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correction mm=1000m
 
gavinimurthy last decade
Dear Murthy,
Thanks for so detailed reply and clearing up my confusions. But i think we need to talk more and more by taking more examples. Nitric acid example was really good!

Now one more question.
You said Nat mur salt can be taken every day ... do u mean by every one also? So if healthy person takes won't he develop similar symtoms like depression, migrain etc.

Dipika
 
Dipika last decade
I am talking about the ordinary salt we use in our foods.

Not about the 6X tissue salts.
 
gavinimurthy last decade
Yes Murthy...the energy is being generated becoz ...there is an intake of a substance (materia) in fraction of a milligram into the human system!!

How cleverly you evade a topic....because you have no available answer.

'Monkey jump'

Pankaj Varma
 
PANKAJ VARMA last decade
Natrum Mur and common salt.

If you consume 8 to 10 spoons of common salt in the morning on empty stomach..you will 'prove'...Natrum Mur.

I am repeatedly saying ...there has to be research on 'how much quantity of the substance is to be taken in by a healthy individual to achieve proving.'

The quantity will be different for each substance.

Pankaj Varma
 
PANKAJ VARMA last decade
I am talking about 'provings with homeopathic medicines' the very basis for all our materia medica.

I don't know,what others are talking about.
 
gavinimurthy last decade
Murthy..you talk of Hahnemann's Organon being your Bible.

Hahnemann conducted 'proving' experiments with crude form of the drugs (substances).

Pankaj Varma
 
PANKAJ VARMA last decade
That was only in the beginning.Later on he too proved in potencies.

No personal comments please.

One should not throw stones on another sitting in a glass house.

They are more vulnerable for greater damage.
 
gavinimurthy last decade
Below are Dr. Hahnemann's directions:

'For proving a medicine, it must be taken in a perfectly simple, unadulterated form. It must be employed quiet alone, pure, without the admixture of any foreign substance and without taking anything else of medicinal nature the same day.'

No alcohol, no water to dilute it...only 'alone and pure substance without admixture' of any kind.....Mr. Murthy.

It is from your Bible.

Pankaj Varma
 
PANKAJ VARMA last decade
Yes.Pankaj

That is how it was started.

I think I gave you an example by farrington,regarding the way provings are conducted now a days,some where on this thread earlier.

Just go and have a look.
 
gavinimurthy last decade
This is the relavant portion.

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The following resume is collected from nineteen provings made by twelve provers; nine males, three females. The potencies range from the sixth to the 100,000th.

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Why keep on arguing,even when you know you can't win the case? : )

Waste of breath.
 
gavinimurthy last decade
So he did not use Hahnemann's advice....invented his own way !!
 
PANKAJ VARMA last decade
This is what Hahn.said.

Organon

§ 123

Each of these medicines must be taken in a perfectly simple, unadulterated form; the indigenous plants in the form of freshly expressed juice, mixed with a little alcohol to prevent it spoiling; exotic vegetable substances, however, in the form of powder, or tincture prepared with alcohol when they were in the fresh state and afterwards mingled with a certain proportion of water; salts and gums, however, should be dissolved in water just before being taken. If the plant can only be procured in its dry state, and if its powers are naturally weak, in that case there may be used for the experiment an infusion of it, made by cutting the herb into small pieces and pouring boiling water on it, so as to extract its medicinal parts; immediately after its preparation it must be swallowed while still warm, as all expressed vegetable juices and all aqueous infusions of herbs, without the addition of spirit, pass rapidly into fermentation and decomposition, whereby all their medicinal properties are lost.

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See that he is using the alcohol.

From where do you get your references?

Or, do you conveniently edit them, to win an argument?
 
gavinimurthy last decade
You are quoting the reference to taking medicines....NOT PROVINGS...how conveniently you change horses !!
 
PANKAJ VARMA last decade
Waste of time .....
 
PANKAJ VARMA last decade
you are referring to the next postulate no.124 and twisting its meaning to suit your convenience.

what for all these tantrums?
 
gavinimurthy last decade
My Dear Pankaj

Your knoweldge of homeopathy in general, and particularly of its history,development is very poor.

I already told you the reason for switching over to 6c, as the first one for proving.

I again repeat.

Poisions,common food materials,toxic chemicals can't be taken in crude form.

hence all these things are provedfrom 6C onwards.

Try proving Nitric acid in crude forum.!!

You are wasting your time and my time.
 
gavinimurthy last decade
Now you read and understand the context.


§ 120

Therefore medicines, on which depend man’s life and death, disease and health, must be thoroughly and most carefully distinguished from one another, and for this purpose tested by careful, pure experiments on the healthy body for the purpose of ascertaining their powers and real effects, in order to obtain an accurate knowledge of them, and to enable us to avoid any mistake in their employment in diseases, for it is only by correct selection of them that the greatest of all earthly blessings, the health of the body and of the mind, can be rapidly and permanently restored.


§ 121

In proving medicines to ascertain their effects on the healthy body, it must be borne in mind that the strong, heroic substances, as they are termed, are liable even in small doses to produce changes in the health even of robust persons. Those of milder power must be given for these experiments in more considerable quantities; in order to observe the action of the very weakest, however, the subjects of experiment should be persons free from disease, and who are delicate, irritable and sensitive.


§ 122

In these experiments - on which depends the exactitude of the whole medical art, and the weal of all future generations of mankind - no other medicines should be employed except such as are perfectly well known, and of whose purity, genuineness and energy we are thoroughly assured.


§ 123

Each of these medicines must be taken in a perfectly simple, unadulterated form; the indigenous plants in the form of freshly expressed juice, mixed with a little alcohol to prevent it spoiling; exotic vegetable substances, however, in the form of powder, or tincture prepared with alcohol when they were in the fresh state and afterwards mingled with a certain proportion of water; salts and gums, however, should be dissolved in water just before being taken. If the plant can only be procured in its dry state, and if its powers are naturally weak, in that case there may be used for the experiment an infusion of it, made by cutting the herb into small pieces and pouring boiling water on it, so as to extract its medicinal parts; immediately after its preparation it must be swallowed while still warm, as all expressed vegetable juices and all aqueous infusions of herbs, without the addition of spirit, pass rapidly into fermentation and decomposition, whereby all their medicinal properties are lost.


§ 124

For these experiments every medicinal substance must be employed quite alone and perfectly pure, without the admixture of any foreign substance, and without taking anything else of a medicinal nature the same day, nor yet on the subsequent days, nor during all the time we wish to observe the effects of the medicine.

Did you ever read Organon in a consequential manner, from page 1 to the last?

If not, please do so atleast now. You will be wiser.
 
gavinimurthy last decade
hi guys

Hopefully we won't see him again.!!
 
gavinimurthy last decade
Not common salt, garlic , saffron, Hawthorn berry etc etc etc etc etc.

There are many meds like that.

You are confirming what I said....FOR 'EACH SUBSTANCE' THERE IS A DIFFERENT QUANTITIY OF THAT SUBSTANCE THAT WILL CAUSE PROVING.

This quantity is 'unique' to that substance. (the word 'unique' is used here in scientific definition).

See....on your own you are coming back and confirming to what I have been saying.

I have to do 'he he he !!!' now.

Pankaj Varma
 
PANKAJ VARMA last decade
Just like every human being has a 'unique DNA' .
 
PANKAJ VARMA last decade
My dear Pankaj

Your concept of proving and the homeopathic concept of proving seem to be poles apart.

The homeopathic provings are conducted by repeating the same potency continuously ,days together,and the new symptoms are recorded, and a materia medica is born.

You are talking about taking a substance,in sufficient quantities, so as to produce a reaction in the body.

Both have no connection whatsoever.

Forget about it, if you can't understand it.

This thread is basically meant for people with brains.

Your earlier 'he he he' has helped in making this site get rid of a major portion of psudo hoemeopaths.

This round of 'he he he' may bring much more benefit to this forum.

So,keep 'he he he'ing.
 
gavinimurthy last decade
Crataegus......Hawthorn Berry

Allium Sativum....garlic

Natrum Mur.....common salt

Colchicum....Meadow Saffron

(these meds are made from..names of substances given against each)

Many more like that.
 
PANKAJ VARMA last decade
So what.

I too have Boericke.
 
gavinimurthy last decade
Crux of the matter :

Murthy ....stop scaring people that a few extra doses of all homeopathic meds will cause proving.

It can happen with only some meds.....and we are careful that we don't ask people to repeat those meds.

You started a 'Bullet Train to Scare City !'

I said it earlier also.

Pankaj Varma
 
PANKAJ VARMA last decade
This is his concept of proving.

Quote

If you consume 8 to 10 spoons of common salt in the morning on empty stomach..you will 'prove'...Natrum Mur.

Unquote

and this man claims to be a homeopath.!!!

I rest my case here.

i have better things to do,than educating a person of this sort of caliber.
 
gavinimurthy last decade

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