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My dear Pankaj
Suppression can happen from any obnoxious influence, including wrong use of homeopathic medicines.
The allopathic medicines are the biggest culprits,particularly steroids and overdosing with antibiotics.
Life styles too are a reason,no doubt about that.
Homeopathic medicines too are powerful, and can suppress if used indiscriminately.
The combination medicines are the biggest suppressers.
Incidentally, the theory of suppression is not limited to homeopathic medicines.
The same sequence of moving into higher layers of disease is seen with all therapies, prescribed wrongly, including aurveda.
That is the beauty of that theory.
It doesn't distinguish the mode of therapy.Any wrong therapy will suppress, and the disease progression will genrally be on the lines mentioned.
Murthy
Suppression can happen from any obnoxious influence, including wrong use of homeopathic medicines.
The allopathic medicines are the biggest culprits,particularly steroids and overdosing with antibiotics.
Life styles too are a reason,no doubt about that.
Homeopathic medicines too are powerful, and can suppress if used indiscriminately.
The combination medicines are the biggest suppressers.
Incidentally, the theory of suppression is not limited to homeopathic medicines.
The same sequence of moving into higher layers of disease is seen with all therapies, prescribed wrongly, including aurveda.
That is the beauty of that theory.
It doesn't distinguish the mode of therapy.Any wrong therapy will suppress, and the disease progression will genrally be on the lines mentioned.
Murthy
♡ gavinimurthy last decade
This is my opening post in the thread
Theory of suppression
'The least dangerous diseases a living being can have as far as life threat is concerned are the skin problems, like
Eczema,Fungal infections,bacterial infections of skin.
The problems relating to cornea,conjuctiva,lips,palate,ears,sweat glands and parotids are of the same class.
What happens if you suppress them either with homeopathic or allopathic remedies. The skin problem vanishes,but the disease goes deeper.'
Mark the words either with homeopathic or allopathic remedies.
Ofcourse,I should have added the word 'other therapies.'
Murthy
Theory of suppression
'The least dangerous diseases a living being can have as far as life threat is concerned are the skin problems, like
Eczema,Fungal infections,bacterial infections of skin.
The problems relating to cornea,conjuctiva,lips,palate,ears,sweat glands and parotids are of the same class.
What happens if you suppress them either with homeopathic or allopathic remedies. The skin problem vanishes,but the disease goes deeper.'
Mark the words either with homeopathic or allopathic remedies.
Ofcourse,I should have added the word 'other therapies.'
Murthy
♡ gavinimurthy last decade
Dear Pankaj, no matter what his name or fame or whether he's a gold medallist, that's not true homeopathy.
However, it does not answer my original questions.
However, it does not answer my original questions.
ripas last decade
Hello Ripas,
The important thing to note is that present day homeopaths have carried the knowledge and skills of homeopathy forward with their innovations.
They are responsible people and know the 'theory of suppression' as much as others do.
They don't think the disease gets suppressed in the manner of their application of homeopathy. Besides, the cure is faster.
Homeopathy is an art. The practitioner makes 'different strokes with his brush' to achieve a better result.
To say that way the bridges were designed 200 years back , they would continue to be designed the same way in 2006 would be wrong.
Even the basics have changed. The Howrah Bridge in Kolkotta over the Hoogly river is a hanging bridge.....it was constructed many many years back.
Today's bridges stand on pillars embeded into the river bed. Technology has changed. Materials used have changed. Manner of installing the bridge have changed.
Each day brings forward a new experiment....in every walk of life.
That is how the computer got smaller and smaller...until you could fit it into your pocket.
The IBM 360 was a 'huge monster' that needed a whole building to be housed in (in Delhi University in the 1970s). Its technology was totally different from today's computers. The language it used was totally different, the storage medium it used was punched cards....not hard discs or DVDs. Two entirely different technologies.
If new knowledge and new skills are not incorporated into a subject...things become stagnant. Progress is hampered.
Pankaj Varma
The important thing to note is that present day homeopaths have carried the knowledge and skills of homeopathy forward with their innovations.
They are responsible people and know the 'theory of suppression' as much as others do.
They don't think the disease gets suppressed in the manner of their application of homeopathy. Besides, the cure is faster.
Homeopathy is an art. The practitioner makes 'different strokes with his brush' to achieve a better result.
To say that way the bridges were designed 200 years back , they would continue to be designed the same way in 2006 would be wrong.
Even the basics have changed. The Howrah Bridge in Kolkotta over the Hoogly river is a hanging bridge.....it was constructed many many years back.
Today's bridges stand on pillars embeded into the river bed. Technology has changed. Materials used have changed. Manner of installing the bridge have changed.
Each day brings forward a new experiment....in every walk of life.
That is how the computer got smaller and smaller...until you could fit it into your pocket.
The IBM 360 was a 'huge monster' that needed a whole building to be housed in (in Delhi University in the 1970s). Its technology was totally different from today's computers. The language it used was totally different, the storage medium it used was punched cards....not hard discs or DVDs. Two entirely different technologies.
If new knowledge and new skills are not incorporated into a subject...things become stagnant. Progress is hampered.
Pankaj Varma
♡ PANKAJ VARMA last decade
Hanging bridges are still being made, where ships/ large boats have to pass under them.
The basic concepts don't change.
We are telling why the suppression takes place, and how it is recognised.
The days when homopathy was considered art are gone.
Now, it is scince. Very exacting science like mathematics.
If you follow the theory,results are guaranteed.
Murthy
The basic concepts don't change.
We are telling why the suppression takes place, and how it is recognised.
The days when homopathy was considered art are gone.
Now, it is scince. Very exacting science like mathematics.
If you follow the theory,results are guaranteed.
Murthy
♡ gavinimurthy last decade
How many people will agree with Murthy....when he says ...homeopathy is a science ?????????????????????
People of Science call homeopathy equivalent to 'placebo effect'.
If you google...you can find number of sites that are asking for the 'science in homeopathy'...they are calling homeopathy as fiction !!!!!!!
Try answering their comments Mr. Murthy.
Pankaj Varma
People of Science call homeopathy equivalent to 'placebo effect'.
If you google...you can find number of sites that are asking for the 'science in homeopathy'...they are calling homeopathy as fiction !!!!!!!
Try answering their comments Mr. Murthy.
Pankaj Varma
♡ PANKAJ VARMA last decade
Dear Mr. Murthy,
Pl .see this:
http://www.colorado.edu/philosophy/vstenger/Medicine/Homeop.....
The title of their topic is
HOMEOPATHY AND SCIENCE: A CLOSER LOOK
The authors will be most happy to receive your valuable comments to prove that ' homeopathy is a science'.
Pl. don't disappoint them.
Pankaj Varma
Pl .see this:
http://www.colorado.edu/philosophy/vstenger/Medicine/Homeop.....
The title of their topic is
HOMEOPATHY AND SCIENCE: A CLOSER LOOK
The authors will be most happy to receive your valuable comments to prove that ' homeopathy is a science'.
Pl. don't disappoint them.
Pankaj Varma
♡ PANKAJ VARMA last decade
I have decided not to argue, but to discuss.
I will open a seperate thread at my convenience.
Murthy
I will open a seperate thread at my convenience.
Murthy
♡ gavinimurthy last decade
Gentlemen,
I have decided to post my reply to Ripas as I feel that it is pertinent to this thread/
To Ripas
I note that you have made an analogy of Murthy's pronouncements on his version of classical homeopathy with pickpockets robbing customers in my chain of showrooms. To me your analogy seems far fetched as on the one hand pickpockets will operate wherever there is a crowd and they do not have to only operate within the walls of our organization. No amount of notices will reduce their incidence nor will the general public be any more impressed with them.
In Murthy's case we resent the constant irritation that he projects with his inane posts which compel me and others to waste our time away from the main purpose of our being present on the forums which is to help those who post their ailments. You may have noticed that Murthy has not deigned to help patients other than just a handful and the patients who have shown obvious signs of cure like in the case of the Fistula, Eczema, Asthma and so many others whom I and the others are treating which he butts in and warns patients of the dire consequences that according to him, follow if they do not stop their therapy forthwith. He expects me and my patients to await his official sanction and confirmation that the therapy that has already worked is OK and that they can continue to use these remedies. It surprises me to note that he is still permitted on this forum as although I suspected that he was kicked out of his Hpathy forum he does not post on it in the manner that he used to do in the past since he joind it a few years ago.
Remember that we have only read Murthy's rantings about how any remedy when used daily will cause aggravation but this theory I have disproved with my daily use of Arnica 30c in the wet dose. Murthy can treat his own patients and I wish his patients well but the chances of his outdoing me on this forum are remote as I have a certain aura of love and dedication that I project to patients who reciprocate by often addressing their post to me personally, all of which is anathema to Murthy who seems to be badly in need of help for his own mental state as evidenced by his posts on this forum a few days ago which were more in the nature of a raving lunatic and had to be deleted by the moderator.
Has it ever occurred to you that Murthy may be just another hypocrite masquerading under the guise of 'PROTECTING' homeopathy from the onslaughts from persons like me and a few others who have spent many hours of our free time in trying to help those who post on this forum in the hope of a cure ? We have yet to see his prowess in healing which he has admitted today only dates back 4 years. In comparison you may be interested to know that my record dates back from 1968 when I was healed of an ailment by homeopathy and I was at that time a confirmed skeptic who did not believe in Homeopathy as it seemed to me so very illogical. This is what prompted me to study it and the more I studied it the greater was my amazement that this science, although it did not follow the standard logical process of thought, had the uncanny ability to heal in a manner that was almost miraculous. It was a few years later, about 1975 that I first decided to experiment as Murthy himself has done only 4 years ago with using standard remedies which I had obtained from Mumbai to treat myself and my immediate family and when my staff numbering over 500 at that time became aware of the fact that I seemed to have what they felt was a 'magic tough' they all decided to come to me for help. I then continued with my studies and was first introduced into the Classical mode of treatment which I finally debunked as being a mere figment of the imagination of interested parties to keep Homeopathy strictly within the fold of their classical fraternity which I felt then and am convinced today is purely a ruse to generate more and more revenue. I had by this time decided that I would used my own initiative in treating patients whom up to today I have always done on a purely voluntary basis free of all monetary compensation as I felt that the gift that many thought that I had of healing which I seem to have inherited from my forefathers who were historically recorded as being famous Ayurvedic physicians one of whom cured the last King of Kandy of some unknown ailment.
Even today I feel that it is that inherited love of healing that impels me forward in spite of Murthy's vituperative posts directed against me which he has admitted only yesterday that he is doing without any shame at how his whole character has changed for the worse in the past 6 months since he was the normal homeopath who would help patients as I proved with his own posts on the Hpathy forum only yesterday. I felt that my Homeopathy was a gift that I could not use for any gain as I counted on the good God to reward me in His own time. He has done so in a manner that even surprises me as at my age when my close friends of my age group are no more, I still seem to have the zest of a person many years my junior which I have dedicated to healing in my own way which I have proved to be eminently effective.
The presence of my 2 sons in the business which they joined after returning from their post graduate studies one in Music and the other in Economics a few years ago gave me more free time to use to help patients. I added to my stock of remedies and right now I have over 550 remedies in varying potencies which I use in my own way which is the direct 'this for that' way also now known as 'Joepathy' which was first used as a derisive description of my healing methods about which Murthy sometimes dissolves into paroxysms of rage in his efforts to warn patients who have been treated by me successfully as he can see for himself on the threads that he infests. It is pathetic to see how he rages through his post scattering warnings about and doing his utmost to warn my patients. It is ironic that some have just told him rudely to get lost. He still persists in bugging almost every one of my posts and it is interesting that the other homeopaths wait upon his pronouncements with baited breath irrespective of the fact that all his ravings about his own brand of hyper classical homeopathy may be all classifiable as 'bull s**t'. The point that I wish to make here is that none has so far dared to confront Murthy on his pronouncements which so far have been based merely on warnings to the unsuspecting patient when it may be discovered if and when he suggests the classical in his own time, that it may be one that is far removed from the remedy that others like me may have used. We shall have to await his pleasure till such time as he commences to prescribe when it is quite possible that we may be able to pay him back with his own coin and bug his post as he has bugged ours. It is more than possible that his own patients whom he seeks to cure with his classical remedies may turn upon him in disgust when they discover that his prescriptions do not work.
It is interesting to note that his hyper classical knowledge of homeopathy dates back on his own admission to only 4 years back and it is interesting to compare the experience that Pankaj and I have had in this science which in my case I first started to help others in 1975 up to today. Only time will prove whether his scant knowledge of homeopathy which he pretends to know virtually backwards may turn to be another figment of his imagination from which we may ourselves have to save the patients on this forum
My antipathy against classical homeopathy is due to the simple fact that I discovered that no two homeopaths will prescribe the same remedy for an ailment which each will evaluate based on his own studies in the classical stream which I have been spared as I have done my own studies and also have the experience of thousands of cases that I have treated with success. I do not have any hesitation in prescribing the same remedy for another patient who presents with the same ailment as I have invariably discovered that it is by no means essential to find the similimum as the Joepathy method invariably works more positively and quickly. I respect your views but not those of Murthy who has crossed the fine line of decency of what one expects from a fellow human being which does not only encompass Homeopathy. It is just the fact that he is completely without SHAME as he himself admits but he infests this and other forums like the proverbial bull in the china shop, causing so much unnecessary consternation and ill feeling which is the hallmark of those demented.
I do realize that I and a few others who post on this and other forums are marked men but this will not make any difference to me today after over 25 years of actively helping patients with my Joepathy which I am glad to note is slowly catching up in the Indian subcontinent, without any help from me as reported by a qualified homeopath who posted today who confirmed that he and his boss used my direct system.
I am convinced that the image of classical homeopathy will wane slowly but surely as the world wakes up to the subterfuge that has been perpetrated by qualified classical homeopaths who unlike Murthy are still prepared to use the direct system because they have discovered that it works although they do not openly admit the fact as they fear that they will run afoul of their homeopathic license. It is my hope that I will live to see the day that more homeopaths will make bold to admit as Monachand, the homeopath from Ludhiana has done today on this forum, that he and his boss did not discover any negative impact in their use of the homeopathic method on a this for that basis, that I use in common with the large majority of Homeopaths in the Indian subcontinent.
I have decided to post my reply to Ripas as I feel that it is pertinent to this thread/
To Ripas
I note that you have made an analogy of Murthy's pronouncements on his version of classical homeopathy with pickpockets robbing customers in my chain of showrooms. To me your analogy seems far fetched as on the one hand pickpockets will operate wherever there is a crowd and they do not have to only operate within the walls of our organization. No amount of notices will reduce their incidence nor will the general public be any more impressed with them.
In Murthy's case we resent the constant irritation that he projects with his inane posts which compel me and others to waste our time away from the main purpose of our being present on the forums which is to help those who post their ailments. You may have noticed that Murthy has not deigned to help patients other than just a handful and the patients who have shown obvious signs of cure like in the case of the Fistula, Eczema, Asthma and so many others whom I and the others are treating which he butts in and warns patients of the dire consequences that according to him, follow if they do not stop their therapy forthwith. He expects me and my patients to await his official sanction and confirmation that the therapy that has already worked is OK and that they can continue to use these remedies. It surprises me to note that he is still permitted on this forum as although I suspected that he was kicked out of his Hpathy forum he does not post on it in the manner that he used to do in the past since he joind it a few years ago.
Remember that we have only read Murthy's rantings about how any remedy when used daily will cause aggravation but this theory I have disproved with my daily use of Arnica 30c in the wet dose. Murthy can treat his own patients and I wish his patients well but the chances of his outdoing me on this forum are remote as I have a certain aura of love and dedication that I project to patients who reciprocate by often addressing their post to me personally, all of which is anathema to Murthy who seems to be badly in need of help for his own mental state as evidenced by his posts on this forum a few days ago which were more in the nature of a raving lunatic and had to be deleted by the moderator.
Has it ever occurred to you that Murthy may be just another hypocrite masquerading under the guise of 'PROTECTING' homeopathy from the onslaughts from persons like me and a few others who have spent many hours of our free time in trying to help those who post on this forum in the hope of a cure ? We have yet to see his prowess in healing which he has admitted today only dates back 4 years. In comparison you may be interested to know that my record dates back from 1968 when I was healed of an ailment by homeopathy and I was at that time a confirmed skeptic who did not believe in Homeopathy as it seemed to me so very illogical. This is what prompted me to study it and the more I studied it the greater was my amazement that this science, although it did not follow the standard logical process of thought, had the uncanny ability to heal in a manner that was almost miraculous. It was a few years later, about 1975 that I first decided to experiment as Murthy himself has done only 4 years ago with using standard remedies which I had obtained from Mumbai to treat myself and my immediate family and when my staff numbering over 500 at that time became aware of the fact that I seemed to have what they felt was a 'magic tough' they all decided to come to me for help. I then continued with my studies and was first introduced into the Classical mode of treatment which I finally debunked as being a mere figment of the imagination of interested parties to keep Homeopathy strictly within the fold of their classical fraternity which I felt then and am convinced today is purely a ruse to generate more and more revenue. I had by this time decided that I would used my own initiative in treating patients whom up to today I have always done on a purely voluntary basis free of all monetary compensation as I felt that the gift that many thought that I had of healing which I seem to have inherited from my forefathers who were historically recorded as being famous Ayurvedic physicians one of whom cured the last King of Kandy of some unknown ailment.
Even today I feel that it is that inherited love of healing that impels me forward in spite of Murthy's vituperative posts directed against me which he has admitted only yesterday that he is doing without any shame at how his whole character has changed for the worse in the past 6 months since he was the normal homeopath who would help patients as I proved with his own posts on the Hpathy forum only yesterday. I felt that my Homeopathy was a gift that I could not use for any gain as I counted on the good God to reward me in His own time. He has done so in a manner that even surprises me as at my age when my close friends of my age group are no more, I still seem to have the zest of a person many years my junior which I have dedicated to healing in my own way which I have proved to be eminently effective.
The presence of my 2 sons in the business which they joined after returning from their post graduate studies one in Music and the other in Economics a few years ago gave me more free time to use to help patients. I added to my stock of remedies and right now I have over 550 remedies in varying potencies which I use in my own way which is the direct 'this for that' way also now known as 'Joepathy' which was first used as a derisive description of my healing methods about which Murthy sometimes dissolves into paroxysms of rage in his efforts to warn patients who have been treated by me successfully as he can see for himself on the threads that he infests. It is pathetic to see how he rages through his post scattering warnings about and doing his utmost to warn my patients. It is ironic that some have just told him rudely to get lost. He still persists in bugging almost every one of my posts and it is interesting that the other homeopaths wait upon his pronouncements with baited breath irrespective of the fact that all his ravings about his own brand of hyper classical homeopathy may be all classifiable as 'bull s**t'. The point that I wish to make here is that none has so far dared to confront Murthy on his pronouncements which so far have been based merely on warnings to the unsuspecting patient when it may be discovered if and when he suggests the classical in his own time, that it may be one that is far removed from the remedy that others like me may have used. We shall have to await his pleasure till such time as he commences to prescribe when it is quite possible that we may be able to pay him back with his own coin and bug his post as he has bugged ours. It is more than possible that his own patients whom he seeks to cure with his classical remedies may turn upon him in disgust when they discover that his prescriptions do not work.
It is interesting to note that his hyper classical knowledge of homeopathy dates back on his own admission to only 4 years back and it is interesting to compare the experience that Pankaj and I have had in this science which in my case I first started to help others in 1975 up to today. Only time will prove whether his scant knowledge of homeopathy which he pretends to know virtually backwards may turn to be another figment of his imagination from which we may ourselves have to save the patients on this forum
My antipathy against classical homeopathy is due to the simple fact that I discovered that no two homeopaths will prescribe the same remedy for an ailment which each will evaluate based on his own studies in the classical stream which I have been spared as I have done my own studies and also have the experience of thousands of cases that I have treated with success. I do not have any hesitation in prescribing the same remedy for another patient who presents with the same ailment as I have invariably discovered that it is by no means essential to find the similimum as the Joepathy method invariably works more positively and quickly. I respect your views but not those of Murthy who has crossed the fine line of decency of what one expects from a fellow human being which does not only encompass Homeopathy. It is just the fact that he is completely without SHAME as he himself admits but he infests this and other forums like the proverbial bull in the china shop, causing so much unnecessary consternation and ill feeling which is the hallmark of those demented.
I do realize that I and a few others who post on this and other forums are marked men but this will not make any difference to me today after over 25 years of actively helping patients with my Joepathy which I am glad to note is slowly catching up in the Indian subcontinent, without any help from me as reported by a qualified homeopath who posted today who confirmed that he and his boss used my direct system.
I am convinced that the image of classical homeopathy will wane slowly but surely as the world wakes up to the subterfuge that has been perpetrated by qualified classical homeopaths who unlike Murthy are still prepared to use the direct system because they have discovered that it works although they do not openly admit the fact as they fear that they will run afoul of their homeopathic license. It is my hope that I will live to see the day that more homeopaths will make bold to admit as Monachand, the homeopath from Ludhiana has done today on this forum, that he and his boss did not discover any negative impact in their use of the homeopathic method on a this for that basis, that I use in common with the large majority of Homeopaths in the Indian subcontinent.
♡ Joe De Livera last decade
♡ gavinimurthy last decade
The analogy is meant to bring home the fact that if a person or persons feel a need to caution the public at large within a micro environment, it does not make them terrorists.
I am sorry to have to repeat yet again that your lengthy diatribes do not hold water for a very simple reason - you are not practicing homeopathy at all. Forget the terms 'classical' - what we are saying is that:
Homeopathy treats the patient in his entire individuality, not on the basis of one or two symptoms or by trying favored remedies which might not be suitable at all. You are doing what allopaths do, and any results you get are what allopaths get, except, as I've said before, when it happens to be the correct remedy for the person - accidental homeopathy. You do not have the broadness of vision to realize how to evaluate reactions and insist on viewing things from your perspective. 4 or 6 or 10 lazy homeopaths following you will not change homeopathy - it will only mean that they do not practice it.
You copy reams of the same rantings without ever answering the questions that are put forth. You malign whoever questions you or your prescriptions and seem to feel totally justified, but never see the kind of insulting nonsense you write. Proficiency in English does not make your arguments valid.
The whole history and practice of hoemopathy has enough provenance, Joe - your so-called method has none. Intepreting things as you'd like them to be is no proof at all.
It seems to be your stand that you should be allowed to do as you please and are actually a saviour - I am sure that's what you believe. However, those who know a little bit more know also the results of the kind of thing you practice. It is not bogeyman talk - it is a fact.
Why should Murthy be considered any more a hypocrite than you? You are using the name of homeopathy to get a sense of fulfillment that maybe you lack otherwise? If that's harsh, I apologize, but its no more harsh than your comments. I can actually see that you mean well and you choose not to see (BTW, Joe, the 'blind leading the blind is really ironical - since I'd say it applies most to you.)
So what you're saying, basically, is that because you have spent 30? years practicing psuedo homeopathy, it must outweigh Murthy's 4 years. By that measure, REAL homeopathy has existed a couple of centuries, so no question it must outweigh you.
It is easy to debunk what you do not understand - from what I have read, your 'deep study' of homeopathy is very superficial and you only read up what you need to know when you need to know it.
A love for healing or service or 50 other virtues is not going to change the fact that you are not curing as much as palliating and suppressing. Far from wanting dedicated practitioners to stop prescribing, I have repeatedly suggested to you that you improve your knowledge to be of real help, if you want to practice homeopathy -but you are too taken with your self-image to heed anyone. Of course you are free to do so - but then be prepared to have others warn people that they are not under homeopathic treatment when they follow 'this for that'.
And I do congratulate you for your long mails; 'full of sound and fury, signifying nothing'. I find it tiresome - and I don't even type my own.
P.S. I will do the long-suffering readers on this forum a favor and not copy and paste this wherever you have addressed me.
I am sorry to have to repeat yet again that your lengthy diatribes do not hold water for a very simple reason - you are not practicing homeopathy at all. Forget the terms 'classical' - what we are saying is that:
Homeopathy treats the patient in his entire individuality, not on the basis of one or two symptoms or by trying favored remedies which might not be suitable at all. You are doing what allopaths do, and any results you get are what allopaths get, except, as I've said before, when it happens to be the correct remedy for the person - accidental homeopathy. You do not have the broadness of vision to realize how to evaluate reactions and insist on viewing things from your perspective. 4 or 6 or 10 lazy homeopaths following you will not change homeopathy - it will only mean that they do not practice it.
You copy reams of the same rantings without ever answering the questions that are put forth. You malign whoever questions you or your prescriptions and seem to feel totally justified, but never see the kind of insulting nonsense you write. Proficiency in English does not make your arguments valid.
The whole history and practice of hoemopathy has enough provenance, Joe - your so-called method has none. Intepreting things as you'd like them to be is no proof at all.
It seems to be your stand that you should be allowed to do as you please and are actually a saviour - I am sure that's what you believe. However, those who know a little bit more know also the results of the kind of thing you practice. It is not bogeyman talk - it is a fact.
Why should Murthy be considered any more a hypocrite than you? You are using the name of homeopathy to get a sense of fulfillment that maybe you lack otherwise? If that's harsh, I apologize, but its no more harsh than your comments. I can actually see that you mean well and you choose not to see (BTW, Joe, the 'blind leading the blind is really ironical - since I'd say it applies most to you.)
So what you're saying, basically, is that because you have spent 30? years practicing psuedo homeopathy, it must outweigh Murthy's 4 years. By that measure, REAL homeopathy has existed a couple of centuries, so no question it must outweigh you.
It is easy to debunk what you do not understand - from what I have read, your 'deep study' of homeopathy is very superficial and you only read up what you need to know when you need to know it.
A love for healing or service or 50 other virtues is not going to change the fact that you are not curing as much as palliating and suppressing. Far from wanting dedicated practitioners to stop prescribing, I have repeatedly suggested to you that you improve your knowledge to be of real help, if you want to practice homeopathy -but you are too taken with your self-image to heed anyone. Of course you are free to do so - but then be prepared to have others warn people that they are not under homeopathic treatment when they follow 'this for that'.
And I do congratulate you for your long mails; 'full of sound and fury, signifying nothing'. I find it tiresome - and I don't even type my own.
P.S. I will do the long-suffering readers on this forum a favor and not copy and paste this wherever you have addressed me.
ripas last decade
Ripas,
I have already said at one thread that Arnica 6C taken every day works more like an intake of Arnica herb in diluted form. And it helps in many ways becoz the range of action of Arnica is large.
Many people consume Arnica as a herb for long durations. (See herbal sites).
Whatever warnings of the coming of 'doomsday' Murthy had to give ...have been given by him n-number of times.
Let the reader decide for himself / herself.
So lets put this controversy to rest and move forward.
May be, it will be a good idea if you pen down some of your experiences with patients as a homeopath. There will be some learning for others through that.
Pankaj Varma
I have already said at one thread that Arnica 6C taken every day works more like an intake of Arnica herb in diluted form. And it helps in many ways becoz the range of action of Arnica is large.
Many people consume Arnica as a herb for long durations. (See herbal sites).
Whatever warnings of the coming of 'doomsday' Murthy had to give ...have been given by him n-number of times.
Let the reader decide for himself / herself.
So lets put this controversy to rest and move forward.
May be, it will be a good idea if you pen down some of your experiences with patients as a homeopath. There will be some learning for others through that.
Pankaj Varma
♡ PANKAJ VARMA last decade
Dear Pankaj - The question is not whether bridges are being built in the same way - of course there are technological advances and superior materials - but we are not opposing new remedies or methods of preparation of remedies, to continue the comparison. Do the physical and scientific theories that supported the earliest constructions hold today? Of course homeopathy is both science and art. Its grounding is logical and verifiable. What I'm trying to say is that if people insist that in the name of innovation they can ignore the very basics, then please label your prescriptions non-homeopathic, because once you leave behind the principles or feel free to change them in the name of 'curing faster' (palliation) or suppressing, you are not then practicing homeopathy. I am puzzled, because you often seem to follow the homeopathic creed.
ripas last decade
Yes Ripas,
I always said I follow a system of 'Mixed' Homeopathy...not Classical Homeopathy. Only that I take some deviations from the basics...which I have found to be useful and without any harm to the patient.
I also discuss my manner of working with some highly experiencd homeopaths.
If a Combination med works for a patient and he is far away from a homeopath...then I will not hesitate to tell him to take that.
I also use alteration of medicines ...where I find it is necessary. (When one drug picture is super - imposed on another and the two drug pictures are identifiable). (This requires some training).
If there is lack of clarity in symptoms...will give Bellis Perenis...(as advocated by Clarke)..so that the true symptoms showup.
So some deviations...
There are many patients ...who come loaded with allopathic meds. There is no clarity of symptoms there..no harm first alternating with two meds. If some relief can come... why not....instead of the patient not seeing any benefit...bcoz the 'single chosen med did not work'.
People talk of acute and chronic.....unless it is an external injury...to my mind in today's complex world.... the acute is only a manifestation of the chronic. There is such heavy bombardment of the human psyche due to environmental factors!!
A lot can be discussed. Only availability of time limits me.
Best regards,
Pankaj Varma
I always said I follow a system of 'Mixed' Homeopathy...not Classical Homeopathy. Only that I take some deviations from the basics...which I have found to be useful and without any harm to the patient.
I also discuss my manner of working with some highly experiencd homeopaths.
If a Combination med works for a patient and he is far away from a homeopath...then I will not hesitate to tell him to take that.
I also use alteration of medicines ...where I find it is necessary. (When one drug picture is super - imposed on another and the two drug pictures are identifiable). (This requires some training).
If there is lack of clarity in symptoms...will give Bellis Perenis...(as advocated by Clarke)..so that the true symptoms showup.
So some deviations...
There are many patients ...who come loaded with allopathic meds. There is no clarity of symptoms there..no harm first alternating with two meds. If some relief can come... why not....instead of the patient not seeing any benefit...bcoz the 'single chosen med did not work'.
People talk of acute and chronic.....unless it is an external injury...to my mind in today's complex world.... the acute is only a manifestation of the chronic. There is such heavy bombardment of the human psyche due to environmental factors!!
A lot can be discussed. Only availability of time limits me.
Best regards,
Pankaj Varma
♡ PANKAJ VARMA last decade
If the image picture is complex, and no single medicine covers all the symptoms, it is advised to select the medicine that corresponds to the most prominent symptoms that are troubling the patient and start treatment with that.
During follow up,some of the complexity is solved, and a second medicine chosen, again for the 'now' most prominent symptoms.
Like this the complexity can be cleared by a series of medicines, and the patient can be brought to perfect health, provided he has enough vitality left with.
This is all there in the Organon itself.Nothing new.
There is no need for alteration of medicines.
Classical homeopathy has solutions for all possible situations.
People who have not studied all the aspects of classical homeopathy tend to make invalid observations that classical homeopathy doesn't have solutions for certain situations.
Classical homeopathy can't be practiced by lazy people/people who don't have enough time on their hands to read and understand.
It needs a dedicated reading of atleast 4 hours a day,365 days in an year,for at least three years, to have some grasp over it.
The medical school teachings alone(BHMS) won't help.The qualified doctors too have to read continuously,on the aspects of theory,philosophy and posology.
There is no other short cut.
Murthy
During follow up,some of the complexity is solved, and a second medicine chosen, again for the 'now' most prominent symptoms.
Like this the complexity can be cleared by a series of medicines, and the patient can be brought to perfect health, provided he has enough vitality left with.
This is all there in the Organon itself.Nothing new.
There is no need for alteration of medicines.
Classical homeopathy has solutions for all possible situations.
People who have not studied all the aspects of classical homeopathy tend to make invalid observations that classical homeopathy doesn't have solutions for certain situations.
Classical homeopathy can't be practiced by lazy people/people who don't have enough time on their hands to read and understand.
It needs a dedicated reading of atleast 4 hours a day,365 days in an year,for at least three years, to have some grasp over it.
The medical school teachings alone(BHMS) won't help.The qualified doctors too have to read continuously,on the aspects of theory,philosophy and posology.
There is no other short cut.
Murthy
♡ gavinimurthy last decade
Dear Murthy,
You have for once stated a valid point which I agree with and shall copy below:
'Classical homeopathy has solutions for all possible situations.
People who have not studied all the aspects of classical homeopathy tend to make invalid observations that classical homeopathy doesn't have solutions for certain situations.'
I do agree that the classical form of homeopathy as practiced by the masters can be considered as valid for most ailments. It is just that the classical homeopathy that is practiced by those who are the standard graduates from homeopathic colleges that I am convinced, do not get into that category simply because it requires not only the book knowledge that you recommend be imbibed throughout many years of study that you feel matters in the choice of the remedy. The selection of the remedy presumably after the diagnosis has been made correctly, needs to be selected with the aid of Homeopathic software like Radar, which I too use. The average human mind cannot remember the nuances of each remedy however much you have studied and tried to cram the many homeopathic texts that are used in colleges into your brain. This is where Homeopathic software comes into the picture as it is possible with this powerful adjunct for the homeopath to evaluate the many remedies and to match the picture of the ailment to the remedy. It is my considered opinion that without the use of this software, the 'classical' remedy cannot be selected correctly. It is possible that the reason why the majority of homeopaths do not use Radar is because it is relatively expensive at over $1000 for the software alone. The other point is that the use of this software for a case usually takes about an hour and this will mean that only 8 patients can be seen within a homeopaths normal working day. This is I believe the reason why the majority of homeopaths prefer to use the direct system which I have promoted which you have called Joepathy as this is the obvious method to be used to help a patient immediately as the homeopath is fully aware of the remedy that he prescribed which he can judge from the results that he has obtained from its use for similar cases in the past.
You have perhaps not used homeopathic software and I would recommend that you purchase Radar as this is easily the best of the software available today. I purchased my software from B Jain in New Delhi.
You may like to know that it was Dr Luc de Schepper that first introduced me to Radar which has been written in Belgium in which country Luc was born. You will appreciate that if he an acknowledged master in Homeopathy like Luc also uses Radar, it would be futile to think that a classical remedy can be selected from the top of a homeopath's head which he will pretend has been selected by him because he is your definition of a classical homeopath. It is no wonder that this form of prescription results in the poor patient suffering even more as a result of the wrong remedy being prescribed by your classical homeopath.
I can see that you seem to be keen to study the wide gamut of remedies and their interaction on the disease picture and I hope that you will follow my advice and invest in a software package, preferably Radar.
I have often criticized you about your attitude as reflected in your posts which as you know goes from bad to worse in the evenings and you must know the reason why your posts are so different and abusive in the evening in comparison to those you make in the mornings. I have made my own conclusions as to the real reason, and I hope that you have made yours too as unless you take steps to practice what you preach, you will end up a sorry mess very shortly. This does not only involve our frequent exchange of words on the ABC. It can also affect your future life.
Joe
You have for once stated a valid point which I agree with and shall copy below:
'Classical homeopathy has solutions for all possible situations.
People who have not studied all the aspects of classical homeopathy tend to make invalid observations that classical homeopathy doesn't have solutions for certain situations.'
I do agree that the classical form of homeopathy as practiced by the masters can be considered as valid for most ailments. It is just that the classical homeopathy that is practiced by those who are the standard graduates from homeopathic colleges that I am convinced, do not get into that category simply because it requires not only the book knowledge that you recommend be imbibed throughout many years of study that you feel matters in the choice of the remedy. The selection of the remedy presumably after the diagnosis has been made correctly, needs to be selected with the aid of Homeopathic software like Radar, which I too use. The average human mind cannot remember the nuances of each remedy however much you have studied and tried to cram the many homeopathic texts that are used in colleges into your brain. This is where Homeopathic software comes into the picture as it is possible with this powerful adjunct for the homeopath to evaluate the many remedies and to match the picture of the ailment to the remedy. It is my considered opinion that without the use of this software, the 'classical' remedy cannot be selected correctly. It is possible that the reason why the majority of homeopaths do not use Radar is because it is relatively expensive at over $1000 for the software alone. The other point is that the use of this software for a case usually takes about an hour and this will mean that only 8 patients can be seen within a homeopaths normal working day. This is I believe the reason why the majority of homeopaths prefer to use the direct system which I have promoted which you have called Joepathy as this is the obvious method to be used to help a patient immediately as the homeopath is fully aware of the remedy that he prescribed which he can judge from the results that he has obtained from its use for similar cases in the past.
You have perhaps not used homeopathic software and I would recommend that you purchase Radar as this is easily the best of the software available today. I purchased my software from B Jain in New Delhi.
You may like to know that it was Dr Luc de Schepper that first introduced me to Radar which has been written in Belgium in which country Luc was born. You will appreciate that if he an acknowledged master in Homeopathy like Luc also uses Radar, it would be futile to think that a classical remedy can be selected from the top of a homeopath's head which he will pretend has been selected by him because he is your definition of a classical homeopath. It is no wonder that this form of prescription results in the poor patient suffering even more as a result of the wrong remedy being prescribed by your classical homeopath.
I can see that you seem to be keen to study the wide gamut of remedies and their interaction on the disease picture and I hope that you will follow my advice and invest in a software package, preferably Radar.
I have often criticized you about your attitude as reflected in your posts which as you know goes from bad to worse in the evenings and you must know the reason why your posts are so different and abusive in the evening in comparison to those you make in the mornings. I have made my own conclusions as to the real reason, and I hope that you have made yours too as unless you take steps to practice what you preach, you will end up a sorry mess very shortly. This does not only involve our frequent exchange of words on the ABC. It can also affect your future life.
Joe
♡ Joe De Livera last decade
Dear Joe
Thanks for your kind words.
I do have a software Hompath Classic 8, and use it for complicated cases.
It is a good substitute for RADAR. Slightly cheaper.
However, Most of the cases, don't need the help of the software.
The reason why I sound harsh in the evening is perhaps due to the releae of anger in me, which I try to suppress throughout the day, intentionally, which I get reading some of the posts/prescriptions.
I am aware of it, and will try to be calm in the evenings also.
Thanks for the advice.
Murthy
Thanks for your kind words.
I do have a software Hompath Classic 8, and use it for complicated cases.
It is a good substitute for RADAR. Slightly cheaper.
However, Most of the cases, don't need the help of the software.
The reason why I sound harsh in the evening is perhaps due to the releae of anger in me, which I try to suppress throughout the day, intentionally, which I get reading some of the posts/prescriptions.
I am aware of it, and will try to be calm in the evenings also.
Thanks for the advice.
Murthy
♡ gavinimurthy last decade
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