesis is an educated guess, based on observation. Usually, a hypothesis can be supported or refuted through experimentation or more observation. A hypothesis can be disproven, but not proven to be true.


LAW

A law generalizes a body of observations. At the time it is made, no exceptions have been found to a law. Scientific laws explain things, but they do not describe them.

Source: 'About Chemistry'
 
PANKAJ VARMA last decade
SAI BABA does not say that one should cut his hands and hand them to those who are opposing him.

HE asks his followers to be 'Righteous' in their conduct.

Arjuna was Righteous in his conduct during the War of Mahabharata.
 
PANKAJ VARMA last decade
Achelles was Righteous in his conduct during the Trojan War...when he handed back the body of slain Hector to his father (The King) and promised the King that there will be no war for 14 days...during the mourning period for Hector.
 
PANKAJ VARMA last decade
Dear Rajiv

Everybody by now must have understood the mentalty of all the people involved in the debate.

I am sure that everybody who has read all the exchanges since the last few days, will appreciate what sort of a person you are.

I for one appreciate your knoweldge,boldness, and commitment to a cause. Above all, you have come out with flying colors as a compassionate human being.

Despite your best efforts to patch up, if someone is dragging you also into the brawl, it speaks volumes about the nature of the person concerned.

Now, let us concentrate to help the seekers with correct information,guidance and analysis, to the extant possible in the limited time available.

I wish we can leave all that happened behind and move on.

Regards

Murthy
 
bandarbabu2000 last decade
Dear Mr.Murthy,

As you say.

With warm regards,

Rajiv
 
rajivprasad last decade
Dear Pankaj,

It seems that your motto in life is 'Everything is fair in love and war'.

My motto is 'There is only Love.It is Love which comes disguised as Hate'.

Anyways.May the divine blessings of Shree Sai Baba be on all of us.

I told a few harsh things to you in anger.You are elder to me and hence I apologise to you for that.I hope you will forgive me.

With warm regards.

Rajiv
 
rajivprasad last decade
I will pray to Baba for everyone.

Loka samastha, sukhino bhavantu !!

Pankaj Varma
 
PANKAJ VARMA last decade
Dear Rajiv

Its so sad to hear that you suffered a lot for all these years. My best wishes for you to get OK as soon as possible.

But please be cautious enough while treating yourself. Self-prescription as Jacob said elsewhere may be hazardous too for chronic cases.
 
maheeru last decade
Rajiv,
Yes..at that time I was in deep anguish...but later I thought >>>>> Why should I be in anguish !! Let others be in anguish...not me !!

Best wishes,
Pankaj Varma
 
PANKAJ VARMA last decade

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